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    zn
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    U.S. Senator Al Franken

    “…the women that would lead this country would be pro-family, they would have husbands, they would love their children. They wouldn’t be a bunch of dykes that came from the Seven Sisters schools up in New England.”

    “Fear is a good thing.”

    “…turn on the hate…”

    These are just a few of the things that Steve Bannon—a white nationalist who for years has stoked hatred—has said over the course of his career. In his victory speech, President-elect Trump pledged that he would be a president for all Americans. But the decision to name Bannon as his Chief Strategist is directly at odds with that pledge. Bannon’s alt-right website Breitbart News has provided a platform for racism, sexism, homophobia, and anti-Semitism.

    White supremacists have made it clear that they see Bannon as their advocate in a Trump Administration, which is not only disturbing, but also dangerous for millions upon millions of people in Minnesota and across the country. Steve Bannon should not be allowed to hold any position in the White House, let alone one that would allow him to make critical decisions about how our country is run. If he truly seeks to unite America, Donald Trump can start by finding someone else to advise him. And do it immediately.

    #58697
    zn
    Moderator

    Just stuff from different sources.

    ***

    Steve Bannon: “Trump is a product of a seething populism and nationalism that is the driving political force.”
    “Are there racist people involved in the alt-right? Absolutely.”
    “I do not believe we have a major race problem in this country. I just don’t.”

    ***

    from Karen Hunter’s program on SiriusXM radio in July, Bannon denied systemic racism too. How? Well using his own life experience, of course:

    I don’t think it’s a systemic race problem in this country … My own life experience. I’ve just seen in communities like Richmond, Virginia and in the United States military when I was a naval officer … I don’t see systemic racism in the military. I don’t see systemic racism in these communities.”

    ***

    Then he went on to localize that fun thing that white people say when they note that President Obama is black, as though that means everything is fixed: “Cities like Richmond and Baltimore and Philadelphia have black mayors, have black city councils, have black police commissioners. How can it be systemically racist if these men and women today are actually in control of the city?”

    ***

    Here is a sampling of some articles published during Mr. Bannon’s tenure that drew criticism:

    • “Birth Control Makes Women Unattractive and Crazy” A December 2015 article by Milo Yiannopoulos, who was later barred from Twitter when he was accused of inciting racist and sexist attacks on the actress Leslie Jones, told women that birth control “makes you fat,” “makes your voice unsexy,” “makes you jiggle wrong,” “makes you a slut” and “makes you unsexy all the time.”

    • “Roger Stone: Huma Abedin ‘Most Likely a Saudi Spy’ With ‘Deep, Inarguable Connections’ to ‘Global Terrorist Entity’” A June 2016 article by Dan Riehl chronicled the belief of Mr. Stone, a Trump adviser, that Ms. Abedin, an aide to Hillary Clinton, was connected to a terrorist conspiracy.

    • “There’s No Hiring Bias Against Women in Tech, They Just Suck at Interviews” A July 2016 article by Mr. Yiannopoulos argued that it was women’s fault that tech firms hired so few of them.

    • “The Solution to Online ‘Harassment’ Is Simple: Women Should Log Off” A July 2016 article by Mr. Yiannopoulos argued that women were “screwing up the internet for men by invading every space we have online and ruining it with attention-seeking and a needy, demanding, touchy-feely form of modern feminism.”

    ***

    Bannon also argued that “the progressive narrative … is all about victimhood,” and suggested that the push for equal rights for minorities is about unfairly claiming they were being oppressed. According to BuzzFeed, Bannon said, They’re either a victim of race. They’re victim of their sexual preference. They’re a victim of gender. All about victimhood and the United States is the great oppressor, not the great liberator.

    ***

    Then, according to The Hill, there was the more recent article, written about Weekly Standard editor Bill Kristol, which he titled, “Bill Kristol: Republican spoiler, renegade Jew.” Some have argued, of course, that Yiannopoulos, not Bannon, should be the only criticized for these pieces (and, uh, to be clear, he totally should), but according to Vanity Fair, Bannon was behind Yiannopoulos all the way, and told the magazine, “did you hear about Milo? It’s great.”

