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    in reply to: Change it (the Washington team name thread) #117549
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    Vincent Bonsignore@VinnyBonsignore
    I’ve been saying this for a while now. The sense I get is, while the @NFL hopes all fans are on board and in support of the socially conscientious decisions the league is making, I also don’t get the sense they are sweating the loss of some “fans” that might result.

    Dan Graziano@DanGrazianoESPN
    NFLPA held a 2-hour call today for player reps. Lots of info re: season plans. Players could face fines for conduct detrimental if they’re found to have spread COVID by engaging in “reckless” behavior away from the facility, such as eating out at restaurants or riding in Ubers.

    Other items from NFLPA call:
    -Meetings, media access likely to be virtual, not in-person.
    -Current proposal is to test every other day in camp, players pushing for daily testing. Public access to testing is a factor.
    -Players will stay in their homes, not team hotels, for camp.

    Sources said there is definitely some sentiment among players of, “Why are we playing at all if it’s this unsafe?” A ton of questions still have to be answered before they feel good about playing. There’s another NFLPA call scheduled for Friday for all players, not just reps.

    Tom Pelissero@TomPelissero
    With the NFLPA still opposed to preseason games, one possible camp schedule the union has discussed:

    3 days: medical/equipment
    21 days: strength & conditioning
    10 days: unpadded practice
    14 days: practice (10 max/8 padded)

    Then it’d be straight into Week 1.

    Worth noting is this scenario as discussed by the NFLPA: Players would be divided into smaller groups initially, e.g. under 15 players for S&C and up to 40 in unpadded practices. That’d buy an extra month or so before all players are together in a higher-exposure setting.

    Albert Breer@AlbertBreer
    Btw, worth mentioning the NFLPA’s recommendation of cancelling preseason game will come with significant lost revenue. Teams will lose the gate, lose out on a lot of local TV money, plus the league’s network routinely posts its highest ratings in August, bc of the games.

    Some more notes from the NFLPA call …

    • Standard for contact tracing = being around someone for 10+ minutes at closer than 6 feet.

    • After players report, COVID cases will be “football injuries”, requiring guys be paid.

    • Handling of loss of revenue is being discussed.

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    Brett Kollmann@BrettKollmann
    This whole team name situation is a great allegory for how stuff gets done in America.

    Millions of normal people constantly pointing out a very clear problem for YEARS that they want addressed? Nothing happens.

    Corporate money threatens to back out? Immediate progress.

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    in reply to: Change it (the Washington team name thread) #117544
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    I thought you were going to rename the team zn. If Dan Snyder came to you and asked you what should he call it, if he had to rename it, what would you rename the Washington pro football team name?

    The Lobbyists.

    Team motto: “we’re in charge.”

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    from Rocketing Covid-19 infections expose Trump’s callous claim pandemic is ‘handled’

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/03/politics/donald-trump-coronavirus-texas-arizona-florida/index.html

    The United States, the world leader in Covid-19 infections and deaths, is reeling from an out-of-control resurgence of the virus that is racking up record numbers of 50,000-plus new infections each day now.
    Texas, Florida and Arizona — Republican-run states that most aggressively embraced Trump’s impatient demands to get the economy open again — are heading into what one expert warned is a viral threat that is approaching “apocalyptic” levels.

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    in reply to: Russia-Bounties #117537
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    in reply to: Change it (the Washington team name thread) #117536
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    in reply to: tweets … 7/1 thru 7/4 #117535
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    Arif Hasan, after curfew Alarm clock@ArifHasanNFL
    Good chance Vikings start 2 UDFA on the DL, along with 1 UDFA safety and 1 UDFA CB in nickel. 1 DL will likely be a 7th-rounder, too. The offense will star a UDFA WR and will likely play a 7th-rounder or UDFA as the 3rd WR (as well as an overachieving fullback)

    Zach Hicks@ZachHicks2
    Colts leading WR in 2019 was a UDFA. Their best secondary player and one of the top slot corners in the NFL was a UDFA. Their Pro Bowl TE was a UDFA.

    I hate when people act like UDFA’s are nothing. Colts have had one make the team for 21 straight years

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    in reply to: Are Dems and Reps really the same? #117533
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    it’s unforgivable that the Dems won’t go all in for it, and worse, that the Republicans are actively trying to kill the entire ACA. That means no more Medicaid expansion. The GOP’s plan would end coverage for tens of millions of vulnerable Americans, which literally means killing a good bit of them, and sending hundreds of thousands into bankruptcy at least.

