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Well, like i said i wouldnt let him ‘buy the groceries.’ I’d pair him with a good personnel guy and just let Martz handle the game stuff.
But this is all academic message-board silliness (which is fine), coz Martz is not gonna be the next coach, and Kronkenstein is gonna keep Fishbrain for another year or two. …which should make some fans…um……is there a word for raging-homicidal/forlorn-suicidal ?
I like Martz more than you, btw, because I like FUN football
and YOU like Boring football.w
vBTW, threads work better when instead of just hitting “quote,” posters use their cursor to blue out the part they want to quote, and THEN hit “quote”…and then all the mess is left out, and your poor overworked mod doesn’t have to do so many fix-it silent edits.
That aside.
Paragraph 1. I think Martz had flaws in the game stuff too, he was just working with superior talent, which of course he maximized.
Paragraph 2. I too think that SK keeps Fisher. I also want to avoid the raging-homicidal/forlorn-suicidal posting types on that …. which isn’t here, we’re too balanced (and small) to let the Knights Templar dominate. We’re more into the “informal poll” approach.
Paragraph 3. I like boring football only when it’s fun.
I’d be shocked if he were extended at this point. Why wait? Why let him twist in the wind?
He’s had his chance to build a winner. He’s thrown an immense amount of resources at the offense, then hires coaches with little or no imagination for offense. Okay, so he lost a QB to injury. So what? Look at this team at this moment in time. We cannot score points. The scheme is tantamount to drawing plays in the sand. It’s a 1970s offense. And to quote that scene in Cool Hand Luke…”that’s the way he wants it.” The last four games bears this out. Hell, the last five years bears this out.
As for Martz..sure, he had a hand in dismantling a great team. Hindsight being 20-20, he should have had a strong football GM. Very few coaches can run the whole show- Parcells, Walsh and Billicek come to mind. The bulk of blame should be laid squarely on Georgia, Zygmunt and Shaw for that disaster. Lawyers and accountants that should not have been a mile from a football field. And I submit that Warner and Bulger wouldn’t have even made a Fisher team.
In my opinion, the team needs an offensive guru to coach up a very malleable young quarterback and bring the scheme into the 21st century.
Five years, no winning seasons. SK is a ruthless businessman. Do you really believe he would allow his companies to drift under a stubborn, intransigent leader like Fisher?
I don’t think so.
Anyway, if Fisher is fired some names that would interest me to replace him include Kyle Shanahan, Rob Chudzinski, David Shaw and Jim Harbaugh. Although, if I’m Shaw or Harbaugh I would never want to leave my college gig.
Shaw is a Fisher clone. No.
Martz inherited a built team and then destroyed it.
Damn I sure wish some young aggressive offensive genius would come and destroy the Rams to 2 Super Bowls 5 trips to the playoffs in six years 3 consecutive seasons over 500 points again.;) Martz is a pipe-dream though too old and health concerns, I doubt he’d take the job.
To be honest I don’t remember the Linehan implosion , I think I just went remote ,lots of bow hunting but I do remember the Spags/Fisher transition and resulting “Is it a rebuild or just a few players debate and your position was the latter . It’s seems like you are extremely hard on Martz , the winningest coach in Rams history as compared to anyone else ?
We do have some minor disagreements here. I have a way, it seems, of non-plussing guys who admire Martz. On the disagreements, fwiw. Martz went to one superbowl. Vermeil went to the other and at that point Martz was coordinating the team Vermeil built. I was a Martz critic going back to 2000. Not a harsh one, but the fact that he is “winningest”? Well he was as long as he had Vermeil’s team. That started to decline. My main point about that is, given the team he did inherit, he was just going to win. I mean, any good coach would have won with those players…not any good coach would have set records with them though so there’s that.
It’s true they rebuilt the defense in 2001, but actually part of that is that he promoted a few guys who were already there, too–the new starters on the 2001 defense were not all new additions. Guys like Bly, Little and Zgonia were already there. IMO that defense and its effectiveness was greatly helped by Little emerging. He had 14.5 sacks that year, his best season.
Linehan, it was a lot of things. Right up there is the fact that he never had a healthy offensive line. He lost the players.
In fact yes Fisher kept a number of pre-2012 players, and that is driven home by comparing the Rams to what Carroll did in Seattle, which was to really clean house. Largely that difference was because Spags/Devaney were better at drafting than the guys who preceded Carroll were. So what Fisher kept was some talented starters and some effective role players In fact last year, before letting CL and JL go for this year, the Rams had 8 key players from the pre-2012 years…which is a lot for 4 years into a regime. Now it’s down to 6. To compare, Carrol has none from before he was there. Again, though, that;s because Fisher had some good players to keep, while Carrol basically got next to nothing.
Either way, Fisher did not inherit an entire, hyper-talented superbowl team. He did inherit some players well worth keeping. But what he did inherit did not amount to a “team any good coach could win with,” like the 2000 Rams were.
Some think I take too much away from Martz. Okay, I might. Maybe I do.
if they do decide to go in a different direction, i can say that this should be an attractive gig. a talented defense, talent in the backfield. and i credit fisher for that.
one other thing i was thinking is they keep fisher and hire a new oc. maybe a hot oc candidate who fisher can hand the reins to in a couple years when fisher steps down to a cozy front office job…
one can hope anyway.
I don’t see Schott as having failed.
I think Cigz was fired because of behind closed doors stuff.
I am not convinced Boras is a problem. I think a lot of things are going on.
Fisher, like all head coaches who aren’t their own coordinators, has a lot of say over the offensive approach. And rightly so. But that’s league wide. Heck, Vermeil promised Martz that the offense was exclusively his, but then when he was miked, you could hear DV saying stuff about the general approach to things and about situational football. So I don’t see Fisher as being different from anyone else when it comes to that.
Calling Schottenheimer’s tenure with the Rams as being positive is definitely debatable, but I don’t think there is much doubt that Cignetti’s and now Boras’s tenures have been train wrecks. This version of the Ram offense is as bad as any Austin Davis/Kellen Clemens/Shawn Hill (injury riddled) led offense in previous years. This team has had the (For the Rams, unicorn type) rarity of nearly perfect health while compiling the 31st ranked team in total YPG, 32nd (Dead last in the entire NFL) in PPG, 29th in both Rushing YPG and Rushing YPA, 28th in Passing YPG….there is more, but I don’t even want to look its just too depressing.
Obviously, Goff is a very possible bright spot in the near future, but with the continued offensive ineptness year after year with this coaching staff, I simply don’t have any confidence that they could even approach just “average”. If we didn’t see a marked improvement this year, why should we expect significant improvement going into next year? We don’t have any real premium draft picks, and the offensive FA signings under this regime have been very underwhelming. I just don’t see it….
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