    ***

    But while Bannon seems to consider himself separate from anyone identifying as a racist, according to NBC News, in a sworn declaration in a 2007 court filing, Bannon’s ex-wife accused him of making anti-Semitic comments about their daughters’ private school, The Archer School for Girls. According to the document, Bannon said, “…the biggest problem he had with Archer is the number of Jews that attend. He said that he doesn’t like Jews and that he doesn’t like the way they raise their kids to be ‘whiney brats’ and that he didn’t want the girls going to school with Jews.” In a tweet Sunday, John Weaver, former chief strategist for Ohio Gov. John Kasich’s presidential campaign, took Bannon to task, calling him a “racist” and an “anti-Semite.” But Bannon’s rep denied that he made any anti-Semitic remarks, and told NBC “Mr. Bannon never said anything like that and proudly sent the girls to Archer for their middle school and high school educations.” (Romper’s request for comment was not immediately returned.)

    ***

    On charges of anti-Semitism from former Breitbart editor-at-large Ben Shapiro “Are there anti-Semitic people involved in the alt-right? Absolutely. Are there racist people involved in the alt-right? Absolutely. But I don’t believe that the movement overall is anti-Semitic.”

    ***

    The Southern Poverty Law Center Has Described Breitbart as Being on the ‘Extremist Fringe’
    Trump campaign CEO and former executive chairman of Breitbart News Steve Bannon arrives for the Wisconsin rally. The center, which tracks hate groups in the country, labeled Breitbart part of the “extremist fringe of the conservative right. Racist ideas. Anti-Muslim and anti-immigrant ideas –– all key tenets making up an emerging racist ideology known as the ‘alt-right.’” The SPLC defined the alt-right as “a loose set of far-right ideologies at the core of which is a belief that ‘white identity’ is under attack through policies prioritizing multiculturalism, political correctness and social justice and must be preserved, usually through white-identified online communities and physical ethno-states.”

    ***

    Mother Jones says Breitbart has cheered “white nationalist groups as an ‘eclectic mix of renegades,’ accusing President Barack Obama of importing ‘more hating Muslims,’ and waging an incessant war against the purveyors of ‘political correctness.’” Mother Jones quoted Bannon as denying the alt-right is “inherently racist. He describes its ideology as ‘nationalist,’ though not necessarily white nationalist.” Mother Jones said he compared the Alt-Right to European nationalist parties and said, “If you look at the identity movements over there in Europe, I think a lot of [them] are really ‘Polish identity’ or ‘German identity,’ not racial identity. It’s more identity toward a nation-state.”

    ***

    Under Bannon’s Leadership, Breitbart Openly Embraced The White Supremacist Alt-Right. Andrew Breitbart despised racism. Truly despised it. He used to brag regularly about helping to integrate his fraternity at Tulane University. He insisted that racial stories be treated with special care to avoid even the whiff of racism. With Bannon embracing Trump, all that changed. Now Breitbart has become the alt-right go-to website, with Yiannopoulos pushing white ethno-nationalism as a legitimate response to political correctness, and the comment section turning into a cesspool for white supremacist mememakers.

    ***

    Daily Wire editor-in-chief, former Breitbart editor, and vocal Bannon critic Ben Shapiro called the claims that Bannon is racist “overstated,” he noted that Bannon has nonetheless courted the alt-right and the anti-Semitism and racism that go along with it, and he will do so as long as it serves his purposes: “The alt-right, in a nutshell, believes that Western culture is inseparable from European ethnicity. I have no evidence Bannon believes that personally. But he’s happy to pander to those people and make common cause with them in order to transform conservatism into European far-right nationalist populism. That means that the alt-right will cheer Bannon along as he marbles Trump’s speeches with talk of “globalism” — and that Bannon won’t be pushing Trump to dump the racists and anti-Semites who support Trump anytime soon. After all, they love Bannon — actual white supremacists like Peter Brimelow called his August appointment “great news,” and Richard Spencer explained, “Breitbart has elective affinities with the Alt Right, and the Alt Right has clearly influenced Breitbart. In this way, Breitbart has acted as a ‘gateway’ to Alt Right ideas and writers. I don’t think it has done this deliberately; again, it’s a matter of elective affinities.” That doesn’t mean Bannon will push racist or anti-Semitic policy, or that he’ll be anti-Israel himself — unless it serves his interests.”

