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November 11, 2014 at 7:39 pm in reply to: Does anyone here believe we can beat Denver on Sunday? #11628
wvParticipantThey’d probly have to knock Peyton out
to do it.I’m lookin forward to seein how
the defense plays against the Denver O.
They might surprise us.The Offense is hopeless, now.
Ah well.w
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wvParticipantWell i hope RFL is wrong about Fisher
being McClellan. I dunno.If the defense really keeps improving
and gels, i will continue to be pretty optimistic.Hard to judge an offense when the franchise QB
is sitting on the bench. Lets see how the Cards
look with Carson gone now.At any rate, i just enjoy the whole ram-fan thing.
I just kinda smile and shake my head during years like this.
It’ll take more than just one decade of futility
to wear me down đw
vhttp://www.nellaware.com/blog/george-b-mcclellan-quotes.html
âWill you pardon me for asking what the horses of your army have done since the battle of Antietam that fatigues anything?â
âPresident Abraham Lincolnâs question directed to George B. McClellan, who had excused his lack of action in the fall of 1862 because of exhausted horses. McClellan was removed from command soon afterward.âIf he had a million men he would swear the enemy has two millions, and then he would sit down in the mud and yell for three.â
âEdwin M. Stanton, the United States secretary of war commenting on General George B. McClellan. McClellan often overestimated the number of enemy forces opposing him, and so he always needed and wanted more men and more supplies before he could take offensive action.It is called the Army of the Potomac, but it is only McClellanâs bodyguardâŠIf McClellan is not using the army, I should like to borrow it for a while.
âAbraham Lincoln on April 9, 1862, regarding George B. McClellan. McClellan often tested Lincolnâs patience because of his failure to take action against the Confederates. This quote is from a note Lincoln eventually decided not to send.General McClellan, if I understand you correctly, before you strike at the Rebels, you want to be sure of plenty of room so you can run in case they strike back.
âThis is from Zachariah Chandler, a member of the Joint Committee on the Conduct of the War as he was questioning McClellan regarding his inability to take offensive movement against the Rebels.=======
Ultimately, McClellan failed, and history has not been kind to failures. Historian Richard N. Current wrote that âMcClellan had his faults. Though fond of Napoleonic poses, he lacked the fighting blood of Bonaparte. He was slow, overcautious, duped by his spiesâ fantastic exaggerations of enemy strength. Yet he had real abilities, particularly in drilling troops and inspiring them with loyalty and trust. To some extent his faults were merely defects of his virtues. He sought to make the most of the Union preponderance in men and resources â to win the war by strategy, not butchery.â 13 McClellan biographer Stephen W. Sears called McClellan âinarguably the worstâ Union general to head the Army of the Potomac. 14 James Russell Lowell wrote in 1864 that McClellan possessed âevery theoretic qualification, but no ardor, no leap, no inspiration. A defensive general in an earthen redoubt not an ensign to rally enthusiasm and inspire devotion.â15 Historian Kenneth P. Williams called McClellan âa vain and unstable man, with considerable military knowledge, who sat a horse well and wanted to be President.â16 Lincoln aides John G. Nicolay and John Hay determined to destroy McClellanâs reputation in their ten-volume biography of the President. âI have toiled and labored through ten chapters over McClellan,â wrote Hay to Nicolay. âI think I have left the impression of his mutinous imbecility, and I have done it in a perfectly courteous mannerâŠIt is of the utmost moment that we should seem fair to him, whileâŠdestroying him.â17 …
http://abrahamlincolnsclassroom.org/abraham-lincolns-contemporaries/abraham-lincoln-and-george-b-mcclellan/
wvParticipant“…fluke injury to the Ramsâ top deep threat resulted in more damage than anticipated.
âHe did just about everything you possibly can to the shoulder,ââ Fisher said. âYou talk about rotator cuff, labrum, bicep tendon, just everything. It was a successful surgery, a successful procedure, but heâs going to be immobilized for quite some time.ââ
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wvParticipantI am not a fan of statements like “I need to learn the game is four quarters long.”
