Do you guys make this trade? Kupp to the Giants for . . .

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  • #143454
    Billy_T
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    Bumped into this on Rams Digest:

    https://www.si.com/nfl/rams/news/los-angeles-rams-trade-rumor-proposal-cooper-kupp-new-york-giants

    Excerpt:

    Now, though, with Ramsey gone and the future not shining as bright as it once was, the Rams could make further moves. If they do, Bleacher Report proposed a potential blockbuster trade that would signify a full-scale teardown and rebuild in Los Angeles.

    Los Angeles Rams receive: 2023 first-round pick (No. 25 overall), 2023 third-round pick (No. 89 overall), 2024 third-round pick

    New York Giants receive: WR Cooper Kupp

    Kupp is probably my second favorite Ram right now, after Donald. Up there for me as an all time favorite, actually. But he’s also turning 30 this June, and the NFL isn’t kind to receivers at that age and beyond. Unlike QBs, they seem to hit a wall on the wrong side of that.

    So if I’m thinking about the future of the Rams, yeah, I make that trade. If I’m thinking with a fan’s heart, it’s no way. I want to see him retire in horns.

    Thing is, I doubt the Giants would do it. I don’t think they’d give up all of those high picks for a 30-year-old receiver, even one as special as Kupp. I might be way wrong. But I kinda doubt it. So then my fear would be that the Rams, if they do decide to trade Kupp, would follow their recent tradition of accepting way too little for a player.

    Anyway, what do you guys think? Would you make the trade as listed? A 1st and two 3rds?

    #143455
    Zooey
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    I think they are more likely to get high-end production out of Kupp for the next 3 or 4 seasons than they would from #25 draft pick guy.

    #143456
    zn
    Moderator

    I wouldn’t trade him. I don’t think they need to give away assets to build for the future. I think they’re more in a position where they need to milk what they have and keep adding more around what they have.

    #143457
    Billy_T
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    Agreeing with Zooey about Kupp’s likely production, if he’s healthy. But his window is closing. Again, I think he’s likely far more valuable to the Rams than to other teams. Combination of intangibles, locker room impact, and familiarity with the ecosystem. Woods was similar in that way, IMO. He was a legit #1 with the Rams. Not so sure the rest of the league saw him in that light.

    Jourdan mentioned a coupla weeks ago that the time to do a rebuild was actually right after the Super Bowl win. Sounds kinda crazy, unless we consider that was the peak “value” time for core players, especially Stafford before his extension.

    Right now, they’re beyond the wave, basically. Last year likely hurt the league-wide valuation of a lot of Rams players — unfair and short-sighted as that may be.

    ZN, I think you and I probably differ on the current talent level on the Rams, and whether or not they need major upgrades. But I also have a feeling that the Brass is probably in your corner on that issue, not mine.

    Anyway, I’m hoping the Rams make several draft-day trades early to garner more picks (if they have partners), and then trade back up later. It’s a pretty deep draft in the areas the Rams need to address most: corners and pass-rushers. They also need safeties, and competition at center, both guards, both tackles. A mismatch TE would be great too, as would a size/speed wideout, a speedy running back, and a bulldozer RB as well. In my mocks, I try to get a coupla DTs too.

     

    #143469
    InvaderRam
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    i’d do it. i love coop, but the guy can’t stay healthy. he’s had two good seasons out of the six he’s been with the rams? the rest he’s been injured. and he’s gonna be 30 soon.

     

    problem is no team in their right mind would offer that for him. maybe a team that thought he’d get them to a superbowl?

    #143479
    Billy_T
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    i’d do it. i love coop, but the guy can’t stay healthy. he’s had two good seasons out of the six he’s been with the rams? the rest he’s been injured. and he’s gonna be 30 soon. problem is no team in their right mind would offer that for him. maybe a team that thought he’d get them to a superbowl?

    Good point about the injuries. Wonder if it’s his running style? He tends to fight hard for extra yards. Doesn’t run out of bounds, typically. And he hits the turf a lot, head first, it seems. I worry about his future health with all of those concussions, known and unknown.

    I agree that the proposed offer is too good to be true, which is why I’d definitely consider it. Not likely a team would give up that much draft capital, considering age and, as you remind us, injuries. But stranger things have happened in the NFL. Ironically, it’s usually the Rams on the other side of that, offering far too much (in my view) for this or that player.

    I still think the Goff for Stafford trade was absurd on the compensation front. Great for the Rams in results, obviously. Can’t evah take that Super Bowl win away, and that season was one for the books. Excellent, exciting games, throughout, with very smart pickups like OBJ and Michel to boot. Loved pretty much every second of it.

    But I just didn’t see that big a difference between Goff and Stafford. The latter has the better arm talent, of course, and McVay obviously had lost confidence in Goff. But two 1sts and a 3rd, plus Goff? At most, I would have thrown in that 3rd rounder, but even that seems high to me. Apparently, Detroit picking up Goff’s contract in full (4 years, 106 million) was a major factor in increasing the required draft capital, from Detroit’s POV. Then again, who forced the Rams to extend Goff early in the first place?

    I think a part of being a Rams fan, for as long as I have, is grumbling about stuff, even if it works out great. They seem to bring that out of me. Still love the horns.

    ;>)

    #143480
    Billy_T
    Participant

    Some context:

    https://www.nfl.com/news/lions-agree-to-trade-matthew-stafford-to-rams-in-blockbuster-deal-involving-jare

    excerpt:

    Detroit will acquire Goff, a 2021 third-round pick and first-round picks in 2022 and 2023 in exchange for Stafford, per Pelissero.

    Pelissero also reported that multiple teams offered first-round picks in this year’s draft, but this deal will ultimately give both sides what they desired.

    The trade became official on Thursday, March 18.

    The Rams will inherit the two years, $43 million remaining on Stafford’s contract, and the Lions will carry a $17.8 million dead cap hit in 2021, per Pelissero. The expectation is that Stafford’s contract won’t need to be changed and an extension or raise was not part of the deal, according to Rapoport.

    In return, Detroit will inherit the four years and $106.6M remaining on Goff’s contract. L.A. will carry a $22.2 million dead cap hit in 2021.

    The Lions had more than six offers, including a few worth more than a first-round pick, Rapoport added. Detroit’s decision to take on Goff’s large contract ended up costing L.A. more.

    The Chicago Bears, Denver Broncos and Carolina Panthers, clubs that are among a handful of teams with questions surrounding the position heading into next season, were among those who inquired as the Lions had several offers, Rapoport reported Sunday.

    Pelissero highlighted the particulars of Goff’s current contract: He has $43 million in fully guaranteed money left — $25 million in base salary in 2021, a $2.5 million roster bonus due on the second day of the 2021 league year in March and another $15.5 million roster bonus due on the second day of the 2022 league year.

    #143481
    wv
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    I love the connection tween stafford and kupp.   Its a rare thing.

    As long as stafford is playing, i would never trade kupp.   They are more like one thing to me: stafford-kupp.

    Not time for a complete overhaul, imho.   Try and draft well, and see what the Oline really is, and reassess after this season.

     

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    #143483
    Zooey
    Participant

    I love the connection tween stafford and kupp. Its a rare thing. As long as stafford is playing, i would never trade kupp. They are more like one thing to me: stafford-kupp. Not time for a complete overhaul, imho. Try and draft well, and see what the Oline really is, and reassess after this season. w v

    Sure looks like they are going to try very hard to run it back in 2024. At present, they have – what? – $58 million is space? That’s a lot. A whole lot.

    That buys you some pieces, right there.

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