    ***

    Bannon: “When two-thirds or three-quarters of the CEOs in Silicon Valley are from South Asia or from Asia, I think . . . ” he didn’t finish his sentence. “A country is more than an economy. We’re a civic society.” While Bannon didn’t explicitly say anything against immigrants, he seemed to hint at the idea of a white nationalist identity with the phrase “civic society.”

    ***

    In the wake of Trump’s election, the number of racist and anti-Semitic attacks across the nation has exploded, a fact many experts attribute to the “normalizing effect” of Trump’s bigoted campaign rhetoric, a sort of, “Well, if the president of the United States can say it, why can’t I?” Bannon appears to support an ideal of America that he calls a “civic society,” with Judeo-Christian values and implicitly white, European roots. In a recently unearthed tape of Trump appearing on Bannon’s radio show, the future White House strategist questioned why so many South Asians were working in Silicon Valley. The economic benefits of such highly skilled immigrants, Bannon told Trump, do not outweigh the negative impact on what Bannon incorrectly labeled American “civic society.”

    ***

    Here are headlines about diversity and multiculturalism from Breitbart.com that have been posted under Bannon’s leadership as the site’s executive chairman:

    ***

    ME: anyway enough for now.

    #58702
    — X —
    Participant

    ME: I have dozens and dozens of quotes from prominent Jews (is it anti-Semitic to say Jew now?), including scholars on the subject who actually investigated this, endorsing Bannon and debunking claims of anti-Semitism. But I’m not gonna do it yet. I’m going to sit back wide-eyed and watch this all unfold in amazement. Well, actually, not amazement. This is becoming the norm now. It’s like the Kevin Bacon game. “I can tie [insert name] to [insert hate group] in less than 7 steps.” Providing a platform for something is not endorsing something, and it certainly doesn’t make you an anti-Semite.

    Then, according to The Hill, there was the more recent article, written about Weekly Standard editor Bill Kristol, which he titled, “Bill Kristol: Republican spoiler, renegade Jew.” Some have argued, of course, that Yiannopoulos, not Bannon, should be the only criticized for these pieces (and, uh, to be clear, he totally should), but according to Vanity Fair, Bannon was behind Yiannopoulos all the way, and told the magazine, “did you hear about Milo? It’s great.”

    lol.

    David Horowitz (a Jew) wrote that article. A Jew writing about another Jew is not anti-Semitic, and it doesn’t make Bannon anti-Semitic by virtue of transitive property.

    Horowitz: “CNN, which has been particularly vicious, did a nasty attack on Bannon using another of the thinnest reeds available: This was a headline at Breitbart.com calling Bill Kristol a “renegade Jew.” In fact, neither Breitbart nor Bannon is responsible for that statement. A Jew is. I wrote the article, which was neither requested nor commissioned by Breitbart. And I wrote the headline: “Bill Kristol, Republican Spoiler, Renegade Jew.”

    Joel Pollack (editor): “To be honest I was not happy with the article, David and I spoke about it and agreed to disagree, but none of it reflects on Steve Bannon.”

    You have to be odd, to be number one.
    -- Dr Seuss

    #58706
    zn
    Moderator

    David Horowitz (a Jew) wrote that article. A Jew writing about another Jew is not anti-Semitic, and it doesn’t make Bannon anti-Semitic by virtue of transitive property.

    I know. I never said he was anti-semitic. He has been accused of that, but I think of him more as a typical hard right catholic type (of a kind with which I am very familiar) who is going to be more clueless about these kinds of issues than overtly bigoted, even in his own mind. He is actually very similar to our governor (LePage).

    And at the same time I believe HIM, though, when he says that the alt.right definitely includes anti-semitic sentiment (from my post above, Bannon speaking:) “Are there anti-Semitic people involved in the alt-right? Absolutely. Are there racist people involved in the alt-right? Absolutely. But I don’t believe that the movement overall is anti-Semitic.”

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    #58707
    — X —
    Participant

    And at the same time I believer HIM

    Freudian slip … much?
    It was all that Catholic talk.

