What happened to the Rams Buzz board ?

Herzog wrote:

WHAT HAPPENED?

Oz took the buzz board down. Which is his right. No complaints. So…here we are.

Eternal Ramnation wrote:

You can move this one . I didn’t really want a discussion just thought the title might pop on a search and help people find their way here.

That was good thinking because someone found the board that way. Searching the terms that came up in your title.

https://www.google.com/#q=Where+is+the+Ramsbuzz+board

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All I care about is someone getting word to TSRF. The rest is ancient history, IMO.

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wv telling only a small part of the story:
What’s the long story of its demise?
The short story is that X sold the ROD board to “Oz”
and OZ, who also ‘owned’ the Buzz-board, simply…blew it up.
Without giving anyone notice. Just zapped it, and left
this group without their favorite board.

Simply unethical behavior by Oz. No other word for it.

And now apparently the link to the Buzz board leads to — the ROD board.

I’m still kinda speechless.

He had every ‘right’ to blow up the board, but just because
you have the right to do something, doesn’t mean its the right thing to do.
He should have given people notice. There’s no justification or defense
for doing it the way he did it. It was low-down.

That would be a gross misrepresentation of the the facts wv. Anybody who would like the real story should ask PhxRam at the ROD. I know the real story but it’s not my place to tell it.

Alan

Alan wrote:

That would be a gross misrepresentation of the the facts wv. Anybody who would like the real story should ask PhxRam at the ROD. I know the real story but it’s not my place to tell it.

Alan?

That’s the sole reason you posted here, Albe? To get a dig in like that? I sincerely hope not.

Meanwhile what did WV say? He said that it was wrong to take a board down without giving prior notice to its posters. Are you disagreeing with that? That doesn’t “misrepresent” anything. In fact I don’t regard it as history. It’s just true…if you want to dump a site, you should tell the posters. My guess is that even Bob agrees with that, now that it is all said and done and over.

And btw I know both sides of that story. You know one.

The difference is, I am not going to post on it. In fact I don’t think it’s RIGHT to post on it. Not unless Bob wants to debate the rights and wrongs with me…in which case he can come here and do it in this thread. Other than that, my own feeling is this. We here got what we wanted…a site. The rest is history. So unless Bob comes over here and discusses it, I won’t. Things have to go on into a new world…or, if people want the history, Bob can come here and we can compare versions. I can’t go there…I can’t even read the site from home because I am IP blocked (ie. I have to go to log in through another network like my workplace to even read it).

My own main concern right here and now is this. TRSF directly asked where we went. Did anyone tell him? He should have a choice. Right now I don’t know that he does. That’s all I care about.

If you are going to be a member here, try to be a constructive one who joins in the good spirit on the Rams board. Anything else is worse than board wars…it’s INTER-board wars, which is just useless stuff. So I am asking you to move on. Jump into the new world, which now includes a reconstituted huddle board. Enjoy that…talk football.

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Eternal Ramnation wrote:

The most important is getting everyone home having said that the fact is we were given zero warning there is no arguing that and that is the only fact wv states as such . There is a reason this board has stayed together across 3 decades (90′s 2000′s and 2010′s) while while other boards rise and fall.wv’s whole point was we shouldn’t have to go join another board and ask why they blew up ours.Linking the old url to ROD where there is no mention of the buzz well it’s not defendable

ER…wv made his point, and I think it’s time to move on. Fair enough?

I don’t think there’s anything to be gained from keeping this alive.

If Bob wants to compare histories, he can. Right here, as I said. Short of that, I say let sleeping dogs lie. The same applies to Alan/Albe.

I hate doing this. Being a “move on” cop. But, we should be enjoying the community and its multiple views of the Rams (among many other things!). I want to urge people to do that. People naturally have passions but we need to move on I think.

here I am lets do this.

I am PhxRam (Bob) sole owner of the ramsbuzz.com website. You got questions or concerns ask them now.

zn wrote:

PhxRam wrote:
here I am lets do this.

I am PhxRam (Bob) sole owner of the ramsbuzz.com website. You got questions or concerns ask them now.

Okay but we follow all board rules or there’s no point in having them. We keep it civil.

That means we stick to the topic, which is–why did the buzz board get shut down suddenly with no prior notice. And then we either agree or agree to disagree and move on. I also don’t want people piling on just to pile on–that’s not fair and it’s never right when it happens.

We have a simple dispute and my hope is it can either be resolved or end in an eternal warless stalemate (like a benign divorce). Either way.

Agreed?

Okay, I will take agreement as being implicit and act accordingly. I don’t like board wars on good sites and have had my fill of them. But it is possible to air differences and either agree to move on or come to a better resolution.

