Alex Van Pelt or Chudzinski for OC? Rams ask permission to speak to both.

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  • #16863
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    Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet 11m11 minutes ago
    The #Rams also sent in a request to speak with #Packers QB coach Alex Van Pelt for their OC opening, source said.

    Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet 29m29 minutes ago
    The #Rams have requested permission to speak with #Colts special assistant Rob Chudzinski for their OC opening, source said.

    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick

    #16864
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    Laram is very high on Chudzinski.
    Not sure why.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rob_Chudzinski

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    #16866
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    Chudzinski is linked to Norv Turner in this article,
    so i guess he runs the Coryell Offense.
    http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/blog/index.ssf/2013/01/rob_chudzinskis_flexibility_ex.html

    #16867
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    Van Pelt was OC for the Bills in 2008 before the whole coaching staff was fired.

    The team finished 23rd overall.

    22nd passing.(Trent Edwards and J.P. Losman)

    14th rushing(they had Fred jackson and Marshawn Lynch)

    Apparently the Packers QB coaches kept getting offered OC jobs–the last two: Clements(now OC for Packers) and Ben Mcadoo(Giants).

    Maybe working with Aaron Rodgers makes them good candidates?

    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick

    #16868
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    i don’t like what i read about van pelt.

    #16869
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    Chudzinski is a fan darling. He’s the better known commodity.

    The positive spin on Van Pelt:

    This would be a promotion, from position coach to coordinator. That’s a typical thing. There are only so many out of work experienced coordinators.

    He was only a coordinator for one year.

    I don’t look at offensive rankings for coordinators. As often as not it’s misleading out of context.

    He has been the qb coach in Green bay, after having other positions before that. That means his most recent run is as an assistant to McCarthy in Green Bay, and there is nothing bad about THAT.

    It also means he’s a WCO guy, probably. From the looks of things he ran a WCO in Buffalo his one year as a coordinator. So yeah he’s a WCO guy.

    Josh Freeman was pretty promising in Tampa when he was the Bux qb coach.

    Maybe working with Aaron Rodgers makes them good candidates?

    It’s more like McCarthy has a good eye for offensive coaching talent. Plus, the Rodgers part is irrelevant. It’s working with McCarthy that makes them interesting.

    #16872
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    I like the Van Pelt bloodlines. Intelligence combined with a ruthless desire for success, even if it means humiliating a few people along the way.

    #16873
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    working with mccarthy is what would be most appealing to me. he was also the running backs coach before moving to qbs.

    i don’t know. i look for something to stand out about him but i don’t see much.

    #16874
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    working with mccarthy is what would be most appealing to me. he was also the running backs coach before moving to qbs.

    i don’t know. i look for something to stand out about him but i don’t see much.

    He worked for McCarthy.

    Good pedigree.

    The truth is, most fans like us, when it comes to discussing most coordinator hires–mostly the ones where a position coach gets promoted (like Martz)–we have no clue one way or another. It’s what we’re least good at discussing.

    I remember when Vermeil hired Martz. A lot of guys were like “who?”

    #16875
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    regardless. whatever oc the rams hire is going to need a healthy offensive line and a healthy quarterback.

    cuz probably more important than hiring martz was trading for a hall of fame running back, signing a potential hall of fame qb from the arena league, and having a potential hall of fame left tackle anchoring your line.

    yeah. if bradford can stay healthy. and greg robinson can realize his potential. add a couple more pieces on the offensive line. and if tre mason can build off his rookie year. yeah. whatever oc they hire will have an easier time than schotty.

    #16876
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    Rams want to interview Van Pelt, Chudzinski for OC job

    By Jim Thomas

    http://www.stltoday.com/sports/football/professional/rams-report/rams-want-to-interview-van-pelt-chudzinski-for-oc-job/article_ff597024-7927-53f8-9411-c5d793a05450.html

    The Rams’ deliberate search for an offensive coordinator picked up pace Monday when the team requested permission to interview a pair of candidates whose teams were eliminated Sunday in the NFL’s conference championships games.

