Stafford is a Ram, Goff is a Lion

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  • #127313
    canadaram
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    #127314
    PA Ram
    Participant

    This is nuts!

    The Rams do not value #1 picks, obviously.

    I would not have done this. I wonder what the cap implications are.

    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick

    #127315
    joemad
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    That’s a ridiculous trade.

    #127316
    wv
    Participant

    Holy Shit.

    Geez, I like Stafford but not for two no1 picks.

    Omg.

    #127317
    InvaderRam
    Moderator

    sigh.

    #127318
    canadaram
    Participant

    The last time the Rams used a number one pick to draft a player was when they picked Goff.

    If they weren’t already, I’m guessing that the Niners make a push for Watson now.

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    #127319
    canadaram
    Participant

    Although, I guess the trade market has been set now. Will the Niners, or any other team be as insane as the Rams?

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    #127324
    wv
    Participant

    So i read that McVay just fell in love
    with Stafford at some point.

    Plus the cap hit over the next two years
    is much less with Stafford.

    I dunno. I’m startin to like it.

    Feel bad for Jared though. The Lions. Man.

    #127325
    Agamemnon
    Moderator

    McVay really wanted to get rid of Goff, didn’t he?

    Agamemnon

    #127326
    InvaderRam
    Moderator

    so what happens cap-wise?

    #127327
    wv
    Participant

    #127328
    wv
    Participant

    #127329
    Hram
    Participant

    Fascinating

    (Raises eyebrow)

    #127330
    wv
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    #127332
    wv
    Participant

    #127333
    zn
    Moderator

    Chris Burke@ChrisBurkeNFL
    Per league source, the Lions had seven or eight teams in the bidding, all with first-round picks on the table. They viewed the Rams’ offer as far and away the best one.

    Jourdan Rodrigue@JourdanRodrigue
    By trading for Matthew Stafford, the Rams are currently without a first-round pick thru 2023. Since the blockbuster Jalen Ramsey trade, they have leaned all the way in on bringing core starters in via trade, then drafting and developing in rds 2-6 to fill out starting roster.

    The impression that I have gotten is that because the Rams believe they will stay competitive enough to be drafting late-first yr/yr, they don’t see that pick as more valuable than a proven starter (Ramsey, Stafford). And, they don’t see a ton of difference between low-1, high-2.

    Jeremy Fowler@JFowlerESPN
    What I know after reporting Stafford-Rams out the last few days:

    Stafford wanted this, the chance to maximize talent with McVay

    Rams determined but knew Goff’s deal was only major hurdle.

    Goff was ready for new start, was railroaded by Rams, eager to remind what he can do.

    Mike Golic Jr@mikegolicjr
    In 2020..

    % of plays with motion at or before snap:
    -Rams 7th … Lions 20th

    Play Action %:
    -Rams 5th … Lions 21st

    % of Receiving Yards after the Catch:
    -Rams 2nd … Lions 24th

    % of drop backs with 7+ blockers:
    -Rams 1st … Lions 21st

    #127334
    zn
    Moderator

    #127335
    zn
    Moderator

    Jourdan Rodrigue@JourdanRodrigue
    My understanding is that the Rams could very well look into the possibility of an extension for Stafford in the immediate, because adding an extra year to his current two-year, $43 million will make the contract a little more team-friendly in the short term as they carry weight

    Rich Hammond@Rich_Hammond
    I still cannot process this. The Rams went all-in on Jared Goff 17 months ago, a year earlier than they needed to pay him. Publicly raved about him. And now they had to give up an extra first-round pick just to get out of that contract.

    OK, well, it better work.

    Albert Breer@AlbertBreer
    Twenty-two quarterbacks were drafted in the first round between 2009 and 2016. None of them remain with the teams that drafted them. Zee. Row.

    Only three first-round QBs from ’16 or before remain with the teams that picked them: Aaron Rodgers, Matt Ryan and Ben Roethlisberger.

