informal poll: what's wrong with the offense, can it pick up?

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  • #60428
    Avatar photozn
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    I will chime in later when I have time.

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    #60431
    JackPMiller
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    The Coaching. Get rid of Fisher, and Boras, and hire a real head Coach and OC and we will be in business

    #60435
    Avatar photowv
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    I’m not sure I’ve ever seen an offense this bad
    where everyone was Healthy. For the most part they’ve had all their
    players.

    Grob – inconsistent. Kendricks – inconsistent. Tavon — inconsistent. Gurley – inconsistent. Britt – inconsistent. Quick — inconsistent. Nothing is flowing, nothing is smooth. The Oline cant get out of its own way. ITs a train-wreck.

    I have no idea if something that looks this bad, can bee quick-fixed.

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    #60446
    Avatar photonittany ram
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    I have no idea if something that looks this bad, can bee quick-fixed.

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    Well certainly nothing is going to get fixed this year. But I think the offense could be markedly better next year if….

    -Goff takes the next step forward in his development.

    -Gurley commits to getting his game back.

    -The o-line improves. I think the o-line can go from among the worst to at least an average group over the offseason. It’s a possibility. I mean, they were kinda sorta average the year before and it’s the same group of guys so if they can go from middlin’ to terrible they ought to be able to go from terrible to middlin’. Plus, they are certainly going to address the o-line in Free Agency so the personnel should get a little better anyway.

    Fix those three things while the defense remains at its current level and we’ll be talking playoffs again.

    Note: I’m not saying any of the above will happen or is even likely too, although I do have a good feeling about Goff. I’m only saying that it could happen and if it did that would be enough to get to 10-6.

    #60448
    Avatar photowv
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    -The o-line improves. I think the o-line can go from among the worse to at least an average group over the offseason. It’s a possibility. I mean, they were kinda sorta average the year before and it’s the same group of guys so if they can go from middlin’ to terrible they ought to be able to go from terrible to middlin’. Plus, they are certainly going to address the o-line in Free Agency so the personnel should get a little better anyway.

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    Well the Oline is the story of the year. The mystery story.

    I predicted about ten wins and a playoff berth in large part because i expected the Oline to be a team strength. What a disaster.

    I am an oline skeptic at this point. An oline denier. I am afraid…that i just think…they are not good players.

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    #60450
    Avatar photoZooey
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    Well the Oline is the story of the year. The mystery story.

    I predicted about ten wins and a playoff berth in large part because i expected the Oline to be a team strength. What a disaster.

    I am an oline skeptic at this point. An oline denier. I am afraid…that i just think…they are not good players.

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    I expect they will be picking some OL. Probably more mediocre WRs. A LB.

    Anyway. I’m not in the mood for draft talk.

    But I fear that the players just aren’t good, too. How can they have gone 12 games without opening a hole for Gurley? Like…ever? Unless they just lose every battle? Because I have to think they know their blocking assignments. I don’t understand it. It’s not like they have faced the Purple People Eaters every week.

    Goff is where most of us will pin the majority of our hopes for improvement, and as of now, that looks like a pretty good place for them. And I hope the OL pulls its head out, and grows into mediocrity.

    And I hope they run Austin more, and throw more screens to Gurley, and I think I have a Norv Turner fantasy abrew.

    #60451
    Avatar photowv
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    But I fear that the players just aren’t good, too. How can they have gone 12 games without opening a hole for Gurley? Like…ever? Unless they just lose every battle? Because I have to think they know their blocking assignments. I don’t understand it. It’s not like they have faced the Purple People Eaters every week.

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    Well let us hope that we are wrong and zn is right, and its just a matter of
    getting past ‘the move’.

    Cause if we are right and the players just aint that good, they will suck again next year. Cause even if they draft some good OLine players they will still be rookies.

    Maybe there is hope in Free Agents. If they spend some money and hit on some solid free agents. Thats all i got.

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    #60456
    sanbagger
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    Lots of ways to look at this but I decided on the easiest. Every week Zn posts PFF grades for the highest performers for both O and D….go back and take a look at who is consistently showing up and who is absent when talking O-line.

