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May 28, 2016 at 10:32 am #44909znModerator
Rob Havenstein is well positioned to break out in 2016
Nick Wagoner
The NFL draft is over. Free agency is over. We are now in the clear, with nothing really big planned until, you know, football actually begins. For the Los Angeles Rams, it’s a chance to come up for air after one of the most eventful offseasons in league history.
Still, the team faces plenty of questions as it trudges toward the summer and waits for training camp to start. That’s what we’re here for in the weekly Twitter mailbag. As always, you can find me on Twitter @nwagoner or shoot me questions at any time using #Ramsmail.
Let’s get to your questions:
Phil Pires @philpires
@nwagoner Which of the young OL players do you think has the best chance at having a breakout year?@nwagoner: Well, the Rams are hoping that the answer to this question is “all of them,” or at least the ones who are projected to start. That would include left tackle Greg Robinson, right tackle Rob Havenstein and left guard Jamon Brown. We discussed the importance of Robinson’s development at length last week, and there’s no doubting that he’s the player the team most needs to take a step forward. But when I think of the word “breakout,” I think of a guy who potentially becomes a Pro Bowl player or better. While I could see Robinson improving, I’m not sure he’s headed for that level. Brown has big-time potential as well, but he also has some growing to do, especially coming off an injury. Which leaves Havenstein, the young lineman on the roster who performed the best in 2016. There were plenty of questions about Havenstein going into last season, but he really settled in nicely as the season went on. He wasn’t dominant but he was solid in all areas, and though he got beat occasionally by the pass rush, he proved resourceful enough to recover and keep from allowing sacks. He’s also sound in the run game, and I would expect that to continue, especially with Todd Gurley entering his first full season healthy. Havenstein probably will never wow anyone like some of the elite athletes who populate the tackle position around the league, but he’s a smart, solid player who should be able to establish himself as one of the better and more consistent right tackles in the league so long as his health cooperates.
Mark Warren @MarkWarren_39
@nwagoner @nwagoner who do you think will produce more sacks this season? Aaron Donald or Robert Quinn?@nwagoner: Tough question. In almost any other circumstance, you’d automatically go with Robert Quinn because he’s the edge rusher out of the two and edge rushers are more prone to rack up big sack totals. But as you know, Aaron Donald is not your ordinary inside pass-rusher. His talent is so immense that he has the ability to push for record-setting sack totals even from the inside. While teams will continue to scheme ways to slow Donald down, it’s much harder to stop an interior pass-rusher because he’s that much closer to the quarterback when the ball is snapped. So your best chance to stop him is to get the ball out quick. That said, I think Quinn’s injury a year ago allowed teams to realize just how disruptive Donald is, and thus Donald will become the primary focus of opposing blocking schemes. Before last year, I think a good argument could be made that Quinn was that focal point. Now, Quinn is returning from back surgery and has something to prove. If he proves healthy, he should get more one-on-one opportunities than he’s had previously because of Donald’s presence. That, combined with Quinn’s desire to re-establish himself as one of the league’s best pass-rushers, should allow him to get back into double digits. The Rams hope this is a close battle in 2016, and I think it will be, but I’ll give the slight edge to a returning Quinn.
May 28, 2016 at 2:06 pm #44916AgamemnonParticipantJamon Brown, cause he hasn’t quite produced up to his hype. Andrew Donnal, cause I think will be a better Renyolds. Isaiah Battle, cause I think he moves better than the other oline. Saffold, cause maybe he is healthy this year. Robinson, cause it is about time. 😉
The others, Barnes, Reynolds, Williams, and Wichmann are OK. Havenstein might turn out to be the leader of the group. Rhaney, I like him least, maybe Wichmann can play center?
May 28, 2016 at 2:42 pm #44917znModeratormaybe Wichmann can play center?
I think they actually have 5 centers at this point.
Barnes, Rhaney, Kush, Folkerts, and (as an OC/G type) Arkin.
Maybe one of the last 3 turns out to be a Barksdale?
They list Folkerts as a guard on the depth chart but when I posted stuff on him way back, he has played at center.
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May 28, 2016 at 4:26 pm #44925InvaderRamModeratormore than any one lineman breaking out. they just gotta keep playing together as a unit.
in 2015. greg robinson’s first year as a full time starting left tackle. tim barnes’ first year as a full time starting center. havenstein’s first year as a full time starting right tackle. so it was good to have at least those three playing together for the entire season.
but guard was just a mess. i’m hoping wichmann can springboard off the end of the season and just grab one of the guard spots. and hopefully brown can grab the other spot and just let them play together as a unit.
also. is this the year quinn and donald dominate as a duo?
