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  • #5725
    RamBill
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    Practice squad might not have room for Sam
    • By Jim Thomas •

    http://www.stltoday.com/sports/football/professional/practice-squad-might-not-have-room-for-sam/article_7787b734-98ba-5aba-a657-4d98bac89ef8.html

    Defensive end Michael Sam went unclaimed by Sunday’s waiver deadline and begins the week unemployed. Once he cleared waivers, Sam became eligible to sign with the practice squad of any NFL team. But there were only a few nibbles around the league — nothing concrete at this point — in what must have been a frustrating day for Sam.

    It appears highly unlikely that the Rams will add Sam to their practice squad. They already have five defensive ends on their 53-man roster and have depth needs at too many other positions to cover injuries, and they need players for the scout team to run the plays of opposing teams in practice now that the regular season is here.

    Practice squad players can practice but cannot play in games. They receive $6,300 a week during the 17 weeks of the regular season (which includes the bye week), which would be $107,000 over a full season. That’s about one-fourth of the rookie minimum wage for a player on the 53-man roster ($420,000). Even so, it’s a good spot for developmental players.

    Sam, the former University of Missouri All-American, was released by the Rams on Saturday. He arrived at Rams Park for a planned interview with coach Jeff Fisher around 1 p.m. Sunday. Sam entered the building via the media workroom entrance and shook hands with a couple of reporters but declined to comment. He subsequently met with Fisher, general manager Les Snead and defensive line coach Mike Waufle, and the meeting went well.

    As of Sunday night, the Post-Dispatch had confirmed the names of six players the Rams will sign for their 10-man practice squad. But they still had needs to address at quarterback, wide receiver, linebacker and cornerback — which would soak up the final four spots.

    None of the 22 Rams released Saturday was claimed by other teams Sunday, so a few more of them could end up on the team’s practice squad. Potential signees include QB Garrett Gilbert, WR Emory Blake, CB Greg Reid and LB Lawrence Wilson.

    Meanwhile, the Rams were not awarded any players off waivers from other teams, although they may have put in a claim or two.

    PRACTICE SQUAD SIGNINGS

    Although the team has not released the names of its practice squad signings, league sources confirmed that the Rams brought back these five players from their preseason roster: offensive guard Brandon Washington, offensive tackle Sean Hooey, wide receiver and kick returner Justin Veltung, defensive tackle Matt Conrath and safety Matt Daniels. In addition, they will sign linebacker Kevin Reddick, who had been with New Orleans.

    Washington, 26, missed the team’s first two preseason games with a hamstring injury but returned to see action against Cleveland and Miami.

    The 6-foot-2, 318-pound Washington was drafted in the sixth round in 2012 by the Eagles. Washington signed with the Rams after being waived by the Eagles and spent the 2012 campaign on the Rams’ practice squad.

    Last year, he was inactive for the first seven weeks of the season, spent the next six weeks on the practice squad and was inactive for two more weeks before making his NFL debut in the regular-season finale at Seattle on Dec. 29.

    Hooey, a 6-foot-9, 304-pounder from the University of Cincinnati, was signed as an undrafted free agent and spent the 2013 season on the practice squad. The 24-year-old spent the year reshaping his body and, despite some preseason pass-blocking troubles, has shown promise as a prospect at right tackle.

    Veltung, who stands 5 feet 11 and weighs 182 pounds, originally signed with Seattle but joined the Rams last summer after being claimed on waivers. After spending the majority of the season on the practice squad, he was activated for the final three games as a replacement for injured punt returner Tavon Austin. Veltung, 23, returned seven punts for 61 yards, an average of 8.7 per return.

    Veltung saw action in all four preseason games but missed some late-camp practice time with what appeared to be a hamstring injury.

    Conrath, 25, played in the first two preseason games but has been held out the past couple of weeks with a shoulder injury. The 6-7, 306-pound Conrath signed with the Rams as an undrafted rookie free agent just after the 2012 draft. He was inactive in all but one game that season, posting one tackle in the team’s tie with San Francisco that fall.

    Last year, Conrath was active and saw action in eight games, finishing with 11 tackles, one sack and one pass defended.

    The Rams are expected to announce their 10-man practice squad today.

    RAM-BLINGS

    Daryl Richardson, who began 2013 as the Rams’ starting running back, was signed to the New York Jets’ practice squad Sunday. On Saturday, the Jets waived Richardson, who ran for 475 yards and caught 24 passes for 163 yards as a rookie in 2012. Last year, Richardson was limited to just eight games with a painful toe injury. He made three starts and finished with 215 rushing yards to go along with 14 catches for 121 yards.

    • After claiming fourth-year linebacker Thomas Keiser off waivers from San Diego, Arizona waived WR-KR Walter Powell, who starred at Hazelwood East High and Murray State. He was the Cards’ sixth-round draft choice in May.

