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  • #136476
    Zooey
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    McVay: This guy has grown up. I think he learned from the loss to the Patriots, and just generally. He stuck with the run even though it wasn’t working (at all). This is the kind of game where he would have given up on the run. AND…I think the game plan was focused on OBJ. He thought the Bengals would do everything they could to take out Kupp (which they didn’t, even after OBJ’s injury, and I don’t understand not doubling Kupp every damn play). OBJ was wide open, even on the play he got hurt, and was on his way to having a monster game. I think the Rams would have won this game substantially with OBJ. The Rams were missing Woods, OBJ, Higbee, Blanton, Fuller and Weddle…they were playing backups to the backups, and McVay made it work. He adjusted.  And the culture he has created is 2nd to none. Kroenke had better open up his wallet for both McVay and Snead.

    Donald: A case could be made that he should be the MVP because the Bengals knew they couldn’t block him, and the gameplanned for that. Instead of their signature 7-step drops and chuck the ball, Burrow was releasing the ball in 1.8 seconds. Donald and the DLine made the Bengals sacrifice their strength before the game even started. That’s incredible. And when they went away from the run, the DLine just ate the Bengals alive. After that 75-yard TD to start the 2nd half, the Bengals got just 50 yards the rest of the game. Burrow got sacked 7 times in 22 plays. (I heard Peter King say today that he thinks Donald will retire. He was at the Rams party until 4am).

    Stafford: I didn’t notice that no-look pass until I saw the highlight this morning. That was ridiculous. And Matthew Stafford is clutch. That guy’s playoff run was amazing. 15 play drive when they needed it most, making 3 playoff games in a row where he led game-winning drives. Aaron Rodgers has 2 such drives in his playoff career. Stafford got 3 in one post-season. He is Nails.

    Kupp: I think Cooper Kupp is in the conversation of best player in the NFL. Everybody KNEW the Rams were going to Kupp, and he just worked them anyway. The guy just catches and runs and he is unstoppable. In his last 3 games, he had 28 receptions, 6 TDs, and 4xx yards receiving against playoff teams. Stafford to Kupp is going to be a big problem for the NFL for a long time. I don’t know if they can get any better because they both work their butts off, but even as they stand right now, this is as dangerous a duo as exists in the NFL, and may be the most dangerous. Kupp is ridiculous. This guy might be Jerry Rice.

    OBJ: I am sorry for that guy. I think he was headed towards a huge game, and now he’s out until who knows when. He is probably going to get a one-year deal as a consequence, too. I think he will stay with the Rams. He loves the team, and OBJ can make more money outside of football in Los Angeles anyway. He is made for those opportunities, and if he is a star on the Rams, he can bank really big money on the side. I was going to put $200 on OBJ yesterday. I heard a prop set on him at 63 yards. I was going to bet the over on that because he was going to get that easily, imo. But I hadn’t wagered since the 2018 season, and my account was deactivated, and I couldn’t get it re-activated in time, and did not get that bet placed. So OBJ’s blown knee did not blow a hole in my wallet.

    Kroenke: I am going to say something nice about an owner. This guy had a vision, and he worked it, and worked it, and worked it. I remember reading that he just patiently hammers away at his goals back when he bought the team, and when it was clear he was going to LA. He built the crown jewel of the NFL right in LA, the city where no stadium deal could ever get done, that had 2 NFL teams leave, that people said did not care about football. Then he hired the right people, and let them make the football decisions. He let Snead reinvent team-building philosophy, and trusted McVay on Goff, and Demoff on money, and he just won the Super Bowl last night in what was a 6-hour long commercial for Los Angeles. I don’t think that attracting Millers and Beckhams is going to be a problem for this team as long as McVay is around. Stan knew what he was doing, and he did it. Right now, the Rams are THE model franchise. That is what Kroenke just did.

    #136480
    zn
    Moderator

    Zooey, all good points.

    The way the Rams operate, by investing so many high picks and so much cap space in a handful of stars, they needed 2 things: (1) to draft well in the lower rounds, and (2) to have superb position coaches to develop those players. And they pulled that off.