    You have to be odd, to be number one.
    -- Dr Seuss

    #58709
    zn
    Moderator

    And at the same time I believer HIM

    Freudian slip … much?
    It was all that Catholic talk.

    I actually am catholic, btw, though distantly in a long ago dead past.

    I edited the typo. It wasn’t the only one. If it weren’t for edits, all my posts would be a mess that way.

    Cause I am the tpyo kgin.

    #58721
    wv
    Participant

    Maybe this has been posted, i dunno:https://www.buzzfeed.com/lesterfeder/this-is-how-steve-bannon-sees-the-entire-world?utm_term=.enPeXQKoK#.gt0j5WkDk

    Interview with Bannon. Seems to be rather…religious.

    “…On the social conservative side, we’re the voice of the anti-abortion movement, the voice of the traditional marriage movement……….I certainly think secularism has sapped the strength of the Judeo-Christian West to defend its ideals,”

    w
    v

    #58725
    wv
    Participant

    He’s also anti-science and anti alternative energy

    https://insideclimatenews.org/news/16112016/steve-bannon-trump-white-house-climate-conspiracy

    “…Stephen Bannon has called government support of alternative energy “madness.” His conservative website, Breitbart News, relentlessly pursues the idea that global warming is an invention of activists, university researchers and renewable energy industry profiteers determined to assert global governance for their own gain.

    “Pure scum” is how Breitbart News describes the alleged schemers, and the site suggested that the Vatican had been taken over by Marxists after Pope Francis urged the world to protect the environment and slow climate change. Bannon has cited a faked TIME magazine cover, purportedly from the 1970s, as evidence that scientists once thought the world was cooling….

    …Bannon introduced Moore, who is a Trump adviser, as “one of the great economic thinkers of our day.” Moore’s book, which urges allowing the energy to build the pipelines it wants to build, opening up public lands to drilling, and putting restraints on the Environmental Protection Agency, lays out “the case for what the country has to do,” said Bannon. Moore argued EPA’s regulations “are intentionally designed to shut down our domestic energy industry.” …

    #58726
    zn
    Moderator

    Moore argued EPA’s regulations “are intentionally designed to shut down our domestic energy industry.” …

    Well let’s see how much damage can be done in 4 years.

    Or we can wait for the future and write books for curious europeans. Like, 2016 and the Auto-Destruction of American Empire. That would probably be marketable about the time the coastlines begin to disappear.

    A warning to the world about the dangers of christian fundamentalism.

    #58727
    bnw
    Blocked

    He’s also anti-science and anti alternative energy

    https://insideclimatenews.org/news/16112016/steve-bannon-trump-white-house-climate-conspiracy

    “…Stephen Bannon has called government support of alternative energy “madness.” His conservative website, Breitbart News, relentlessly pursues the idea that global warming is an invention of activists, university researchers and renewable energy industry profiteers determined to assert global governance for their own gain.

    “Pure scum” is how Breitbart News describes the alleged schemers, and the site suggested that the Vatican had been taken over by Marxists after Pope Francis urged the world to protect the environment and slow climate change. Bannon has cited a faked TIME magazine cover, purportedly from the 1970s, as evidence that scientists once thought the world was cooling….

    …Bannon introduced Moore, who is a Trump adviser, as “one of the great economic thinkers of our day.” Moore’s book, which urges allowing the energy to build the pipelines it wants to build, opening up public lands to drilling, and putting restraints on the Environmental Protection Agency, lays out “the case for what the country has to do,” said Bannon. Moore argued EPA’s regulations “are intentionally designed to shut down our domestic energy industry.” …

    He’s not against alternative energy. He’s against government subsidy of alternative energy. IOW pay for your own damn Prius.

    The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.

    Sprinkles are for winners.

    #58728
    — X —
    Participant

    Bannon has cited a faked TIME magazine cover, purportedly from the 1970s, as evidence that scientists once thought the world was cooling….

