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The last thing I would ever do is judge a coach by his record.
Canton awaits him.
Good grief.
I agree that records don’t tell you the whole story.
WHY does a team have its record? If you don’t ask that IMO you don;t really know.
So for example, only one coach in the history of the NFL has won after a team moved (Flores, 82).
That doesn’t count?
Well–you have to have some sort of measurement.
You just do.
What is next year’s excuse? That they didn’t have the draft picks to fill in positions?
What about 2018? That there are too many distractions because of the new stadium?
I think you’d be hard pressed to find a single coach in football that didn’t have a number of excuses–if they wanted them. Hue Jackson? Lost his starting QB. Boom.
Bears? Cutler got hurt.
Panthers? Cam is getting beat up–no calls by the refs.
Yes–excuses are everywhere–and if record does not count as a measurement–why would they ever fire him? When will there ever be a perfect season without injuries, or distractions or scheduling problems or bad officiating? Every team deals with it. The Pats started two rookies on their offensive line last year week #1. And it was seamless.
Good coaches find a way. They have to.
The problem is that the Rams have come to accept mediocrity as success–and so have some fans.
And Fisher has been mediocre for a looooooong time. Even before the Rams. But he had excuses then too, of course.
Yes–they can extend him 3 years—5 years—-10 years and maybe–just maybe he DOES have a good year or two. He probably will. Maybe he won’t.
But there will ALWAYS be excuses to explain a poor season.
This team and its fans deserve better. I just think five years is fair. When I see a running game go backward–and that’s supposed to be the bread and butter–I am concerned. When I see they can’t fix it I am more concerned.
That statement he made about being happy if Goff had settled for 3 points on the TD drive–just so the Saints wouldn’t have time on the clock? There is something wrong with his very philosophy of “don’t play to win–play not to lose” and I think it infects his offense.
THAT defensive meltdown against the Saints? Forget the win/loss. That can’t happen.
It’s ALWAYS something.
I’m just tired of it and I’m ready for the team to move on from him.
I’m pretty sure that we’ll get to see if he can turn this around because I’m pretty sure that the Rams are keeping him.
But his record is what it is.
"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick
Well–you have to have some sort of measurement.
You just do.
What is next year’s excuse? That they didn’t have the draft picks to fill in positions?
What about 2018? That there are too many distractions because of the new stadium?
I think you’d be hard pressed to find a single coach in football that didn’t have a number of excuses–if they wanted them. Hue Jackson? Lost his starting QB. Boom.
Bears? Cutler got hurt.
Panthers? Cam is getting beat up–no calls by the refs.
Yes–excuses are everywhere–and if record does not count as a measurement–why would they ever fire him? When will there ever be a perfect season without injuries, or distractions or scheduling problems or bad officiating? Every team deals with it. The Pats started two rookies on their offensive line last year week #1. And it was seamless.
Good coaches find a way. They have to.
The problem is that the Rams have come to accept mediocrity as success–and so have some fans.
And Fisher has been mediocre for a looooooong time. Even before the Rams. But he had excuses then too, of course.
Yes–they can extend him 3 years—5 years—-10 years and maybe–just maybe he DOES have a good year or two. He probably will. Maybe he won’t.
But there will ALWAYS be excuses to explain a poor season.
This team and its fans deserve better. I just think five years is fair. When I see a running game go backward–and that’s supposed to be the bread and butter–I am concerned. When I see they can’t fix it I am more concerned.
That statement he made about being happy if Goff had settled for 3 points on the TD drive–just so the Saints wouldn’t have time on the clock? There is something wrong with his very philosophy of “don’t play to win–play not to lose” and I think it infects his offense.
THAT defensive meltdown against the Saints? Forget the win/loss. That can’t happen.
It’s ALWAYS something.
I’m just tired of it and I’m ready for the team to move on from him.
I’m pretty sure that we’ll get to see if he can turn this around because I’m pretty sure that the Rams are keeping him.
But his record is what it is.
No you don’t need some sort of abstract measurement. You need to look at things.
And PA, I reject the “excuses” word. To me it is always only a flame term. You do know that making excuses means rationalization and denial. Well remember the coaches aren’t having this discussion, 2 posters are. The one who uses the “e” word is saying the other is not making an argument, but spinning rationalizations and denial. Which of course puts the person who uses the “e” word in the position of saying, see I am just talking about simple reality (as opposed to have one among many possible opinions) and you’re not…in other words, using the “e” word just ends up allowing someone to claim their opinion isn’t an opinion but a truth, and that the target of their e-wordizing is just rationalizing and denying.
Using the “e” word can’t escape that logic…that is what the “e” word does and says.
Better if we approach this as people with different views, and that;s all.
There are not “excuses” in these discussions, there are different opinions looking at different causes and examining different reasons. And btw I see the Parcells meme thing as a slogan, not an argument.
I have always thought that records are only a first step in analyzing a team–you have to look closer to have a more realistic view. 4 teams could all go 9-7. One is overachieving, another is underachieving, one is a good team wracked by injuries, one is an emerging team that isn’t there yet. You can’t tell which is which just by the record. YOu have to look.
Fisher had no qb after 7 games into 2013. He had Clemens, then then Hill, then Davis, Foles who fell apart and got benched, then Keenum who did fine as long as they had a running game.
In that same period, 2013-2015, the OL was okay in 2013, fell apart in 2014, and got rebuilt as young and inexperienced in 2015 but then got injured too.
Now how many coaches can we think of who did well under those conditions? Any?
To me, and this has always been true–if you don’t look at contexts and circumstances, then, you’re not really accounting for what happened.
I am open to any argument that showed me coaches who did well when they didnt have a qb and had continuing issues to that extent with their OLs.
Foles failed and nobody expected it. If you want to count him as a starter, fine, but I only give him the games he was fine in before he crashed. To me that’s the same as Bradford being injured–unforseen, and it leaves you without a qb.
BS. You can’t say that. It is on Fisher, even MORE SO that Foles turned out to be a head case in St. Louis. A head case with a big contract apparently only to bolster Fisher’s case for trading Bradford since Foles didn’t earn it. Folks looks fine in his two starts for KC, both were wins with QB ratings of 135 and 86, 3 TDs no INTs. Why the turnaround?
The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.
Sprinkles are for winners.
Anyway this may just all get down to individual poster votes.
The Recordites and the Contextistas can probably argue until they are blue in the face, and then disagree on what shade of blue it is.
But still.
Board wars are healthy things.
Anyway this may just all get down to individual poster votes.
The Recordites and the Contextistas can probably argue until they are blue in the face, and then disagree on what shade of blue it is.
But still.
Board wars are healthy things.
Typical.
You leave out the Pragmatics who argue that it doesn’t make any difference what the Recordites and the Contextistas think. The only thing that matters is what Kroenke thinks. And the way the Dollars and Sense goes, he is keeping him.
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