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    in reply to: robert woods traded #137789
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    Blaine Grisak@bgrisakDTR
    This is how I felt after the Rams extended Woods in 2020. They drafted Jefferson – needed to pick between Kupp and Woods. Instead…extended both. Woods never played a snap on his contract extension.
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    from that link:

     According to Over The Cap, the Rams have $15.8 million in cap room after their first wave of transactions. That number doesn’t include Robinson’s contract, however, so his deal will certainly eat into their cap room.

    But simply by cutting Hekker ($2.1 million), trading Woods ($7.1 million) and extending Stafford ($9.5 million), the Rams came away with a total savings of $18.7 million. That’s a significant chunk of change for a team that’s so loaded with stars and big contracts. Andrew Whitworth’s retirement saved another $16 million and Leonard Floyd’s restructured contract cleared $12 million

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    Pablo@unkownAlbanian
    The rams have cut/traded/let go of a better team then we will face this year in the NFC over the McVay era
    Brockers Woods Goff Gurley Cooks Watson jJ3 Fowler Littleton SJD Corbett Saffold Everett Barron
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    the Rams are willing to trade away high draft picks, but don’t seem to require them in return when they make deals for picks.

    Woods at 30 coming off a knee, not as flashily talented as the other receivers you list (objectively he’s just not–his great value beyond being a good steady WR was his intangibles ), with input on where he goes?

    We just differ on this. The trade sounds reasonable to me.  Especially since I am strongly factoring in the whole “Rams do right by him” factor.

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    I believe the Rams wanted to “do right” by Woods. But I’d sure like to know how these negotiations went.

    I just give the Rams the benefit of the doubt on this. I don’t see reasons to doubt the “do right by Woods” story. If the pick mattered less then 2 things mattered more–doing right by RW, and clearing cap space. That’s just how the logic of the situation looks to me. It just makes more sense that way to me than questions pointing to an overnight infection of incompetence.

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    And I don’t buy the idea that it’s just because of Woods’ salary or his age.

    It was neither. It was because they gave Woods the final say in choosing which team he wanted to be traded to. He chose the team he wanted most, and the Rams, out of respect to him, just accepted the Titan’s low bid. They weren’t out for the highest bidder, they were honoring Woods’s choice of teams, out of deference to what he meant to the Rams and how he conducted himself as a player and leader.

    Albert Breer@AlbertBreer

    One more on Robert Woods: The Rams worked with him to find the right destination. Titans are a scheme fit—Woods is a great downfield threat off play-action and a strong run blocker—and great intangible fit. This was a tough 1 for Sean McVay, so Rams wanted to do right by Woods.

    RODRIGUE: Why couldn’t the Rams get more in return? A source said the team got a few calls and offers on Woods over the last two days, especially after they added Robinson. But they also wanted to find a good spot for Woods….the Rams seemed prepared for the inevitable (and fair) criticism of receiving only a 2023 sixth-rounder for a player of Woods’ caliber.

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    Rodrigue: Unpacking the Rams’ trade of Robert Woods to the Titans, an emotionally loaded move driven by finances

    EAST RUTHERFORD, NEW JERSEY - OCTOBER 17: (NEW YORK DAILIES OUT) Robert Woods #2 of the Los Angeles Rams in action against the New York Giants at MetLife Stadium on October 17, 2021 in East Rutherford, New Jersey. Los Angeles Rams defeated the New York Giants 38-11. (Photo by Mike Stobe/Getty Images)

    The Rams traded receiver Robert Woods to the Titans on Saturday afternoon in exchange for a 2023 sixth-round pick, multiple sources told The Athletic. While the reason for the trade was simple — largely financial, I was told — the ripple effects from it won’t be.

    There’s a lot to unpack in a transaction as emotionally loaded as this one is. Woods is a perennial team captain and has been a core leader in the locker room since the Rams signed him in 2017. He helped build the culture that ultimately became so crucial to the Rams’ Super Bowl win. He’s also a Los Angeles native and former USC Trojan who heartbreakingly could not participate on the field through the backstretch of last season’s championship run because he tore his ACL during practice in November (he’s expected to return to full form before training camp).

    This trade requires us to hold many things in our minds at once as truths, even as fans and teammates are reeling from it:

    • The Rams were not going to pay three receivers $12 million-plus annually. Their acquisition of high-profile receiver Allen Robinson on Thursday was the first in a series of moves that foreshadowed major changes coming to a talent-crowded receivers room. Robinson’s own contract averages about $15 million per year, and I expect the Rams to also restructure triple crown receiver Cooper Kupp’s deal in the coming months to reflect the higher pay of a player of his caliber.