    I don’t know how accurate that is, because I can’t find the source of that claim, but in the 60’s and 70’s it was the consensus among scientists that the world was indeed heading into another cooling cycle, and there were articles about it in magazines and newspapers. Here’s a Newsweek article from 1975.

    http://www.denisdutton.com/newsweek_coolingworld.pdf

    To scientists, these seemingly disparate incidents represent the advance signs of fundamental changes in the world’s weather. The central fact is that after three quarters of a century of extraordinarily mild conditions, the earth’s climate seems to be cooling down. Meteorologists disagree about the cause and extent of the cooling trend, as well as over its specific impact on local weather conditions. But they are almost unanimous in the view that the trend will reduce agricultural productivity for the rest of the century.

    I’d also like to point out, with nothing but kindness in my heart, that there seems to be a deficit of self-awareness around here. We’re attacking the guy for some of the things he said, some of the things he’s been directly and indirectly tied to, and not paying a lick of attention to the fact that he has a master’s degree in National Security Studies, an M.B.A. degree with honors from Harvard Business School, was an officer in the United States Navy serving as a Surface Warfare Officer in the Pacific Fleet and was a special assistant to the Chief of Naval Operations at the Pentagon. Where’s the speculation that he can offer some value as a political adviser?

    Smear him though before he’s even started serving the President. It’s worked wonders for the left as we can now plainly see. Call him misogynistic, anti-Semitic, a white supremacist, and disregard everything else. Because he said this, or supports that/doesn’t support this, or is friends with him, was disparaging towards her, etc. I know there’s merit in speculating on the dangers of him being in Trump’s ear now, if you truly believe he’s evil, but Trump isn’t an empty vessel vulnerable to distinctly evil plots against humanity. He’s a big picture guy who already has visions that need logistics to put them in play, and he’s seeking counsel of people who have a broad range of experience. Not to be “yes men”, but to be the types of people who can tell him the truth, and tell him ‘no’ when needed.

    You have to be odd, to be number one.
    -- Dr Seuss

    #58729
    nittany ram
    Moderator

    He’s also anti-science and anti alternative energy

    https://insideclimatenews.org/news/16112016/steve-bannon-trump-white-house-climate-conspiracy

    “…Stephen Bannon has called government support of alternative energy “madness.” His conservative website, Breitbart News, relentlessly pursues the idea that global warming is an invention of activists, university researchers and renewable energy industry profiteers determined to assert global governance for their own gain.

    “Pure scum” is how Breitbart News describes the alleged schemers, and the site suggested that the Vatican had been taken over by Marxists after Pope Francis urged the world to protect the environment and slow climate change. Bannon has cited a faked TIME magazine cover, purportedly from the 1970s, as evidence that scientists once thought the world was cooling….

    …Bannon introduced Moore, who is a Trump adviser, as “one of the great economic thinkers of our day.” Moore’s book, which urges allowing the energy to build the pipelines it wants to build, opening up public lands to drilling, and putting restraints on the Environmental Protection Agency, lays out “the case for what the country has to do,” said Bannon. Moore argued EPA’s regulations “are intentionally designed to shut down our domestic energy industry.” …

    He’s not against alternative energy. He’s against government subsidy of alternative energy. IOW pay for your own damn Prius.

    Why should the government not subsidize alternative energy when it subsidizes oil to the tune of billions per year?

    #58731
    bnw
    Blocked

    He’s also anti-science and anti alternative energy

    https://insideclimatenews.org/news/16112016/steve-bannon-trump-white-house-climate-conspiracy

    “…Stephen Bannon has called government support of alternative energy “madness.” His conservative website, Breitbart News, relentlessly pursues the idea that global warming is an invention of activists, university researchers and renewable energy industry profiteers determined to assert global governance for their own gain.

    “Pure scum” is how Breitbart News describes the alleged schemers, and the site suggested that the Vatican had been taken over by Marxists after Pope Francis urged the world to protect the environment and slow climate change. Bannon has cited a faked TIME magazine cover, purportedly from the 1970s, as evidence that scientists once thought the world was cooling….

    …Bannon introduced Moore, who is a Trump adviser, as “one of the great economic thinkers of our day.” Moore’s book, which urges allowing the energy to build the pipelines it wants to build, opening up public lands to drilling, and putting restraints on the Environmental Protection Agency, lays out “the case for what the country has to do,” said Bannon. Moore argued EPA’s regulations “are intentionally designed to shut down our domestic energy industry.” …

    He’s not against alternative energy. He’s against government subsidy of alternative energy. IOW pay for your own damn Prius.

