have the Rams drafted well? Below average, average, good, very good?

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  • #38406
    Avatar photozn
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    My bottomline basis for discussions like this is that good drafting teams hit on around 42-46% of their picks (a “hit” being anything from a good role player like a nickel back or 3rd WR to a regular starter). Mid-30s is average; anything above the high 40s is exceptional.

    That’s not a “grade” though. You then have to factor in the quality of the players and so on.

    Mentioning the baseline percentages just keeps the discussion from devolving into the assumption that good drafting teams hit on more than 50% of their picks. Uh, no they don’t.

    #38409
    Avatar photonittany ram
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    That’s not a “grade” though. You then have to factor in the quality of the players and so on.

    Agreed. A draft that yields 2 superstars is better than a draft that yields 4 or 5 average starters. So it certainly can’t just be about percentage of players that make the roster – or even that start. That’s a factor but it doesn’t tell the whole story. There’s alotta’ stuff to consider.

    #38410
    Avatar photoAgamemnon
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    I don’t think coaching is factored into whether a players is a bust. Sometimes it should be. imo

    But, I will keep this to the Rams as a whole, without trying to separate Fisher and Snead and putting trades in a different catagory.

    I approximate a bell curve, just based on my thumbnail evaluations.

    I put the Rams in the top 20%. I say that is a solid B. I compare it to what I think another team would have done if they had the Rams picks. I believe just as the graph indicates there is a hell of a lot of average out there and it has a large variance, cause picking player has a lot of hard to judge variables and not much separates a C- and a C+. So, chance will always be a huge factor. It is hard to get a B and it should be. imo

    The best way to beat the draft game is to have more picks and attract more CFAs and don’t screw up the top picks. imo

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    #38418
    Isiah58
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    I don’t know how anyone can look at the Rams’ last four drafts and think that they have not drafted well above average. They have managed to cull very good players at every stage of the draft, to the point where they have actually built depth at positions that are extremely difficult to obtain (e.g., cornerback). I understand that some people only want to look at records, and if the record is unsatisfactory then everything else must be lacking (coaching, drafting, players, etc.). Those willing to dig a little deeper understand that there have been circumstances that affect records beyond drafting. Fans who have suffered through so many losing seasons simply want results, and it is argued that anything that doesn’t further those results must be replaced. It doesn’t mean that good work hasn’t been done and continues to be done.

    As Zack notes, you can objectively put the Rams’ drafts up against any team and it compares favorable. I did a post a while back comparing the Rams’ drafts to Green Bay’s and Seattle’s, and there are few who would pick either of those teams’ drafts as a whole over the Rams’. But the thing that has been lacking, and holding the team back, is a competent passing game. I believe this is the last piece of the puzzle, and I believe that they Rams began the task of fixing this element over the last two drafts where an offensive lineman has been picked in all seven rounds (Robinson (1), Havenstein (2), Brown (3), Donnell (4), Battle (5), Wickman (6), and Rhaney (7)). We will hopefully see the fruits of that effort this year and next as those young linemen blossom. They have the makings of a strong running game. The offense is poised to take a big leap, if they can just get the point guard to distribute the ball.

    If the Rams had a Russell Wilson or a Ben Rothlesberger or a Drew Brees, I don’t think we would hear these grumblings about how Fisher has lost it or how Snead can’t draft. However, as about 18 other NFL teams are aware, there are simply not enough of these humans walking around on the earth and as badly as some fans want and expect this regime to conjure one up, it is a process that can take time. This does not take way the team that Snead and Fisher have assembled outside of QB, which is one of the youngest and most talented in the league. We used to look at this team in the offseason and bemoan the fact that there were just “too many holes” to fill with a draft or free agency. Does anyone feel that way now? A QB. A WR. A TE. That’s whats standing between this team and a strong playoff run. And in my opinion, it is in no small part thanks to the drafting acumen of the Rams over the last 4 years.
    Isiah58

    “Marge, don't discourage the boy! Weaseling out of things is important to learn. It's what separates us from the animals! Except the weasel.” - Homer Simpson

    #38422
    Avatar photoInvaderRam
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    without really looking at the numbers my gut instinct is the fisher/snead regime has done alright. with some absolute slam dunks in there. that could also go up depending on how the next several years go as i feel it’s a little premature to judge some of the picks.

    #38426
    Winnbrad
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    I think the Rams have drafted really well under Fisher/Snead. Unfortunately, there is one position that is an exception. And that exception involves the most important player on the field.

    #38517
    Avatar photozn
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    I say they have drafted well. I would rate them as “good.” Around 40% hits, and 2 huge scores with Donald and Gurley. Getting two excellent CBs in one draft (2102) is another indicator. The fact that 3 different linemen last year looked like good picks—Havenstein, Brown, and Wichman–is also indicative of good things.

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    #38523
    Avatar photoInvaderRam
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    i like snead. he’s young too. question is. like winnbrad says. can he find a qb?

    but this regime. it seems like their strengths are finding dlinemen, dbacks, running backs, and oline.

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