snowman wrote:

wv wrote:

“..it left a stadium saddled with about $144 million in debt and maintenance costs. Taxpayers will now shoulder the remaining payments for the Edward Jones Dome with only the help of revenue from tractor pulls…”

As per usual, the corporate-wheeler-dealers
make the deals, and the People, have to pay
in the end.

In a just system, that there little game would
be Illegal.

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The state and local elected officials have to be either complicit in the poor deal making, or are blind to the real benefits and costs of stadium construction and maintenance. I don’t know the history of the Jones Dome deal other than what I have read here and in a few other articles, but it seems to me that the elected leadership in St. Louis who approved the deal did not do their homework and let the people down.

One explanation that really resonated with me was in an article which described the St. Louis representatives as being “star-struck” when they met up with all the NFL people. The glamour of the whole experience for them overwhelmed their reason, basically, like a 17-year old girl meeting a rock star.

They didn’t do their math. Or any of their other homework. And they agreed to the worst contract ever between a city and a team. That’s it.

I’ll bet they have also had internal discussions about how well Coldplay and Beyonce will mesh together in the halftime show.

There is a possibility, I suppose, that RGIII can get his shit together mentally. That he has been humbled, and now has the proper drive. It’s possible. I have no reason to think he HAS. I am just saying it’s possible. (Though even if he has, there is still the question of whether he can develop into an effective NFL QB)

Manziel is an irredeemable head case. Like Phillips. No cure.

In some measure, I feel pity for him the same way I did for Phillips. I mean, I don’t think head cases WANT to be head cases. They just are. And they are doomed to unhappiness. So, I’m sorry. But I don’t want him to bring his troubles to the Rams.

I think this is a No Brainer.

Of course the Rams fielded the Greatest Team of All-Time.

In what universe is that debatable?

InvaderRam wrote:

well like i said had the rams been staying in st louis i think the approach would have been the same. and there was no intention to lose. shoot. had quinn simply stayed healthy and foles merely been mediocre my guess is the rams would have made the playoffs and the rams still would have moved to los angeles.

Right. Exactly.

InvaderRam wrote:

i don’t buy gordon’s argument that the rams roster building strategy was based around a move to los angeles, but i definitely believe there was a conspiracy to move the rams to los angeles.

goodell knew as far back as when kroenke first bought the hollywood park land and then lied about not knowing kroenke’s intentions for that land. i also believe this knowledge went beyond just kroenke and goodell.

i believe a lot of what happened the past couple years was orchestrated to facilitate the move to los angeles. now does that mean i think it was a slam dunk guarantee? no. but i do believe that st louis, the chargers, and the raiders were lied to. they were handcuffed from the very start.

Certainly Goodell knew Kroenke was developing a stadium proposal on that Hollywood Park land. And so did the entire league. You know, the Carson project was announce a month after Kroenke’s project. They were working on their proposal for a long time before that.

I don’t know how the Chargers and Raiders were lied to.

zn wrote:

Zooey wrote:

I think it was an axe to his knee. The guy is basically the Tin Man. He has no toes anyway (or heart), so the self-sacrifice he is offering is not as great as it might appear on first blush.

You’re getting personal, scarecrow.

This board’s rules are very clear about that. The rules explicitly say, and this is a direct quote, “Scarecrow can’t get personal.”

Well they actually say “Him Scarecrow not can be personal.” But grammar aside, that’s what they say.

Uh, hey, look.

If you have a personal problem with me, you should take it to email.

Thanks,
Zooey

P.S. Pull my finger.

I would rather you sawed your toes off, toe.

joemad wrote:

DeMarco Farr stated that during one of the game’s broadcast this season. 20 points was the magic number…..

Check your math… Rams would be 9-7, potentially 10-6 if you count the Vikings game if the Rams score 20 in regulation.

20 points would’ve resulted in victories in Baltimore, Minny and vs Steelers.

And losses against Seattle, Tampa Bay, and @ Arizona.

So you add 3 victories. And subtract 3 victories.

NERam wrote:

Somewhere I seem to recall reading that the Rams needed 20 points per game to win. That was their magic number.

I just went through the Rams schedule last season.

If the Rams had scored exactly 20 points in every single game last season, they would have ended up with a record of 7-9.

As opposed to their actual record of 7-9.

Dak wrote:

So much has been made about this presentation regarding the Inglewood plan. You’d think that the CEO of Disney could have come up with something equally or more exciting than the Rams’ organization. Looks like the Carson group dropped the ball.

I’ve thought the same thing.

But they really didn’t have material equal to Stan’s. They just didn’t. Carson had a nice stadium, and Stan had an entire development with parks and so forth, the NFL Live stuff.

The thing is that nobody knew it was going to come down to just the projects themselves. Because that’s what it did. Everybody could see Stan’s project was the coolest project ever. But we all thought there was a chance that other factors like Need, and Loyalty, and so on would also weigh in the scales.

Apparently not.

So Disney couldn’t work magic cuz all they had was a stadium.

bnw wrote:

So true. I remember when the ED was to be an indoor stadium and thinking how can anything top this? Watching football outside in St.Louis in December can by very nasty and the 70 degrees inside the dome sold tickets to be sure. Look at the Packers that sell out every year in that stadium in that weather! Can’t convince them they are missing out by not having a top 25% venue BS. Fiscal sanity always depends upon who is paying the freight and in their case it is the season ticket holders.

Exactly. When the Ed (TWA) first opened, is was this glorious stadium.

15 years later, it was a total piece of shit, and always had been. That’s the icing on the cake to me. People write about the dome like it ALWAYS sucked. It is so ridiculous. I mean, you would think the place had splintery wooden benches and outhouses.

I like the Coliseum, too. I always thought Candlestick park was fine, too. I liked the forum.

I can’t think of a stadium/arena I’ve been in where I once thought, “Wow, this needs hundreds of millions of dollars in upgrades.” They have all been perfectly serviceable.

New stadiums are produced by vanity and greed, not necessity. That’s for damn sure.

wv wrote:

Zooey wrote:

wv wrote:

“…it’s fair to wonder how difficult it will be for them to add to their staff with Fisher entering the fifth and final year of his contract.”

Gee thats so obvious
but i never thot of it.

w
v

Yeah, but it depends on the contract they offer Shurmur. Or anyone else. Are they guaranteed money? For how long? Is it tied to Fisher’s deal?

Fisher isn’t going anywhere. In fact, I will be surprised if he isn’t extended before the end of the season.

Really? An extension before the end of the season?
I suppose so, but only if he has a winning record
after ten games or so.

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v

A big part of Fisher’s credentials in Stan’s eyes is that he moved from Houston, to Memphis, to Nashville.

He isn’t going to fire Fisher one year into Los Angeles.