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  • #92635
    TSRF
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    Didn’t watch the game, but I see they had to bench Goff at the end of the game. What a waisted pick!

    #92645
    zn
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    Didn’t watch the game, but I see they had to bench Goff at the end of the game. What a wasted pick

    Slow down there. We should give him a couple more games before we start calling him a bust.

    #92756
    zn
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    #92807
    Agamemnon
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    Agamemnon

    #92812
    InvaderRam
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    he’s had a bit of a mini-slump. looking for him to rebound these next few games. the rams are gonna need it.

    #92813
    zn
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    he’s had a bit of a mini-slump.

    I agree, but, it was nothing like last year’s slump (games 5-7, Seattle, Jax, Aez).

    So even his slumps are better this year.

    #92818
    InvaderRam
    Moderator

    I agree, but, it was nothing like last year’s slump (games 5-7, Seattle, Jax, Aez).

    So even his slumps are better this year.

    no not even close. and last game he still had an efficient game. 127.4 rating and 8.4 ypa.

    last year at this time (week 7) his rating was 90.3. he had a 59.9 completion percentage. 9 tds and 4 ints. 7.7 ypa. and then games 8-15 he just took off.

    i don’t expect a similar jump this year from the first half to the second half. i mean that’d just be crazy right? but shoot. he just keeps getting better and better the more he plays.

    #92819
    Zooey
    Participant

    i don’t expect a similar jump this year from the first half to the second half. i mean that’d just be crazy right? but shoot. he just keeps getting better and better the more he plays.

    If you hate the Rams so much, why don’t you move to Milwaukee?

    #92826
    zn
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    Dougherty: How Jared Goff’s game shares Aaron Rodgers’ traits

    Pete Dougherty, Packers News

    https://static.clubs.nfl.com/image/private/t_editorial_landscape_12_desktop/f_auto/rams/mebhkoz5dny3w5nopwh0.jpg%5B/img%5D
    https://www.therams.com/news/former-cal-qbs-goff-rodgers-will-square-off-for-first-time

    Without prompting, an NFL scout this week was about to offer the name of an NFL quarterback that Jared Goff brought to mind.

    The scout started with several caveats but couldn’t deny seeing a similarity in throwing talent and mechanics with none other than Aaron Rodgers, the Green Bay Packers quarterback Goff will be facing Sunday at the Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum.

    “I know they’re both Cal guys, which is the part that bothers me as much as anything,” the scout said. “’C’mon man, the same school and you’re going to lump them together?’ And comparing anybody to Aaron is unfair to them, especially in their second or third year in the league.

    “(But) just the way (Goff) delivers the ball sometimes. The quickness of the release without setting his feet, combined with the accuracy, I think is pretty special.”

    The Los Angeles Rams drafted Goff over Carson Wentz with the first pick overall in 2016, and after the ’16 season, it looked like they’d botched the pick.

    As a starter in the final seven games of his rookie season Goff was winless and looked horribly overmatched with a 63.6 rating, whereas Wentz, who went No. 2 overall, won the starting job with the Philadelphia Eagles and showed great promise while going 7-9 with a 79.3 rating.

    But two seasons later Goff is the toast of the NFL, whereas Wentz is still getting back to form after the torn ACL that ended his fantastic 2017 season early.

    The Rams are the NFL’s lone undefeated team and rank third in the NFL in scoring (33.6 points). Goff ranks No. 6 in the league in passer rating (112.8), ahead of Wentz (108.1) and Rodgers (100.2).

    Packers’ LB Clay Matthews addresses the media following practice on what it will take for the defense to break Rams’ QB Jared Goff down. Packers News

    The scout knows Goff’s game especially well because his team was looking hard at the quarterbacks at the top of the first round in ’16. He watched 12 college games each of Goff and Wentz.

    To the scout it was clear Wentz was more ready-made for the NFL. Though he’d been the starter for only 1½ seasons in college at a lower-level school (North Dakota), he played in a pro-style offense and had an NFL physique (6-5¼, 237 pounds).

    In a pre-draft interview, Wentz blew away the team’s coaches when quizzed on identifying defensive alignments, protection calls and play changes.

    Goff, on the other hand, had never even huddled in college at Cal. Play calls came from the sidelines after the team had lined up, as did audibles. Goff didn’t even have to identify the Mike linebacker.