My stance on this has been that you had a right to take the board down and that’s all I was going to say about it in public. I was content with that. But things obviously spilled over, and so it’s time to just move toward the agree or agree to disagree endgame then drop it.

First history, then questions.

History.

This linked post contains the entirety of the exchanges between us on he 28th which if memory serves is when you took the buzz board down: http://theramshuddle.com/topic/temporary-post-some-history/

That history will show this. I was blocked from both the buzz and ROD. By all appearances I was IP blocked. I even went to another network (by leaving home with my laptop) and had full access to the site from there.

I emailed you to find out why I was blocked.

I also went to another board and PMed a third party to ask if that third party knew anything.

The history post contains all of that.

Your response to my email was to deny you knew anything about me being blocked (you called it banned but I wasn’t banned). You reacted angrily to my 2nd, more impatient email which said: Come on man……if you have an issue just raise it, whatever it is, person to person. You don’t have to act like a dick and then expect me to guess what it’s about. That’s what ex-wives do. -:) Heck I never figured out why you blocked me from ROD the first time.

You then apparently took the site down. (I didn’t even know you had until the third party I mentioned said you did…I couldn’t access the site at all).

The Questions

If you were pissed at me, why not just ban ME…why blow up an entire site? These guys loved that site.

Also, think…why would I “make up” being blocked? I had nothing to gain from doing that, and it was frustrating as hell. Here I was managing a site I didn’t even have access to…with the very natural supposition I was blocked for reasons unknown.

If the situation had been reversed AND I HADN’T BLOCKED YOU, I would have just gone “calm down, we’ll figure it out.”

So you either blocked me and deny it OR you did not think about what it would mean for me to BE blocked…and how that NATURALLY led to frustration.

(Though in retrospect, regardless what you did or what I thought, I shouldn’t have called you a dick…that was just the frustration of being blocked from the site. You did build the site in the first place and give it an honest chance at first, even though you became very absentee after buying ROD.)

I think you know regardless what reason you think you had, blowing up a site without prior notice is not the best way to do things.

And remember–regardless what you say, I was blocked (still am at ROD). Now imagine the frustration of that. So either you blocked me OR you are not thinking very hard about how that would bother someone.

Then. I find out accidently and indirectly that one former buzz poster is at the ROD site asking where the buzz community was, and when I saw that–again, having to leave home to access it through another network because I was still blocked at ROD–no one would tell him. So I just urged people here to tell him somehow, so he would at least have a choice.

A lot of people wonder why the buzz URL re-directs to ROD now but I don’t care about that, myself.

I will wait for a response before saying more.

My goal is resolution and endgame. I hate board wars. They make the net ugly.

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Eternal Ramnation wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Alan wrote:</div>
wv telling only a small part of the story:
What’s the long story of its demise?
The short story is that X sold the ROD board to “Oz”
and OZ, who also ‘owned’ the Buzz-board, simply…blew it up.
Without giving anyone notice. Just zapped it, and left
this group without their favorite board.

Simply unethical behavior by Oz. No other word for it.

And now apparently the link to the Buzz board leads to — the ROD board.

I’m still kinda speechless.

He had every ‘right’ to blow up the board, but just because
you have the right to do something, doesn’t mean its the right thing to do.
He should have given people notice. There’s no justification or defense
for doing it the way he did it. It was low-down.

That would be a gross misrepresentation of the the facts wv. Anybody who would like the real story should ask PhxRam at the ROD. I know the real story but it’s not my place to tell it.

Alan

<span class=”d4pbbc-font-color” style=”color: blue”>The most important is getting everyone home having said that the fact is we were given zero warning there is no arguing that and that is the only fact wv states as such . There is a reason this board has stayed together across 3 decades (90′s 2000′s and 2010′s) while while other boards rise and fall.wv’s whole point was we shouldn’t have to go join another board and ask why they blew up ours.Linking the old url to ROD where there is no mention of the buzz well it’s not defendable</span>

you got a problem with the way things were handled ask ME.

PhxRam wrote:

once again I like how you set the terms and make an agreement when I am not around to respond to them.

I am here now and I accept whatever terms you want.

I forewarn you that I AM going to post PMs and emails. If you dont want a part of those terms let me know now. (in your time 5 minutes)

I already posted them.

http://theramshuddle.com/topic/temporary-post-some-history/
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SO YOU AGREE EVERYTHING IS FAIR GAME?

What I posted are the only exchanges on the 28th.

If you had issues that went to long before that, why in the heck didn’t you say anything? (?)

The last time we had a PM exchange was months ago, in which I thanked you for removing my name from negative exchanges on ROD, and also asked you if those guys lobby you against the buzz board. That led to no answer which was fine. I let it go. I just figured you were an absentee owner and carried on business as usual.