That is a meaningless statement, to me, whether coaches say it or players.
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vhttp://espn.go.com/blog/st-louis-rams/post/_/id/13498/austin-davis-not-the-answer-for-rams-at-qb
Wagoner“I didnât play well enough to win today,” Davis said. “I think the thing Iâm learning really quick is you can play well for three and a half quarters but youâve got to play four. You canât have a single letdown and right now Iâm having those and itâs costing our football team. Iâve got to stay the course, stay strong and keep getting better and eliminate these mistakes, mainly turnovers, that are costing our football team.”
(On the Peterson INTI just underthrew the ball,” Davis said. “I don’t really have an answer for it. I don’t understand it. We got the look we were looking for, I thought Chris ran a good route and won, the ball didn’t go where I wanted it to.”
(On Peterson INT number two)”The second one, I just threw it high and it gets tipped around,” Davis said. “Two critical plays, you can’t turn the football over. We knew coming in that was kind of their thing. They kind of live off the turnover and you saw it there at the end.”
In nine games, Davis’ fourth-quarter passer rating is 68.1 with a QBR of 23.8, which includes a 12.0 and 0.1 on Sunday.
“It can’t happen,” Davis said. “It’s killing our defense. They’re playing their tails off. For me to have those letdowns, it’s really tough. I’ve got to get a lot better and I can’t do that.”
wvParticipantzn wrote:
Eternal Ramnation wrote:
When your OL allows 6 sacks we might as well put Hecker back there. Davis is the perfect fit for this horrible OL as he is durable.He wonât win many but when you allow 6 sacks you donât win anyways.Was that all the OL, though? Itâs an important question. I put as much of that on Davis. I donât think he handles the pressure. There are qbs that handle the blitz, and I donât think that Davis has that yet.
Yeah, I think most of the sacks could be attributed to him holding the ball too long. He was indecisive.
How did Greg Robinson look?
Better than sammy watkins? đ
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wvParticipantWell are there free agent options at QB next year?
Or is the draft the only avenue.Such a strange year/team. Earlier in the year
a lot of us were thinking the QB situation was lookin
pretty good but the defense was a mess.
Now, of course things are reversed, kinda.Year Three, has not turned out well
has it.I wonder what their record would be if Bradford
was healthy? Would they have won more games?
The same? Fewer?w
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November 10, 2014 at 7:22 am in reply to: combined "today's game" & "arizona game lamentations" threads #11542
wvParticipantTypical 2014 Rams — the losses are full
of signs of a good team in the making,
and the wins are full of indications
of a team with issues.w
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wvParticipantwv wrote:
21Dog wrote:
It appears the Austin Davis Bandwagon to Canton has a couple of flat tires.I havent seen the game yet, but i saw the
low-lights, and it looked like the
pick-6 was a catchable ball. Britt
didnt catch it though.I think they still need a WR.
And a QB.w
vBritt could have helped Davis, but it was an off target pass thrown from a short distance.
Yeah, definitely another one of AustinD’s high-balls,
but i’d say 50 percent of it is on Britt. I’ve not
been all that impressed with Britt this year.Davis is obviously, not the answer at QB, btw,
to state the obvious. Granted he’s playing
tough teams, on the road, without Quick, etc.
Still, he’s just too limited.I’m readin Carson is probly done for the
year. ACL, maybe. Too bad. I like the Cards.w
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wvParticipantIt appears the Austin Davis Bandwagon to Canton has a couple of flat tires.
I havent seen the game yet, but i saw the
low-lights, and it looked like the
pick-6 was a catchable ball. Britt
didnt catch it though.I think they still need a WR.
And a QB.w
vNovember 9, 2014 at 8:21 pm in reply to: combined "today's game" & "arizona game lamentations" threads #11505
wvParticipantThe cards just win.
They dont look good,
they just win.Its their year.
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wvParticipantIâve been really frustrated with and critical of this D, but I think that you have to give them credit for that game. Gore was not a factor, the young secondary played as well as you could hope for, and the pass rush was ferocious. The final drive was upsetting. Folding when the game is on the line â even when theyâve been dominating to that point â does seem to haunt them repeatedly, and I it was excruciating to see it again Sunday. RFLâs right that when the game was on the line, only a SF mistake saved the game, but aside from that it looked like an entirely different unit.
