Ramsey to be traded? Floyd to be cut? Roster rumors

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  • February 24, 2023 at 8:01 pm #143047
    zn
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    February 24, 2023 at 8:08 pm #143048
    zn
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    February 24, 2023 at 8:28 pm #143049
    Zooey
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    Makes no sense to me.

    February 24, 2023 at 9:28 pm #143051
    canadaram
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    This disappoints me.

    I hope this doesnā€™t turn into a 2005 to 2016 type of dry spell.

    February 25, 2023 at 5:25 am #143052
    zn
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    Jourdan Rodrigue@JourdanRodrigue
    The Rams have received serious trade calls regarding All-Pro DB Jalen Ramsey, a source said, as they continue to navigate possible offseason moves. Ramsey, who is pretty involved/knowledgeable in how teams run/are built in general, has alluded to this possibility for weeks.
    February 25, 2023 at 10:03 am #143053
    wv
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    Interesting.Ā Ā Ā  Do they ‘have’ to trade him for cap-relief?Ā Ā Ā  I would think not, but I dunno.

    They’d have to get a lot in return for him, for it to make any sense to me, unless they just have to for cap reasons.

     

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    February 25, 2023 at 1:48 pm #143054
    Billy_T
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    wv wrote:

    Interesting. Do they ā€˜haveā€™ to trade him for cap-relief? I would think not, but I dunno. Theyā€™d have to get a lot in return for him, for it to make any sense to me, unless they just have to for cap reasons. w v

    I’m no cap expert, but I think they were roughly 15 million over, and by cutting Wagner, they save between 5 and 8 million. They don’t have to cut or trade Ramsey, but he has one of those contracts that do yield a lot of savings if they move him. I think they’d save in the neighborhood of 17 million.

    A rookie pool is in the 5 million range, give or take. They want to sign new Free Agents too. Probably need another 15 million for that, at least. So they need to find a way to reduce payroll by another 30 million or so. Guessing.

    Floyd is a likely cut/trade guy, and he’d save them a lot too. Restructuring Kupp and Stafford are likely.

    Hope a cap guru weighs in, or a good article does the trick, etc.

    February 25, 2023 at 2:36 pm #143055
    zn
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    If they can trade Ramsey post 6/1 they save 17 M.

    Other scenarios? Not nearly as much is saved.

    February 25, 2023 at 10:39 pm #143056
    zn
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    March 5, 2023 at 8:34 am #143097
    zn
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    March 6, 2023 at 11:06 am #143114
    zn
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    March 7, 2023 at 3:45 pm #143126
    Zooey
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    Subtracting talent from the team is not “reloading.” All of this looks like the Rams don’t expect to contend next year.

    March 8, 2023 at 9:31 am #143127
    zn
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    A theory. Several Rams underperformed in 2022 and that’s before they got massively injured as a team. I think they had a few guys who took their rings from 2021 and slacked off. That includes Ramsey and Floyd. I think that’s who they want to replace–I think McV resented that happening. It clears cap space, and puts them in a position to develop talent to step up plus sign people.

     

     

    March 8, 2023 at 10:49 am #143128
    Zooey
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    zn wrote:

    A theory. Several Rams underperformed in 2022 and thatā€™s before they got massively injured as a team. I think they had a few guys who took their rings from 2021 and slacked off. That includes Ramsey and Floyd. I think thatā€™s who they want to replaceā€“I think McV resented that happening. It clears cap space, and puts them in a position to develop talent to step up plus sign people.

    I would think that it would be easier to try to coach Ramsey and Floyd back into the proper mindset than to replace them.

    And, really, how hard must it be to put in the proverbial 110% when the team has completely fallen off a cliff?

    March 8, 2023 at 11:50 am #143131
    zn
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    Zooey wrote:
    zn wrote:

    A theory. Several Rams underperformed in 2022 and thatā€™s before they got massively injured as a team. I think they had a few guys who took their rings from 2021 and slacked off. That includes Ramsey and Floyd. I think thatā€™s who they want to replaceā€“I think McV resented that happening. It clears cap space, and puts them in a position to develop talent to step up plus sign people.

    I would think that it would be easier to try to coach Ramsey and Floyd back into the proper mindset than to replace them. And, really, how hard must it be to put in the proverbial 110% when the team has completely fallen off a cliff?

    I’m not as worried about any of this so I tend not to see it the way you do. I’m on record as being critical of McV when I think he screws up. Rams are surprisingly quick to dump people year to year, and it doesn’t always add up to me. But in this case I think McV has a point. You pay someone to be a leader and then they let you down. You need the money anyway so why not move on.

    I don’t see it as being as risky as you do. Replacing what Ramsey and Floyd offered in 2022 will not be a great challenge–they both backslid. Plus doing this allows them to sign and keep guys they do value, such as (presumably) Gaines.