    Why should the government not subsidize alternative energy when it subsidizes oil to the tune of billions per year?

    Because cost efficient oil is what runs a modern society and a modern military. Alternative energies are not cost efficient. Perhaps some day.

    The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.

    Sprinkles are for winners.

    #58732
    zn
    Moderator

    Why should the government not subsidize alternative energy when it subsidizes oil to the tune of billions per year?

    Which a guy like that is never going to mention, let alone change.

    There’s of course coal too.

    This is an old report, just one I know about off the top of my head.

    Corporate Welfare For Energy Companies: https://thinkprogress.org/corporate-welfare-for-energy-companies-means-we-paid-24-billion-in-taxes-to-them-eb573a886a02#.2c8tfj7qj

    An excerpt: Tax breaks and subsidies for energy companies have gotten so extreme that dozens of top companies have made billions in profits while having negative taxes, actually receiving taxpayer welfare instead of paying anything to the federal treasury

    #58733
    joemad
    Participant

    I wonder if he got 2 marriage annulments to remain with the Catholic team…….at the alter with his 2nd wife with 2 buns in the oven…….then domestically abused her………..

    Bannon

    Bannon’s first marriage was to Cathleen Houff Jordan. They had a daughter, Maureen. Following their divorce, Bannon married former investment banker Mary Louise Piccard in April 1995. Their twin daughters were born three days later. After Piccard and Bannon divorced in 1997, Bannon married Diane Clohesy. That marriage also ended in divorce in 2009.[50]

    Bannon was charged with misdemeanor domestic violence, battery and dissuading a witness in early January 1996, after Piccard accused Bannon of domestic abuse. The charges were later dropped when his now ex-wife did not show up to court.[51] During the divorce proceedings, Piccard also stated that Bannon had made antisemitic remarks about choice of schools, saying that he did not want to send his children to The Archer School for Girls because Jews raise their children to be “whiny brats”. Bannon’s spokesperson denied the accusation, noting that he had chosen to send both his children to the Archer School Bannon’s association with the alt-right movement, along with his aforementioned alleged antisemitic remarks, have contributed to accusations of white nationalism from the Southern Poverty Law Center and other advocacy groups, commentators, and Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid

    #58734
    — X —
    Participant

    Case in point.

    You have to be odd, to be number one.
    -- Dr Seuss

    #58735
    bnw
    Blocked

    I wonder if he got 2 marriage annulments to remain with the Catholic team…….at the alter with his 2nd wife with 2 buns in the oven…….then domestically abused her………..

    Bannon

    Bannon’s first marriage was to Cathleen Houff Jordan. They had a daughter, Maureen. Following their divorce, Bannon married former investment banker Mary Louise Piccard in April 1995. Their twin daughters were born three days later. After Piccard and Bannon divorced in 1997, Bannon married Diane Clohesy. That marriage also ended in divorce in 2009.[50]

    Bannon was charged with misdemeanor domestic violence, battery and dissuading a witness in early January 1996, after Piccard accused Bannon of domestic abuse. The charges were later dropped when his now ex-wife did not show up to court.[51] During the divorce proceedings, Piccard also stated that Bannon had made antisemitic remarks about choice of schools, saying that he did not want to send his children to The Archer School for Girls because Jews raise their children to be “whiny brats”. Bannon’s spokesperson denied the accusation, noting that he had chosen to send both his children to the Archer School Bannon’s association with the alt-right movement, along with his aforementioned alleged antisemitic remarks, have contributed to accusations of white nationalism from the Southern Poverty Law Center and other advocacy groups, commentators, and Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid

    Since Pope Francis tripled down on his opposition to Trump during the campaign I’m not sure a team jersey awaits Bannon, annulments or not.

    The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.

    Sprinkles are for winners.

    #58736
    nittany ram
    Moderator

    Because cost efficient oil is what runs a modern society and a modern military. Alternative energies are not cost efficient. Perhaps some day.