Well, i think he’s right and wrong.
Cause what i see out of the Rams D
is a continuous display of good plays
(not just ‘ok’ plays, but ‘good’)
followed by bonehead-awful plays.And that is a different animal
than a defense that just constantly
gets outmuscled or outplayed
play after play.The D is not ‘just’ ‘bad’.
Its good ‘and’ bad.
Its weird.Unfortunately it amounts to the same
thing in the short term — losses.There’s hope for the longterm though.
I think.w
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wvParticipantI predict TA scores on a punt return and some great plays from the Rams special teams. On the passing game the Rams should go with the bigger guys Cook Britt Kendricks. The Cards secondary is very good and the only reason they are able to blitz so much.The Cards OL sucks I predict the wide awake giant (DL) leaves a cleat print on Palmers butt.
Well, i dunno. I dont foresee Palmer holding the ball
very long. I think the Cards will just
dink and dunk and wait for the Rams
to self-destruct.Sure would be inter-esting though,
if the Rams were in last place,
but beat the Seahawks, 49ers and Cards
all in a four game stretch.w
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wvParticipantWell, the Cards remind me of the old Patriots.
Teams lose and cant figure out how it happened.I’d guess the Rams will keep it close
and lose in the fourth quarter as Palmer
drives the length of the field against
the Rams D.w
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wvParticipantWell i guarantee you if it had been a
QB slammed, it woulda been a penalty and fine.
Are the rules different for RBs?w
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Rams at Cardinals: Full Preview of the Week 10 Matchup [www.insidestl.com]
Shane GreyOn Sunday, the St. Louis Rams will square off with the Arizona Cardinals at the University of Phoenix Stadium in a key NFC West matchup. St. Louis will arrive in Glendale with a 3-5 mark after winning two of their last three games. Arizona, meanwhile will enter the action with the NFL’s best record at 7-1.
How are the Cardinals Doing It?
When considering a myriad of statistical barometers, it would appear that the Cardinals are securing victories with smoke and mirrors. In breaking down the numbers, one would be hard-pressed to believe that Arizona is really sitting at 7-1.
Seriously, does the following look like the NFL’s best team to you?Offensively, the Cardinals rank thirty-first in passer percentage, thirtieth in yards per carry and twenty-eighth in rushing yards per game. Defensively, they rank thirtieth in sacks, worst in passing yards per game, No. 25 in passer rating allowed and thirty-first in forced fumbles. In addition, they check in at just a so-so fourteenth in both scoring offense and points allowed per game.
So, how have the Cardinals managed to reel off the league’s best won-loss percentage this season when considering the above? As is often the case, numbers don’t always tell the entire story. For example, Arizona’s aforementioned last place passing D is probably at least a little better than it appears on paper.
“Theyâre getting up and teams are just throwing it and going two-minute,” Rams Head Coach Jeff Fisher explained this week. “Theyâre giving up plays just to protect the end zone and things like that. Itâs very, very misleading.â
St. Louis quarteback Austin Davis essentially reiterated Fisher’s thoughts on the Arizona air D.
âI think stats can be very misleading,” Davis suggested. “Obviously, their recordâs great so teams are down and theyâre throwing the ball more late in the game. Theyâre softening up and giving up yards. We donât look a lot at the stats. Theyâre definitely really good at stopping the run and weâre going to have to throw and complete the ball and do some things in the passing game.â
According to Arizona Head Coach Bruce Arians, much of their success boils down to knowing how to close out games. While the Rams have struggled to finish several contests that they could have won, the Cardinals consistently find ways to perform successfully late in the action.
âI think that weâve played hard for 60 minutes and kind of found ways to win games,” Arians said in a conference call this week. “I donât think weâre anything special, but weâve managed to win ball games in fourth quarters. Thatâs very hard to do. I think theyâve learned thatâs when games are won and lost. Most teams, itâs very hard to teach a team how to win. You find ways to do that and then you start believing that itâs going to happen.”