    It may also be that they are seeking trade capital to get an edge rusher, probably (warning: theory approaching) reasoning that this draft offers them enough in the secondary so they can shift emphasis in terms of defensive design and seek a veteran edge rusher. Maybe that’s a thing they’re doing? If so I think having a veteran edge rusher plus young corners makes more sense than having a star corner with no edge rusher.

    March 8, 2023 at 3:42 pm #143133
    Billy_T
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    To me, the logical thing to do with Ramsey, if they were to keep him, is move him to safety. He likely turns into the best in the league if they do. If he were amenable to it, etc.

    Trading him or not trading him this season comes down to this: Roll the dice, play him in 2023, trade him in 2024, but risk aĀ  (major?) reduction in compensation.

    But if they keep him, again, I’d move him to safety and draft a coupla corners. This is a deep draft for that position. Just so so for safeties.

    March 8, 2023 at 3:56 pm #143134
    Billy_T
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    Jourdan’s podcast is good this week, though she’s not at her best, physically. Working while sick, basically.

    https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/11-personnel-a-show-about-the-los-angeles-rams/id1477535034

    She talks about the Rams FO soul searching, recognizing they made some bad decisions, acting “emotionally,” etc. New contracts given to Stafford and others, for example.

    Easy inference: their cap hell wasn’t inevitable. So if they cut or trade players to offload salary this offseason . . . it’s not really just the normal ebb and flow of things. Bad choices, made their own bed, etc. etc.

    It’s a hopeful sign, however, that they seem to understand this. McVay and company are kinda sorta growing up before our very eyes.

     

    March 9, 2023 at 10:59 am #143139
    Zooey
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    zn wrote:

    I donā€™t see it as being as risky as you do. Replacing what Ramsey and Floyd offered in 2022 will not be a great challengeā€“they both backslid.

    Ramsey was still a top-rated CB this season, and he did it without Donald for a good chunk of the season, and in the general falling off of the pass rush. I saw little of the season, as you know, but I’m not seeing this.

    And letting Matt Gay sign elsewhere is going to save loose change. Are they out scouring bars for a replacement? What’s that about?

    March 10, 2023 at 3:47 pm #143150
    Zooey
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    March 11, 2023 at 11:07 am #143154
    nittany ram
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    And letting Matt Gay sign elsewhere is going to save loose change. Are they out scouring bars for a replacement? Whatā€™s that about?

    Arguments can be made for letting guys like Ramsey go. I donā€™t necessarily agree with it but there is a valid case for it.

    But how do you not resign Matt Gay – one of the best kickers in the league that you could have relatively cheaply? Ā Are they still willing to gamble with the kicking game after the Sloman-Forbath nightmare of 2020?!

     

    March 11, 2023 at 11:15 am #143155
    zn
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    nittany ram wrote:

    The Sloman-Forbath Nightmare

    I tried to read that book, but it was too grim.

    March 12, 2023 at 2:50 pm #143158
    Zooey
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    March 12, 2023 at 3:02 pm #143159
    Zooey
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    3rd rounder.

    I give up.

    So for 3 seasons, we gave up two firsts, and the remaining value is a 3rd and a TE.

    M’kay. Better be a damn good TE.

    March 12, 2023 at 3:07 pm #143160
    Eternal Ramnation
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    1. Zooey wrote:

      3rd rounder. I give up. So for 3 seasons, we gave up two firsts, and the remaining value is a 3rd and a TE. Mā€™kay. Better be a damn good TE.

      The TE is not good either šŸ˜’

    March 12, 2023 at 4:00 pm #143161
    Billy_T
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    This was a seriously stupid trade, and it didn’t even garner that much Cap relief. According to Ramswire, less than 6 million.

    Salary cap impact of Rams trading Jalen Ramsey to Dolphins

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    The entire league knows the Rams are an easy mark. They give up waay too much for players they want, and they ask for waay too little in comp for players they trade away.

    To me, this looks like another case of them putting the wishes of a now former player above the best interests of the team. Ramsey wanted to go to Miami, so that’s where they sent him. Very likely Miami knew this and low-balled the Rams as a result.

    I think it’s time for new management and an end to this ethos of bending over backwards for players on their way out the door.

    March 12, 2023 at 4:45 pm #143162
    Zooey
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    Billy_T wrote:

    The entire league knows the Rams are an easy mark. They give up waay too much for players they want, and they ask for waay too little in comp for players they trade away.

    It sure seems that way to me. Ramsey is still in his prime. Not only do I disapprove of this trade, I can’t even see a plausible rationale for it.

    Hopefully, Rodrigue will explain this some day.

    March 12, 2023 at 6:48 pm #143165
    InvaderRam
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    most heinous.

    March 12, 2023 at 6:49 pm #143166
    InvaderRam
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    still got that trophy though.

    March 12, 2023 at 7:02 pm #143169
    zn
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    Hi. I moved everything on the Ramsey trade, best I could, to a dedicated thread.

    Here: https://theramshuddle.com/topic/ramsey-trade/#post-143168

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