    They also want to re-sign Odell Beckham Jr., but it’s important to note that trading Woods wasn’t an either/or situation as far as Beckham is concerned. Beckham’s offer from the Rams isn’t likely to be a high one in its first year at least (or front-loaded if it’s a multiyear deal), because he will play only half a season at best when he returns from his own ACL injury suffered in the Super Bowl.

    The Rams will incur a dead-money hit of $8.6 million because they didn’t wait until after June 1 to trade Woods. But, a source directly familiar with the transaction said, the team will save about $10 million between cash, bonus and cap considerations previously owed to Woods in 2022.

    They are currently trying to restructure star defensive tackle Aaron Donald’s contract, and it’s likely to be very expensive. They’re also trying to remain aggressive in free agency through the spring and summer to add at important positions (they need another pass rusher and a cornerback, though one of the two can’t affect their compensatory-pick formula).

    • Why did the Rams acquire Robinson in the first place if they knew it would mean parting with Woods? Free agency isn’t always linear. Multiple action plans are required, and the Rams pivoted when they didn’t retain outside linebacker Von Miller. They believed as late as Wednesday morning that they would get him back, before the Bills’ quiet push and higher offer (six years, $120 million with $45 million guaranteed) persuaded him away.

    As they waited for Miller to explore free agency fully for the first time and make his decision, the other top available pass rushers were signed by other teams. A source said the Rams even internally discussed trade possibilities with Minnesota, who midweek was still figuring out what to do with pass-rusher Danielle Hunter.

    When it became clear their top pass-rush options were not viable, they signed Robinson, who was arguably the best free agent still available (and a top-10 player in this free-agent class overall) and fits what specifically Matthew Stafford and McVay want to do with their passing game. Moving Woods then seemed like an inevitability because of Robinson’s salary and Woods’ own.

    That’s not to say that the Rams wouldn’t have tried to trade Woods if Miller had stayed, considering his contract. They still could have done so after June 1, and incurred far less dead money in 2022. But, if Miller had stayed, they probably wouldn’t have also been able to afford Robinson. If they couldn’t afford Robinson, they wouldn’t have had an overcrowded and financially disproportionate receivers room (again, Beckham Jr.’s expected offer does not factor into this). Football’s calculus can be cruel.

    It was not ideal for the Rams to miss out on pass rushers in free agency’s initial wave (although there were mixed feelings internally about the size of the offer to Miller) On the other hand, a team can’t sit on its heels if its first plan goes awry and another elite player is available. The savings from not retaining Miller, extending Stafford and creating more cap space in 2022, and the extra savings from trading Woods will fold into more moves beyond the acquisition of Robinson.

    • Why couldn’t the Rams get more in return? A source said the team got a few calls and offers on Woods over the last two days, especially after they added Robinson. But they also wanted to find a good spot for Woods, and the Titans’ offense certainly is that — his blocking will unlock even more in their already-dangerous run game, and he thrives in play-action-heavy offenses. The Titans still use a ton of play-action, while the Rams dramatically moved away from their usage of it after trading for Stafford.

    Between offloading Woods’ salary and the fit, the Rams seemed prepared for the inevitable (and fair) criticism of receiving only a 2023 sixth-rounder for a player of Woods’ caliber.

    • To me, this move signals even more of schematic shift in 2022. We saw pieces of this last season, including the movement away from sweeps and play-action passes and the increased usage of pure dropback concepts and empty sets. Adding Stafford, then figuring out what he was truly capable of as a passer, then understanding how defenses were rapidly changing to contain the offense McVay ran from 2017 to 2020 forced the coach to adapt. Schematic changes often mean personnel changes.

    The move also signals a dramatic changing-of-the-guard in locker-room leadership, too — or at least, it will have to if the Rams want to keep their team culture cohesive. Stalwart left tackle Andrew Whitworth retired, and veteran punter Johnny Hekker was released. Like those players, Woods’ contributions to the Rams’ ethos were invaluable.

    His departure will require younger or newer players to emerge as stability points. The Rams have gambled in many phases of their team-build, and it has worked out for them. But the emotional implications of this move might be among their riskiest bets yet.

    Yes, there’s a lot to unpack from a move such as this.

    In physics, every action has an equal and opposite reaction. Each reaction is in itself a new action, and the cycle continues. Time will tell what this move’s ultimate result is. We currently see only about half of the picture.

    The difficult part is that, in losing a player as meaningful as Woods has been to this franchise, to his teammates, coaches, fans and to media, we feel all of it

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    SeattleRams@seattlerams_nfl
    By my count, that makes three 2021 Rams Captain’s no longer with the team.
    Whitworth
    Hekker
    Woods
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    I would have liked to be in on the conversations because there is no way, from my couch, that this trade makes sense.