Cardinals quartback Carson Palmer echoed similar thoughts to Arians in regard to finishing games off.
“What weâve done a good job at is beating the teams weâre supposed to and then we close games out against good teams. The last two years, weâve really been a fourth quarter team.”
Avoiding and Creating Interceptions
Two of the major keys to Arizona’s success to the midway point of the docket has been its ability to avoid throwing interceptions — the fewest in the NFL with just two — and its propensity for securing picks — the second most in the league at twelve. Overall, the Cardinals are plus twelve in turnover differential, the second best such number in the category league-wide.
Offensively, Palmer’s quick release has been a contributing factor in their low rate of interceptions.
“We donât hold on to balls now to see a guy come open, weâre throwing them open,” Arians said. “So the interceptions are down. That, and you quit forcing the ball to one guy and start spreading it around to eight or nine. He (Palmer) has done a great job of that and just taking what a defense gives him.âDefensively, the Cardinals have corraled the NFL’s second most picks, something that certainly has not gone unnoticed by either the Rams head coach or the club’s quarterback.
âWell, theyâre creating pressure and theyâre making plays,” Fisher said. “Theyâre a good man-to-man cover team and everybodyâs having opportunities to get their hands on the balls and theyâre making the plays.â
âYeah, I think a lot of their turnovers have come from pressure looks and guys just making bad decisions,” Davis suggested Wednesday. “I think we can do a good job of getting balls completed in those looks. Thereâs a lot of grass to run (after the catch). Itâs kind of a high risk, high reward type of defense. So far this year there’s been a lot of reward.”
Davis, for his part, realizes he and his offense must do a steller job at protecting the pigskin.
“Weâve got do a great job of protecting the football,” Davis said, “and that starts with me making better decisions and the running backs holding onto to the rock and the receivers doing the same”
A week ago, a stingy St. Louis defense helped overcome Davis’ two turnovers in the week nine win. This week, however, the Rams likely will struggle to triumph if Davis again turns it over twice.
Will Davis Respond?
Speaking of Davis, how well will the Rams young signal caller bounce back from his worst start as a pro, one that culminated in just 105 passing yards, a paltry 44.6 rating and two picks?
At least according to St. Louis Offensive Coordinator Brian Schottenheimer, he should rebound just fine.“A couple weeks back when we were playing really, really well he was the same guy,” Schottenheimer asserted. “Heâs the same guy now. He adjusts well. He sees things really, really well. On the interception last week, he said, âHey I saw the guy, I thought I could get over him.â The one (S Antoine) Bethea got, he just underthrew that one. Again, just very, very poised and he handles all the adjustments and things we do really, really well.”
As for what Arizona expects from Davis, if it is indicative of what their head coach conveyed, they are anticipating solid play from the Rams QB.
“Iâm really impressed with Austin Davis,” Arians said. “I know a lot about Southern Mississippi, and when you break Brettâs (Favre) records youâve done something special. I really think this kid has a great future. He can make every throw. Heâs mobile, but heâs not looking to run, heâs looking to throw.”
Can the Rams Maintain Balance Vs. Arizona’s Run D?
More often than not, NFL offenses are at their best when they are relatively balanced. It makes them generally less predictable, helps keep defenses honest and aids in setting up the play action pass.
It came as no surprise, then, when Schottenheimer suggested that his St. Louis offense was most effective when it had a somewhat equal ratio of runs to passes: “Weâre at our best when weâre balanced and when we can get the running game going,” Schotteneimer said.
Of course, maintaining a balanced approach may be easier said than done against the Cardinals run defense, a unit that is ranked second-best in regard to rushing yards allowed per game and third-best in terms of yards per carry relinquished.
One of the major challenges in putting together a productive ground game against Arizona is their frequency of putting extra players in the box.
âNumber one, itâs an eight-man front,” Schottenheimer said.”Theyâve got safeties down all around the line of scrimmage. They jam the front. The linebackers play as fast downhill across the line of scrimmage as probably anybody Iâve seen. Itâs just an aggressive scheme. They move, they penetrate, they knock people back… which makes it hard to find running lanes.”
