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ZooeyModeratorIf I had my choice, I’d watch most or all of the NFC game, and the 2nd half of the AFC game.
As it is, I will watch the first half of the AFC game, and none of the rest of it.
It is hockey season in my house, and I am taking my son to San Jose tonight for a Kings/Sharks game. Gotta be leaving in about 5 hours.
Love hockey. The cold air flowing off the ice, the echoing crack of sticks, the thunder of checks, and the smell of shark meat.
January 24, 2016 at 12:16 pm in reply to: Can St. Louis Rams PSL Holders Buy L.A. Season Tickets & other StL PSL isssues #37982ZooeyModeratorI like the Coliseum, too. I always thought Candlestick park was fine, too. I liked the forum.
I can’t think of a stadium/arena I’ve been in where I once thought, “Wow, this needs hundreds of millions of dollars in upgrades.” They have all been perfectly serviceable.
New stadiums are produced by vanity and greed, not necessity. That’s for damn sure.
ZooeyModeratorthat makes sense.
Did I read somewhere that you lived in/near St. Louis, but moved to LA 3 years ago? When did you become a Rams fan?
ZooeyModerator“…it’s fair to wonder how difficult it will be for them to add to their staff with Fisher entering the fifth and final year of his contract.”
Gee thats so obvious
but i never thot of it.w
vYeah, but it depends on the contract they offer Shurmur. Or anyone else. Are they guaranteed money? For how long? Is it tied to Fisher’s deal?
Fisher isn’t going anywhere. In fact, I will be surprised if he isn’t extended before the end of the season.
Really? An extension before the end of the season?
I suppose so, but only if he has a winning record
after ten games or so.w
vA big part of Fisher’s credentials in Stan’s eyes is that he moved from Houston, to Memphis, to Nashville.
He isn’t going to fire Fisher one year into Los Angeles.
ZooeyModerator“…it’s fair to wonder how difficult it will be for them to add to their staff with Fisher entering the fifth and final year of his contract.”
Gee thats so obvious
but i never thot of it.w
vYeah, but it depends on the contract they offer Shurmur. Or anyone else. Are they guaranteed money? For how long? Is it tied to Fisher’s deal?
Fisher isn’t going anywhere. In fact, I will be surprised if he isn’t extended before the end of the season.
ZooeyModeratorfrom what i understand with that weird plastic roof they have, you can’t grow the grass on the field while it’s in the stadium. they’d have to have a system to bring the grass in similar to what university of phoenix stadium has where it’s rolled outside the stadium and allowed to grow. of course with the estimated 3 billion in costs for this stadium. that probably isn’t a big deal. i’d want real grass.
That could be. The roof could cut out some of the UV rays or some of that sciencey kind of nutritional nourishment out of the sunshine.
ZooeyModeratorNo long snapper.
Hey, you want to talk about the Rams all-time 1 man roster?
I’ll give you a hint:
He’s a long snapper.
ZooeyModeratordemoff said in the latest interview that they’re mulling it over.
seems hard to bring grass in considering the stadium will be built underground.
It wouldn’t be hard. Below ground level doesn’t make any difference. They would build a substructure with a drainage system and however they are going to irrigate, pour soil over the top of it, and then roll out the grass and let it grow.
ZooeyModeratorthey don’t yet know if they’ll be using turf or grass for the new stadium.
i assumed they were using turf.
I read turf. A long time ago. I suppose they could have changed their minds, but the original concept stated it would be turf.
I would think turf would be preferable for maintenance reasons, but also because it could be rolled out of the way for monster trucks, or whatever.
ZooeyModeratorIf they win…oh, man. 30,000 PSLs owned by St. Louis fans? How much did they cost? A couple of grand each, weren’t they?
It would be something if the St. Louis fans could sell them on ebay, or whatever, at a profit and leave Stan without that particular trainload of money. That would be amusing.
ZooeyModeratorSuing the Rams
http://thesportsquotient.com/nfl/2016/1/21/lawsuit-filed-against-st-louis-rams-over-seat-ownership
The Rams’ move to Los Angeles has not gone over well with fans in St. Louis, exemplified by yet another lawsuit filed against the team. This lawsuit, by former owners of Rams season tickets, claims that seat licenses and season tickets should still be held by fans living in St. Louis. The suit claims that the Rams PSL agreement gave ticket holders “the right to purchase season tickets for the assigned seats for each and every football season through the year 2025,” but did not say the games had to be played in St. Louis.
