Breakout player–Offense?

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  • #1398
    rfl
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    The Rams Addiction lads also discussed picks for break out players on O. Your thoughts?
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    My pick for a breakout player on Offense is Sam. I offer a bit of an argument.

    First, although we have some quality guys on O, few seem to have the ceiling to become special players. For example, I lovce Stacy, and he can be a 1,200 yard back if healthy. But I don’t see him as becoming elite. Kendricks is a gem, but he’s not close to the All Pro game. Etc.

    Tavon could do it. But, Tavon can’t do it alone.

    To me, the one guy on our offense who has A) LOOKED at times as if he could be special and B) PROJECTS as a likely breakout player is Sam. And here’s the thing.

    I think many of us see hope that our offense will break out this year. But, that’s not really because we have the offensive equivalents of Quinn, Brockers, Donald, ‘Tree, and perhaps TJM coming through. It’s because we hope for a synergy to emerge!

    I mean, that’s what a play-action passing game is! It depends on a relationship between running and passing that stresses defenses. To work, many people have to contribute, and they don’t have to be stars to do so.

    The Addiction guys discussed this tangentially. They kept talking about concepts like play action, about a range of receivers scoring 4-5 TDs each, etc. The underlying assumption in their discussion was that all the pieces would work together.

    But they did not directly discuss the key to all that–the lynch-pin for the synergy. That has got to be Sam. Sam is the guy who has to get productivity out of Givens deep, Britt in the middle and Bailey on the perimeter, Cook up the seams, and Tavon downfield–all things they discussed. But if all those guys are productive together–which they seemed to feel was possible and perhaps likely–what that means is that Sam would be having a killer year. Sam offers the difference between a nice running game last year and a nice running game combined with a nice play action passing game yielding something special.

    When I look at our offense, I see no one player or dimension that stands out. The running game is good, but we don’t have Adrian Peterson. Our TEs have some real virtues, but none will make the top 100 players. Our OL is much stronger and has some depth, but there is currently no reason to expect it to be elite. (I would love to be wrong about this.) The WRs have some pieces, but no studs. Even Tavon is dependent for top productivity on the rest of the O pulling defenses out of shape to open up space.

    Nope–the only hope we have of a Top 10 offense is that Sam catalyzes a bunch of nice but not elite parts and creates a killer synergy. If he can do that, we’ll have a special offense and team, and he will have broken out … leaving the criticisms in his wake.

    Of course, some would argue that he is not the guy to do that. And they might be right. Sam might NOT break out.

    In that case, I think it would be fairly safe to assume that no one on offense would truly break out. We’d have a nice, mid-table offense that was limited and subject to being shut down by elite defenses … 3 of them in the NFCW.

    So, for me, this question breaks down simply. I hope for Sam to break out and think he has a pretty good chance of doing so. And I think he’s our only shot on offense.

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    #1402
    rfl
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    PS.–here’s the link: podcast site.

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    #1405
    zn
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    [they don’t] have the offensive equivalents of Quinn, Brockers, Donald, ‘Tree, and perhaps TJM coming through. It’s because we hope for a synergy to emerge!

    I mean, that’s what a play-action passing game is! It depends on a relationship between running and passing that stresses defenses. …Sam offers the difference between a nice running game last year and a nice running game combined with a nice play action passing game yielding something special.

    I think that’s on target.

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    #1407
    wv
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    I will go with Stedman Bailey.

    I think he’s Hines Ward.

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    #1408
    JackPMiller
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    I’m going with Brian Quick. The coaches like him, and I am getting this weird feeling he is going to have a big year.

    #1433
    Hram
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    If he’s healthy, I think it has to be Bradford.

    Others may also “break out”, but Bradford will get all the headlines and the big paycheck.

    If Bradford doesn’t break out, I don’t believe anyone else on the offense will have a breakout year.

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    #1451
    zn
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    I mean, that’s what a play-action passing game is! It depends on a relationship between running and passing that stresses defenses. …Sam offers the difference between a nice running game last year and a nice running game combined with a nice play action passing game yielding something special.

    I quote this again. This is the key. If his 2013 performance is any indication, Bradford already IS a good play action qb. If you want highlights vids of SB, you keep seeing the play action. He’s suited for it, he has a knack for it.

    PFF numbers back that up (as many already know). Now the thing about PFF grades is that sometimes they’re iffy (particularly grading OL). BUT this one is easy. They simply break down the play action throws by different qbs and do ordinary stats on them (completion percentage, and so on).

    https://www.profootballfocus.com/data/signature.php?tab=signature&season=2013&stype=r&pos=qbp&teamid=-1&filter=25

    Although only 19% of SB’s attempts were play action in 2013, he had a 65.6% completion percentage (9th in the league). His YPA was 9.7 (7th in the league). His qb rating in play action was 111.5 (7th).

    BTW, his percentage of attempts was down from 2012 (21.3%, ranked 14th). But his completion percentage was up over 2012 (58.6%)…as was his YPA (8.5, 18th), as was his qb rating (101.5, 18th).

    So I personally don’t predict Bradford will break out…I think he will continue to be good. Maybe the national perception of him will change as a result, but I just think he was already pretty good and will stay good.

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    #1455
    InvaderRam
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    So I personally don’t predict Bradford will break out…I think he will continue to be good. Maybe the national perception of him will change as a result, but I just think he was already pretty good and will stay good.

    i agree with this.

    #1456
    InvaderRam
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    my pick is zac stacy. i think with this revamped oline he could put up some sick numbers.

    #1458
    Herzog
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    Man I agree with RFL. Ain’t no Bruce or Faulk on this team, but collectively, they could be difficult to game plan for.

    #1467
    Dak
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    Tavon Austin, simply because he has the type of speed and quickness that will allow him to score from anywhere once the game slows down for him. And, we saw that happening a little last year with Clemens at QB. If he gets to where he’s supposed to be in his routes and catches Sam’s balls, he will break some big plays.

    Really, I expect Sam to “break out” this year if he stays healthy because he finally has a number of offensive pieces in place. I think of Sam as starting to break out last year right as he got hurt. But, yeah, good points, RFL.

    #8384
    zn
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    if all those guys are productive together–which they seemed to feel was possible and perhaps likely–what that means is that Sam would be having a killer year. Sam offers the difference between a nice running game last year and a nice running game combined with a nice play action passing game yielding something special.

    When I look at our offense, I see no one player or dimension that stands out. The running game is good, but we don’t have Adrian Peterson. Our TEs have some real virtues, but none will make the top 100 players. Our OL is much stronger and has some depth, but there is currently no reason to expect it to be elite. (I would love to be wrong about this.) The WRs have some pieces, but no studs. Even Tavon is dependent for top productivity on the rest of the O pulling defenses out of shape to open up space.

    Nope–the only hope we have of a Top 10 offense is that Sam catalyzes a bunch of nice but not elite parts and creates a killer synergy. If he can do that, we’ll have a special offense and team, and he will have broken out … leaving the criticisms in his wake.

    Turns out, IMO, that is all happening. The synergy thing on offense. They use a combination of the different WRs, the TEs, the running game, play action, ball control passing, and taking shots–and that combination blends together into a pretty good offense with the ability to get better.

    What no one foresaw is that they are doing it first (and briefly) with the #2 qb and then with the #3 qb.

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