If the Rams are to get their run game going, it more than likely will again come via a diversified, back-by-committee approach, as Fisher has not named a starter there and spoke of utilizing any number of runners against the Cardinals.
Eying Ellington
Staying on the running back theme, Arizona’s Andre Ellington is a highly productive, do-it-all performer from the Cardinals backfield.
The second year Clemson alum is not only on pace to chew up over 1,000 yards on the ground this fall, but is also on track to reel in over 60 receptions.While not in the same caliber of a Jamal Charles or Marshall Faulk, Ellington is highly versatile and cut from a similar cloth.
“Theyâre using him out of the backfield,” Fisher stated. “He free releases a lot. They create match-ups on linebackers and defensive backs. Heâs got great quickness. Then they use him in the running game. Heâll bounce outside or cutback. (He’s) a lot like (Chiefs Rcool smiley Jamaal Charles.â
On Sunday, the St. Louis defense will have to account for Ellington on all downs and in all situations. Arizona will use him in any number of ways, and the Rams will have to be ready for the multifaceted back at all times.
Brown Is Ballin’
When the Cardinals drafted wide receiver John Brown in the third round of the 2014 NFL Draft, they surely couldn’t have hoped for much more than they have received in year one from the Division II Pittsburgh State product.
Through eight games, the 5’10” Brown has turned in four touchdowns, 24 catches and a 14.6 yard per catch average.
Brown, with 4.3 speed, already has a 100 yard game and a 75 yard TD on his brand-new professional resume.
To this stage, his play has certainly pleased his head coach.
âJohn is an explosive player,” Arians said. “He can take a short pass and take it to the house or he can just take the top off the coverage. But heâs fearless. I was shocked he dropped a ball over the middle for the first time last Sunday. It was like âWhoa. Maybe he is human for a rookie,â you know? Because he has a very mature attitude, just like a five year vet when it comes to preparation already.â
His quarterback, Palmer, is just as impressed.
âJohn Brown, the young rookie, heâs just done a phenomenal job,” Palmer asserted. “Heâs extremely smart. Heâs come in and learned the offense really fast and itâs not a very simple offense, especially for a receiver that plays multiple situations. Heâs come in and really just picked up everything quickly and asked the right questions and done the right things to warrant play time.”
Certainly, it hasn’t hurt Brown’s cause that he has been mentored and led by the example that is future Hall of Fame receiver Larry Fitzgerald.
“Larryâs just a true pro,” Palmer said of his veteran wideout. “He comes in and he works his butt off every day. He leads by example and shows the young guys what it takes to work and what it takes to be great.”
Fitzgerald, 31, is still highly productive and remains the go-to guy in the Arizona offense. To date, Fitzgerald has racked up 35 receptions, 14.7 yards per catch and two scores.
“Larryâs still very, very good,” Fisher said. “He has just a big catch radius that makes him so hard (to cover).”
Is Sack City Back for Good?
A week ago, the Rams more than doubled their previous season-long sack total of six by exploding with eight of them against the 49ers.
One cannot help but wonder if the suddenly resurgent St. Louis pass rush will continue to resemble their preseason #sackcity touting, or will they look more like the unit that was last in the league in sacks for much of the campaign?Even though the Cardinals’ Palmer is not one of the more fleet-of-foot QBs the Rams will face, he is good at avoiding pressure and he’s been sacked the eighth least to this point of 2014.
âHeâs really good in the pocket, he steps up and heâll step up in either gap if you get the outside rush,” Fisher said. “He has a good feel for moving in the pocket. What heâs done for years is he keeps his eyes down field. The eyes donât come off on the rush. His eyes are down field all the time. Heâs got a natural, instinctive movement and flow in the pocket and thatâs what makes him affective.
Thatâs why heâs not getting sacked very often.”Palmer certainly isn’t an easy guy to successfully pressure, but St. louis needs to at least make him unfomfortable in the pocket on Sunday to disrupt the Arizona air game and possibly add an interception or two to the Cardinals league low total of just two picks.