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May 28, 2016 at 5:54 pm #44932znModeratormore than any one lineman breaking out. they just gotta keep playing together as a unit.
in 2015. greg robinson’s first year as a full time starting left tackle. tim barnes’ first year as a full time starting center. havenstein’s first year as a full time starting right tackle. so it was good to have at least those three playing together for the entire season.
but guard was just a mess. i’m hoping wichmann can springboard off the end of the season and just grab one of the guard spots. and hopefully brown can grab the other spot and just let them play together as a unit.
also. is this the year quinn and donald dominate as a duo?
Hope so, on the Donald Quinn thing.
At guard…personally, I don’t downplay Reynolds (veteran presence) and I don’t write off Saffold (though maybe some think that’s approaching blind faith). I would like it more if at least one vet started at guard.
They ended the year with 14 linemen. Obviously they won’t carry 14 into the 2016 season.
OT: GR Hav Williams Battle Donnal
OC: Barnes Rhaney Kush
OC/G types: Folkerts Arkin
OG: Saffold Reynolds Brown WichmanIf they keep 10, I assume it would include these 7: GR, Hav, Barnes, Saffold, Reynolds, Brown, Wichman.
That would put 7 in competition for 3 spots: Williams, Battle, Donnal, Rhaney, Kush, Folkerts, Arkin.
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May 29, 2016 at 10:45 am #44941InvaderRamModeratoryou know. it really doesn’t matter to me who is at guard. whether it be reynolds and saffold or reynolds and brown or however many iterations the rams need to find their two starting guards. i just want those 5 on the field playing together for the majority of the season. getting that chemistry working is more important than any one individual breaking out.
May 29, 2016 at 10:51 am #44942InvaderRamModeratorand because of the contract situations i think i’d rather go brown and wichmann. even if they are just a little behind reynolds in individual ability. reynolds is a free agent next season. saffold can’t stay healthy. brown and wichmann are under contract through 2018.
May 29, 2016 at 11:34 am #44945znModeratorgetting that chemistry working is more important than any one individual breaking out.
My own feeling is that the “line continuity/chemistry” days died with free agency and the cap. I posted something once, a study showing that on average, because of the cap and free agency and injuries combined, every NFL line changes more than 3 starters every 2 years. If they do better than that…gravy. Nowadays, I think continuity means you keep the same left tackle for 10 years. So in terms of the 2016 Rams, if the 3 core linemen start and do okay—GR, Barnes, Hav—then to me, it doesn’t matter who the guards are, though I would rather have at least one experienced guy on the field. The best guess I think is that would be Saffold. That would probably put Brown at LOG, with both Wichman behind RS and Reynolds as “the 6th linemen”/depth.
They just won’t have the same line in 2018. That;s not how it works anymore.
May 29, 2016 at 11:44 am #44948InvaderRamModeratordoesn’t necessarily have to be the exact same line. but i would think as little change as possible would be better.
and also at this point i would put development ahead of just putting the best oline out there. unless of course reynolds and saffold are so much better than brown and wichmann that it doesn’t make any sense to just throw them out there.
May 29, 2016 at 1:16 pm #44955AgamemnonParticipantReynolds is a FA next year and Saffold has a cap hit of 6M+ next year, so maybe they are here or maybe not? They can keep the same group together, if they want. This group can be as large as the same 10 offensive linemen they had last year and they can keep all 10 for this year and the next 2 years.
May 29, 2016 at 1:34 pm #44959InvaderRamModeratorReynolds is a FA next year and Saffold has a cap hit of 6M+ next year, so maybe they are here or maybe not? They can keep the same group together, if they want. This group can be as large as the same 10 offensive linemen they had last year and they can keep all 10 for this year and the next 2 years.
that’s comforting to know.
May 29, 2016 at 4:26 pm #44974AgamemnonParticipanthttp://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/page/32for32x160523#NFC%20W
Los Angeles Rams
Left tackle Greg Robinson
There are quite a few choices for the Rams here, but Robinson heads the list. The No. 2 overall pick in 2014 has been a disappointment in his first two seasons, but the Rams were encouraged by how he finished last season. It was always expected that Robinson would need some time to adjust, but the clock is ticking. The Rams will have to make a decision on whether to pick up his fifth-year option after this coming season and, more important, figure out whether they’ll need to invest in another blindside protector for prized rookie QB Jared Goff if Robinson doesn’t perform better. — Nick Wagoner
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