    The stars did come through. I mean, Donald making both stops on 3rd and 1 then 4th and 1 is just the stuff of legend. That’s “the tackle” times 2 but harder to pull off. Running Kupp on 4th and 1 on your own 20 shouldn’t work and it did. Throwing a 20 something yard no look pass to the middle of the field shouldn’t work but it did. But all that might not have mattered unless they were solid enough everywhere else too. And they were.

    Example. With Mundt out and Higbee injured, the Rams needed Blanton to step up, and he did. Then with all 3 out, they needed Hopkins to step up…and he did. (Quoted from a tweet I posted in another thread: “with the Rams missing TEs due to injury, Hopkins caught all 4 of his targets for 47 yards. 3 went for first downs.” Before that, all season, he had 1 catch.) Their 4th string TE came through, in a super bowl no less. And that’s just one position.

    #136481
    InvaderRam
    Moderator

    speaking of developing lower round draft picks…

     

    very impressed with ernest jones so far.

     

    and holding out hope that bobby brown iii can make an impact next year cuz that guy had all the physical talent in the world.

     

    #136485
    Billy_T
    Participant

    Re-watching that critical 4th down run by Kupp. Anyone else have their heart jump out of their body?

    That was an amazing cut, and without it, he was down for a loss of yardage, and Cincy gets the ball back. Game is likely over.

    Gutsy call. Great run. Strangely enough, great blocking everywhere else, but right there in front of Kupp. I’m assuming that was by design.

    Right now, I think it’s clear: Kupp is the best wideout in football; AD the best defensive player; Ramsey the best corner; McVay top three coach. I still don’t know where to place Stafford, but his playoff run gets him into the conversation for at least top five.

    #136490
    Zooey
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    Right now, I think it’s clear: Kupp is the best wideout in football; AD the best defensive player; Ramsey the best corner; McVay top three coach. I still don’t know where to place Stafford, but his playoff run gets him into the conversation for at least top five.

    I agree with that. And I am still trying to process the idea that the Rams have two players on their team who are arguably the best player in the game.

    I think there’s a part of me that just didn’t believe my eyes with Cooper this year. He’s always been scrappy and productive, but not…sensational…or something. I don’t know what I expect from a great WR…maybe somebody huge and fast like Moss or Owens. But, man, you look back on his season, and right through the playoffs, and it just could be the greatest season a WR has ever had. That just isn’t a lie. Cooper Kupp is just a cheat code. He gets open, he catches the ball, and he can’t be tackled. He is surreal.

    And just to add to what I said earlier about the Millers and Beckhams finding LA attractive, all of these guys – Beckham, Stafford, Ramsey, Floyd, even Miller to some extent – they all came in with a bit of a chip on their shoulder. Something to prove. I suspect that was more luck than design, but McVay/Snead have put together a team of hungry football players who put in the work. It was rumored that Goff didn’t work as hard as he could have, and it’s rumored that Stafford works. This is a team of workers. They just were not going to be denied, and even with a ton of weapons watching from the sidelines, the OL came through for Stafford, and Kupp was enough.

    #136494
    wv
    Participant

    Well, i dont think its a coincidence that Kupp elevated his game

    right when Stafford became the QB.

    Kupp would not have had this kind of year, with Goff.

     

    Its some sort of symbiosis type thing.  Stafford and Goff are more

    than the sum of their parts.   Their skills and weird-psychic-connection

    make the combo lethal.

     

    Btw, I predicted Kupp would be injured at some point this year.  But he proved to be quite strong and durable.   Instead, Higby, Woods, and OBJ went down.

     

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    #136495
    Billy_T
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    Agree with all of that, Zooey.

    And, WV, good points. But I’m wondering if Kupp maybe did get injured and they’re just not talking about it. He took a lot of shots to the head this year, and another big one in the Super Bowl.

    That scares the hell out of me too.