    • A pair of former Mizzou stars, RB Henry Josey and WR Marcus Lucas, were signed to practice squads. Josey, who was cut by Philadelphia on Saturday, hooked on with Jacksonville, while Lucas signed with Carolina. The Panthers waived Lucas on Saturday.

    • Two ex-Illinois linebackers have been waived — Jonathan Brown by Arizona and Justin Staples by Cleveland.

    #5728
    Mackeyser
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    As I feared, the league doesn’t have room for Sam.

    Now the “apology” stories are coming out about “but, but, but…it’s not over for Sam…don’t stop clicking on Michael Sam stories…” trying to say that practice squads are fluid and he could be picked up at any time.

    All that’s true… in the abstract. Then again, so could Tim Tebow.

    In reality, they both now seem to have about the same chance of making a squad.

    Only, Michael Sam can play his position pretty well.

    I found it fitting that Michael Sam sacked Johnny Manziel because he’s looked like the ultimate bust. Manziel’s probably going to break their hearts and get multiple chances in the league. I generally don’t play the “fair” card, but THAT’S just unfair…

    Sports is the crucible of human virtue. The distillate remains are human vice.

    #5730
    PA Ram
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    The conspiracy sided, cynical part of me wonders if Fisher didn’t take Sam more as a favor to the league than any real hope that he would make the team.

    I suspect Sam played better than he ever imagined.

    But when you sign a rookie FA for more money, you have to wonder if he wasn’t the guy they liked all along. Fisher is no dope. He knew the Rams probably had no room for Sam. But let him show his stuff, show he isn’t a distraction and maybe the kid gets a chance…and the league doesn’t have to answer a lot of uncomfortable questions of why the SEC Defensive player of the year can’t get on a team for even a tryout.

    All along, the Rams were too crowded for Sam.

    Yes–Westbrooks made it but, as I said, I think they liked him all along–and probably targeted him.

    So the Rams, in a sense, did their part. Sam did his part.

    But the rest of the league?

    I checked some of the stats on some of the DEs signed to practice squads yesterday. Their stats don’t compare with Sam’s.

    Some will still call it a “distraction” problem but that’s really up to the team as to whether it is a distraction or not. The one thing that none of these teams can say is that Michael Sam is not talented enough to play in the league.

    I’ve read some boards of fans scratching their heads as to why their team HASN’T signed Michael Sam.

    Look–it was great the Rams drafted him and gave him the chance to showcase his ability. I don’t know that if they hadn’t given him the chance anyone would have.

    For all the analysts talk about Sam breaking barriers and things changing….I’m not sure the NFL is there yet.

    There is no football reason why Michael Sam is not on SOME PS today.

    I’m sure the Rams and Fisher believe they did their part and maybe they hoped that would be enough. And part of me holds out hope that he’ll still catch on with a team–somewhere. An injury this year? A desperate team? Some other players not working out? Who knows? I just don’t think he should be in a spot to wonder IF that chance will come. He earned it during the pre-season. And while I really do understand why the Rams do not sign him(it’s hard to argue they aren’t crowded at the position)I can’t see why a team like the Cowboys can’t use him.

    I wish him the best.

    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick

    #5731
    Mackeyser
    Moderator

    Part of me wanted to do that, but I just didn’t because… I’d just get too mad about it.

    The adage holds true, “don’t ask a question you don’t want the answer to” and I already pretty much knew the answer. To KNOW the answer with actual players… well, that would make it harder, I think…

    Sports is the crucible of human virtue. The distillate remains are human vice.

    #5732
    Avatar photowv
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    Well, he just seems like a borderline talent
    to me. And given that he’s a borderline talent
    i think the gay-thing (“he’ll be a distraction”)
    probably scares off a lot of coaches/GMs.

    Jackie Robinson wasnt a borderline talent.
    Ya know.

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    #5733
    PA Ram
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    From Peter King MMQB:

    http://mmqb.si.com/2014/09/01/ray-mcdonald-49ers-domestic-violence-nfl/5/

    2. I think NFL teams are seeing ghosts on Michael Sam, who, as of midnight Sunday, was still on the street looking for a practice squad to join. If a team plays a 3-4, as many do, he’s not a fit. But Sam is a 257-pound defensive end in a 4-3 system who has a chance to create a little havoc and a chance—a chance, I say, not a sure thing—to be a growth stock for teams. But I talked to three team architects over the weekend. They’re concerned about the circus coming to town with the first openly gay player trying to make an NFL roster. What circus, exactly? A little ESPN story about shower habits? That’s been the big controversy of the last four months with Sam. He’s had two press conferences, peaceful and uneventful ones, and met the press briefly after each of the St. Louis preseason games, as any player would be subject to doing. And that has created exactly zero problems for the Rams. Point is: If you scout Sam in the preseason and like what you see, don’t go looking for ghosts. Bring him in, subject your coach to six or eight questions about him, let Sam talk to the group, and then the big controversy will disappear. End of story.