November 7, 2014 at 5:16 pm in reply to: Is Bruce Arians an "offensive genius" ? + Arians wired v. Washington #11387
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Darren Urban on CardsNovember 7, 2014 at 9:38 am in reply to: Is Bruce Arians an "offensive genius" ? + Arians wired v. Washington #11374
wvParticipanthttp://espn.go.com/blog/arizona-cardinals/post/_/id/10381/10381
(on Austin Davis)
âI think heâs a guy that can extend plays,â safety Tyrann Mathieu said. âI think the blitz gets to him. Heâll just throw the ball up. Weâll have a chance to make a play. I think at the end of the day, though, teams are going to try to come and run the football on us, so I think thatâs what the Rams are going to do.âI donât think theyâre going to put the game in Austin Davisâ hands.â
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November 6, 2014 at 9:42 pm in reply to: Bill Polian Explains Faulk Deal, & Drafting James Over Ricky Williams #11362
wvParticipantSo, I read what I wrote earlier â it made no sense to me either. So, Iâm still norminal right?
Peyton Manning playing his second season was part of the turn around I would think.
Well i understood the first post,
but not this one.Anyway, only abnorminal posters
post here.w
vNovember 6, 2014 at 6:26 pm in reply to: Bill Polian Explains Faulk Deal, & Drafting James Over Ricky Williams #11344
wvParticipantRicky Williams was an inter esting character.
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S.I. Vaulthttp://www.si.com/vault/2000/03/20/276809/lone-star-ricky-williams-was-hailed-as-a-savior-when-he-arrived-in-new-orleans-but-his-hearts-still-in-texas-and-his-heads-someplace-else-far-away-in-a-world-of-his-own
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….Williams, who says only winning will improve his attitude, also
would prefer to “take all the guys from UT and put them on the
Saints. It’s not just the quality of the players, it’s the
quality of the people they were and the way they played for each
other. There was a deep sense of pride [at Texas]. Like my
linemen–they were so proud. When they missed a block and I got
hit in the backfield, they would be right there and say, ‘I’m
sorry, Ricky.’ You could see in their eyes that it really hurt
them. In New Orleans when I got hit in the backfield, they’d
pick me up but I never once heard anyone say, ‘I’ll get them
next time,’ or anything at all. I don’t know what the problem
was. I think they were too worried about themselves.”
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âŠWhat hurt most, he says, was not that he’d negotiated a bad
deal, but that he felt as if his teammates had lost respect for
him and didn’t think he was smart for signing such a contract.
“Hopefully the Saints will come to me and address [the
contract],” he says. “But I don’t think they will. Last season
it bothered me to the point where I thought I would feel better
playing if I had a better deal. Because we had a tough season,
it made the contract even worse. I think if I was healthy, I’d
have hit those numbers. I thought I had a chance until I hurt my
toe [in mid-November].” Williams shakes his head. “I got zero
help,” he says, referring to his teammates.
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âŠWilliams traveled to New
Orleans to check on his house and to meet Jim Haslett, the
former Pittsburgh Steelers defensive coordinator who was hired
to replace Ditka. “He doesn’t say, ‘How’s your elbow?'” says
Williams. “He says, ‘Have you been working out?'” (The answer to
that question is no. Williams, still nursing his injuries,
hasn’t worked out at all since the season ended.)
“His questions bothered me,” Williams says. “And the way, if you
ever meet a football coach, they always look you up and down
before they say anything to you. It’s their job, I guess, but it
didn’t make me feel like a person.”“I was in there and Coach Haslett says, ‘Ricky, I’ve heard so
many things about you, it’s hard not to prejudge you before I
meet you,'” says Williams. “He said, ‘I don’t want to do it, but
I’ve heard from people upstairs and the p.r. staff that you come
whenever you want and do whatever you want, and Coach [Ditka]
never did anything about it, never punished you or anything.’ He
said, ‘Ricky, with me that’s going to have to change.’ I looked
at him and said, ‘It’s not that bad, Coach.'” …. see link..
wvParticipantShotty is doing the game planning wv, Fisher has said himself that he will occasionally make in game suggestions, but its on the OC.
