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    Matthew Stafford trade grades: Lions land multiple premium picks and Jared Goff, Rams continue unique strategy

    https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2021-nfl-mock-draft-falcons-trade-up-for-zach-wilson-49ers-find-jimmy-garoppolo-replacement/

    In the world of sports, a blockbuster trade can strike at any time and that’s exactly what happened when the Detroit Lions agreed to deal franchise quarterback Matthew Stafford to the Los Angeles Rams for Jared Goff and three future NFL draft picks, as confirmed by CBS Sports’ Jason La Canfora. After the dust settled, the Rams sent Goff, their 2021 third-round pick, their 2022 first-round pick and their 2023 first-round pick to the Lions for Stafford.

    It didn’t take long for first-year Lions general manager Brad Holmes to make a big splash. Holmes came to Detroit from Los Angeles where he was the director of college scouting with the Rams from 2013-2020 — so it’s safe to say he an excellent idea about what the Lions will be getting in return with Goff as their new quarterback. This trade also carries a significant financial impact from a salary cap standpoint. Per NFL Network’s Tom Pelissero, the Rams will inherit the two years, $43 million remaining on Matthew Stafford’s contract. The Lions will inherit four years, $106.6M remaining on Jared Goff’s contract. The Rams will carry a $22.2M dead cap hit in 2021 after trading Goff and the Lions will carry a $17.8 million dead cap hit in 2021.

    Now that the deal is in the books, it’s the perfect time to assign trade grades for both sides.

    Lions
    Trade Grade: A

    When Stafford’s name first surfaced on the trade market, the expectation was the Lions would be able to acquire a first-round draft pick as compensation for dealing him. At no point did anyone mention anything about two first-round draft picks and a third-round pick. The two premium draft picks and the extra third-rounder will allow Detroit to rebuild their roster via the draft — no more patchwork rebuilds. This will be music to Lions fans everywhere as the roster has failed to commit to a full rebuild for the last decade. Of course, the Lions also acquired Jared Goff and his massive contract in addition to the three draft picks. Goff, still just 26 years old and two years removed from winning the NFC conference, may or may not be in Detroit’s long-term plans. His contract carries an out prior to the 2023 season, but the Lions can also move on from him after the 2021 season and take a $15 million dead cap hit on his $40 million 2022 cap number. Detroit managed to acquire three key picks to help bolster their rebuild the right way for a player who they publicly agreed they would trade just a few days ago.

    Rams
    Trade Grade: B-

    The Rams have a unique strategy. After completing this trade, they will now go seven consecutive draft classes without owning a first-round pick. Of course, they can trade for one at a later date, but that seems unlikely. The current Rams regime believes in their ability to locate talent on the second and third days of the draft and so they’re willing to make big moves to acquire already developed NFL stars (Jalen Ramsey, Stafford, etc.) using their first-round picks as leverage. However, with their total salary cap number rising, long-term salary cap allocated to stars like Ramsey, Stafford, Aaron Donald and others, and their offensive line aging — they aren’t leaving much margin for error. Trading draft picks also makes it harder to field a deep roster and compete in seasons where the injury luck is not on your side.

    Of course, on paper, the Rams just upgrade their passing game and offense overall. Stafford will be an excellent fit in Sean McVay’s wide zone play-action offense. His ability to stretch the field vertically will open up new areas of the field for the passing game while at the same time creating softer boxes for Cam Akers to run through. In the short term, behind an elite defense and with talented skill players on offense, acquiring Stafford could be the boost Los Angeles needs to win the conference. The Rams also deserve a grade bump for dumping Goff’s contract on the Lions. It was always going to be difficult for the Rams to trade Goff this offseason based on his contract, but this creative deal accomplished that while also landing them a major upgrade at QB. It came at a hefty price though.

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    Silver was just on NFL Network btw and didn’t have any kind words for McVay and Snead on how they handled this

    Just checked a Lions message board to see how they are reacting …. they love it

    The word “fleeced” seems to be the most popular over there right now.

    𝒥𝒾𝓂 𝐸𝓋𝑒𝓇𝑒𝓉𝓉@Jim_Everett
    Jared, don’t drink the water!