    Starters not getting it done
    GRob
    Barnes
    Brown
    Guys getting it done
    Hav
    Saffold – Barely – showed up the last couple of weeks prior to injury
    Wichman

    In a nutshell I think that is our biggest issue…the Joes just aren’t getting it done. The line is vulnerable up the middle and like in baseball you have to sound up the middle…where do the Rams run the ball? Between the tackles and they just can’t get any push.

    Hav isn’t performing as well as he did last year…did he regress? I don’t think so…I think he may still be hurting a little from the injury that sidelined him all OTA’s and pre-season. He’s gonna be just fine.

    I think they can be better next year but I think the 2 biggest areas that need to be addressed are Center and LT. Grob has a few games left to fight for his LT job IMO.

    #60458
    Avatar photowv
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    La Ram
    I believe that Fisher will be gone as well. I’ve said before that I felt if the Rams didn’t finish well Fisher would not be back.

    Peter King who I like and trust seems to feel the same way, so we’ll see. I’ve asked but did not get a straight answer.

    There are some people who have season seats very close to me that are important people in Los Angeles.

    They have already told me that they will be offering their remaining tickets for .99. Yes you read that correct, .99.

    That is a loud and clear message and trust me the Rams are aware of it.

    So what I know about that just contributes to the fact that I disagree with everyone who thinks that winning is not a priority with Stan.

    He didn’t just go two years with an out clause for no reason. He knows the Rams must win.

    Ramsfsninmd if they hire the right offensive headcoach, and repair the o-line, yes I believe they can compete for a wildcard next year if the qb progresses.

    But IMO for them to really make noise in the playoffs they need to blow the offense up.

    On offense you got square pegs in round holes, and round pegs in square holes.

    Are you a drive blocking team, or a zone blocking team?

    Are you a play action team, a reverse ghost action team or a hybrid offense? What will the new HC’s influence be? Will these players fit his scheme?

    Will the new coach try and change his system to fit the present players, or want new players? Lots of questions around bringing in a new headcoach.

    I have NO idea who the right headcoach would be. None

    I like Rob Chudz, but I have no idea how he would be. I know he knows offensive football, but is he a leader of men? I dunno

    People are very hard on Stan, but choosing the right headcoach involves a lot of luck.

    Somebody who got lucky told me you can do all the due-diligence in the world, and it can all be for nothing.

    I don’t think they have started looking. That kind of stuff has a way of getting out.

    I believe they have more respect for Fisher than that.

    Thanks.
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    #60463
    Avatar photozn
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    Starters not getting it done
    GRob

    Though, interestingly…not last game. Last game he graded out as their best offensive player.

    #60466
    Avatar photoInvaderRam
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    Starters not getting it done
    GRob

    Though, interestingly…not last game. Last game he graded out as their best offensive player.

    on an offense that was only able to score 10 garbage points and couldn’t even crack 200 total yards. i believe they had 24 total yards in the first half.

    i desperately wanted grob to come good. i wanted this offense to come good.

    at this point i’m wondering if even gurley can become solid.

    i have good feelings about goff but only because i’ve only seen 3 games.

    i’d at least expect to see some improvement these next four games. if not then i don’t know what to think.

    #60467
    sanbagger
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    Starters not getting it done
    GRob

    Though, interestingly…not last game. Last game he graded out as their best offensive player.

    Yea, I thought about mentioning that but decided not to because it could be the DE he was matched up with isn’t that good. Sheard has 3 1/2 sacks all year and I feel GRob struggles with the speed guys.

    I’m hoping he shows up again this week matched up against Jackson who has 0 sacks this season and 9 for his career…so hopefully he posts another 70+ rating.

    #60471
    Avatar photozn
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    Starters not getting it done
    GRob

    Though, interestingly…not last game. Last game he graded out as their best offensive player.

    Yea, I thought about mentioning that but decided not to because it could be the DE he was matched up with isn’t that good. Sheard has 3 1/2 sacks all year and I feel GRob struggles with the speed guys.

    I’m hoping he shows up again this week matched up against Jackson who has 0 sacks this season and 9 for his career…so hopefully he posts another 70+ rating.

    He;s not the only mediocre DE GR has ever faced.

    More likely, GR just had a good game.