So the OC reigned Davis in.
Davis is making awful decisions, and even though he has played better defenses lately, there were many. many plays that he left on the field. The OC has down a tremendous job of drawing up plays and Davis is pissing them away. Iâm talking routine plays heâs missing, not anything extraordinary that you would expect from an elite qb.
It makes me ill because Iâm ready to win games, past ready.
IF Fisher was in âwin nowâ mode he would go back to Hill.
Unfortunately he painted himself into a corner and probably wonât!Always good to see you on the board, La.
Yeah, i’ve been disappointed in Austin lately.
I was excited about him after the first few games,
but i thiink i over-valued his escape-from-the-pocket-trick.Ah well.
Do you think Chris Long will make any difference
on the D, when he comes back?w
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wvParticipantwv wrote:
I glanced at that and thot it said â
âhey sarcasmâ.
And i thot, do we have a
sarcasm-ram now?w
vYeah, thatâs REAL likely.
Yeah, but do
Ineffable-ram now.w
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wvParticipantI glanced at that and thot it said ‘
“hey sarcasm”.
And i thot, do we have a
sarcasm-ram now?w
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wvParticipantCrazylegs wrote:
Protect Davis and give him time and itâs a different Rams offense.I actually think itâs the other way around. Davis doesnât yet know how to counter the blitz. A qb is supposed to see that stuff pre-snap and adjust accordingly. Audible if thereâs time, throw to a hot read and so on. If that werenât true, then, blitzes would always work and no offense would ever burn the blitz and all qbs would be under duress every play. But actually offenses can make defenses stop blitzing by making the blitz costly. (There have certainly been several games this year where opposing offenses ate up the Rams defense when it blitzed.) All that depends on the qb however, and Davis does not have that yet, it seems. He also fails to see players downfield when he abandons the pocket, or mis-times his throws sometimes when he abandons the pocket. So I donât think the issue is the line as much as the qb. In fact I think Davis himself is well aware of this. He talked about it after the Vikes game, that the sacks were on him not the OL, because he wasnât getting into a rhythm and timing throws from the pocket. You see games where he is aware of that, and you see games where he forgets that.
Well i think its both the PassBlockers
‘and’ AustinD. There have been times
Jake and Wells and others have just
stunk.I kinda like the new line with GR
at LT. He’ll make mistakes
but he’ll get better every game
and be a force out there, i would think.w
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wvParticipantTackleDummy wrote:
Without playing in any regular season NFL game before this season, Austin Davis this year in 8 games is 163 completions out of 254 passing attempts (64.2%) for 1785 yards (7.0 average). He has 11 TDs and 7 INTs. His passer rating is 87.8.
Doubling everything he would end the season with 326 completions out of 508 attempts (64.2%) for 3570 yards (7.0 average). He would have 22 TDs and 14 INTs. His passer rating would still be 87.8.For comparisons, Sam Bradford in his rookie year, 2010 was 354 completions out of 590 passing attempts (60.0%) for 3512 yards (6.0 average). He had 18 TDs and 15 INTs. with a 70.5 passer rating.
So it would seem to me that Austin Davis is on track for a slightly better year than Bradford had as a rookie.
And yet there are people who think Austin Davis has reached his ceiling. That he cannot improve. That he might not be able to âcome backâ after what they consider a sub-par game. This is the same Austin Davis who went from being cut a year ago to becoming the starting QB this year and producing numbers like our former NFL offensive rookie of the year. Really? He has shown he has the ability to improve his game greatly. He has shown a great work ethic in doing so. And people are already ready to write him off after only a half of season.
SORRY, I JUST DONâT GET THE LOGIC (OR LACK THEREOF).
I don ât know where Davisâs ceiling is. But I am pretty sure he has not reached it. Nor will he reach it this year and probably not next year. He will keep improving for a while yet.
Apples and oranges. There is a huge difference in the quality of players (and coaches) that Bradford had around him his rookie year compared to what Davis has now.