The suit seeks class-action status for more than 30,000 PSL holders who retained licenses as of the 2015 season. Attorney David Bohm, who represents several PSL holders in the suit, said “It’s our position that the PSL holders should be allowed to either purchase tickets in L.A., or to transfer their PSLs to those who want to purchase season tickets in L.A.”
While most fans in St Louis will probably not travel to L.A. for the Rams home games, the ability to sell the tickets to new buyers is why this case is so important.-
The Rams collected more than 45,000 season ticket deposits in just two days following the team’s announcement of their move.
The Rams plan to play in the L.A. Coliseum until 2019, when a brand new stadium will open in Inglewood.
ZooeyModeratorThere’s an “NFL Campus” at the Kronkatorium.
An nfl campus.
What will they teach there?
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vEthics.
LOL
ZooeyModeratorSee?
We are all counting on the updates because it’s slow around here. There isn’t one damn thing that Rams fans can think of to talk about. And we gotta keep talking. Otherwise there could be an awkward Bro Pause.
ZooeyModeratorPlease keep all of us updated on your continuing email interaction.
It’s a slow time of year.
ZooeyModeratorYeah. Stan was not interested in St. Louis at all. Plan B may have been London. He wasn’t after a new stadium. He was after Something Bigger.
Yes, something bigger. Money, power, ego, etc, etc.
The Usual.And when Georgia/Shaw took the team away from LA,
it was much the same. Mainly money.What did you think of the Costas audio.
He talks about this stuff.w
vI didn’t agree with him on the baseball stuff. I agreed with him on the Rams stuff more or less with the exception that I don’t think St. Louis had no chance. Moving to LA wasn’t a sure thing. The fix was not in. I thought from the first time I saw the scope of the project and heard that he was paying for it privately that there wasn’t much chance it would be turned down, but I think Carson and St. Louis both made legitimate runs that were taken seriously. I’m not at all surprised it fell out the way it did, but it wasn’t a sure thing, so I think Costas overstates all of that. I thought he was good on the inherent nature of violence in football and the way he distinguished it from domestic violence, steroids, corruption of the NCAA and so on. When I heard, though, that Glenn Frey is dead and realized they were going to talk about that, I ejected, because I always loathed the Eagles.
ZooeyModeratorI know of one Rams executive who showed up at the league meetings in Chicago in August (at the time of disturbances over the 1-year anniversary of Ferguson) and greeted a national writer w/the following: “Another day, another riot in St. Louis.”
Hmm, you’ll never see race riots in L.A.!
About this statement: It really gives you a glimpse into the culture of the St. Louis Rams’ organization. And, like any organization, that culture starts with the leader at the top. I’ll be interested in reading the PD’s story on Sunday, but just from JT’s chat here, it sure looks like what happened is that SK decided long ago that he would grow his fortune in L.A., and that everything the Rams’ organization did over the next few years would go toward that goal. Goodell was on board, and obviously knew more about that plan than he said publicly. It really wasn’t that long ago that the organization admitted that it was actively trying to move to L.A. Even after it came to light about the Inglewood site, the NFL and the Rams made comments to try to downplay it. Now, if you’re in the middle of a negotiation that could end up with your team staying in St. Louis, you would leverage that new property acquisition for a better deal in St. Louis. THERE WAS NEVER GOING TO BE A DEAL IN ST. LOUIS FOR STAN KROENKE. He was put all of his chips on L.A., and with Goodell as the dealer, he got the right cards in the end.
Btw, this has been hard, trying to ignore the NFL the past few weeks. The NFL Playoffs was always my favorite sporting event, even with the Rams rarely in it. But, I have to try. I haven’t missed a Super Bowl since I can remember. It will be really weird not having it on in my house. It’s SUPER weird not watching the playoffs. I actually turned on an old episode of Columbo during the Arizona-Green Bay game.
I gotta think that Kroenke started considering LA when Georgia wen into hospice, and got serious when Chip and Lucia acknowledged that they would sell.
And…there is an article at CBS right now that say the Rams have become the 3rd most valuable franchise in the NFL since the announcement. Where were they before? 2nd or 3rd from the bottom?