    Well as was said in the thread, it’s a 6th rounder because the Rams let Woods choose the team he went to, and he chose the Titans…and that’s all they were offering.

    Okay, but sending Woods where he wants to go could be a consideration, but surely if another team offered something better – a 4th, say – business is business. They might give him the courtesy of 10-12 slots difference, but…a SIXTH?

    Well respect to Woods was the prime consideration. Personally, I get that. Respected team leader, always came through for the team. They counted respect for his choice more than the compensation.

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    I would have liked to be in on the conversations because there is no way, from my couch, that this trade makes sense.

     

    Well as was said in the thread, it’s a 6th rounder because the Rams let Woods choose the team he went to, and he chose the Titans…and that’s all they were offering.

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    SeattleRams@seattlerams_nfl
    if you’re shocked that the Rams would extend a player with a big deal, and then see them move away from that player, then you certainly must be new to this team. Ogletree, Gurley, Goff, Cooks and Tavon would like to invite you to the group chat.
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    Chances are they gave Woods some say as to where he would be traded.

    Yep.

    Albert Breer@AlbertBreer
    One more on Robert Woods: The Rams worked with him to find the right destination. Titans are a scheme fit—Woods is a great downfield threat off play-action and a strong run blocker—and great intangible fit. This was a tough 1 for Sean McVay, so Rams wanted to do right by Woods.
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    Ian Rapoport@RapSheet
    Sources: The #Rams and QB Matthew Stafford are closing in on a contract extension. The Super Bowl champion cashing in. With a roster bonus due tomorrow the two sides are working on a deal ahead of that and it’s expected to get done
    More specifics on Matthew Stafford’s extension: It’s effectively a 3-year extension worth $129M — $43M a year. There are added years for cap purposes. But $43M over the next 3 of the deal. And Stafford took less than he could’ve to help build on a Super Bowl-caliber team.
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    We only get a 2023 6th round pick? Really?

    Chances are they gave Woods some say as to where he would be traded. So this makes sense:

    Michael Fabiano@Michael_Fabiano
    Eagles, Browns and Bears were all very interested in Robert Woods. Green Bay also but moved too slowly. Woods loved the idea of going to the Titans, and the Rams made the move.

    He’s traded the same day they extend Stafford so that lends credence to the idea that they needed cap space. But then to really understand this we would have to know the details on Robinson’s contract.

    Here’s RW’s contract numbers:

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    Jourdan Rodrigue@JourdanRodrigue
    I think there is just a lot to unpack here and it’s just not simply done in a space with limited characters. So hang tight for a minute and will try my best, definitely see your questions
    Michael Fabiano@Michael_Fabiano
    Eagles, Browns and Bears were all very interested in Robert Woods. Green Bay also but moved too slowly. Woods loved the idea of going to the Titans, and the Rams made the move.
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    Rich Hammond@Rich_Hammond
    Well, when you win the Super Bowl, it comes with a giant bowl of Benefit Of The Doubt, but I’m just here to drop my “this is all a big mistake” so that I can either be proven correct or look stupid in 11 months.
    But what’s the big upside to all of this so far? A unknown in Allen Robinson, who is all of a year younger than Woods? If they do something eye-popping on defense, then the calculus changes for me.
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    RAMS REPORT@RamsNFLReport
    Don’t forget that the Rams DO NOT have OBJ.

    At WR they have:

    • Cooper Kupp
    • Allen Robinson
    • Van Jefferson
    • Brandon Powell
    • Ben Skowronek
    • Tutu Atwell

    Louis Riddick@LRiddickESPN
    Robert Woods had missed 1 game/1 start in the 3 seasons prior to being injured in November ‘21. Was considered to be a guy that was irreplaceable because of how important he was to the Rams on the field and in the locker room. Rehab on track. Trade is a good one for Tennessee.
    Cesar @ClappedCesar
    I love Robert Woods next to anyone, but y’all really weren’t paying attention. They paid Arob WR1/2 money and had 3 WR’s making above 10 mill a year making them the most expensive WR room in the NFL. Sadly it was bound to happen.
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    Jeremy Fowler@JFowlerESPN
    The Vikings have had trade interest on DE Danielle Hunter, with multiple teams inquiring and Minnesota having discussions on his future. But Hunter is poised to return to Minnesota with Vikings set to pay his $18M roster bonus, per @AdamSchefter.
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    Jourdan Rodrigue@JourdanRodrigue
    Had heard the Rams at least explored what was possible here and I wouldn’t rule them out from continuing to assess their options in adding a pass-rusher, whether in coming days or later in the league year (like June, for example). Am reminded their aggressive move here last  season didn’t come until November.
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