    But what jumped out to the scout was Goff’s throwing talent and ability to keep his eyes downfield in the face of an unrelenting pass rush.

    Cal had a bad offensive line, and Goff usually couldn’t step into his throws because of rushers in his face. Yet he got the ball out with a quick, compact delivery and still put it on the money.

    After that rocky rookie year, Goff has become a most promising quarterback the last two seasons playing for the NFL’s prodigal coach, Sean McVay.

    Last year Goff went 11-4 and had a 100.5 rating, and this season he’s gashing defenses with the second-best average per attempt (9.77 yards) and sixth-best completion percentage (69.7 percent).

    McVay has accelerated Goff’s growth by often running a no-huddle offense and helping his quarterback with audibles before the coach-quarterback headset cuts off with 15 seconds left on the play clock.

    Still, comparing any young quarterback’s throwing talent to Rodgers is saying a lot. Rodgers ranks among the great pure passers in league history with his quick delivery and accuracy regardless of whether he sets his feet.

    “There are some similarities from a mechanical standpoint between the two guys,” the scout said. “Aaron does the same thing, very seldom does he step into a throw.

    Everything he does is from the hips. Jared is the same way. It’s almost a flick of the wrist rather than load it up and throw it. Jared is very similar. Watch it and you tell me if I’m full of it.

    There are some similarities there, and none of it has to do with the fact that they went to the same school.”

    In Rodgers’ media session at his locker this week, he didn’t note any similarities with Goff, but he did mention the quality that jumps out most.

    “He’s got some weapons to throw to, but he’s been extremely accurate (throwing),” Rodgers said.

    The biggest difference between the two is athleticism, at least in how they tested at the NFL scouting combine.

    Rodgers is a little shorter (6-feet-2 to Goff’s 6-4) but ran a faster 40 (4.71 to 4.82) and jumped higher (34 1/2 inches to 27 inches). Goff was a little quicker in the three cone (7.17 seconds to Rodgers’ 7.38).

    Rodgers is a more athletic quarterback than scouts thought he was coming out of Cal. His ability to make plays outside the pocket is what separates him from the increasing number of good pocket passers in the league.

    Goff can’t do that as well as Rodgers, but the pocket presence he showed with those undermanned Cal teams has carried over to the NFL.
    https://www.packersnews.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/dougherty/2018/10/24/dougherty-how-jared-goff-game-shares-aaron-rodgers-traits/1753984002/

    Former Cal QBs Goff, Rodgers Will Square Off for First Time

    You likely know that quarterback Jared Goff grew up in the Bay Area. And largely because his parents attended the university, Goff was a big Cal fan.

    The 24-year-old signal-caller noted he was “very young” when now-Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers was tearing up the Pac-10 in Berkeley, but also growing up as a 49ers fan — which, clearly, he’s lost at this point.

    Goff said he remembers not being very happy on Draft Day 2005 when San Francisco took Alex Smith No. 1 overall over Rodgers.

    “He was upset, but with that being said, I’m a fan of Alex as well. But yeah, 10-year-old Jared was very upset when he found out they didn’t take Aaron,” Goff said with a smile on Wednesday.

    Now, Goff will be on the opposite sideline of Rodgers on Sunday afternoon as the Rams take on the Packers.

    “Obviously, his greatness has been documented for years now,” Goff said. “He’s a great player and a guy I watched in college and then moved onto the NFL. I’ve followed his whole career, big fan of his.

    Yeah, there are times where we’re watching him play against the defense and you get stuck on watching him. He’s a great player. I’ve got a lot of respect for him and it’ll be fun to get a chance to go against him.”

    While the two Cal quarterbacks were drafted over a decade apart, Goff said he’s been able to strike up a bit of a relationship with Rodgers over time.

    “I’ve gotten to know him a little bit the past few years,” Goff said. “Just crossed paths on a few different things and he’s been nothing but great to me.”

    Sunday will represent the first time Rodgers has faced another starting Cal quarterback.

    But ironically, when Rodgers faced the Rams in 2009, he was on the opposite sideline of another former Cal signal-caller, Kyle Boller, who came on in relief of an injured Marc Bulger.

