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znModeratorDavid Blackwell (quora)The USA, the only country in the world with health control and gun care.
znModeratorJourdan Rodrigue@JourdanRodrigue
John Wolford still dealing with neck issue tho McVay says “trending in the right direction”Ty Nsekhe’s ankle sounds like it’s day to day, at least for now. Sean McVay indicated A’Shawn Robinson’s knee is less optimistic. Also, Darrell Henderson felt something in his knee pregame and that played a part in limiting snaps.
Indication was team will know later in the week whether Nsekhe might be able to go Sunday vs KC
znModeratorIt's been about 24 hours and Matthew Stafford is still being evaluated for a concussion. He's yet to be placed on the protocol. No idea what's taking so long. https://t.co/VRrMkTJSkx
— Cameron DaSilva (@camdasilva) November 21, 2022
znModeratorWe already know this, just typing it up.
This season the Rams have played the following at 4 spots:
4 LOTs: Noteboom, Jackson, Nsekhe, Evans
8 OGs: Edwards, Shelton, Anchrum, Jackson, Evans, Aboushi, Brewer, Skura (this not counting Bruss who was hurt in the pre-season)
3 OC: Allen, Shelton, Kolone
Some guys played more than one spot (Jackson, Evans, Shelton).
The following were all injured at least once, some twice: Noteboom, Nsekhe, Edwards, Shelton, Anchrum, Brewer, Skura, Allen
A couple who weren’t injured, bizarrely, are also their worst on-field performers: Evans and Kolone. They even benched Evans for Skura at OG, and then Evans had to play LOT off the bench when Nsekhe got hurt. Needless to say no team is 4 deep at LOT.
In the middle of all this mess, some injury replacements have shown promise on the field: Jackson certainly, maybe Brewer, possibly Anchrum (though that was not on the field, he was injured too quickly, but the Rams do apparently see promise in him).
This OL, until Evans came in, played decently in the first half of the Saints game: Nsekhe Skura Allen Aboushi Hav. Decently enough to take the lead. Even though that unit started 3 guys who in-season pick-ups who were not on the roster after the final cut-down to 53.
znModeratorThis made me feel something again so I’m at least thankful for that pic.twitter.com/p2la25F2pD
— JAKE ELLENBOGEN (@JKBOGEN) November 21, 2022
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znModeratorMusk underestimated Twitter train wreck, says analyst
https://www.yahoo.com/news/musk-underestimated-twitter-train-wreck-074040058.html
STORY: “This is essentially Game of Thrones between Musk and the Twitter employees,” says Dan Ives of Wedbush Securities. “This is really a quicksand situation that he’s trying to fix. And the more he does, the more damage he does.”
Hundreds of Twitter Inc employees are estimated to have decided to quit the beleaguered company following a Thursday deadline from new owner Elon Musk that staffers sign up for “long hours at high intensity,” or leave.
Ives highlighted morale problems with the social media giant, as many of Twitter’s 3,000 or so staff are reluctant to remain at the company.
“I think there’s a feeling right now that this situation is just continue to go more and more into a train wreck,” said Ives, “And I think it’s something even Musk himself underestimated.”
November 20, 2022 at 10:18 pm in reply to: mass shootings & guns … including Trump getting shot at #141768
znModeratorGunman kills 5 at gay club, is subdued by patrons
https://apnews.com/article/shootings-colorado-springs-e098d88261db6bcfc0774434abbb7a8f
COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. (AP) — A 22-year-old gunman opened fire with a semiautomatic rifle inside a gay nightclub in Colorado Springs, killing five people and leaving 25 injured before he was subdued by “heroic” patrons and arrested by police who arrived within minutes, authorities said Sunday.
The suspect in the Saturday night shooting at Club Q used an AR-15-style semiautomatic weapon, a law enforcement official said. A handgun and additional ammunition magazines also were recovered, according to the official, who could not discuss details of the investigation publicly and spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity.
The attack ended when a patron grabbed a handgun from the suspect and hit him with it, Colorado Springs Mayor John Suthers told The Associated Press. The person who hit the gunman had him pinned down when police arrived, Suthers said.
“Had that individual not intervened this could have been exponentially more tragic,” Suthers said.
On its Facebook page, the club called it a “hate attack.” Investigators were still determining a motive and whether to prosecute it as a hate crime, said El Paso County District Attorney Michael Allen. Charges against the suspect will likely include first-degree murder, he said.