    Watched an NFL Network interview of AD, Kupp, and Stafford, together. They seemed (understandably) wiped out. Happy, but just beyond tired. Or, maybe I misread their being way cool and relaxed with being wiped out. Not sure. Anyway, it was kind of a funny interview, contrasting their demeanor there with their actions on the field. The interviewers had a little trouble getting them to talk. Those three guys are kinda humble.

    With a very few exceptions, this Rams team isn’t exactly “Hollywood.”

    #136497
    Zooey
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    Well, i dont think its a coincidence that Kupp elevated his game right when Stafford became the QB. Kupp would not have had this kind of year, with Goff. Its some sort of symbiosis type thing. Stafford and Goff are more than the sum of their parts. Their skills and weird-psychic-connection make the combo lethal. Btw, I predicted Kupp would be injured at some point this year. But he proved to be quite strong and durable. Instead, Higby, Woods, and OBJ went down. w v

    Yeah, in the beginning of the season, I thought Stafford was a bit better, and just more mature/experienced than Goff. I now think the gap in talent between the two of them is larger than I initially believed. The book is not closed, of course. We will see how Stafford and Goff each perform next year, but…man. I believe in Matthew Stafford now. I’m a Staffordite.

    While there was a lot of noise about that holding call at the end of the game, I saw only one person (Cowherd) make the observation that it was 3rd down. Without that flag, the Rams still have the ball, and I don’t really have doubt that they would have scored on 4th and goal. I just think on 4th and 8, Stafford would have scored anyway. What, in the 4th quarter, did my man Stafford do all season long?

    I just now think that the Rams are basically in the playoffs as long as Stafford and Kupp are playing together. Damn, they just won the Super Bowl with no #2 or #3 WR, a #3 or 4 TE (who had ONE regular season possession), and a run game that did nothing but maybe keep the defense honest. Seriously, after OBJ went down, Stafford had Kupp and some filler. The filler did just enough, but that game was about the stars, as others have pointed out.

    I underrated Cincy’s DLine, btw.  They shut down the run. But they got to Stafford only twice.

    #136499
    Eternal Ramnation
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    Jefferson not as focused in the Superbowl?

    This explains a lot. https://twitter.com/VanJefferson12/status/1493424575274799107?t=K0tRB5mO18PTWz-bdFfazQ&s=19

    #136539
    canadaram
    Participant

    Btw, I predicted Kupp would be injured at some point this year. But he proved to be quite strong and durable. Instead, Higby, Woods, and OBJ went down. w v

    Me too. Back in September I thought there’s no way Kupp gets through the entire season   without missing at least a game or two. His willingness to run after the catch is something you don’t see from every receiver.

    Also, zn mentioned Mundt earlier in this thread. The Rams really missed his blocking in the run game.  I loved that McVay’s commitment to the run never wavered. I never would have predicted such a scenario back in November.

     

    #136540
    wv
    Participant

    I dont understand why the Rams run game was so atrocious in that game.

    I mean, it seemed like Bengal defenders were always running free,

    right into the RB.   Seemed like No-one was even trying to block them.

    They ran better on the powerful 49er D.

     

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    #136547
    Zooey
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    I have seen nobody mention that, after that holding call, on the very next play – which would have been 4th down – Eli Apple committed flagrant pass interference anyway.

    While it’s true that the next play call might have been different on 4th and 8 rather than 1st and 4, you really reaching into an alternative timeline and rigging it to give you the outcome you want if you claim that holding call robbed the Bengals.

    #136548
    zn
    Moderator

    I dont understand why the Rams run game was so atrocious in that game. I mean, it seemed like Bengal defenders were always running free, right into the RB. Seemed like No-one was even trying to block them. They ran better on the powerful 49er D. w v

    That was very visible and right now we only have guesses I guess. I just think Cinn. has a very good DL and they spent 2 weeks studying how to beat the Rams OL. There are games where the Rams OL got thumped during the season, and then there are games like SF in the playoffs where the Rams OL adjusted and was effective. 2 weeks I guess is enough to see the adjustments and deconstruct them. I think it is fairly obvious that the Cinn. game plan on defense was to force the Rams to throw on every down. Interestingly, for the one time I can think of in 5 years, McVay just stuck with the run even when it was not working. They couldn’t crack the code but they did force Cinn. to think run and not just pass.