    Some day will never come unless we make a commitment to ending our reliance on oil. That means we have to go ‘all in’ on alternative energy research and development. The nickel and dime approach we take towards alternative energy right now is a ruse designed to do one thing – to make sure we never develop energy sources that can replace oil. Our government is bought and paid for by the fossil fuel industry and Trump the ‘anti-establishment’ president elect will do everything he can to strengthen oil’s death grip on the US.

    #58738
    bnw
    Blocked

    Some day will never come unless we make a commitment to ending our reliance on oil. That means we have to go ‘all in’ on alternative energy research and development. The nickel and dime approach we take towards alternative energy right now is a ruse designed to do one thing – to make sure we never develop energy sources that can replace oil. Our government is bought and paid for by the fossil fuel industry and Trump the ‘anti-establishment’ president elect will do everything he can to strengthen oil’s death grip on the US.

    “death grip”? LOL. Then walk or ride your bike! Alternative energy research will continue amongst the national labs but government picking and showering losers with $$$$$ like Solyndra must end. Private research will continue. Foreign nations will continue research too. What Trump won’t do is strangle this nations economy like Obama and Clinton by driving the coal industry into the dust while eliminating coal generated electrical plants, eliminating jobs and increasing power costs to the consumer.

    The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.

    Sprinkles are for winners.

    #58752
    Mackeyser
    Moderator

    Word salad bullshit.

    Without energy innovation we’re leaving ourselves to be customers rather than suppliers.

    We’ve already ceded Solar to the Chinese. What other alternative energy manufacturing means will we cede cuz ‘Murica has enough coal and natural gas to NOT fund the new and eventually MUCH more efficient and cleaner forms of energy?

    I believe in Australia or NZ, there’s a new method of harnessing wave power that is completely different than the old method, doesn’t damage the wave, so doesn’t contribute to coastal erosion and is much more efficient and reliable due to reduction in parts and usage of simple pump action at the source of generation.

    And that’s just ONE example.

    But hey, innovation is dead in this country and we’re PROUD of that, right?

    We don’t MAKE anything anymore, cuz why? We’ll always be able to buy it cheaper somewhere else…

    Well, except for apps. We make great apps. And complex financial instruments. We are AWESOME at MBSs and CDOs.

    Sports is the crucible of human virtue. The distillate remains are human vice.

    #58759
    bnw
    Blocked

    Word salad bullshit.

    Without energy innovation we’re leaving ourselves to be customers rather than suppliers.

    We’ve already ceded Solar to the Chinese. What other alternative energy manufacturing means will we cede cuz ‘Murica has enough coal and natural gas to NOT fund the new and eventually MUCH more efficient and cleaner forms of energy?

    I believe in Australia or NZ, there’s a new method of harnessing wave power that is completely different than the old method, doesn’t damage the wave, so doesn’t contribute to coastal erosion and is much more efficient and reliable due to reduction in parts and usage of simple pump action at the source of generation.

    And that’s just ONE example.

    But hey, innovation is dead in this country and we’re PROUD of that, right?

    We don’t MAKE anything anymore, cuz why? We’ll always be able to buy it cheaper somewhere else…

    Well, except for apps. We make great apps. And complex financial instruments. We are AWESOME at MBSs and CDOs.

    Thank NAFTA and the other traitorous trade deals since when bemoaning our lack of manufacturing. We haven’t ceded technological advancement to any nation. Manufacturing yes, technology no. So many research avenues to travel doesn’t mean the US has to fight each one. Right now the biggest bang for research $s resides within innovation for oil and gas discovery and production, domestic supplies in particular.

    The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.

    Sprinkles are for winners.

    #58766
    zn
    Moderator
    #58772
    Mackeyser
    Moderator

    Next they’re going to say that Steve Bannon was a champion of women’s rights…

    I guess the Clinton campaign isn’t the only one trying to gaslight the entire country…

    Sports is the crucible of human virtue. The distillate remains are human vice.

    #58777
    Zooey
    Participant

    #58780
    bnw
    Blocked

    Looks interesting. Delivering pressurized seawater over distance will have issues but fresh water without added energy is a very nice plus.

    The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.

    Sprinkles are for winners.