I thought the Seattle game was pretty revealing,
and interesting. I mean, AustinD completed, like
18 of 21 or somethin like that, but they were
almost all dinks and dunks. Fisher reigned him
in. Didnt trust him to throw it downfield.Now maybe they can win with that formula,
sometimes, or even often, but i dont think
thats how the gameplan would have looked
if Bradford had been in there.I’m concerned that the Rams cant count
on Bradford or AustinD to be ‘the guy’
in the coming years.I guess we’ll see.
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vNovember 5, 2014 at 9:06 pm in reply to: Robert Quinn Talks Final Play Against 49ers on NFL AM #11297
wvParticipantOn NFL AM, Robert Quinn breaks down the final play against the 49ers and also previews Sundayâs game against the Cardinals. (4:04)
http://www.rams-news.com/robert-quinn-talks-final-play-against-49ers-video/Centaurs?
Sigh.
I guess i’m an old curmudgeon now.
Give me Greg Cosell.w
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wvParticipantMan he is playing a LOT of top 5 defenses lately, without Quick now. If he can cut down on the intâs, than heâs my guyâŠ. But he has to cut down on them
Yes, he’s played tough defenses,
without Quick. And no-one can tell the future, so, sure,
maybe he will end up improving and being a
good starter.But my eyeballs have made me skeptical.
Sure looks to me like teams have figured out
what he does best and they’ve taken it away.
I no longer think he will turn out to be
a quality starter.
But who knows.
I hope he turns out to be the next
Kenny Anderson.At any rate, if the rams can
rush the passer and run the ball
they can win with a decent
“game manager-QB”w
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wvParticipanti donât know. fisher made it pretty clear davis was the starter going forward. i donât think that means heâs not trying to win, but i do believe he needs to determine what exactly they have in davis.
or maybe davis sucks again next week, and they determine heâs not starting qb materialâŠ
Well, when Fisher made that statement AustinD was
looking purty good, i think. He aint looked
good in a while, and it dont look like he’s
improving to me. Looks like he’s got limitations.I no longer think he can be “the guy.”
He’s certainly not a ‘bum’ though. He’s
fiesty, and hangs in there, and can
spin around and extend plays and make some
throws. But when he has to stay in the pocket
he’s startin to remind me of Pat Haden,
who was also fiesty and a gamer, but not
“the guy” cause he had limitations.w
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wvParticipantInvaderRam wrote:
i think heâs got the physical skills. i think at this point itâs just learning the position. if he can continue to grow into the position heâll be fine. if not then rams are looking for a new qb.I try to be as objective as I can in my first post in this thread.
BUt this is a complicated issue and I have mixed feelings.
Personally, I donât like the idea of this season becoming the âsee if Davis can play project.â
I am very âwin now.â They have the future in which to figure out the future. Or to put that more narrowly, they have the off-season to figure out the next season.
If it were me and he falters again, I would just start Hill. I wouldn;t even hesitate.
From what I saw of Hill in this offense, he can play, and his strengths as a qb are pretty much the opposite of Davisâs weaknesses.
It is fair and realistic, I think, to ask if AD can rebound.
But. My âwin nowâ attitude also has me wary of that. So he doesnât have too long to prove he can, in my book.
Yeah, i agree with that.
I dont think Fisher is playing Davis just to
“see if he can play.” Fisher is always in
win-now mode it seems to me.If AustinD sucks again next week,
i think Fisher will switch.
Though, i’m not sure its a good thing
to be the QB that gets to start against Denver.w
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wvParticipantIf the Rams can run the ball — he’ll rebound.
If not, he wont đw
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wvParticipantI think this gets down to confidence again.
Davis made a couple of huge mistakes in the SF game, but the Rams didnât fold this time like they did with huge mistakes by other players against other teams. Thatâs IMO because the team believes itâs always âin itâ with a West opponent.
When i watch the Cardinal defense,
the players just look like they are always
in a good position to make the tackle.
When i compare it to the Rams, it seems like
the Ram players are always lunging and
over-running or almost-over-running things.
There’s just a sense that the cards Defenders
are not running around as much. I dunno.w
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