    Rich Hammond@Rich_Hammond
    I don’t think a team gets to keep making mistakes and then celebrate them with, “We got out of it.” Gurley was one thing. The knee was bad fortune. But this?

    Spotrac@spotrac
    Todd Gurley earned $32M in 2 years of his 6 yr, 71.5M contract.

    Brandin Cooks earned $42M in 2 years of his $85M contract.

    Jared Goff earned $57M in 2 years of his 6 yr, $161M contract.

    The #Rams should just offer 2 year deals…

    Peter King@peter_king
    Carolina was very interested in Stafford, and competed for him. Denver too. Indy and SF as well. The Rams had to pay more than they wanted (obviously).

    Peter Schrager@PSchrags
    Carolina, Denver, Washington, Indianapolis, and others called and inquired on Stafford. No deal was quite as overwhelming as LA’s and Stafford had a preference to be w McVay and in LA.
    In the end, the Lions org wasn’t going to end on foul terms w their franchise’s greatest QB.

    Mike Sando@SandoNFL
    #Rams just won a playoff game with John Wolford starting & Jared Goff taking over with bad thumb. Of course they think they can get to SB with Stafford. But every yr is different, lots of staff changes, who knows? I like their chances better and think they’re way more interesting

    Jeff Darlington@JeffDarlington
    Just talked to Jared Goff — he has already spoken to Lions coach Dan Campbell and several other members of the Lions’ staff. Based on those conversations, they very clearly view him as their starter moving forward. Physical coming soon. Sounds like they’re fired up to have him.

    Matt Bowen@MattBowen41
    Could see the #Rams adding a true vertical threat this offseason (free agency/draft). Throw the deep post off play-action with Stafford there.

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    Peter Schrager@PSchrags
    More details trickling in…

    Stafford wanted to play for McVay and be in LA. Lions did him right in the end. There were other offers. Very good ones, too.

    Detroit and Rams front offices both knew that this was the trade that made all parties happiest— teams, player, coach.

    TurfShowTimes@TurfShowTimes
    Rams, Matthew Stafford badly wanted each other, as Lions may have turned down better offers from other teams

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    Jourdan Rodrigue@JourdanRodrigue
    My understanding is that the Rams could very well look into the possibility of an extension for Stafford in the immediate, because adding an extra year to his current two-year, $43 million will make the contract a little more team-friendly in the short term as they carry weight

    Rich Hammond@Rich_Hammond
    I still cannot process this. The Rams went all-in on Jared Goff 17 months ago, a year earlier than they needed to pay him. Publicly raved about him. And now they had to give up an extra first-round pick just to get out of that contract.

    OK, well, it better work.

    Albert Breer@AlbertBreer
    Twenty-two quarterbacks were drafted in the first round between 2009 and 2016. None of them remain with the teams that drafted them. Zee. Row.

    Only three first-round QBs from ’16 or before remain with the teams that picked them: Aaron Rodgers, Matt Ryan and Ben Roethlisberger.

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    Chris Burke@ChrisBurkeNFL
    Per league source, the Lions had seven or eight teams in the bidding, all with first-round picks on the table. They viewed the Rams’ offer as far and away the best one.

    Jourdan Rodrigue@JourdanRodrigue
    By trading for Matthew Stafford, the Rams are currently without a first-round pick thru 2023. Since the blockbuster Jalen Ramsey trade, they have leaned all the way in on bringing core starters in via trade, then drafting and developing in rds 2-6 to fill out starting roster.

    The impression that I have gotten is that because the Rams believe they will stay competitive enough to be drafting late-first yr/yr, they don’t see that pick as more valuable than a proven starter (Ramsey, Stafford). And, they don’t see a ton of difference between low-1, high-2.

    Jeremy Fowler@JFowlerESPN
    What I know after reporting Stafford-Rams out the last few days:

    Stafford wanted this, the chance to maximize talent with McVay

    Rams determined but knew Goff’s deal was only major hurdle.

    Goff was ready for new start, was railroaded by Rams, eager to remind what he can do.

