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    from PFF: Ranking the most productive 2020 NFL rookie draft classes 1-32

    https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-most-productive-2020-rookie-draft-classes

    11. Los Angeles Rams

    Why they’re ranked here: Despite the Rams having nine picks in the 2020 draft, their rookies played the fifth-fewest combined snaps among NFL teams. The group logged just over 1,400 total snaps in the regular season. And over half of those snaps played came courtesy of sixth-round safety Jordan Fuller, who generated twice as much PFF WAR as the rest of Los Angeles’ rookie class combined.

    How their top pick fared: Cam Akers, the 52nd overall pick, had his two best games of the season from a grading standpoint in the playoffs. Against Seattle in the wild-card round and Green Bay in the divisional round, Akers earned rushing grades of 72.7 and 88.1, respectively. Including those postseason games, he finished with a 77.6 rushing grade that ranked 22nd out of 60 qualifying running backs. That’s not a bad mark, but he still didn’t generate a significant amount of value for the Rams, especially considering where he was drafted.

    Best value pick: Los Angeles grabbed Ohio State safety Fuller with the 199th pick, and he ended up playing more and better than any of the Rams’ other first-year players. Fuller logged over 700 snaps and ended up finishing as the 16th-most-valuable rookie of the 2020 season, per PFF WAR.

    ROUND/PICK NAME POS COLLEGE
    2/52 Cam Akers RB Florida State
    2/57 Van Jefferson WR Florida
    3/84 Terrell Lewis OLB Alabama
    3/104 Terrell Burgess S Utah
    4/136 Brycen Hopkins TE Purdue
    6/199 Jordan Fuller S Ohio State
    7/234 Clay Johnston ILB Baylor
    7/248 Sam Sloman K Miami (OH)
    7/250 Tremayne Anchrum G Clemson

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    Pete Prisco@PriscoCBS
    Wonder if Matt Stafford can play the run? Didn’t the Packers just run for 188 against the Rams a few weeks ago? I know Donald was hurt, but it was bad. Three players now control $70-million of the cap for the Rams. Star power is good. But roster building a lot harder now.

    I love Stafford as a quarterback. His gunslinger ways will be fun, but there is no doubt that this is a team selling the future for now and the now has a lot of questions as well.

    Adam Schefter@AdamSchefter
    Stafford wanted to be with Sean McVay. He didn’t want WSH, DEN, CAR, etc. Detroit wanted to work with Stafford and accommodate him. McVay had to call owner Stan Kroenke and tell him they had to up their offer. And then it happened. Everyone happy.

    Michael Giardi@MikeGiardi
    Source says that yes, the #Patriots inquired about Matthew Stafford. How far it went beyond that was not made clear to me at this time. At that price, I can’t imagine the Pats stayed in for long.

    Mike Garafolo@MikeGarafolo
    The #Texans have agreed to terms on a deal with Lovie Smith to make him David Culley’s defensive defensive coordinator, source says. Smith is back in the NFL and will be calling the plays for Houston.

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    from Lions hire Anthony Lynn as offensive coordinator: https://www.detroitlions.com/news/lions-hire-anthony-lynn-as-offensive-coordinator

    Allen Park, Mich. – The Detroit Lions announced today that Anthony Lynn has been named the team’s new offensive coordinator. Additional contract terms were not disclosed.

    Lynn comes to the Lions after most recently serving as the head coach of the Los Angeles Chargers for the past four seasons (2017-20). Prior to leading the Chargers coaching staff, Lynn coached for the Buffalo Bills from 2014-16, as the assistant head coach, in addition to coaching the running backs and serving as the team’s offensive coordinator for 14 games in 2016. He concluded the 2016 season as the interim head coach for the Bills. Lynn began his coaching career with Denver Broncos in 2000, after playing running back for the Broncos (1993-1994, 1997-99) and San Francisco 49ers (1995-96).