    Then, they had a brilliant 2 minute drill, augmented by things like the fact that Kupp can cut when running the ball in a way that belies being a 6’2″ receiver, and that Stafford can actually complete a 20 yard no-look pass to the middle of the field against a defensive set that actually worked against that particular play call. They did not go 2-minute no-huddle the entire game until that moment, they did not use receivers in the run game until that moment, all Rams strengths they held in reserve.

    I look forward to finding something by a smart analyst somewhere who dissects what the Cinn. defense was doing to the Rams OL. It just looks to me like they were primed to see and exploit gaps in the zone running scheme. But that’s a guess out of fuzzy memory.

    #136549
    wv
    Participant

    That was very visible and right now we only have guesses I guess. I just think Cinn. has a very good DL and they spent 2 weeks studying how to beat the Rams OL. There are games where the Rams OL got thumped during the season, and then there are games like SF in the playoffs where the Rams OL adjusted and was effective. 2 weeks I guess is enough to see the adjustments and deconstruct them. I think it is fairly obvious that the Cinn. game plan on defense was to force the Rams to throw on every down. Interestingly, for the one time I can think of in 5 years, McVay just stuck with the run even when it was not working. They couldn’t crack the code but they did force Cinn. to think run and not just pass. Then, they had a brilliant 2 minute drill, augmented by things like the fact that Kupp can cut when running the ball in a way that belies being a 6’2″ receiver, and that Stafford can actually complete a 20 yard no-look pass to the middle of the field against a defensive set that actually worked against that particular play call. They did not go 2-minute no-huddle the entire game until that moment, they did not use receivers in the run game until that moment, all Rams strengths they held in reserve. I look forward to finding something by a smart analyst somewhere who dissects what the Cinn. defense was doing to the Rams OL. It just looks to me like they were primed to see and exploit gaps in the zone running scheme. But that’s a guess out of fuzzy memory.

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    Yeah, I hope some analytical guru writes about why the Bengals were able to massacre the Rams running game.  I mean..it…was..a..Massacre.  A weird massacre.  Sometimes TWO Bengal defenders were just running free and meeting at the RB.  It was just…weird.

    As far as McV ‘sticking with the running game too long’ — I’ve heard media people saying that.   But I think ‘that’ was just OBJ going down, and Higby being out, etc.    The Rams were just down to a bare-bones passing game.

    McVay was in a very tough spot.   Passing was always gonna be dangerous with unknown-quantities out there running routes.    I think McVay was nervous about trusting the inexperienced, less-than-stellar pass-catchers out there.

    Until, of course, he had no choice at the end of the game.

     

    Such a strange game.   A LOT of weird stuff going on in that game

    on both sides of the ball for both teams.

     

    I feel bad for Bengal fans, btw.   This isnt like beating the Titans or Vikings or Cowboys or 49ers or Patriots or Seahawks.   F ‘them’   🙂

    But the Bengals….I hope they get their championship in the next few years.

     

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    #136550
    wv
    Participant

    Oh, and Johnny Hekker?  WTF, man?

    First punt is a line drive, and the weird drop on the extra point?

    Was the game just to big for ole Johnny?

     

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    #136542
    wv
    Participant

    A’shawn:https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/lions/2022/02/10/detroit-lions-ashawn-robinson-super-bowl-56-los-angeles-rams/6733434001/

    “…Robinson missed the start of the 2020 season with COVID-19 concerns related to a previous medical condition. He started last season on the non-football injury list, agreed to delay the start of his contract by one year, and returned midseason on an incentive-laden deal to play sparingly — 111 snaps in eight games — down the stretch…”

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    I dont know what this means.  Do they have Ashawn signed for 1 more year, or 2?

     

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    #136560
    zn
    Moderator

    I dont know what this means.  Do they have Ashawn signed for 1 more year, or 2?

    He’s signed through 2022.