Police identified the alleged gunman as Anderson Lee Aldrich, who was in custody and being treated for injuries.
Aldrich was arrested in 2021 after his mother reported he threatened her with a homemade bomb and other weapons, authorities said. They declined to elaborate on that arrest. No explosives were found, authorities said at the time, and The Gazette in Colorado Springs reported that prosecutors did not pursue any charges and that records were sealed.
Of the 25 injured, at least seven were in critical condition, authorities said. Some were hurt trying to flee, and it was unclear if all of the victims were shot, a police spokesperson said.
Suthers said there was “reason to hope” that all of those hospitalized would recover.
The shooting rekindled memories of the 2016 massacre at the Pulse gay nightclub in Orlando, Florida, that killed 49 people. Colorado has experienced several mass killings, including at Columbine High School in 1999, a movie theater in suburban Denver in 2012 and at a Boulder supermarket last year.
It was the sixth mass killing this month and came in a year when the nation was shaken by the deaths of 21 in a school shooting in Uvalde, Texas.
Authorities were called to Club Q at 11:57 p.m. Saturday with a report of a shooting, and the first officer arrived at midnight.
Joshua Thurman said he was in the club with about two dozen other people and was dancing when the shots began. He initially thought it was part of the music, until he heard another shot and said he saw the flash of a gun muzzle.
Thurman, 34, said he ran with another person to a dressing room where someone already was hiding. They locked the door, turned off the lights and got on the floor but could hear the violence unfolding, including the gunman getting beaten up, he added.
“I could have lost my life — over what? What was the purpose?” he said as tears ran down his cheeks. “We were just enjoying ourselves. We weren’t out harming anyone. We were in our space, our community, our home, enjoying ourselves like everybody else does.”
Detectives also were examining whether anyone had helped Aldrich before the attack, Police Chief Adrian Vasquez said. He said patrons who intervened during the attack were “heroic” and owed a debt of gratitude for preventing more deaths.
Club Q is a gay and lesbian nightclub that features a drag show on Saturdays, according to its website. Club Q’s Facebook page said planned entertainment included a “punk and alternative show” preceding a birthday dance party, with a Sunday all-ages drag brunch.
Suthers noted that the club had operated for 21 years and had not reported any threats before Saturday’s attack.
Drag events have become a focus of anti-LGBTQ rhetoric and protests recently as opponents, including politicians, have proposed banning children from them, falsely claiming they’re used to “groom” children.
Attorney General Merrick Garland was briefed on the shooting and the FBI was assisting police with the investigation.
To substantiate a hate-crime charge against Aldrich, prosecutors would have to prove he was motivated by the victims’ actual or perceived sexual orientation or gender identity. So far, the suspect has not been cooperative in interviews with investigators and has not given them clear insight yet about the motivation for the attack, according to the official who spoke on condition of anonymity.
President Joe Biden said that while the motive for the shootings was not yet clear, “we know that the LGBTQI+ community has been subjected to horrific hate violence in recent years.”
“Places that are supposed to be safe spaces of acceptance and celebration should never be turned into places of terror and violence,” he said. “We cannot and must not tolerate hate.”
Colorado Gov. Jared Polis, who became the first openly gay man in the United States to be elected governor in 2018, called the shooting “sickening.”
“My heart breaks for the family and friends of those lost, injured and traumatized,” Polis said. “Colorado stands with our LGTBQ community and everyone impacted by this tragedy as we mourn.”
A makeshift memorial sprang up Sunday near the club, with flowers, a stuffed animal and candles and a sign saying “Love over hate” next to a rainbow-colored heart.
Seth Stang was buying flowers for the memorial when he was told that two of the dead were his friends. The 34-year-old transgender man said it was like having “a bucket of hot water getting dumped on you. … I’m just tired of running out of places where we can exist safely.”
Ryan Johnson, who lives near the club and was there last month, said it was one of only two nightspots for the LGBTQ community in conservative-leaning Colorado Springs. “It’s kind of the go-to for pride,” the 26-year-old said of the club, which is tucked behind other businesses, including a bowling alley and a sandwich shop.