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    in reply to: tweets (Rams) … 1/31 thru 2/3 #127448
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    in reply to: Aubrey Pleasant gone to Det #127442
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    Have there been any lateral moves or has everyone that left the Rams getting a better job?

    Well, the Rams can block lateral moves.

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    More about this: “2) Matt has never had a defense or a running game”

    Detroit had a top 10 defense once in Stafford’s 12 year career. The Lions finished 11-5 that season.

    The Lions have had a 100 yard rusher 11 times in his career. I can’t find the results for the last 2, but the first 9 times it happened the Lions were 8-1. https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/9iejpr/matthew_stafford_has_had_a_total_of_9_100yard/

    edit: I looked up the other 2 games.

    D’Andre swift got 116 yards against Jacksonville in week 6 this year and Detroit won 34-16.

    And last year, week 4, Kerryon Johnson had 125 yards against KC but KC still won 34-30.

    So 9-2 with a 100 yard rusher, 11-5 with a top 10 defense.

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    in reply to: Stafford is a Ram, Goff is a Lion #127435
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    Peter Schrager@PSchrags
    I’ve spoken to multiple teams this morning who made calls TO the Rams in regards to Goff, too. This wasn’t some throw-in. The Lions wanted him. He had a market. Around NFL, Goff is regarded well. 25, multiple playoff wins, beat Brees and Wilson in their buildings in postseason.

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    in reply to: tweets (Rams) … 1/31 thru 2/3 #127397
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    Bucky Brooks@BuckyBrooks
    Is it fair to say that Sean McVay falls out of love quickly with his stars based on how his track record with Jared Goff and Todd Gurley?? Something to consider… Love ‘em and leave ‘em in LA

    it’s more about the pattern of falling in and out of love with his stars quickly. Much like Jon Gruden has done in the past. It’s something to watch going forward. If his players can’t make the Xs and Os pop like in his mind, he moves on w/o acknowledgment of his own flaws

    Everyone in the league has an ego. I think McVay’s treatment of his stars should be discussed. Like most coaches, he values his system and think it “creates” stars… There’s a fine line, though. Great players make schemes pop. He needs to keep that in mind. #Rams #NFL

    It’s always a slippery slope when the coach accepts the credit for the wins but pins the losses or underachievement on the players. Being anointed as the ultimate offensive guru can lead to a level of arrogance that goes unchecked. McVay toes the line at times.

    Seth Wickersham@SethWickersham
    In the Super Bowl, Jared Goff twice hit Brandin Cooks in the hands in the end zone. One was late and broken up, another was perfect and should have been caught, but both were mere inches from being touchdowns, changing lives and legacies. The line in the NFL is so thin.

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    Dan Orlovsky@danorlovsky7
    The last 6 years of Stafford’s career his team avg 89 yards rushing per game. Last year the
    @RamsNFL avg 126 ypg. He’s had a 100 yard back in a game 11 times in 12 yes. The Rams did that 5X LY.

    Stafford has had a top 10 defense 1 time in 12 season. He went 11-5 that year

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    Dan Orlovsky says Rams got a gem in Matthew Stafford

    SAM FARMER

    https://www.latimes.com/sports/rams/story/2021-01-31/dan-orlovsky-rams-matthew-stafford

    The Rams gave up an arm and a leg to get a franchise quarterback.

    And got the right arm of Matthew Stafford in return.

    Wise move. That’s the opinion of Dan Orlovsky, at least, a retired quarterback who backed up Stafford in Detroit and spent a training camp with the Rams in Sean McVay’s first season.

    Orlovsky, who now works at ESPN, is one of the best up-and-coming analysts in the business, a guy who spent 12 seasons in the NFL, playing for Detroit, Houston, Indianapolis, Tampa Bay and back to Detroit, before finishing with a stint at Rams camp.

    He knows what the Rams are getting in Stafford, for whom they traded quarterback Jared Goff, and three draft picks — two firsts and a third.