    He’s on the books for 2023 but not under contract. It’s a void year, used just for the purposes of stretching out his pro-rated signing bonus against the cap.

    If Donald comes back they are going to have one of the best Rams DLs we have seen for a while.

    I liked Brockers but Robinson is everything those who complained about Brockers said they wished he was. More aggressive, more big plays.

     

    #136571
    InvaderRam
    Moderator

    recorded the parade today and watching it now.

     

    wow.  pretty big turnout.  super excited.  and lots of old school rams fans with their kids.  and their kids’ kids.

     

    very cool.

    #136573
    wv
    Participant

    Von Miller: “…run this thing back…”

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    #136574
    wv
    Participant

    Sean McVay: “….run it back!”

    #136575
    Zooey
    Participant

    Well, all those guys are lubed up to the gills, and giddy about their victory.

    But even after the euphoria wears off, I think they are going to want to try to repeat.

    I don’t know about you guys, but personally, I’m in favor of a repeat.

    #136576
    InvaderRam
    Moderator

    Well, all those guys are lubed up to the gills, and giddy about their victory. But even after the euphoria wears off, I think they are going to want to try to repeat. I don’t know about you guys, but personally, I’m in favor of a repeat.

     

    i really want whit to come back.

     

    it sounds like donald wants to come back.

    #136577
    Zooey
    Participant

    Cooper Kupp in a Kobe jersey, squeezing the Lombardi in a confetti storm is all I needed today.

     

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    #136578
    InvaderRam
    Moderator

    a new rams music video is in order.

     

    #136631
    InvaderRam
    Moderator

    they gotta bring von back.  he’s got tons of personality.  fun to watch.  fun to interview.  when he came out for the draft, i was hoping the rams could draft him.  now he’s actually a ram, and i don’t want to see him go.

     

     

    and here’s his james corden interview from when he won a super bowl with the broncos.

     

    #136649
    wv
    Participant

    I saw a stat about how many snaps Aaron Donald took this year.  It was, like, a million.   With all the fierce effort he expends, against all the double-teams, play after play, game after game — and all the desire and pressure for that Ring, and all the pressure of being ‘the man’ and a leader — one would think the guy is totally exhausted.    Maybe more than any player on the team.

     

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    #136675
    InvaderRam
    Moderator

    I saw a stat about how many snaps Aaron Donald took this year. It was, like, a million. With all the fierce effort he expends, against all the double-teams, play after play, game after game — and all the desire and pressure for that Ring, and all the pressure of being ‘the man’ and a leader — one would think the guy is totally exhausted. Maybe more than any player on the team. w v

     

    yeah. he is the face of the franchise. in terms of greatness. in terms of longevity.

     

    i guess that’s why they wanted to win it for him.

     

    it’s rare these days for a defensive player to be the face of a franchise. i mean even before he won the super bowl there were whispers that he was the best player in the nfl. not just defense but all of football.

     

    it’s funny. we’re seeing a whole new aaron that the public has never really seen before. when he finally got that ring it’s like years of tension building up inside him had finally been released.

    #136853
    Zooey
    Participant

    My son, whom I brought up lovingly and with great care, gave me Covid DURING the Super Bowl.

    He came over to my house to watch the game with me, and then Monday morning he texted me to tell me he had a fever. So I drove a home test over to him, and he tested positive. I tested positive on Thursday.

    That’s the kind of son I have. I bring him up right, instilling him with proper Rams fandom, and on the day the Rams win the Super Bowl, he returns the favor by giving me Covid.

    The upshot of which is that I am enjoying a paid break from work while I putter around the garden and catch up on some grading.

    #136898
    canadaram
    Participant

    We’re also isolating in our house as we deal with Covid. The snow in our yard is just below waist level so I am not doing any work in the garden.

    Speaking of the Rams being Super Bowl Champions, the thing that brings me the greatest joy is knowing that the Rams beat the Niners in the Conference Championship on their way to becoming the best team in the NFL. I think about that daily.

    #136996
    wv
    Participant

    Pass/Catch at 13:30 mark.   Look familiar?

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