    #58781
    Zooey
    Participant

    Looks interesting. Delivering pressurized seawater over distance will have issues but fresh water without added energy is a very nice plus.

    I couldn’t find the video I was looking for.

    I think I posted a couple of these on the board about a year ago, but I couldn’t find them on youtube, and I didn’t search here since the search feature is cumbersome.

    But…yeah. It is certainly a fascinating idea. We can only hope something marketable comes from it because…lots of positives.

    #58783
    — X —
    Participant

    Next they’re going to say that Steve Bannon was a champion of women’s rights…

    I guess the Clinton campaign isn’t the only one trying to gaslight the entire country…

    Did you just create a hypothetical and then call it hypocritical? Lol. Thats a new one I have not seen before.

    You have to be odd, to be number one.
    -- Dr Seuss

    #58802
    — X —
    Participant

    http://www.breitbart.com/milo/2016/08/29/the-washing-machine-and-the-pill-the-two-worst-inventions-in-the-history-of-humanity/

    Did you read it? It’s largely tongue-in-cheek, but it also cites relevant scientific sources to make its salient point about why feminists are miserable. And it’s written by a gay man. The comments that follow are all made with those facts in mind, and there’s no outrage over it. See, this is the problem with re-posting article titles without offering any commentary on the substance. It’s meant to generate discussion, to offer some humor, and to generate readership. I found nothing wrong with the article as a whole, but I’m sure there are people who could cherry-pick a sentence or two out of it and start a protest. lol.

    You have to be odd, to be number one.
    -- Dr Seuss

    #58805
    zn
    Moderator

    It’s meant to generate discussion, to offer some humor, and to generate readership.

    Yes, and among people who are not offended by the premise, it might. What I see is an in=house kind of humor, which basically welcomes like-minded people and caricatures outside-the-group types. BTW the author’s sexuality is irrelevant. And yes the alt-right types are known for their “flirting with outraging folks” humor. As an informed reader, though, I found unintentional humor in the idea that “feminists” are all pretty much the same in what they think and say and that you could count on a stereotype of that hitting home. All I see is “yeah that’s THEIR kind of jokes” type humor.

    Like this:

    The role of the housewife has been thoroughly and ritually humiliated by successive waves of feminism — as if raising well-adjusted children, keeping a beautiful home and marrying a loving husband is worthy of derision and ridicule. In fact, it’s one of the most important things a woman can do with her life and may be one of the only things women can actually do better than men.

    See to me that’s just a stack of empty stereotypes and so on. At least in part because of all the straight women I know who have raised children while married and with careers and also holding tenets from one version or another of feminism. Plus I have never seen any derision or ridicule aimed at those things. That’s true, and across decades. So I don’t even know what that means. I see that kind of stuff and just think, oh yeah right I remember that kind of thing when discussing stuff with right-wing catholics.

    People who are THAT in-group oriented don’t really mean to start discussions with everyone. They have too many defense mechanisms for that. It’s like football fans who visit other boards. You can tell the difference very quickly between flame posters and guys who are actually able to suspend their team loyalties enough to have actual discussions.

    All I see there, in that case, is a version of “lambies suck!”

    My guess is you would have the exact same reaction to something by a dedicated leftist (note: not mainstream dem liberal) who caricatured (their idea of) the “typical” rural pro-trump voter. Especially one that relied heavily on an in-group humor that was also meant to offend and outrage “the outsiders.”

    Meanwhile I only even bring it up to expand the picture of what Bannon is all about.

    #58814
    bnw
    Blocked

    I don’t see it as empty stereotypes. In fact I see much proof of it from the people I know. My wife could better discuss this than me since she sees it all the time. Professional women who were wrapped up in feminism in college who wouldn’t consider marriage for fear of limiting their career. After working 15-20 years and their ovaries all shriveled up they realize theres more to life than work and they long for motherhood and a family of their own. My wife always wanted to be a mother first and a professional second. She has succeeded tremendously at both. There has been derision and ridicule in the past especially in the media and entertainment for decades. She heard it early in our marriage as if she was risking a career but we stuck to plan. It has worked out well.

    The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.

    Sprinkles are for winners.

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