    “It’s absolutely perfect for Matthew, going to L.A.,” Orlovsky said Sunday, the morning after the trade. “Matthew should have been in this style of system for many years, it just didn’t happen. He is best when he gets to hold onto the ball for a little bit of time and uses his explosive arm to make incredible, wow throws. He’s a way better athlete than people think on the perimeters, even at his age.

    “Fit-wise, it’s perfect for Matthew. It’s perfect for the Rams.”

    Rams coach Sean McVay led his team to the Super Bowl with Jared Goff as his quarterback, but they failed to recapture the magic of the 2018 season.

    One of the big differences Stafford will notice right away, Orlovsky said, is the Rams have a running game.

    “Matthew in the last six seasons has averaged 89 yards rushing, his team,” he said. “The Rams averaged 126 last year. That’s huge. Matthew’s had a 100-yard back 11 times in 12 seasons. The Rams had a 100-yard back five times last season.

    “Just that alone, you’re going to see life so much easier for a quarterback. It’s absolutely perfect.”

    By Orlovsky’s appraisal, the Rams have a two-year window for their best chance to make a Super Bowl run, and are one move away from becoming the complete package. They need a receiver who can stretch the field, and he sees Detroit receiver Marvin Jones as an ideal fit. Jones, who caught nine touchdown passes in three of the last four seasons, is due to become a free agent this spring.

    “If I were them, I’d go sign Marvin,” Orlovsky said. “I think it makes a ton of sense. Matthew and he have a great relationship. They obviously have a great rapport on the field. I think Marvin Jones would be that person.”

    As first impressions go, the most striking aspect of Stafford is his accuracy and ability to throw all the required passes.

    “The arm is anything you could ever cross your fingers and hope for when it comes to a quarterback’s ability to make throws,” Orlovsky said. “Can you throw the ball 65-plus yards down the field? Absolutely. Can you throw the ball 24 yards on an absolute rope between defenders? Yes. Can you throw the ball up over a defender but get it down before somebody closing comes? Yes. Can you drop it down sidearm and be accurate because you need to? Absolutely. Can you throw on the run? Yes.

    “Everything that you could want is in the right shoulder.”

    But Orlovsky said Stafford was even more impressive as a teammate.

    “One of the best people I’ve ever met. Legit,” he said. “That’s the thing that gets lost with him a lot. He’s an incredible person with this great heart, an absolute savage competitor.

    “I was talking to a coach yesterday who is in on the quarterback market and was asking about him. I said, ‘His greatest quality is he can be two people at once. He knows he’s the guy. He knows he’s The Man. He has this aura about him that 100% knows he’s The Man. And at the same time, he has a great ability to just be a guy. Like just one of the guys.’

    “I think there’s quarterbacks that can get their teammates to walk 90 out of 100 steps on the journey with them. Maybe 95 out of 100. His teammates will walk 100 out of 100 for him.”

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    Lindsey Thiry@LindseyThiry
    So in the last 10 months, Sean McVay has wanted to unload RB Todd Gurley, WR Brandin Cooks and QB Jared Goff in the name of improving the offense, which has played inconsistently since Super Bowl LIII.

    If the offense doesn’t improve in 2021, is that *now* on Sean McVay

    BrettKollmann@BrettKollmann
    If you guys thought I talked too much about Robert Woods as it is, just wait until you see him with Stafford throwing the ball.

    I’m going to be OBNOXIOUS about him next season.

    Peter Schrager@PSchrags
    Spoke to McVay this AM.

    He and Stafford have been friendly for some time now, due to an unlikely connection.

    Buffalo WR coach Chad Hall and McVay were great competitors/friends and QBs at rival high schools in ATL.

    Chad’s sister…Kelly…is, naturally, Matt Stafford’s wife.

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    Their mistake was extending Goff two years ago when they likely figured he would continue progressing. Well, he didn’t continue progressing. The next question is what to do with that sunk cost.

    I seldom agree with those arguments. Goff had 4 bad games in 2020. If you go back to 2010 and looked at Stafford in his 5th year, he had 4 bad games too (using this measurement: in 2010 a qb rating of under 70 = a bad game).

