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November 22, 2016 at 7:28 am #59205
znModeratorListen to both Fisher and Goff talk about that.
First what is the Fisher offense? Well I see a lot of repeated misunderstandings about that around the net. BUt what it is, is, a combination of running, ball control passing, AND taking shots. The Rams are always up there in the percentage of shots they take in a game. They’re in the top third of the league at that, and that goes back years now.
What about the other day and that limited 4.3 YPA Goff put up?
Well listen to both Fisher and Goff talk about that…and, they’re right.
(On what prevented the offense from taking more shots down the field)
FISHER: “There was constant pressure. The coverage didn’t allow it. We had some shots. [me: meaning, they had opportunities worked into the gameplan, they just didn’t pull the trigger that game on those.] He (Goff) made a good throw to (WR) Kenny (Britt), and we didn’t come up with the ball. [me: ie, they did take one shot, it just missed.] We would’ve liked to have seen pass interference called on that play, which is a field position change. But, they just kind of sat on things and took the run game away and at the same time pressure us. We’ve got to give Jared more opportunities through play-action, and get the ball down the field.”
FISHER: As we move forward and continue to expand this offense with the goal of scoring points, he’s going to be a big part of it, and we’ll have to push it down the field.” [me: meaning, they can’t have games where they don’t do that.]
FISHER: We don’t take a conservative approach, we had, like I told you guys last week, we put the plan in with Jared, it’s our same stuff. [me: which usually includes downfield shots.] We’re hoping that he does a little better and the guys help him. We just had some issues. [me: meaning, this game execution issues against that defense prevented it.]
FISHER: The offense, right now, knows that they’re not doing what they should be doing.” [me: it’s execution issues you;re seeing, the offense isn’t doing what it is set up to do.]
GOFF: we just hit a lull and started stepping in front of ourselves. Again, it’s not any one person or any one little thing, it’s just a culmination of little things that add up and it seems like it has been a story for a while now, but that’s it. It’s not like we need to do something more, something better, if we do what we do right, we will be fine.”
(On if he would like to take more shots downfield)
GOFF: “Yeah, I think we will. I think that early on it had to do with the weather. I think, honestly, both sides were kind of running the ball, trying keep it on the ground. It was just a little bit wet out there, and early on, that was the reason why and late, we were winning, and we wanted to run the ball and that’s when it got dry and that’s when they had to pass it. But, yeah, I would like to throw some balls down field and I think that will be in the plan every week ” [me: meaning, it will be in the game plan every week because it always is]
GOFF: we’ll do what we do, of course, we had shots on the play and stuff we wanted to do [me: meaning, as Fisher said, it was just circumstances…Rams always set up shots, it’s just that a lot of circumstances in the Miami game meant they ended up not taking those shots]
November 22, 2016 at 7:05 pm #59235— X —ParticipantI’m going to preface this with the qualifier that I’ve seen you ask people to give when they make the following statements. I just don’t like Jeff Fisher (anymore). Now, onto the statements.
I’m aware of what the offense is designed to be, and what it could be if executed properly. It’s been a very long time and none of it has been realized (I know the reasons), and I have very little faith that it suddenly will. Even with Goff as QB.
Why?
Because they draft too many players with high talent ceilings while foregoing the very real need to draft players with fundamental football smarts. Freak athletes are great and all, but not if they never become more than freak athletes (e.g., great football players).
Because the team is always undisciplined. I know there are no correlations between penalties and losses, but I do know that there are correlations between untimely penalties and losses. Too often this team shoots itself in the foot at the most inopportune times. That’s, IMO, a direct reflection of coaching. OR, it goes to point #1 above that these players just aren’t all that smart. Which is a broader problem.
Because this team seems to always play exactly to the level of its competition. That’s why we see such tight games all the time – which is good, but not enough. With the talent level on this team, Fisher shouldn’t get out-coached by all of these ‘new’ coaches with much less experience than he has. Most of the time that these games come down to the closing minutes of the 4th quarter, Fisher’s team finds a way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
Because their draft doesn’t match their philosophy as it relates to offense. Why strive to be a ground-n-pound team who ‘takes shots’ and draft guys like Austin and Goff? Those are guys you’d see Martz pick up. Had they stayed put in the 16 draft, they could have gotten many more guys who fit the mold he’s put in place. I outlined a perfect draft scenario for him too before the draft this April, and it included several players who are now producing in a huge way for other teams. Meanwhile we’re out a #1 overall next year, and have a QB with elite skills (no idea if they’ll be realized) so we can run the ball and set up ‘shots’. It’s bass-ackwards.
Again, even if all of that can be discredited somehow with statements, stats, drive charts, trends, reasons, excuses, etc., it doesn’t matter. This season will mark the 5th year in a row that Fisher’s team couldn’t break through that .500 glass ceiling. It wears on me. I’m worn. So, I’ll reiterate. “I just don’t like Fisher”. Anymore.