    The Rams sent in a request on Green Bay quarterbacks coach Alex Van Pelt, and also on Rob Chudzinski, who was special assistant to head coach Chuck Pagano in Indianapolis.

    Chudzinski, 46, was head coach of the Cleveland Browns in 2013 and has had previous NFL stints with Carolina, San Diego and the Browns as an assistant.

    Van Pelt, 44, has spent the past three seasons with the Packers, having also worked for Buffalo and Tampa Bay.

    Monday’s developments bring to five the number of known candidates the Rams have either sought permission or been granted permission to interview. Two of them, Greg Roman (to Buffalo) and Kyle Shanahan (to Atlanta), have taken jobs elsewhere. Denver’s Adam Gase is the other candidate, but he remains in the mix in Baltimore, Jacksonville, and Chicago.

    Greg Olson, most recently with Oakland, and Nathaniel Hackett, most recently with Buffalo, also remain possibilities for the offensive coordinator job that opened when Brian Schottenheimer left to take the same position in the college ranks at Georgia earlier this month.

    #16879
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    Checking in on Rams’ offensive coordinator search

    By Nick Wagoner

    http://espn.go.com/blog/st-louis-rams/post/_/id/15539/checking-in-on-rams-offensive-coordinator-search

    EARTH CITY, Mo. — Real, tangible news on the St. Louis Rams’ search for an offensive coordinator has been difficult to uncover.

    That’s probably by the design of head coach Jeff Fisher, who surprised many last year when he and Gregg Williams solved whatever issues they had and reunited in St. Louis after Fisher relieved Tim Walton of his defensive coordinator duties.

    After Brian Schottenheimer departed for the offensive coordinator job at Georgia, I wrote in this space that it’s probably best not to expect Fisher’s search to play out publicly or swiftly. That isn’t how he’s handled things in the past, and it again doesn’t appear to be the case this time around.

    Schottenheimer’s departure came nearly two weeks ago, and to this point it’s been hard to confirm any actual interviews taking place, though we do know of a few names the Rams have shown interest in or spoken to in some capacity. That list includes Greg Roman, Kyle Shanahan, Nathaniel Hackett and Adam Gase.

    Roman never made it to a Rams interview, taking the coordinator job in Buffalo. The Rams requested an interview with Gase, but it’s unknown if that will happen. He’s received similar overtures from Atlanta, Jacksonville, Oakland and Chicago and interviewed for the head-coaching job in Denver, so he has no shortage of options. It appears he’s also going to be a strong candidate in Baltimore after Gary Kubiak moves on to Denver and Jacksonville is in better position than many might realize after Gase interviewed there Sunday. Gase has family in the Jacksonville area.

    Shanahan is a name that has obvious ties to Fisher, but he looks to be headed to Atlanta with Dan Quinn if and when the Falcons hire Quinn as head coach. That can’t officially happen until after the Super Bowl but the Falcons can hire Shanahan before then.

    A few others to keep an eye on include an in-house candidate in tight ends coach Rob Boras and Indianapolis special assistant Rob Chudzinski. Chudzinski is also expected to be a factor in San Francisco’s search but NFL Network reported Monday morning that the Rams have asked for permission to interview Chudzinski. It was also thought that Fisher might have a surprise candidate or two up his sleeve in the form of a current position coach somewhere in the league. According to the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, the Rams have requested permission to talk to Green Bay quarterback coach Alex Van Pelt, who would fit that bill.

    It’s possible more clarity could come this week as the Rams head to the Senior Bowl in Mobile, Alabama. It’s a place where plenty of NFL business gets taken care of, so even if the Rams don’t nail down their next coordinator, other dominoes could fall that might ultimately help render a decision.

    #16884
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    Nooo west coast offense…!keep it Coryell. Chudinski is the only one I’ve liked so far bc of that fact.

    #16894
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    Chudzinski is my preferred choice for a few reasons. I could write up something longer and probably will, but I’ll just keep it short for now because I got dinner and cleaning to do.