    So did Goff stop progressing or did some people just get unrealistic about qb progress?

    I think McVay lost patience with Goff because it’s McVay’s nature to lose patience, not because of anything inherent to Goff.

    But none of this makes me anti-Stafford. Now that he’s a Ram I will be curious to see him play.

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    Los Angeles Rams UK@LARams_UK
    Matthew Stafford has had a 100-yard rusher on his team in 11 games in his career.

    HIS CAREER.

    He has started 166 games.

    He is going to love Cam Akers.

    Vincent Bonsignore@VinnyBonsignore
    The @Rams are the NFC favorites next year.

    Ed Werder@WerderEdESPN
    Matthew Stafford leaves a #Lions team with the worst-ranked defense in the NFL for a #Rams team that finished first in fewest points and yards allowed.
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    But in the end I guess I trust McVay to know what he needs to make his offense perform the way he wants it to.

    But that might also mean we CAN’T trust McVay to make the most of the talent he does have instead of shoving players into square holes.

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    Rodrigue: By trading Jared Goff for Matthew Stafford, Rams send clear messages

    https://theathletic.com/2356069/2021/01/31/rams-goff-stafford-trade-lions/

    There are a few ways to look at the Rams’ blockbuster trade for Lions quarterback Matthew Stafford, which will send Jared Goff, first-round draft picks in 2022 and 2023 and a third-round pick this year to Detroit. And they aren’t mutually exclusive.

    Multiple sources confirmed to The Athletic the details of the trade, which was agreed to Saturday but cannot be made official until the start of the 2021 league year in March.

    No. 1: The Rams are going all-in for a Super Bowl championship while they still have Aaron Donald, Jalen Ramsey, Robert Woods and Cooper Kupp under contract. Each of those core players is in his late 20s, and each is under contract through at least 2024. Also, left tackle Andrew Whitworth, 39, is expected to return next season but his future is uncertain after that.

    Stafford has two years and $43 million remaining on his contract, which the Rams will inherit from the Lions, but people with knowledge of the Rams’ process believe that the salary-cap-strained team will look to add at least a one-year extension, because that would better distribute the money. That also would align Stafford with those other core players through at least the 2023 season, when he would be 35 years old.

    Over the last two weeks, head coach Sean McVay and general manager Les Snead were intentionally vague about Goff’s future. Those comments included a reiteration of their desire to improve at quarterback. In doing so, the Rams broadcast to the world — and especially other teams — that they were entering the quarterback market. Meanwhile, behind the scenes, the Rams made it clear that nothing was off the table, and they held exploratory trade talks about Goff with multiple teams with that idea in mind.

    No. 2: The Rams did not feel that Goff could get them any closer to a Super Bowl than what they achieved this year: a 10-6 record and a loss in the divisional round. And they felt it was better for their long-term future to essentially pay the Lions — via first-round picks — to make Goff and his contract go away.

    No, the Rams won’t pick in the first round again until 2024 (unless they trade back in before that). And, because of the way the Rams’ personnel people structured Goff’s four-year, $134 million contract extension in 2019, the Rams will carry approximately $22 million in dead-cap money in 2021, plus another $8 million because they cut running back Todd Gurley last year. Goff’s contract will put four years and $106 million on the Lions’ books.

    A league source told The Athletic on Saturday night that the Lions had as many as eight offers for Stafford, and each had a first-round pick included. Yet, the source said, the Rams’ offer, which included Goff, an extra first-round pick and an immediate third-round pick, “blew the others out of the water.” And the additional first-round pick sweetened it and made taking on the rest of Goff’s deal more palatable.

    Trading first-round picks already was a roster-building model the Rams had leaned into. In 2016, when they drafted Goff No. 1 overall, the Rams swapped first-round picks with Tennessee and also gave the Titans their 2017 first-rounder. The Rams’ 2018 first-rounder went to New England for Brandin Cooks. Their 2019 first-rounder went to Atlanta in a pick swap. Then, in Oct. 2019, the Rams sent their 2020 and 2021 first-rounders to Jacksonville for Jalen Ramsey.