    Boller was the Ravens’ No. 19 overall pick back in 2003. Rodgers also came into a game late for Green Bay back in December 2005 when the Packers lost 48-3 to Baltimore.

    But it’s been a long time since two Cal QBs have met in the NFL. And that’s no small feat for the program in Berkeley.

    “Yeah, I’m sure it’ll be exciting. I’m sure they’ll be excited to watch it,” Goff said. “It’s the first time I’ve played against a guy that went to my college. I don’t know for him if that’s the case, but it’ll be cool.

    It’ll be fun and I’m sure they’re excited about it. I’m sure Cal football will post some pictures about it or something and it’ll be fun.”

    #92883
    zn
    Moderator

    Numbers say: Put Rams QB Jared Goff in the MVP race

    Lindsey Thiry

    http://www.espn.com/blog/los-angeles-rams/post/_/id/39179/jared-goff-creeping-into-mvp-discussion

    THOUSAND OAKS, Calif. — When asked if he’d given much thought to this season’s MVP race, Jared Goff chuckled.

    “No,” said the low-key quarterback who has led the Los Angeles Rams to a 7-0 start. “I haven’t.”

    So, as Goff prepares to face two-time MVP Aaron Rodgers and the Green Bay Packers (3-2) on Sunday at the L.A. Memorial Coliseum, we thought about it for him.

    After all, the Rams are the only remaining undefeated team in the NFL, and Goff, in his third season, is leading the league’s top-ranked offense and has ascended the quarterback rankings.

    “He’s clearly taken a huge step,” Packers coach Mike McCarthy said. “He’s coming off a big year last year and it looks like he’s picked up right where he left off. They’re putting up huge numbers offensively and he’s playing very well.”

    Though Goff’s stiffest competition in the MVP race could come from teammate Todd Gurley, who leads the league in rushing yards and has a league-high 14 touchdowns, the MVP has gone to a quarterback in each of the past five seasons.

    Jared Goff for MVP?

    How Jared Goff stacks up with the past five MVPs — all quarterbacks — through seven games:

    YEAR PLAYER REC. CMP.-ATT. COMP.% PASS YDS. YDS./ATT. PASS TD INT TD/INT TOTQBR
    2018 Jared Goff 7-0 152-218 69.7 2130 9.77 14 5 2.8 80.3
    2017 Tom Brady 5-2 174-262 66.4 2208 8.43 15 2 7.5 72
    2016 Matt Ryan 4-3 165-244 67.6 2348 9.62 16 4 4 78
    2015 Cam Newton 7-0 117-216 54.2 1523 7.05 11 8 1.38 46.3
    2014 Aaron Rodgers 5-2 141-211 66.8 1674 7.93 18 1 18 77.5
    2013 Peyton Manning 6-1 207-289 71.6 2565 8.88 25 3 8.33 85

    It’s also gone to a quarterback in 10 of the past 11 seasons. And Goff, 24, the top overall pick in 2016, could be next.

    “He’s extremely accurate, he’s extremely poised,” San Francisco 49ers coach Kyle Shanahan said before Goff dropped 39 points in a lopsided victory over their NFC West rival. “He’s very balanced in the pocket — nothing seems to really get him rattled.”

    Goff’s Total QBR is 79.1 and ranks fourth in the league behind Patrick Mahomes, Drew Brees and Philip Rivers. He ranks fourth in passing yards, with 2,130 behind Matt Ryan, Mahomes and Kirk Cousins.

    “He’s throwing the ball extremely accurate, giving guys a chance to run after the catch,” Rams coach Sean McVay said. “Clearly he’s a very talented thrower of the football that can change his arm angle, but I just think the way that he’s throwing the football consistently with accuracy, giving guys the chance and then obviously the deep ball has been real positive, too, and he’s been able to hit on a handful of those when he’s taken shots down the field.”

    Goff is completing 55 percent of his throws of 20-plus yards downfield, up from 37.7 percent in 2017, according to ESPN Stats & Information.

    Leading his receivers into the open field, as well as allowing them to pick up yards after the catch, has been an emphasis for Goff this season.

    “Reps, reps, reps,” Goff said, when asked how he was able to make the improvement. “Really testing yourself and seeing how far out in front you can put it and how perfect you can be over and over again.”

