I think it all comes down to Florida

ABC news has Clinton up 5 points again, reversing the trend of “tightening.” They also say she has 275 EVs (basically locked up), in the lean Dem or solidly Dem category. Trump would have to flip a couple of “blue” states and win every single toss up to gain the White House.

It’s not likely.

Add to that, tremendous, unprecedented surges in Latino voting in Florida and Nevada, and it’s looking pretty solid for her.

But, to me, all of this angst could have been avoided if the Dems had chosen a decent candidate. Trump is so horrifically bad, so ignorant, so devoid of any actual policies, and so filled with hate — or at least peddling it for all it’s worth — dozens of other Dems (or Indies) could have put him away months ago. It’s only because Clinton has so much baggage that this is even a halfway contest.

Bigger picture? The country is sick to death of both parties and both candidates, and rightfully so. If it weren’t for the fact that both are owned and operated by the financial elite for its benefit, one or the other of our major parties might get a clue. One or the other party might decide to do what’s right for Americans and the planet, instead of their corporate/billionaire masters.

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NewMexicoRam wrote:

And to me, it could have all been avoided if the GOP had picked Rubio.

It could have been avoided if the GOP congressional leadership had honored their promises to voters over the last 15 years.

NewMexicoRam wrote:

Here it is–Maine’s 2nd congressional district that may decide the election.

And don’t worry, I have it covered. In fact I will be voting multiple times. I am extra motivated that way because if nothing else, the whole republican fake “voter fraud” campaign really pisses me off.

Here’s where I live, on the coast.

Ironic, but the only person charged with voting twice is a Trump supporter.

Trump supporter charged with voting twice in Iowa

Trump, in Colorado, all but encouraged it. Though websites like Vox say that’s a misreading. I don’t think so. Notice the woman’s rationale:

Rote told Iowa Public Radio that she cast her first ballot for Trump but feared it would be changed to a vote for Hillary Clinton.

“The polls are rigged,” Rote told the radio station.

NewMexicoRam wrote:

And to me, it could have all been avoided if the GOP had picked Rubio.

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To me it could have been avoided with a medium-sized Meteor.

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NewMexicoRam wrote:

We know that voter fraud in the USA is so insignificant as to be completely inconsequential. The numbers are ridiculously low. We also know that courts keep overturning doctored up ways to disenfranchise voters, and that the fake concern over “voter fraud” is just an excuse to push disenfranchisement.

That;s all pretty clearly established.

I mean expect among rightie site blogiorialists. But then they’re just deeply partisan. The only people who buy their schtick are just as partisan.

Which is fine. Yes I see you as a political partisan, in politics discussions. I know full well there’s more to you than that. Just as there’s more to me than partisan bashing.

I had a friend in Indiana who voted twice. Once in the county he lived in 2 years previously and once where he currently lived. And he really didn’t know it was illegal.

Okay. But that’s anecdotal. There are studies of voter fraud. It is what I said it is statistically–insignificant.

BUT. Using voter fraud as an cover to disenfranchise voters is real. It’s going on as we speak. There’s the court cases, and even some open admissions about it.

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As the GOP Suppresses Votes, Heritage President Admits It’s Helping Republicans

DeMint is not the first conservative to admit voter ID laws hurt Democrats, Republicans claim they will “make the difference” against Clinton.

Apr 29th, 2016

link: http://www.politicususa.com/2016/04/29/gop-suppresses-votes-heritage-president-admits-its-helping-republicans.html

Jim DeMint, the former South Carolina senator, acknowledged that the rash of Republican voter ID laws rampant in red states definitely helps elect “more conservative candidates.” DeMint then asserted, strongly by the way, that the only reason Democrats oppose harsh voter suppression and ID laws is because they help Republicans. DeMint is as deceitful as he is a liar as he is opposed to the democratic process. Research, studies, and empirical data reveal there is virtually no voter fraud going on anywhere; a fact DeMint knows is indisputable. More on that later.

The reason Democrats or anyone on the Left opposes “stringent voter ID requirements” is because they are created specifically to target the poor, students, the elderly, and people of color to prohibit them from exercising a basic American right to vote. If those groups believe Democrats are working for their best interest and not solely for the religious and the rich, of course they are going to vote for Democrats; they are disenfranchised, not stupid like conservative voters.

DeMint continued,

“The left fights voter ID or any kind of picture ID to know that it is actually a registered voter who’s voting. And so it’s something we’re working on all over the country, because in the states where they do have voter ID laws you’ve seen, actually, elections begin to change towards more conservative candidates.”

The Heritage president is implying the only honest voters in America are conservatives and perpetuated the bovine excrement argument that rampant voter fraud on the left is the only reason a Democrat can win an election. In fact, when he was queried about Virginia Governor Terry McAuliffe’s recent executive order restoring voting rights to over 200,000 Virginia residents, DeMint said exactly what one expects from Republicans entrenched in the voter suppression movement. “Governor McAuliffe is inviting more voter fraud” to help Democrats. DeMint may no longer be an officially active Republican politician, but the teabagger gave a typically Republican line about allowing Americans to vote; he said,

“It’s awfully suspicious coming into a big election in a state where it’s actually pretty close. I mean, states can decide who votes, but the governor seems over the top to me. I haven’t seen a complete analysis here, but the left is trying to draw votes from illegals, from voter fraud, a lot of different things, so this kind of fits right in to trying to find another group that they can basically count on to vote their way.”

