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wvParticipantWell, Gurley, as a RB has the short life-span as a great player. So, Goff and Donald.
wvParticipantMay 22, 2018 at 11:14 pm in reply to: soul of an Octopus–“best of” old octopus posts + new octopus posts #86471wvParticipantThey came for our beer.
May 22, 2018 at 7:45 pm in reply to: soul of an Octopus–“best of” old octopus posts + new octopus posts #86434wvParticipantwvParticipantAnd again, that’s not a majority.
So it’s not “the public” in total.
You’re talking about groups and factions. Not a majority.
But its close and that’s what is so depressing to me-the number of people that make up these groups and or factions. I just never thought there were that many people willing to vote for someone like Trump. I was wrong.
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Think how I feel — I think its depressing the number of citizens who are willing to vote for Clinton/Obama OR Trump/Bush. Think about how dark things look to ME 🙂
Surfing in West Virginia, btw:https://www.facebook.com/lovingwv/videos/895885800616830/?hc_ref=ARScWcTsfEyq3bZeZ-LQVk_stVr0Q2T_UOJlsouMEFIsOtOQU4TUQr4i5vgXjnruhUE
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vwvParticipantthis one is good
wvParticipantAs ya all probly know my meta-theme this year is ‘lies’. The system is a lie-factory.
Thus, i smiled when i read the first line in this. I didnt read the article, btw.
How Democracy Ended
By Eric Zuesse
May 20, 2018 “Information Clearing House” –
What killed democracy was constant lying to the public, by politicians whose only way to win national public office is to represent the interests of the super-rich at the same time as the given politician publicly promises to represent the interests of the public — “and may the better liar win!” — it’s a lying-contest. When democracy degenerates into that, it becomes dictatorship by the richest, the people who can fund the most lying. Such a government is an aristocracy, no democracy at all, because the aristocracy rule, the public don’t. It’s the type of government that the French Revolution was against and overthrew; and it’s the type of government that the American Revolution was against and overthrew; but it has been restored in both countries.First here will be discussed France:…see link
wvParticipantYeah, i share the Hedges view. Its a dark view.
I hope we iz wrong.
Though, I seem to swing toward this weird dark-existentialist place where i root for an entire collapse of the human species. A die out. Let the biosphere recover without the human-virus, for a while. …did i just type that out-loud… o dear.
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vwvParticipantWhy cant we wipe out the evil nefarious stink bug.
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wvParticipantI assume trump has increased the number of manufacturing jobs. I assume that because if i were Trump I’d move heaven and hell to do THAT. Thats part of his base, but its the part that could go either way. A lot of those folks voted for Obama and they could easily switch sides.
When Trump got elected i assumed he’d increase the manufacturing jobs one way or another. Its the one thing he HAD to do. So, i agree with Cal that he did that and that his BASE will give him credit for that.
I imagine the Dems will run another corporate-dem and Trumps base will hold up and it will be another close election that could go either way.
Btw, if folks dont watch Fox news clips they are missing out on how good the Reps are at spinning things. Fox news is brilliant. Brilliantly evil.
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vwvParticipantHedges on Trump’s Iran decision:
wvParticipantWe have relatives who are evangelical Christians who feel as your mom does. I don’t get it. IMO he’s the least Christian like President we have ever had. My only thought is that they like his position on abortion. At least his position today.
We really are not a very smart country.
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Yup.
Seems like his base is composed of at least four groups:
1 The white male working class folks who think the Dems shit on them.
2 The evangelical christian types who mainly care about abortion
3 The country-club Reps who want lower taxes for the rich
4 Racists.w
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May 17, 2018 at 1:56 pm in reply to: inside of a proton endures more pressure than anything else we’ve ever seen #86235wvParticipantBulger endured more pressure.
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vwvParticipantwv-mom is at the other end of the spectrum. She is poor and lives on a small fixed income. She loves Trump. And one reason is she showed me her monthly check the other day. She gets, like, 70 dollars more per month, thanks to Trump.
He’s “God’s Instrument” according to her.