Yeah. Stan was not interested in St. Louis at all. Plan B may have been London. He wasn’t after a new stadium. He was after Something Bigger.
ZooeyModeratorHappy birthday, RM. And thank you.
ZooeyModeratorJust as I said going back many years. Knowing of the top tier clause almost from its inception I knew in my heart it was in John Shaw’s mind that the Rams were eventually moving back to LA.
I have read this opinion voiced by other posters, too.
It is nonsense. Sure Shaw got St. Louis to put a clause in the lease that was likely to give the Rams an escape, but if Shaw’s plan was for the Rams to return to LA, he’s an idiot. They left LA for TWENTY YEARS! That’s plenty of time for some other team to move to LA, or for the NFL to put an expansion team there. In fact, I would say that nobody would have bet money that LA would still have no team in 2015.
ZooeyModeratorRetail rental was $25 sq. ft in 2013.
And there is 890,000 sq ft of that.
So that’s over $22 million per month.
So Retail + Office + Rams only = > $100,000,000/year. Never mind the housing, casino, theatre, hotels, parking lots, concessions, and merchandising. And local radio rights and whatever. Plus whatever Spanos pays to lease the stadium, as well as other uses of it, plus the advertising and naming rights. TV revenue.
Yeah, he’s going to need a couple dozen CPAs just to count the money.
ZooeyModeratorI can’t even imagine what a complex like that would bring in on a yearly basis.
Anyone?
More than all of us on this board combined will earn in our lifetimes.
There’s a casino. A 300-room hotel. 3,000 residences (mostly single-family and townhouses), a shopping center, and a 6,000 seat theatre.
Oh, and office space. 780,000 sq. feet of office space. The current average rental in LA county is $2.51 per sq. ft. per month for office space. So the office space alone will generate about $2 million each month IF they charge the AVERAGE rate which they probably won’t.
The stadium is supposed to seat 80,000 with another 20,000 in standing room. Let’s go with 80,000 times an average ticket price of $100 times ten home games. That is $80 million in tickets.
ZooeyModeratorThe good news, though, is that the NFL runs a “keeper” league, so the Rams don’t have to draft Gurley again. They already have him.
ZooeyModeratorSeems like it’ll be the Raiders.
Sure looks like Spanos would be better off
in San DiegoRams and Raiders — room-mates.
Gee, i wonder which one will
be the messy one.w
vI don’t know. Maybe. From the $$ point of view – which apparently is all that matters to anybody – it depends on how much of the revenue stream he gets from either facility. I mean…TV and merchandising are socialized, so the money difference comes from other streams of revenue: parking, advertising in the stadium, and so on. I imagine in LA, Spanos will get a bit more in ticket revenue. Hard to say in advertising, but let’s say he will make a tick more in advertising in LA. All the other stuff is in the details of the negotiation with SK. Parking etc. Problem for Spanos is that he doesn’t have a concrete proposal from San Diego to compare to Stan’s offer.
And I don’t know how nice Stan is going to be. Nobody knows what pressure is put on him from the league. As far as we know, they aren’t telling him he has to share revenue from the stadium naming rights, for example. All we know is that they created an incentive for him to make a deal in order for him to open up the money sluices sooner. If he can hold out for that income until February 2017, there is no reason for him to make much of an offer to the Chargers or Raiders. AFAIK, Stan can find the most expensive lease terms in the league, increase it by 50%, and tell them he owns the parking lot, and so they can have their ticket sales and game day advertising revenue. Everything else is his because he’s paying for all of it. That might not be attractive to Spanos. But it may be a much better deal than that. Who knows?
ZooeyModeratorWhile it seems counter intuitive for the Chargers to move in with the Rams knowing that Mark Davis is ready to pounce on their former market, there are also rumors that there is no shortage of investors who are willing to go in with Spanos to split the megatropolis that is the new stadium in LA. They believe that they are going to be printing money, and if that is the case who cares if you have no real fan base? Vinnie B also believes that if Spanos declines, the Raiders absolutely would move to LA. Thus, the Rams will almost certainly be sharing with someone.
The moratorium on beginning their marketing initiatives is kind of a big deal for the Rams, too. We have heard that they will be heavily into promoting the Rams here in Southern California, but none of that can begin until the second team is situated. So while there is a buzz in Southern California about the NFL returning to LA, until they can really start to promote the team there may be a dead period after the initial excitement. By the way, the web site goes online in an hour to put your name on the waitlist for tix. I am going to be the first person on the list! : )
Isiah 58I don’t understand much of what you said there. I agree that the Rams will be sharing that stadium with either the Chargers or Raiders. A tenant seems inevitable.