It is awfully nice for DeMint to approve of states deciding who gets to vote, but he made a hypocritically atrocious claim about a Democratic state being “awfully suspicious” in restoring voting rights. This is particularly true when he just said Republicans enact harsh voter ID and suppression laws in order to disenfranchise Americans inclined to vote for Democrats and to help conservatives and Republicans win elections; a fact that no small number of Republicans have openly admitted to little outrage across Republican states.

DeMint is not the first conservative to admit voter ID laws benefit Republican candidates. A Wisconsin Republican, Glenn Grothman recently boasted that enacting harsh “photo ID laws is going to make the difference” in defeating Hillary Clinton in the 2016 general election.

In another study published a couple of months ago by researchers at the University of California-San Diego, the results confirmed what anyone with a functioning brain already knows; Republicans’ harsh voter ID laws adversely affect the turnout of minorities and Democrats.

Now, Republicans began claiming, after first losing control of Congress in 2006 and again when Barack Obama won in 2008 that out-of-control voter fraud incited their crusade to abolish the Voting Rights Act and implement the most severe vote suppression tactics since the Jim Crow era. It is noteworthy that several Republicans across the country have admitted, openly, that the voter ID and suppression tactics are to restrict tens-of-millions of Americans right to vote to help elect Republicans. And yet conservatives like DeMint continue claiming their anti-democracy efforts are simply to prevent voter fraud; something that hardly exists.

Less than two years ago a comprehensive investigation of over a billion votes cast since 2000 in every primary, general, special, recall and municipal election in the entire nation revealed that there were only 31 documented cases of voter fraud over the course of thirteen years and who knows how many state, federal, and regional elections. If the number thirty-one seems awfully small for over a billion votes cast, look at it as a percentage of over a billion votes; a stunningly small 0.000000031% over the past thirteen years. And, according to the researchers compiling those figures, it is more likely than not “that any fraud was more as a result of errors than deliberate cheating.”

Republicans are well aware they can hardly win if there are fair elections that allow all Americans to vote or they would not enact vote suppression and absurd voter ID laws. The sad fact is that their efforts have been successful with the valuable assistance of the Koch acolytes on the Supreme Court, and their crusade is ramping up across the nation, just as DeMint promised.

Obama is on video promoting VOtE FRAUD. I posted it yesterday. He said to break the law because he won’t enforce it. Exactly what he has done with immigration law for years. Now we know why.

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Vox has a more generous interpretation of Trump’s comments, saying he didn’t really mean to tell them to vote twice — or more.

When it comes to interpretive matters, people tend to go tribal. Like “bad calls” in the NFL.

More important, let’s remember this, from ZN’s article — a stat I’ve posted as well:

Less than two years ago a comprehensive investigation of over a billion votes cast since 2000 in every primary, general, special, recall and municipal election in the entire nation revealed that there were only 31 documented cases of voter fraud over the course of thirteen years and who knows how many state, federal, and regional elections.

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bnw wrote:

You are parroting the fraudsters. Go to http://www.blackboxvoting.com to learn the truth. Benny Smith of Memphis, TN discovered and proved the fraud that never gets reported by the MSM.

I was commenting directly on the fact that republicans in different states throughout the country deliberately set up campaigns to exclude various groups of people from voting.

That has culminated in a number of court cases.

Unless you openly speak out against that, you’re just being shamelessly partisan.

But…I don’t expect you to speak out against that, because on this issue as with many others, you probably are just simply and only partisan.

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Mackeyser wrote:

Just voted in Florida…

I gotta say… At least around the Tampa area where the Florida pundits are saying the this election will swing, Hillary is getting her ass handed to her. She just had a rally in a Dem county north of my county which is Manatee county and she couldn’t draw 300 people. I haven’t seen a single full Hillary bumper sticker. I’ve seen 2 Jill Stein and bunches of Bernie stickers even in conservative Manatee cty.

Don’t be surprised if Trump wins Florida or if it’s SUPER close. Republican vote by mail was up over Dem vote by mail by 600k to 400k. They don’t know who anyone voted for, obviously…

Edit: as of 9:02pm, I’m calling Florida for Trump. Moreover, if you look at so many states… Virginia, NC, Georgia, Ohio… they ALL look like they will go Trump… and that will put him over the 270.

I’m aghast…

President Trump…

And I live in the most Republican county in California. 70% registered Republicans. And I have seen fewer than 10 Trump stickers all year long.

Nobody wants to identify with these people because these people suck. But behind the curtain, they are voting for them.

So all I am saying is that bumperstickers are not scientific.

That’s California. Here in the deep South, you’d have trouble finding anyone who’d openly say they’re voting for Clinton.

My inkling… only an inkling at this moment which is 10:01pm is that with Clinton likely getting PA and VA, and Trump likely getting MI, OH and FL that Trump wins the Presidency 276 to Clinton’s 262.

Things may change, but it looks like the election may hinge on Michigan. As of right now, it looks like Trump is winning it based on the counties, but we’ll see how the turnout plays out.

The story of the night is the rural or “exurb” vote…

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Simon Rowntree @SRowntreeNews
I am at a Trump rally in Manhattan, and thousands are chanting “We hate Muslims, we hate blacks, we want our great country back”. Disgusting

It’s over FL goes Trump Ohio as well

Well–this is what America wants. This is what they get. They have no idea.

This country is fucked.