    Goff has connected on 69.7 percent of this throws, good enough to rank sixth in the league, and he’s second in yards per attempt with 9.77.

    He could stand to gain some ground on his touchdown-to-interception ratio, where he ranks 10th, with 14 TDs and five picks.

    But, according to ESPN Stats & Info, his numbers through seven games are on pace with those of the past five quarterbacks to win MVP: Tom Brady, Ryan, Cam Newton, Rodgers and Peyton Manning.

    Goff’s Total QBR is more than eight points higher than Brady’s was through seven games in his 2017 MVP season. Goff has three more wins than Ryan did at this point in 2016. His completion percentage (69.7) is 15 percent better than Newton’s was in 2015 (54.2). He’s passed for 456 yards more than Rodgers did through seven games in 2014, and as far as comparing Goff to Manning’s MVP performance in 2014, well, that’s one quarterback whom Goff still just doesn’t quite stack up to.

    However, once winless in seven starts as a rookie, and now undefeated through seven in Year 3, Goff is well on his way.

    “He’s playing at a high level,” said Denver Broncos coach Vance Joseph before Goff led the Rams to a 23-20 victory at Mile High. “He’s so accurate; he’s so tall and long. He can see over the rush. He’s not being hit. … He’s playing like an MVP veteran quarterback.”

    This Sunday, when he goes head-to-head against Rodgers, also a first-round pick who starred at the University of California, we’ll see if Goff, too, can be an MVP.

    #92888
    InvaderRam
    Moderator

    If you hate the Rams so much, why don’t you move to Milwaukee?

    haha.

    seriously though. last year his first 7 games compared to his last 8 games. his qb rating jumped 19.1 points. his passing tds jumped by 10. his ypa increased by 0.5 points.

    if he could do that. and do it against guys like rodgers, brees, wilson, mahomes, wentz, stafford… and i know that qbs don’t actually go up against each other. but still. if he can do it against them and win…

    well… that would be interesting.

    #92892
    zn
    Moderator

    Goff year 3 by game 7: 68.7% completions, 14 TDs (2 per game avg., 6.4%), 5 INTs (0.7 per game avg., 2.3%), 9.8 YPA, 112.7 qb rating

    Brady year 3: 62.1% completions, 28 TDs (1.75 per game avg., 4.7%), 14 INTs (0.875 per game avg., 2.3%), 9.8 YPA, 112.7 qb rating 28 TDs (6.4%), 5 INTs (2.3%), 6.3 YPA, 85.7 qb rating

    Brees year 3 (11 games): 57.6% completions, 11 TDs (1 per game avg., 3.1%), 15 INTs (1.36 per game avg., 4.2%), 5.9 YPA, 6.3 YPA, 67.5 qb rating
    Brees year 4 : 65.5% completions, 27 TDs (1.75 per game avg., 6.8%), 7 INTs (0.44 per game avg., 1.8%), 7.9 YPA, 104.8 qb rating

    Aaron Rodgers, year 4 (1st startging): 63.6% completions, 28 TDs (1.75 per game avg., 3.1%), 13 INTs (0.825 per game avg., 2.4%), 7.5 YPA, 93.8 qb rating

    #92980
    InvaderRam
    Moderator

    well. against rodgers he held his own. not lights out. but very efficient.

    first half of the season.

    qb rating – 112.5
    comp % – 67.6%
    yards – 2425
    yards per attempt – 9.6
    touchdowns – 17
    interceptions – 5

    #92991
    zn
    Moderator

    well. against rodgers he held his own. not lights out. but very efficient.

    I think PFF summed up Goff’s game against GB nicely. From this thread: http://theramshuddle.com/topic/reporters-analysts-on-the-gb-game/#post-92989

    Quarterback Jared Goff wasn’t perfect and missed on more throws than usual due to his offensive line struggling to protect him, but he made enough big plays to win the game….The Rams’ offense, despite scoring 27 points (two to a safety), seemed out of sync all game. However, Goff was able to overcome a lackluster first half and delivered big in the second half.