    The Rams believe that they’ll win enough over the next couple of years to place them in the lower part of the first round of the draft, and they also don’t see much difference between the long-term development of late-first-round players compared to upper-to-middle second-round players. So, the Rams think it can be more beneficial to trade first-round picks for impact players like Ramsey, and now Stafford, and then depend on second-to-fourth-round picks to develop into starting roles and plug roster holes.

    Trying that model again, this time by trading Goff, was worth it for the Rams. Led by McVay, whose opinion is priority No. 1, the Rams grew increasingly sure during the 2020 season that they needed to make a change at quarterback, and quickly.

    There is a lot of gray area in any such transition. After all, Goff, whom the Rams drafted a year before McVay was hired — and who got a contract extension after just three seasons — helped lead the team to the Super Bowl two years ago.

    But in 2019 and 2020, there was a growing sense, according to people within the organization, that as defenses began to “solve” McVay’s widely acclaimed offensive system and he began to counter-adjust, that Goff was falling behind.

    The Rams had the NFL’s No. 1 defense in 2020, but finished 18th in scoring and had the ninth-most inconsistent offense in the league according to the Football Outsiders variance metric. That inconsistency needled at McVay, and the Rams’ inability to put the pieces together on offense was a point of stress throughout the year.

    McVay especially became frustrated with Goff’s turnovers — 38 in his last 31 regular-season games, the most in the NFL during that span — and even issued public criticism of Goff for the first time after the Rams lost to San Francisco in Week 12.

    “Our quarterback has to take better care of the football,” McVay all but spat.

    McVay’s decision to speak critically in public about Goff for the first time wasn’t just a sign of things to come, but also seemed to serve as a message to his locker room, where some frustration rippled during the latter half of the season — the message being that an underperforming player would not be coddled, regardless of that player’s status.

    There was also some belief that part of McVay’s frustration stemmed from the fact that the changes he made to the offense this season, which were supposed to ease Goff’s discomfort when facing pressure and help him progress into higher-probability plays, simply did not take. The turnovers persisted, even though Goff totaled a career-low in air-yards per attempt as the offense opted toward those shorter, lower-risk concepts. The Rams also lacked a true “deep threat” receiver who could have stretched the field, but that was by design, because they were moving toward those shorter pass concepts and catch-and-run plays.

    “That’s not the world I want to live in,” McVay said, tellingly, during his exit interview in mid-January, of the Rams’ reliance on those higher-probability plays. “I think you have to create explosives. We have to create more.”

    As the Rams prepared for the playoffs, reports of internal tension between McVay and Goff surfaced. Part of that had already bubbled to the surface when Goff bluntly remarked that he was not thrilled about McVay’s decision to start John Wolford in the wild-card round game vs. Seattle. Goff felt his surgically repaired thumb was functional enough to play, and he and McVay said that they had decided to agree to disagree on the situation and try to move forward.

    A little over a week later, after the Rams lost to the Packers in the divisional round, NFL Network’s Steve Wyche reported that, according to a source, the McVay and Goff “marriage” was in need of some “counseling.”

    And that made McVay’s excitement about Wolford, who started in place of the injured Goff in Week 17 and vs. Seattle, feel downright predictive of Saturday night’s trade.

    It wasn’t about the scoreboard or stat sheet with Wolford (the Rams scored only 18 points against a porous Arizona defense). It seemed to be more about the way Wolford moved the ball, and moved in and out of the pocket, that re-affirmed the direction in which McVay already had begun to lean.

    It’s as though Wolford showed McVay what was possible with a quarterback with a different skill set, in accordance with McVay’s personal expectations.

    McVay appreciated Wolford’s processing speed and how, even when his pocket broke down, Wolford was able to move and reset his launch point. The Rams could run more of the longer-developing plays (which were absent from a Goff-led offense this year) with Wolford or a similarly mobile quarterback, one who could move away from the pressure without having the play fully break down in the process.