You have to be odd, to be number one.
-- Dr SeussNovember 22, 2016 at 7:30 pm #59238
wvParticipantAgain, even if all of that can be discredited somehow with statements, stats, drive charts, trends, reasons, excuses, etc., it doesn’t matter. This season will mark the 5th year in a row that Fisher’s team couldn’t break through that .500 glass ceiling. It wears on me. I’m worn. So, I’ll reiterate. “I just don’t like Fisher”. Anymore.
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The losses have been bad this year. These are not elite teams they are losing to.I think this is Fisher’s worst year as a ram-head-coach.
This is Fisher’s OLine. And they, apparently, are Healthy.
I guess we’ll see how Fisher does in Year SIX. Ah well.
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vNovember 22, 2016 at 8:06 pm #59245znModeratorThing about me is, though, I am not doing “Fisher should stay/go” with every single issue.
To me, it’s just simply true that the Miami game was not the “Fisher offense.” That’s regardless of any other consideration.
For one thing it doesn’t even have to do with whether or not they lost the game. IMO they did not lose because of the offense, they lost the game because of defensive let-downs.
For another thing it’s no argument either way for keeping him or moving on. People can just go, okay, true, that game is not the Fisher offense but…still, I don’t care, let him go. So the details of how/when they throw downfield are just not linked to any larger discussion.
Now if it reaches the point where the sentiment is so overwhelmingly for letting him go, then, there’s no point in posting about narrow, specific issues and saying “yes/no that is/isn’t the Fisher offense.” Because if the sentiment is that overwhelming, things like my post above are just never going to be discussed in their own terms. It will always become “let’s move on,” and discussing the details of their play independent of that big issue just won’t go anywhere.
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November 22, 2016 at 8:22 pm #59248— X —ParticipantThing about me is, though, I am not doing “Fisher should stay/go” with every single issue.
Neither am I. This is my first time. Also, I understood what you were trying to say with the quotes and reinforcing what their philosophy is as it relates to opening up the offense. I’m fully cognizant of that stuff. BUT. How often are we going to listen to his post-game comments telling us the same things all the time? “We had this, but…” or “We had the opportunity, but….” or “We just couldn’t get [XYZ] going….” or “That was a good defense [insert team] has, and we just couldn’t….” Breaking down the break-downs is becoming a futile endeavor.
The losses have been bad this year. These are not elite teams they are losing to.
I think this is Fisher’s worst year as a ram-head-coach.
This is Fisher’s OLine. And they, apparently, are Healthy.
I guess we’ll see how Fisher does in Year SIX. Ah well.
Yeah. That’s the thing. We win some of the games we should lose, and lose most of the games we should win. It goes to what I said about them playing exactly to the level of their competition. They beat Seattle, which is great, but then Seattle goes on to beat everyone else the Rams lose to. It’s almost funny (cuz I chuckled when I typed that).
It’s his O-line.
It’s his run game.
It’s his receivers.
It’s his secondary.
It’s all his (except for Quinn and Saffold).Is what it is though. I’m not all pissed off about it or anything. He’ll probably get extended, and he may even catch lightning in a bottle. But I just think there’s something wrong – some kind of disconnect – between the operations side and the coaching side. I dunno. I can’t even put my finger on it the problem. Other than to say, there’s a problem.
You have to be odd, to be number one.
-- Dr SeussNovember 22, 2016 at 8:42 pm #59250znModeratorHow often are we going to listen to his post-game comments telling us the same things all the time?
Probably as often as they lose.
So the trick is, if they win, we won’t hear it.
November 22, 2016 at 9:30 pm #59256wvParticipantBut I just think there’s something wrong – some kind of disconnect – between the operations side and the coaching side. I dunno. I can’t even put my finger on it the problem. Other than to say, there’s a problem.
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Well I’m tired of this mainstream offense.
Maybe they need an Alt Offense, with an Alt Offensive co-ordinator. (‘Alt-ernator’ ?)Somebody needs to make the Rams Great again.
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vNovember 22, 2016 at 9:59 pm #59259
sanbaggerParticipantI’m not so sure that isn’t his offense. I know Fish would like to have balance and right now the team isn’t balanced, because they can’t run the ball. I think this is kinda chicken and egg thing.
They can’t run the ball because the whole D is within 10 yds of the LOS and they can’t throw the ball deep because everybody is within 10 yds of the LOS and the QB doesn’t have time.
IMO they have running 3 step drops and 5-8 yd routes since Fisher arrived, with the exception of when they were gonna run the spread and that lasted what 4 games and then Fish dumped it.
Look…I like a balanced attack. I think that’s the offense to have because it gives the O flexibility to take what the D is giving…but to do this the QB has to go downfield, and I don’t mean 1 or 2 bombs a game…I mean attack those 11-20 yd throws and Fisher has not shown the willingness to do that.
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