Colorado Springs, a city of about 480,000 located 70 miles (112 kilometers) south of Denver, is home to the U.S. Air Force Academy, the U.S. Olympic Training Center, as well as Focus on the Family, a prominent evangelical Christian ministry that lobbies against LGBTQ rights. The group condemned the shooting and said it “exposes the evil and wickedness inside the human heart.”
In November 2015, three people were killed and eight wounded at a Planned Parenthood clinic in the city when authorities say a gunman targeted the clinic because it performed abortions.
“Club Q is devastated by the senseless attack on our community,” the club posted on Facebook. “We thank the quick reactions of heroic customers that subdued the gunman and ended this hate attack.”
The CEO of a national LGBTQ-rights organization, Kevin Jennings of Lambda Legal, pleaded for tighter restrictions on guns.
“America’s toxic mix of bigotry and absurdly easy access to firearms means that such events are all too common and LGBTQ+ people, BIPOC communities, the Jewish community and other vulnerable populations pay the price again and again for our political leadership’s failure to act,” he said in a statement.
The shooting came during Transgender Awareness Week and just at the start of Sunday’s International Transgender Day of Remembrance, when events around the world are held to mourn and remember transgender people lost to violence.
In June, 31 members of the neo-Nazi group Patriot Front were arrested in Coeur d’Alene, Idaho, and charged with conspiracy to riot at a Pride event. Experts warned that extremist groups could see anti-gay rhetoric as a call to action.
The previous month, a fundamentalist Idaho pastor told his small Boise congregation that gay, lesbian and transgender people should be executed by the government, which lined up with similar sermons from a Texas fundamentalist pastor.
Since 2006, there have been 523 mass killings and 2,727 deaths as of Nov. 19, according to The Associated Press/USA Today database on mass killings in the U.S.
znModeratorWe have seen qbs out there before behind demolished Rams OLs. They didn’t get seriously injured though they did get nicked up.
It didn’t take long for that comment to end up on the “did not age well” list. 😎
znModeratorThe OL did surprisingly well, given that it started 3 guys who weren’t on the team in week 1. But all 3 were decent pros. The wheels came off when Evans came in, & the defense knew they weren’t going to let Perkins really pass (as they did with MS at the end of half 1).
znModeratorJourdan Rodrigue@JourdanRodrigueAs the Rams may need to start their 11th OL combination in 11 games next week (pending Ty Nsekhe’s status), QB Matthew Stafford has been hit 63 times in nine games this season, per
znModeratorJourdan Rodrigue@JourdanRodrigue
Matthew Stafford will undergo further testing Monday when back in Los Angeles to determine whether he will enter concussion protocol, per team.No update from McVay yet on Ty Nsekhe or A’Shawn Robinson. Nsekhe in a walking boot and crutches outside locker room but to reiterate we do not know severity of injury yet.
znModeratorJourdan Rodrigue@JourdanRodrigueThese weren’t even short/quick game pass plays. These seemed just like errors. Saints bite off 18, 13, 15, 18 and the TD to re-take the lead. Stopping the run. Coverage must do its part.roberto clemente@rclemente2121didn’t expect much from the offense today, but i did from the defense, wanted to see a strong showing against the saints #13 scoring offense, instead it’s the opposite, tough season….SeattleRams@seattlerams_nflSean McVay should be given 8 timeouts per game..roberto clemente@rclemente2121stafford this is year 1 of his new 4-year $160 million contract (extension), of which $130 million is guaranteed. with a lombardi now under his belt, and concussions apparently mounting, you have to wonder if he might call it quits sooner rather than later..Sosa Kremenjas@QBsMVPSo how about Kyren Williams? The kids got some juice, was fun to watch today.
znModeratorRams OL this game–>
Nsecke (sp) Skura Shelton Aboushi Hav
That’s their 8th guard.
3 of the starters on this OL were not on the roster for game 1.
Then Nsecke (sp?) got hurt so it’s their 4th OL & I think their 13th lineman to play this season
znModeratorI think we may see team needs differently, and what a “rebuild” would entail. I know the injuries along the O-line have been crazy, extreme, once in a decade, etc. But I don’t think it was a good line going into the season.
I don’t agree with that, fwiw. I take the Bills game the way I said–that was not a bad team, it was a McV team unprepared for game 1 against a tough opponent (maybe the toughest they could have played).