    #60472
    Avatar photozn
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    Starters not getting it done
    GRob

    Though, interestingly…not last game. Last game he graded out as their best offensive player.

    on an offense that was only able to score 10 garbage points and couldn’t even crack 200 total yards. i believe they had 24 total yards in the first half.

    i desperately wanted grob to come good. i wanted this offense to come good.

    at this point i’m wondering if even gurley can become solid.

    i have good feelings about goff but only because i’ve only seen 3 games.

    i’d at least expect to see some improvement these next four games. if not then i don’t know what to think.

    So now we judge one player based not on his actual play but the production of the offense as a whole?

    GR played pretty well last game. That point stands regardless of other considerations.

    #60474
    sanbagger
    Participant

    He;s not the only mediocre DE GR has ever faced.

    More likely, GR just had a good game

    Then maybe he is improving…just too small of a sample size to make that determination.

    He’ll be tested as we get closer to the end of the season and I would love to see this trend continue…at this point I’m just not convinced.

    #60477
    Avatar photoInvaderRam
    Moderator

    Starters not getting it done
    GRob

    Though, interestingly…not last game. Last game he graded out as their best offensive player.

    on an offense that was only able to score 10 garbage points and couldn’t even crack 200 total yards. i believe they had 24 total yards in the first half.

    i desperately wanted grob to come good. i wanted this offense to come good.

    at this point i’m wondering if even gurley can become solid.

    i have good feelings about goff but only because i’ve only seen 3 games.

    i’d at least expect to see some improvement these next four games. if not then i don’t know what to think.

    So now we judge one player based not on his actual play but the production of the offense as a whole?

    GR played pretty well last game. That point stands regardless of other considerations.

    in a sense yes. a player having a rare decent game on an offense that did absolutely nothing doesn’t really mean anything. especially given his history.

    if it had been goff, well that’d be entirely different or even gurley. grob. really wanted to like him. loved the pick at the time. he was my guy the whole way all the way up until the rams picked him and was rooting for him.

    it’s time to move on from him as a left tackle. it sucks that they blew the pick.

    now would be a really good time to be absolutely wrong. i hope i’m wrong. this will be one of the times that i’ll be head over heels if i’m proven wrong and he turns it around.

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    #60479
    Avatar photozn
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    in a sense yes. a player having a rare decent game on an offense that did absolutely nothing doesn’t really mean anything. especially given his history.

    Depends on the question you’re asking.

    First, this offense has done better than it did on the road in NE against a shrewd veteran defense who knew how to take it to the rookie qb. IMO anyone who thinks the offense will always play the way it did that game is stuck too deep in last-bad-game-is-truth -itis.

    AND GR progressing is good news cause since you have to expect the others will rebound from the Patz game to at least be okay again…then GR being improved will be useful.

    #60481
    Avatar photoZooey
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    AND GR progressing is good news cause since you have to expect the others will rebound from the Patz game to at least be okay again…then GR being improved will be useful.

    Your optimism is depressing beyond all measure.

    #60485
    Avatar photozn
    Moderator

    Your optimism is depressing beyond all measure.

    It’s working!

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    #60538
    NewMexicoRam
    Participant

    1. Coaching. Fisher doesn’t know offense so he has poor ability to monitor the OC.
    2. O-line. My pet peeve for over the last 10 years. Our new HC must know how to develop an O-line, as well as his OC and OL coaches.
    3. Defense. I’m not sure what is wrong. But to have such a roller coaster isn’t right.

    #60602
    bnw
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    1. Coaching. Fisher doesn’t know offense so he has poor ability to monitor the OC.
    2. O-line. My pet peeve for over the last 10 years. Our new HC must know how to develop an O-line, as well as his OC and OL coaches.
    3. Defense. I’m not sure what is wrong. But to have such a roller coaster isn’t right.

    Very good points. What other team would keep Saffold around as long as the Rams?

    The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.

    Sprinkles are for winners.

    #60603
    Avatar photozn
    Moderator

    Very good points. What other team would keep Saffold around as long as the Rams?

    But RS was playing well before he went out.

    #60605
    sanbagger
    Participant

    Very good points. What other team would keep Saffold around as long as the Rams?

    But RS was playing well before he went out.

    The last couple of games, I agree. For most of the year he has been sub par. Go back and look at the PFF grades on the O-line, he is non existent.

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