    #93049
    InvaderRam
    Moderator

    Quarterback Jared Goff wasn’t perfect and missed on more throws than usual due to his offensive line struggling to protect him, but he made enough big plays to win the game

    yeah, i like that. he was up and down. but made some really good plays.

    so here is how goff ranks according to various metrics.
    qb rating – 7th
    total qbr – 5th
    football outsiders – 5th
    pff – 5th

    #93169
    zn
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    #93205
    zn
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    #93210
    zn
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    #93218
    TSRF
    Participant

    Really looking forward to Rams-Saints.

    Remember when we were in the NFC West with them and the 49ers and the Falcons?

    Of all our rivals, I hated the Saints the least.

    #93265
    zn
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    #93391
    zn
    Moderator

    Saints game. IMO Goff did his part, granting there was an errant throw or 2…but Brees had some of those too. Overall Goff came through. You don’t come from behind down 21 points to tie in a tough road game if your qb doesn’t come through.

    #93399
    nittany ram
    Moderator

    Saints game. IMO Goff did his part, granting there was an errant throw or 2…but Brees had some of those too. Overall Goff came through. You don’t come from behind down 21 points to tie in a tough road game if your qb doesn’t come through.

    Yeah, if your QB could put up these numbers every week, you’d win 99% of your games.

    Comp/Att 28/40
    Yards 391
    Yards/att 9.8
    TDS 3
    Ints 1
    QBR 82.1
    Rating 115.7

    He threw four bad passes that I remember. Unfortunately half of them came on the drive immediately after the Saints went up by three.

    If the defense had held when they had the Saints pinned deep instead of giving up a 72 yard TD pass, who doesn’t think Goff would have put together a scoring drive to tie/win the game?

    #93425
    zn
    Moderator

    Overall Goff came through.

    To be fair there’s another, more critical view.

    Speed_Kills

    They did just kind of fold there at the end.

    The Rams defense stopped the Saints and forced them into a long FG of 54 yards… the Rams got the ball back down 38-35 with 6 minutes left and proceeded to miss an easy throw to Woods then punt.

    They did not close well at all and its disappointing because up until that point the Rams were moving the ball at will. If you would have told me before that series started that the Rams would not have at least tied that game at 38 I would have said you were crazy but they promptly had their first 3 and out of the afternoon

    Team loss… oh and otherwise Goff was outstanding.

    #93429
    zn
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    #93436
    zn
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    #93455
    Agamemnon
    Moderator

    Agamemnon

    #93460
    InvaderRam
    Moderator

    I saw this live, and let me tell you it was difficulty level 10 out of 10 y’all

    dude makes multiple wow throws every freaking week it seems like.

    #93466
    zn
    Moderator

    from PFF: Ranking all 32 starting NFL quarterbacks after Week 9

    https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-ranking-all-32-starting-nfl-quarterbacks-after-week-9

    3. JARED GOFF, QB, LOS ANGELES RAMS
    2018 OVERALL GRADE: 91.7

    Accuracy percentage: 58.7% (13th)

    Clean-Pocket Grade: 94.9 (2nd)

    Building on a strong sophomore campaign, Goff has taken his game to the next level in Year 2 under Sean McVay. His 94.9 overall grade from a clean pocket ranks second behind Brees, and he shares the big-time throw lead with Mahomes and Seattle’s Russell Wilson at 23.

    #93490
    zn
    Moderator

    aeneas1

    goff has become a top tier nfl qb before our very eyes, and it’s been fun as hell to watch the process, to watch unfold, the guy throws one of the most beautiful balls in the league, has a great release, and can deliver pin-point accurate passes with zip or touch… here are some of his throws from the saints game:

    arguably his best throw of the day, a deep dig to kupp, the vid is intentionally paused during goff’s motion to show where kupp is in his route at the point of release:

    another one of his top throws of the day, just a perfect deep sideline timing route to woods, under pressure, incredible accuracy, goff and woods make it look so easy:

    another beautifully placed ball that kupp, unfortunately, can’t come down with:

    a perfect strike to cooks… aikman went on and on about the route cooks ran on the play, which was nice, but failed to give goff any credit for the perfectly placed ball:

    a dart to higbee with whitworth in goff’s lap:

    td strike to cooks:

    precision td pass to higbee, who can’t hold on:

    comes right back after the higbee drop, avoids pressure and delivers a td pass to brown:

    again, a dart to a surrounded cooks:

    woods:

    great play design, td to kupp:

    tie game!

    #93505
    zn
    Moderator

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