I don’t understand “there is no shortage of investors who are willing to go in with Spanos to split the megatropolis that is the new stadium in LA.” AFAIK, ownership of the stadium and the surrounds is not on the table. The 2nd team is going to be a tenant, not a landlord. No? The money printing presses are owned by SK and his Hollywood Park partnership – forgotten its name.
Also – the moratorium is on selling PSLs, suites, and naming rights to the stadium – not on marketing. AFAIK. I haven’t seen anything saying they can’t promote the Rams. I mean – they already have with their public press conference and new logo and the ticket sales that you are signing up for this morning.
ZooeyModeratorThere is KABC 790. They used to be the Dodgers flagship a long time ago, and now they are the Kings flagship. They undoubtedly will have sports talk in their lineup.
January 18, 2016 at 11:45 am in reply to: LA Times starts Rams coverage + LA press conferences #37608ZooeyModeratorAlso being widely discussed is the possibility that if the Chargers move in with the Rams the Raiders will then move to San Diego. One problem: Chargers fans HATE the Raiders and I can’t see any of them converting into Raider fans. Charger fans will drive up to Inglewood to cheer on the L.A. Chargers before they will ever support the San Diego Raiders (which doesn’t sound right at all). True, there are a lot of Raider fans in the L.A. area who would drive down to attend games in San Diego, but…really? 95% of San Diego football fans are Charger fans who, I repeat, HATE the Raiders. I can’t imagine how you can have a “home team” that is utterly despised by the “home fans”.
That kind of strikes me as obvious now that he says it. I never thought of that.
ZooeyModeratorHate all of this.
I don’t understand how the Raiders could go to San Diego if the stadium sucks just as much as the oakland stadium, than why would they move there?
Because San Diego is at least moving whereas the city of Oakland is doing nothing. There is a willingness to build a new stadium in San Diego. There is something on the ballot. IIRC, the problem for Spanos was location. He wanted a stadium in the heart of the city, and San Diego is proposing something near where the Padres play which, I gather, is more peripheral to the city. I dunno, though, because all I know about the San Diego situation is what I picked up by reading about the Rams’ situation.
As for the Raiders, they have the worst situation there is in the NFL, and no money of their own to address it. But they don’t have any concrete prospects to consider yet, just generalities. They kind of have to wait until Spanos makes his decision before their choices clarify.
ZooeyModeratorThe networks want an AFC team in LA.
I don’t think it’s an “if” question, but a “when” question.
ZooeyModeratorThis new Konk-adium project. The one
where all the pictures and do-dads
impressed the owners and convinced them
to screw ole Spanos — well, I’ve seen the Pictures.And nowhere do i see a big curved Horn.
Just seems like they coulda incorporated
a big ole Horn,
spinning off the roof or a big ole horn sculpture.
Ya know.If yer gonna spend a hundred billion dollars,
you’d think there’d be a horn.George Lucas woulda had a horn.
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vI believe he left it behind, up the ass of St. Louis.
ZooeyModeratorApparently there is some incentive for Stan by having a second team–with advertisers or some such thing, can’t remember what I read.
It has to do with PSL sales. I forget the details but they’re findable.
From and article in the LA Times by Sam Farmer:
To encourage the Rams to make a deal with a second team, the resolution barred the Rams from selling personal seat licenses, suites or naming rights until February 2017 unless another NFL team joins them before then.
The advantage, of course, of selling PSLs and naming rights immediately is that Stan can write the checks for building the stadium with other people’s money. Without that, he is going to have to get loans or liquidate his own stuff for the first year of construction.
ZooeyModeratorWell, i’m not sure i understand humans.
Why would humans ‘want’ to live in LA ?
The smog? The traffic? The murder rate?
The earth quakes?w
v
“New York is something awful, something monstrous.
I like to walk the streets, lost, but I recognize that New York is the world’s greatest lie. New York is Senegal with machines.”
Federico G LorcaWhat?
No matter where you are in LA, you are within a mile of a drive through burger place, a shopping mall, and a cineplex. And drive time is less than an hour.
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