    Mike Golic Jr@mikegolicjr
    In 2020..

    % of plays with motion at or before snap:
    -Rams 7th … Lions 20th

    Play Action %:
    -Rams 5th … Lions 21st

    % of Receiving Yards after the Catch:
    -Rams 2nd … Lions 24th

    % of drop backs with 7+ blockers:
    -Rams 1st … Lions 21st

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    Louis Riddick@LRiddickESPN
    No shock whatsoever that Stafford will find a new team quickly. He is a damn good QB that can make unique level throws. With quality support/good system-relationship he will win big. Right away.

    JosinaAnderson@JosinaAnderson
    Text from league source on the #Lions trade talks for QB Matthew Stafford: “I’m sure they’ll get a trade, but right now they’re looking for a sucker to overpay.”

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    𝒥𝒾𝓂 𝐸𝓋𝑒𝓇𝑒𝓉𝓉@Jim_Everett
    The traits I see that both Andy Reid & Bruce Arians have in common? Both have extensive knowledge of the game, vast experiences, fantastic communicators/motivators and possibly the most important trait, both have learned the power of delegation.

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    Rich Hammond@Rich_Hammond
    Maybe, if they’re fortunate, the Rams can find a QB who has won an NFC championship game!

    Joe Curley@vcsjoecurley
    How about who’s won one on the road, like in a really difficult indoor building.

    Honestly, I’m more concerned at the about face after four years of rock solid commit to 16 than anything else. Jared didn’t undergo a metamorphosis. He’s been who he is for years. What has changed? Because it’s not the quarterback.

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    from https://theathletic.com/2355103/2021/01/29/rams-quarterback-trade-jared-goff/

    A source said Friday that the Rams have started exploratory talks with multiple teams, both in regard to trading Jared Goff and about bringing a new quarterback to the Rams.

    That means if the Rams deem a quarterback worth trading for and are able to execute such a transaction, they would be willing to eat $22.2 million in dead-cap money, plus the new quarterback’s salary. They also could trade Goff after June 1 (an extremely rare scenario, though there is league precedent) for a relatively small total of $6.8 million in dead money in 2021 (plus $15.4 million in 2022).

    Rich Hammond@Rich_Hammond
    Maybe, if they’re fortunate, the Rams can find a QB who has won an NFC championship game!

    Joe Curley@vcsjoecurley
    How about who’s won one on the road, like in a really difficult indoor building.

    Jeremy Fowler@JFowlerESPN
    Sources: Matthew Stafford considers the Rams a viable contender in his trade market with the Lions. While it’s unclear what the Rams can do with Jared Goff’s long-term deal on the books, they’ve explored the possibilities with Stafford.

    Lindsey Thiry@LindseyThiry
    This could be very interesting given the new Lions front office familiarity with the Rams roster and money situation, if the two sides are able to come up with a deal.

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    Michael Silver@MikeSilver
    LA Rams assistant offensive line coach Andy Dickerson is heading to Seattle along with new Seahawks offensive coordinator Shane Waldron. Dickerson will be the Seahawks’ run-game coordinator. @AroundTheNFL @nflnetwork

    Rich Hammond@Rich_Hammond
    Andy Dickerson, incidentally, was the last coach remaining who worked under Jeff Fisher.

    Ray Agnew JR@PopsAgnew99
    To the Rams organization !! Thank you for 23 awesome years ! I won a super bowl as a player and 2 NFC championship as an employee . But the thing I will miss the most is the people and the relationships . Big thanks to Les Snead!

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    So…is this related to the coaches leaving?

    Because…if it is…we in trouble.

    I will say I wondered about that.

    The impression I get is that he’s a bit of a control freak. Head coaches need to delegate, I think.

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    Man.

    If this is true….
    .

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    St. Loser Fan

    D’Marco Farr was on 101.1 in St. Louis this morning.

    He’s pretty much convinced Snead and McVay are just trying to motivate Goff.

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    it seems to me that if McVay is a dick, we would have heard about it before

    We have.

    There’s been all sorts of signs of that.

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