    #127336
    RamsMaineiac
    Keymaster

    I am just realizing Goff essentially cost the Rams nine draft picks:

    • Four first-round pick (2016,2017, 2022, 2023)
    • Two second-round picks (2016, 2016)
    • Three third-round picks (2016, 2017, ?)

    Six on the way in and three to unload him.

    He seems like a nice guy, so I wish him well, but ouch.

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    #127340
    zn
    Moderator

    Peter Schrager@PSchrags
    More details trickling in…

    Stafford wanted to play for McVay and be in LA. Lions did him right in the end. There were other offers. Very good ones, too.

    Detroit and Rams front offices both knew that this was the trade that made all parties happiest— teams, player, coach.

    TurfShowTimes@TurfShowTimes
    Rams, Matthew Stafford badly wanted each other, as Lions may have turned down better offers from other teams

    #127342
    wv
    Participant

    The Turfshow comment conflicts with some other ones
    Ive seen, that said the Rams offer was by far
    the best.

    #127343
    zn
    Moderator

    #127344
    zn
    Moderator

    Rampage2K-

    Silver was just on NFL Network btw and didn’t have any kind words for McVay and Snead on how they handled this

    Just checked a Lions message board to see how they are reacting …. they love it

    The word “fleeced” seems to be the most popular over there right now.

    𝒥𝒾𝓂 𝐸𝓋𝑒𝓇𝑒𝓉𝓉@Jim_Everett
    Jared, don’t drink the water!

    Rich Hammond@Rich_Hammond
    I don’t think a team gets to keep making mistakes and then celebrate them with, “We got out of it.” Gurley was one thing. The knee was bad fortune. But this?

    Spotrac@spotrac
    Todd Gurley earned $32M in 2 years of his 6 yr, 71.5M contract.

    Brandin Cooks earned $42M in 2 years of his $85M contract.

    Jared Goff earned $57M in 2 years of his 6 yr, $161M contract.

    The #Rams should just offer 2 year deals…

    Peter King@peter_king
    Carolina was very interested in Stafford, and competed for him. Denver too. Indy and SF as well. The Rams had to pay more than they wanted (obviously).

    Peter Schrager@PSchrags
    Carolina, Denver, Washington, Indianapolis, and others called and inquired on Stafford. No deal was quite as overwhelming as LA’s and Stafford had a preference to be w McVay and in LA.
    In the end, the Lions org wasn’t going to end on foul terms w their franchise’s greatest QB.

    Mike Sando@SandoNFL
    #Rams just won a playoff game with John Wolford starting & Jared Goff taking over with bad thumb. Of course they think they can get to SB with Stafford. But every yr is different, lots of staff changes, who knows? I like their chances better and think they’re way more interesting

    Jeff Darlington@JeffDarlington
    Just talked to Jared Goff — he has already spoken to Lions coach Dan Campbell and several other members of the Lions’ staff. Based on those conversations, they very clearly view him as their starter moving forward. Physical coming soon. Sounds like they’re fired up to have him.

    Matt Bowen@MattBowen41
    Could see the #Rams adding a true vertical threat this offseason (free agency/draft). Throw the deep post off play-action with Stafford there.

    #127348
    zn
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    #127349
    Zooey
    Participant

    My first reaction was shock at what the Rams gave up. It seems like a lot.

    Then I figured that those picks are likely to be late first round, and that’s usually where you hit the center of the 2nd tier good prospects that isn’t much different from the mid-second round. They’re good prospects, but not like the guys in the top of the first round. I mean…you’re out of the blue chips, and into the red chips.

    I saw Mack on Twitter site a rumor that Goff has become quite a party man since his contract, but that’s from Reddit and unverified.

    I don’t know. If Stafford’s better than Goff, then cool. Gets to the Super Bowl, then it’s worth it. I look forward to watching him play.

    #127351
    Zooey
    Participant

    PFF says WHAT?

    “Stafford was the 12th-most valuable player in football last season, throwing the eighth-most big-time throws (32) among all quarterbacks. His 10.1-yard average depth of target was the third-highest in football, though he finished 10th in yards per attempt. He now gets to work with an elite offensive mind for the first time in his career, pairing with Sean McVay in L.A.”