The OL was the same as the superbowl OL, with replacements at LOT and OG. They do not lack for OG candidates. They’ve started 7. At LOT, if Noteboom was off, Jackson was better–and blood clots is not permanent. So basically next year they have their superbowl OL plus Jackson at LOT and the best of 7 guard candidates for ROG. Add new bodies and keep it going.
Where they need to draft people is RB, CB, and LB/edge.
That’s not a rebuild. That’s not a situation where you trade away good players for picks.
Good conversation btw, guys.
znModeratorI would sit him. Its not old-school, I know, but i would sit him.
I see your point, but I also don’t know which is best. We have seen qbs out there before behind demolished Rams OLs. They didn’t get seriously injured though they did get nicked up. To me it’s the message you send the team. Why would Donald and Ramsey among others risk themselves if you’re not playing to win.
Wolford is out btw.
znModeratorBT, I don’t take game one as meaning anything except that against a top team, McV’s strategy of not playing starters in the preseason meant they hit the field out of sync and unprepared.
I just don’t see a rebuild situation.
And no team that has ever existed has the depth needed to handle 12 or 13 injured OL. That’s just impossible. (Same thing happened in 2007 though this is probably worse.) All teams cope with injuries, of course, but if you get endless injuries to one key unit, you go way past critical mass and that unit is rendered ineffective. If it’s a key unit the results take the whole team down with it.
znModeratorSome people are suggesting this is rebuild territory. I don’t agree. They’ve had 12 OL injured, some twice. That’s the issue. Out of that mess they probably have even found a couple of players for the future.
znModeratorAlmost Twice as Many Republicans Died From COVID Before the Midterms Than Democrats
znModeratorI am not playing my veteran-star-QB, behind ‘that’ Oline with no Cooper Kupp, and ‘that’ assortment of skill players. I aint do’in it. Course if i were to do it, every pass play would be a 3-step drop and a 5 yard route. w v
2 more OL out including Jackson. I think that makes 12 or 13 they’ve played. This is crazy.
Instead of watching the game we might as well watch videos of Vesuvius destroying the population of Pompei.
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znModeratorCan’t stop laughing; stay til the end:pic.twitter.com/OfbpgjBIuz
— Andrew Brandt (@AndrewBrandt) November 19, 2022
znModeratorbeat the saints! pic.twitter.com/Wj7QYazpu5
— roberto clemente (@rclemente2121) November 19, 2022
znModeratorThis Super Bowl hangover for the Rams has been one of the tougher ones we've seen in recent years. pic.twitter.com/1PX4C1J43D
— FOX Sports: NFL (@NFLonFOX) November 18, 2022
znModeratorOn this week’s podcast, @JonStewart asks Secretaries @HillaryClinton and @CondoleezzaRice how necessary or effective American military intervention is in international conflicts. The full episode comes out tomorrow on @ApplePodcasts and YouTube. pic.twitter.com/7ZR2771PPg
— The Problem With Jon Stewart (@TheProblem) November 17, 2022
znModeratorroberto clemente@rclemente2121since wk 3 the titans are the #1 ranked defense in offensive points allowed (altho they’re also the #21 ranked scoring offense since wk 3). that said, outside of the chiefs, the titans have faced one very soft sched since wk3…
znModeratorbeat the saints! pic.twitter.com/pGZ8ZOs5Dk
— roberto clemente (@rclemente2121) November 19, 2022
znModeratorThe Rams signed rookie OT Zachary Thomas to the active roster, adding some much-needed depth https://t.co/lvJMlVlRQ5
— Cameron DaSilva (@camdasilva) November 18, 2022
znModeratorTurfShowTimes@TurfShowTimes
Rams rule out 2 starting offensive linemen for Saints game. L.A. might start three players on the OL who weren’t on an NFL team at the beginning of the season, with Matthew Stafford expected to return at QBGreg Beacham@gregbeacham
The Rams currently have 6 offensive linemen on their roster who can play Sunday. 3 of those 6 weren’t on the team in Week 1. The Rams have 7 offensive linemen who are on IR or too injured to play Sunday.
znModeratorOne step forward, two steps back for the Rams' offensive line.
Brian Allen and David Edwards are both out this week against the Saints https://t.co/y63RVHHSOS
— Cameron DaSilva (@camdasilva) November 18, 2022
znModeratorHere’s what Bobby Wagner is telling his younger teammates during this rough season for the Rams https://t.co/lLDDyh66N7
— Rams Wire (@TheRamsWire) November 18, 2022
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