So….I’m not too optimistic either.
From the Bible-Belt,
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vMay 16, 2018 at 5:41 pm in reply to: informal poll: how the Rams look now, expectations and/or realistic views #86225wvParticipantOn paper its clearly a consensus super bowl challenger.
And they have maybe the best DC in the biz, in Wade.
Ya kinda have to stretch just ta find question marks.
With all those good NFC teams, i hate to say it, but it will probly come down to luck. A bounce here, a tip there. A personal stomping foul.
I would say the thing that might tip things in the Rams favor is turnovers. It looks like the Donald/Suh combo, coupled with the ball-hawks in the secondary SHOULD equal more turnovers.
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vwvParticipantSometimes i check in with Fox News just to see how they are talking to their base. In one sense, I am in Awe of what Fox does. They are so good at knowing who they are and what they want to accomplish. Brilliantly Evil corporation.
Fox on torture, Democrat Hypocrisy, etc:
wvParticipantI despise bullies.
Meanwhile, we had split screen images of Trump, his family, the Kushners oblivious to all this, talking about peace while they no doubt cut their kickback deals to enrich both families. And they brought with them among the most despicable and odious far-right pastors on the planet.
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Fox-News coverage of the situation…just for you, BT 🙂wvParticipantPortugal is supposedly a pretty reasonable place to retire, financially. It’s one of the countries I will be looking at myself.
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Nazare Portugal. Biggest surf-waves on earth.
wvParticipantI was thinking this morning about Cohen’s pay to play stuff, in relation to Maher’s bit about the mob.
DC, prior to Trump, did its graft, grifting, bribery and pay to play in a much different manner. Most of it was legal, and was almost always done according to Hoyle. Trump campaigns on a promise to end all of that, and his fans bought it, hook, line and sinker.
In reality, what Trump has done is to break apart the process and go direct. Instead of doing the deals according to Hoyle, and filling out all the paperwork — like, if you’re a foreign agent or domestic lobbyist, you fill out the paperwork for this, etc. etc. . . . Trump, Flynn, Manafort, Cohen and Pruitt, et al, have basically just bypassed the usual channels.
One could say this is “refreshing.” Or, one could step back and think of a third option. Rather than accept the old ways, the legalized graft, grifting and bribery, end all of it. Trump could have gone that way. But he chose, instead, to innovate off the old system while retaining the graft, the grifting and the pay to play.
I hope smart people don’t see him as some kind of heroic rebel against the establishment. Cuz that’s not what any of this is. To be heroic would mean to end the corruption, period, not redirect it and cut out most of the middlemen.
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And now that Trump has lowered the bar so completely — and now that people see that IT WORKS — things will never be the same.
I’m not sayin everyone will be as bad as Trump but things will never go back to the pre-trump level of corruption and loathsomeness.
…i really wish i could get a Finland-English newspaper everyday. One assumes humanity looks a bit better from Finland. Are there more critical thinkers in Finland, BT? Or am i just imagining a place where peoples brains havent been so damaged and colonized…
Is it fair to say Fox News, Talk Radio, and the Corporate-MSM do ‘violence’ to citizens’ brains? The lies/propaganda is incessant now. 24 hours a day. Lies beaming into citizens brains. Has there been anything quite like this before?
Can we compare this to Nazi Germany or not? Is propaganda more effective now or not? More subtle?w
vwvParticipantMaher is real hit or miss. That was good.
“…how did the salt of the earth people get hooked up with the salt in the wound people…”
Umm….maybe because the Corporate-Dems didnt give a shit about the salt of the earth people.
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vwvParticipant…It’s almost as if they all got the same memo..
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Well we are down to, what?, six corpse that control almost all the tv-media now?