    You know, if people aren’t willing to sacrifice for the sake of free enterprise–yes even risking their lives for it–then what’s the point? We might as well just be North Korea.

    In other words, well said, I agree with all of that.

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    in reply to: tweets … 7/1 thru 7/4 #117528
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    in reply to: Police & protestors — conflicting images #117524
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    in reply to: Are Dems and Reps really the same? #117523
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    in reply to: Change it (the Washington team name thread) #117518
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    in reply to: The Washington R word. Again. #117514
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    Hey WV, we have another thread on this too: http://theramshuddle.com/topic/change-it/

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    in reply to: Change it (the Washington team name thread) #117506
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    in reply to: Rams & the virus #117505
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    in reply to: Police & protestors — conflicting images #117500
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    from https://www.statista.com/chart/22138/media-source-and-protests/

    An analysis by Ipsos of more than 1,400 protests so far shows that approximately 84 percent have been completely peaceful. … but the type of media a person watches directly correlates with whether they view the protests as violent or peaceful….67 percent of Republicans who primarily watched FOX News… saw the protests as somewhat or mostly violent

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    SOURCES:

    Protesting in the time of COVID-19
    link https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/protesting-in-the-time-of-covid-19-2020070120541

    Will Protests Cause COVID-19 to Skyrocket? North Texas Doctors Weigh In.
    https://www.dallasobserver.com/news/george-floyd-protests-coronavirus-surge-dallas-11923439

    Research Determines Protests Did Not Cause Spike In Coronavirus Cases
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2020/07/01/research-determines-protests-did-not-cause-spike-in-coronavirus-cases/#68cb22907dac

    Black Lives Matter protests did not cause an uptick in covid-19 cases
    https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2020/06/30/black-lives-matter-protests-did-not-cause-an-uptick-in-covid-19-cases

    Experts say bars, not protests, are driving COVID-19 spike
    https://www.fox13news.com/video/734598

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    SOME QUOTATIONS FROM THOSE SOURCES:

    What Minnesota’s Protests Are Revealing About Covid-19 Spread
    <em.After George Floyd’s killing, experts warned that demonstrations could set off new waves of infections. But early testing in Minneapolis tells another story.
    https://www.wired.com/story/what-minnesotas-protests-are-revealing-about-covid-19-spread/

    Dr. Monique Tello, clinical instructor at Harvard Medical School

    we now have data showing that the COVID-19 infection rate among protesters has been remarkably low….A recent study of contact tracing for new infections showed that most transmissions occurred between people interacting indoors for 15 minutes or more. Analysis of 28 COVID-19 “superspreading events” around the globe revealed commonalities: all were indoors, and involved people without masks talking face-to-face, singing, or sharing a meal.

    “For the most part, we’re not going to see a big increase [in cases] because people are wearing masks and they’re being held outside,” said Dr. Eric Bing, professor of global health at Southern Methodist University.

    Dr. Philip Huang, the director of Dallas County Health and Human Services…it’s unlikely the protests alone caused Dallas County’s infections to skyrocket, Huang said.

    , the National Bureau of Economic Research released a study that debunks the notion that the demonstrations would deliver a deluge of cases. Its authors found “no evidence that urban protests reignited COVID-19 case growth” in the 315 U.S. cities they surveyed. In part, this is because protesters were vigilant in wearing masks, the authors state.

    Dr. Joseph Chang, chief medical officer at Parkland Health & Hospital System: ” When two people wear masks standing next to one another, the chance of transmissibility is less than 1%”.

    Protests against systemic racism held in 300-plus U.S. cities following the death of George Floyd did not cause a significant increase in coronavirus infections, according to a team of economists who have published their findings in a 60-page paper released by the National Bureau of Economic Research; these somewhat surprising results are supported by Covid-19 testing data in many populous cities where demonstrations were held.

    Florida does extensive contact tracing to figure out where people who tested positive have been before they got sick. And the state’s health experts are finding a clear pattern — it’s not leading back to the outdoor protests; it’s leading to indoor places where young adults go to hang out and party.

    Of the 3,200 people tested so far at the four popup sites across the metro, 1.8 percent have tested positive for Covid-19, says s Kristen Ehresmann, the Minnesota Department of Health director of infectious disease.. HealthPartners, one of the largest health care providers in Minnesota, also reported to the state that it had tested about 8,500 people who indicated that attendance at a mass gathering was the reason they wanted a test. Among them, 0.99 percent tested positive. These numbers have been one of the few pleasant surprises since the outbreak began, says Ehresmann. “Right now, with the data available to us, it appears there was very little transmission at protest events,” she says.

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