    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick

    #5734
    Avatar photozn
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    They’re concerned about the circus coming to town with the first openly gay player trying to make an NFL roster. What circus, exactly? A little ESPN story about shower habits? That’s been the big controversy of the last four months with Sam.

    This sounds exactly right. Meaning that yes that’s what teams are thinking.

    And IMO it’s a cover story. The real issue is they themselves can’t handle the idea of a gay player.

    #5736
    Avatar photonittany ram
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    http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/bills-player-tweets-blame-espn-michael-sam-job-article-1.1923566Michael

    Sam not picked up by NFL team, Bills’ Eric Wood tweets ‘Blame ESPN’
    In response to reporter wondering how Sam didn’t catch on, Bills lineman writes to ‘blame that on espn. No one wants the distraction.’
    BY DANIEL O’LEARY NEW YORK DAILY NEWS Monday, September 1, 2014, 2:18 AM A A A

    At least one Buffalo Bills player thinks he knows why Michael Sam did not catch on with an NFL team after being cut Saturday.
    Eric Wood, an offensive lineman for the Bills says to “Blame ESPN” in response to a reporter wondering why Sam didn’t catch on after a solid preseason performance.
    Ross Tucker, an analyst for NBC and Sirius XM NFL Radio among other outlets, wondered aloud via Twitter: “Michael Sam performed much better than most expected and still isn’t even on a practice squad?”

    Wood tweeted in response: “blame that on espn. No one wants the distraction.”
    Sam, the first openly gay player to be drafted by an NFL team – in the seventh round by the Rams this summer – was not signed to the Rams practice squad after being cut. ProFootballTalk.com had the find.

    #5738
    Avatar photowv
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    PA Ram wrote:
    They’re concerned about the circus coming to town with the first openly gay player trying to make an NFL roster. What circus, exactly? A little ESPN story about shower habits? That’s been the big controversy of the last four months with Sam.

    This sounds exactly right. Meaning that yes that’s what teams are thinking.

    And IMO it’s a cover story. The real issue is they themselves can’t handle the idea of a gay player.

    Well they would handle it if he were a star player, though.
    He’s a borderline talent, though. If he were a Chris Long or an Ogletree,
    they would sign him.

    The NFL is not ready for borderline-gay-players.

    Which of course, is not fair.

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    #5740
    Avatar photozn
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    zn wrote:

    PA Ram wrote:
    They’re concerned about the circus coming to town with the first openly gay player trying to make an NFL roster. What circus, exactly? A little ESPN story about shower habits? That’s been the big controversy of the last four months with Sam.

    This sounds exactly right. Meaning that yes that’s what teams are thinking.

    And IMO it’s a cover story. The real issue is they themselves can’t handle the idea of a gay player.

    Well they would handle it if he were a star player, though.
    He’s a borderline talent, though. If he were a Chris Long or an Ogletree,
    they would sign him.

    The NFL is not ready for borderline-gay-players.

    Which of course, is not fair.

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    v

    “Borderline” is the wrong word I think. He’s developmental. But he’s a developmental prospect at a position of top need–a situational 4/3 pass rusher. Hemming and hawing about THAT kind of player is not because he’s borderline…it’s because he’s gay. There will be far less talented or promising DEs who make practice squads.

    #5741
    Avatar photoAgamemnon
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    If we can put Veltung on the PS, we can put Sam on the PS. imo

    Agamemnon

    #5748
    GreatRamNTheSky
    Participant

    He’s a one trick pony and I have the feeling there are coaches who feel the exact same way as Tony Dungy. They don’t want the distraction.

    Grits

    #5750
    Winnbrad
    Participant

    I think Sam will get a phone call.

    We’re still a week away from the season starting. Except the GB/Seattle game on Thursday.

    Lots of teams could use a decent pass rusher. Sam is smart, everyone has seen the high motor and hard work. He could learn his job pretty quick on any team. When it’s 3rd and 17, everyone needs a pass rusher at DE. It’s not complicated. Get after the QB, and watch for the screen on your side.

    As for the “distraction” – once the season starts, the season becomes the story. Maybe teams are waiting to get closer to opening day before giving Sam a call? I don’t know. How difficult is the play book for a situational pass rushing DE? Leonard Little figured it out. And he certainly wasn’t the sharpest tack.

    At the end of the day, business is business. And the only thing that matters is winning (ok, and money). If a team believes that adding Sam will make them a better team, then they’d be foolish not to add him.

    And yeah, there’s a chance Sam won’t get a call. It seems stupid to even think it, but yeah, it could happen.

    #5751
    Avatar photozn
    Moderator

    Except Dungy assumed there’s a “distraction.” Plus of course Dungy has other issues with Sam, he just isn’t being explicit.

    Fisher said there was no “distraction.” I believe Fisher. He doesn’t have Dungy’s agenda and does have first-hand experience coaching the guy.

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