…Imagine a land where religion, nationalism, consumerism, self-absorption, racism, sexism, and corporate-capitalism were transcended. Wouldnt that be nice
Not gonna happen though is it. I guess we just have to fight for one policy at a time, and hope for the best no matter what. And somehow find meaning,
in a shit-storm of sureal-created-stupidity. 🙂w
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Imagine there’s no heaven
It’s easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people living for today
Imagine there’s no countries
It isn’t hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people living life in peace, you
You may say I’m a dreamer
But I’m not the only one
I hope some day you’ll join us
And the world will be as one
Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need…wvParticipantS . . . . I don’t agree. It’s asymmetrical, to begin with, and, as mentioned, I don’t think the first part exists.
I think ALL of the MSM tilts right, and that the only reason it appears, in places, at times, to prefer the Dems to the GOP .
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But Billy, the Dems ARE to the right nowadays. Yes its ALLL to the right. But there’s still a Dem-Right and a Rep-Right. Both have moved further and further Right.
I still see MSNBC and NPR/PBS as leaning toward the Dems. (again, thats still leaning RIGHT). The main reason i see it that way is because they just rip Trump. They dont rip Obama’s policies or Clintons or Dem Policies. Its mainly just anti-trump stuff. No context in other words. Without context all trump-hating does is assure that the Dems will be back in office to run the system.
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vwvParticipantAlan Moore on the state of comix (from 2012)
wvParticipantWere the Hobbits anarchists?
One man’s view:
wvParticipantWell before we even get to the changed landscape between now and the 70’s — there’s the issue of THE TAPES. Nixon taped himself doing all this shit. Without that unique dynamic, Nixon would have stonewalled and survived.
But as to the video — 70 percent of Americans trusted the MSM back in the 70s. Was that a ‘good‘ thing? Good ole days of trusting the corporate media?
I agree with the commentator that things are a dumpster-fire now. And i agree that things have changed with the rise of the rightwing-lie-machine.
But things were not good in the olden days either. It was a different kind of dumpster-fire back in the 50’s, 60s, and 70s, etc. Back then i was listening to TV-MSM and i was being mislead every night. (Now, with the internet I have at least a small chance of finding my way toward the light.)
I think the vid makes some good points about the change, but where I’d disagree is that he kinda tries to make the case that the MSM was more truthful back in the 70’s — because there was hardly any rightwing media. But i think the MSM has always been in the pocket of the Corps, as Chomsky talked about in the 80’s in Manufacturing Consent. Its just that now we have the Right-MSM lying to us from the right, and the Dem-MSM lying to us from the ‘left’. What do we do with that?
Its also been my experience that Tucker Carlson (wacko that he is) is sometimes way more insightful on some issues than the Dem-MSM. On Syria for example. What to do with ‘that’ ?
To me the voters are staggering toward catastrophe because they DO trust EITHER Fox OR NPR/MSNBC. They ought look at both behemoths as Factories-Of-Lies. But they trust one or the other. They ‘say’ they dont trust the MSM but they do — they trust one of the lie-machines. Or the other.
Used to be we had one lie machine. Now we have two. So yes, things have changed.
Just my opin-yun. Call me Mary Sunshine.
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vwvParticipantWell…somewhere in heaven, ole steely-eyed, intense, Chuck Knox is coaching against Bud Grant and Tom Landry.
Lets hope he wins one up there.
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vwvParticipant“Crowds on Demand” — a corp that hires fake-concerned-citizens to show up at public meetings…at the 19 minute mark…
wvParticipantWell, as you well know, we could just post things all day, and reply “appalling” all day, 24 hours a day.
At any rate, this, needless to say is bad strategy —> “…Balogun’s specific actions at the rally, but noted the marchers’ anti-police statements, such as “oink oink bang bang” and “the only good pig is a pig that’s dead”. The agent also mentioned Balogun’s Facebook posts calling a murder suspect in a police officer’s death a “hero” and expressing “solidarity” with the man who killed officers in Texas when he posted: “They deserve what they got.”
Its not a crime, but its just bad political strategy.
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vwvParticipantFwiw, some wolf-blitzer:http://www.evuk.co.uk/CrossTalk_Blitzer_Bombing_Yemen_equals_US_Arms_JOBS.mp4
“US weapons jobs will be lost if we stop bombing Yemen”
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