    Defenses have successfully pressured Goff with four players — creating less favorable offensive situations downfield — but Wolford’s ability to move demanded more attention with extra rushers. Free rushers couldn’t cover the bootlegs the Rams love to use, because Wolford got into them faster and moved them away from that pressure when needed. Against the Cardinals, whose defensive game plan dared Wolford to throw in an effort to contain the Rams’ run game, McVay appreciated how his entire offense and the quarterback weren’t dependent on successfully running the ball.

    Those also are qualities Stafford possesses, and the Rams hope to utilize them over the next two to three seasons, with Wolford’s small sample size serving as a piece of the blueprint.

    The Rams are going all-in on that blueprint, and all-in on this window, by pivoting from the quarterback they drafted No. 1 just five years ago.

    What a stunning sentence that is. What a stunning timeline, one that escalated slowly over the last two years, then quickly over the last two months, and then drew to a head when the details of the trade were agreed to in principle on Saturday at 7 p.m. Pacific, a source said. The results of it will be parsed for years.

    Including this one:

    No. 3: The hottest debate among Rams fans and pundits over the last two years began with the question: Is Goff holding McVay back?

    Really, the only thing that mattered at the end of the day was whether McVay believed that the answer was “yes.” And, it seems, he did.

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    from 2020 Quarterback Tiers: 50 coaches and evaluators rank the NFL starters

    Mike Sando Jul 27, 2020

    https://theathletic.com/1945894/2020/07/27/2020-quarterback-tiers-50-coaches-and-evaluators-rank-the-nfl-starters/

    TIER 2

    A Tier 2 quarterback can carry his team sometimes but not as consistently. He can handle pure passing situations in doses and/or possesses other dimensions that are special enough to elevate him above Tier 3. He has a hole or two in his game.

    Tier 1 votes: 5 | Tier 2 votes: 38 | Tier 3 votes: 7 | 2019 Tier: 2

    Stafford has played 11 seasons, owns no playoff victories, is coming off a broken back at age 32 and actually ranks two spots higher than he did last year, with a higher average tier vote. Voters liked what they saw from him last season.

    “Two at the minimum,” an exec with NFC North ties said. “He was trending to a one this past year before he got hurt. If that joker was healthy, he would have been a one this year. I think he’s doing better and fits better within the scheme (under coordinator Darrell Bevell).”

    Stafford set career single-season highs last season for yards per attempt (8.6), EPA per attempt (0.26), passer rating (106.0) and Total QBR (69.6). The Lions still went only 3-4-1 in his starts.

    “Why he hasn’t won more, I always try to put my finger on that,” a coach with extensive experience against Stafford said. “We always talk about the culture. Pat Mahomes comes into the league and sits behind Alex Smith, and you have Andy Reid there. If you put Matt Stafford in that situation his rookie year and he gets to see, ‘OK, this is a Hall of Fame head coach, a quarterback that has been around the league that I can learn from and see his habits.’ I don’t know if Matt Stafford has ever been exposed to what it’s supposed to look like.”

    This coach and four other voters placed Stafford in the top tier. Seven others showed their exasperation with the quarterback’s failure to drive team success by placing him in the third tier, despite his obvious talent.

    “He is the opposite of Watson,” an evaluator who placed Stafford in the third tier said. “Same kind of thing with Derek Carr. Big, strong arm, a couple ‘wow’ passes here and there, but you’re not a consistent winner and your errors sometimes lose the game.”

    Multiple coaches and execs from teams that have faced Stafford frequently said they fear facing him regardless.

    “If you landed him in Pittsburgh or San Francisco, you’d see a winner,” a defensive coordinator said. “He is going down that Carson Palmer road. Carson never really won until he got late in his career, either. Carson could always throw the ball. He was a first-round pick. He got to Arizona and he made some things happen. Never quite won the big one, but he was still a damn good quarterback.”

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