The site went down another time when you changed aspects of it (without notice), and you failed to finish it, and at the time I got upset because it was incomplete. You said my bad so I said everything was fine.

Before those, the site went down after you bought ROD, and you rebuilt it minus many features…I asked about some of them (not all) and you basically said you could just take the site down. So I just said alright let it go. I figured things would just run the way they were, but not to ask for anything.

Those exchanges taught me that I shouldn’t ask you for things but that mostly we were just going to be allowed to exist. Thats’ what I thought.

Though you did block me from ROD months ago (or weeks ago?) and I never figured out why. I let that go.

You;re here presumably because there’s disputes about the way in which you took down ROD on the 28th. If you had issues before the 28th you should have said something. But I don’t see how those are pertinent to taking down an entire community’s board (remember this is not just me) without prior notice.

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Eternal Ramnation wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>PhxRam wrote:</div>

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Eternal Ramnation wrote:</div>

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Alan wrote:</div>
wv telling only a small part of the story:
What’s the long story of its demise?
The short story is that X sold the ROD board to “Oz”
and OZ, who also ‘owned’ the Buzz-board, simply…blew it up.
Without giving anyone notice. Just zapped it, and left
this group without their favorite board.

Simply unethical behavior by Oz. No other word for it.

And now apparently the link to the Buzz board leads to — the ROD board.

I’m still kinda speechless.

He had every ‘right’ to blow up the board, but just because
you have the right to do something, doesn’t mean its the right thing to do.
He should have given people notice. There’s no justification or defense
for doing it the way he did it. It was low-down.

That would be a gross misrepresentation of the the facts wv. Anybody who would like the real story should ask PhxRam at the ROD. I know the real story but it’s not my place to tell it.

Alan

<span class=”d4pbbc-font-color” style=”color: blue”>The most important is getting everyone home having said that the fact is we were given zero warning there is no arguing that and that is the only fact wv states as such . There is a reason this board has stayed together across 3 decades (90′s 2000′s and 2010′s) while while other boards rise and fall.wv’s whole point was we shouldn’t have to go join another board and ask why they blew up ours.Linking the old url to ROD where there is no mention of the buzz well it’s not defendable</span>

you got a problem with the way things were handled ask ME.

<span class=”d4pbbc-font-color” style=”color: blue”> First thanks for building the Buzz, loved that board. Why take it down with no notice? Why link ROD to the Buzz’s old URL ?It’s not a problem anymore so it’s not worth a bunch of negative energy but if you have a legit reason I’d like to hear it. Personally I think the guys over there are better off over there and we’re better off here no disrespect just the way it is as I see it. If it was a heat of the moment thing yeah I can understand that too but once you cooled down a notice post something would have been better than just silence.</span>

Out of curiousity.. would you make false allegations and call the person that feeds you a dick without some repercussion? Mind you this is coming from someone who just admitted he needed help posting a youtube video. Now he is a internet guru and throws around a few buzz words like Ip address?

PhxRam wrote:

Out of curiousity.. would you make false allegations and call the person that feeds you a dick without some repercussion? Mind you this is coming from someone who just admitted he needed help posting a youtube video. Now he is a internet guru and throws around a few buzz words like Ip address?

They’re not false. I was blocked. From both ROD and the buzz. I am still blocked from ROD. And as I said if I were in your position and I HADN’T blocked you, I would at least have gotten your frustration at being blocked from a site you manage all day without any explanation. I would have just gone “calm down, we’ll fix it.”

But then I don’t know why I was blocked and if you can’t see it’s natural to assume you’re the one who did it…then I don’t know what to tell you. Who else could have blocked me from both sites?

Plus I was blocked from ROD before…weeks ago. I have no idea why I was blocked then and no idea why I was subsequently unblocked…but I let it go. I just thought it was you and you had some issue but I wasn’t going to ask (being blocked from ROD was not high on my list of problems).

And yeah I am low-tech…that always comes out from you as an insult. (In fact a couple of times at the buzz I asked you to tone that kind of thing down on the board.) But I don’t take it as one. I am happy to scratch around and figure things out on the tech side.

Oh and you are edging toward the line with personal insults. This is a civi exchange, or there was no point in us posting rules here. Fair enough?

And do you think someone who gets blocked from a site they manage for no apparent reason takes it lightly? I wanted to know why you blocked me. I figured you had some issue you weren’t talking about. That’s a natural supposition…who else had the power to block me from 2 sites?

And, again, you being pissed at me, for whatever reason you name, should not have led to you blowing up a whole community’s site WITHOUT NOTICE. They had nothing to do with our issues, whatever they are (and I still don’t know).

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