    #127356
    zn
    Moderator

    Matthew Stafford trade grades: Lions land multiple premium picks and Jared Goff, Rams continue unique strategy

    https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2021-nfl-mock-draft-falcons-trade-up-for-zach-wilson-49ers-find-jimmy-garoppolo-replacement/

    In the world of sports, a blockbuster trade can strike at any time and that’s exactly what happened when the Detroit Lions agreed to deal franchise quarterback Matthew Stafford to the Los Angeles Rams for Jared Goff and three future NFL draft picks, as confirmed by CBS Sports’ Jason La Canfora. After the dust settled, the Rams sent Goff, their 2021 third-round pick, their 2022 first-round pick and their 2023 first-round pick to the Lions for Stafford.

    It didn’t take long for first-year Lions general manager Brad Holmes to make a big splash. Holmes came to Detroit from Los Angeles where he was the director of college scouting with the Rams from 2013-2020 — so it’s safe to say he an excellent idea about what the Lions will be getting in return with Goff as their new quarterback. This trade also carries a significant financial impact from a salary cap standpoint. Per NFL Network’s Tom Pelissero, the Rams will inherit the two years, $43 million remaining on Matthew Stafford’s contract. The Lions will inherit four years, $106.6M remaining on Jared Goff’s contract. The Rams will carry a $22.2M dead cap hit in 2021 after trading Goff and the Lions will carry a $17.8 million dead cap hit in 2021.

    Now that the deal is in the books, it’s the perfect time to assign trade grades for both sides.

    Lions
    Trade Grade: A

    When Stafford’s name first surfaced on the trade market, the expectation was the Lions would be able to acquire a first-round draft pick as compensation for dealing him. At no point did anyone mention anything about two first-round draft picks and a third-round pick. The two premium draft picks and the extra third-rounder will allow Detroit to rebuild their roster via the draft — no more patchwork rebuilds. This will be music to Lions fans everywhere as the roster has failed to commit to a full rebuild for the last decade. Of course, the Lions also acquired Jared Goff and his massive contract in addition to the three draft picks. Goff, still just 26 years old and two years removed from winning the NFC conference, may or may not be in Detroit’s long-term plans. His contract carries an out prior to the 2023 season, but the Lions can also move on from him after the 2021 season and take a $15 million dead cap hit on his $40 million 2022 cap number. Detroit managed to acquire three key picks to help bolster their rebuild the right way for a player who they publicly agreed they would trade just a few days ago.

    Rams
    Trade Grade: B-

    The Rams have a unique strategy. After completing this trade, they will now go seven consecutive draft classes without owning a first-round pick. Of course, they can trade for one at a later date, but that seems unlikely. The current Rams regime believes in their ability to locate talent on the second and third days of the draft and so they’re willing to make big moves to acquire already developed NFL stars (Jalen Ramsey, Stafford, etc.) using their first-round picks as leverage. However, with their total salary cap number rising, long-term salary cap allocated to stars like Ramsey, Stafford, Aaron Donald and others, and their offensive line aging — they aren’t leaving much margin for error. Trading draft picks also makes it harder to field a deep roster and compete in seasons where the injury luck is not on your side.

    Of course, on paper, the Rams just upgrade their passing game and offense overall. Stafford will be an excellent fit in Sean McVay’s wide zone play-action offense. His ability to stretch the field vertically will open up new areas of the field for the passing game while at the same time creating softer boxes for Cam Akers to run through. In the short term, behind an elite defense and with talented skill players on offense, acquiring Stafford could be the boost Los Angeles needs to win the conference. The Rams also deserve a grade bump for dumping Goff’s contract on the Lions. It was always going to be difficult for the Rams to trade Goff this offseason based on his contract, but this creative deal accomplished that while also landing them a major upgrade at QB. It came at a hefty price though.

    #127357
    JackPMiller
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    This trade is horrible. If his name was Deshaun Watson, I would have been OK, but not Stafford.

    #127358
    zn
    Moderator

    #127359
    Herzog
    Participant

    I was hoping for Deshaun. I need to process this.

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