    1) He runs basically the same offense. That’s CRUCIAL. We have young guys who need the consistency. As we saw on the D, it takes time to transition and we are ready to win NOW. To switch offensive systems can take a year to two years. To properly implement a WCO takes two full seasons according to Bill Walsh. Takes 3 for the Perkins-Earhardt (which is probably why almost no one other than NE tries to put it in and NE can do what it does… it’s complicated and requires longevity and smarts at the QB and HC positions, something very few franchises have). Adapting Chud’s version of the Coryell offense should only take the off-season. It may take a few games to really get in sync, but it shouldn’t even take that long. He may even keep the same language or same calls if it helps speed up the learning curve.

    2) He had success in a similar division. Chud had offensive success in the AFC North, aka the Black and Blue division where the defenses are the most comparable to the NFC West in Pittsburgh, Baltimore, Cleveland and Cincinnati. So for him to have offensive success in Cleveland even if it didn’t translate to wins including Hoyer breaking out before his injury and Josh Gordon leading the league in receiving even when everyone knew he was the main target shows that he can design plays that GET guys open and even better, got them open on the move. And we NEED that because Schotty couldn’t. The best he could do was to get them open on sit down routes which is why our RAC was just abysmal.

    3) He emphasizes a power running game and a vertical passing game which goes to the strength of this team. If Bradford can come back, he’s about the perfect fit for Bradford because he’s not a system switch, but he plays to Bradford’s strengths far more than Schotty did in that he’s more of a vertically oriented offensive mind. Plus, he’s going to REALLY want to use the TEs which means our return on Jared Cook will skyrocket.

    There’s more, but I think Chud would be great. Plus, if we draft someone like Hundley who I really like, Chud’s a guy who could develop Hundley or whichever QB we draft while continuing to refine Bradford (he still needs to work on his touch).

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    #16895
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    you say you like hundley. what do you like specifically about hundley?

    #16896
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    he can design plays that GET guys open and even better, got them open on the move. And we NEED that because Schotty couldn’t.

    You and I differ on Schott, though not on Chudzinski. I think C is everything you say he is. I would say Schott could get receivers open when he had receivers and a qb. Unfortunately, it wasn’t that often he had both. By far the best WRs he had were in 2014, and he didn’t have the qb. Buy far the best qb he had was Bradford, but in 2013 they had little or nothing and in 2012 they had Gibson and Amendola. What Schott showed me in 2012 was as little as he had DA, he used him better than anyone has before and since, and was even getting him long balls deep.

    Last year even with Davis and Hill, you put their numbers up combined, according to PFF the Davis/Hill qb would be 9th in the league in attempts of 20 yards or more. So there’s a vertical game to Schott…when he has the qb and a WR.

    But that’s the past. Just an interesting difference of opinion.

    Chud would be good. In fact the way you put all that, I think the offense wouldn’t be that different from what they’ve had.

    At the same time, nothing in Van Pelt makes me wary of him, and I like his graduate school degree (ie. coaching for McCarthy).

    There are only so many experienced coordinators available. Most experienced coordinators were once position coaches who got promoted. It’s just that when it comes to this part of it, we as fans know far less. So it’s harder to assess it.

    #16957
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    Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter
    Ravens hired former Bears HC Marc Trestman as OC, per source.
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    Jason La Canfora ‏@JasonLaCanfora
    The Jags are hiring Greg Olson to be their offensive coordinator. The market is thinning out of the best candidates

    So far today we have Marrone, Olson and Trestman securing new gigs. Adam Gase among those still available
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    Laram – on Olson

    He did some very nice things taking over for Linny when he was here.

    He showed better patience and balance, and IMO THAT was one of the best Rams offenses in many years.

    Less error prone and more of what I wished the GSOE would have been.

    People love that offense for the sizzle, but I would take the 2006 offense if I wanted to win championships.

    Wish him well.
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    #16964
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    Laram – on Olson

    He did some very nice things taking over for Linny when he was here.

    He showed better patience and balance, and IMO THAT was one of the best Rams offenses in many years.

    Less error prone and more of what I wished the GSOE would have been.

    People love that offense for the sizzle, but I would take the 2006 offense if I wanted to win championships.

    Wish him well.

    You know, I agree with all of that. Jackson’s best games as a Ram, too.

    #16972
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    Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet
    Former #Broncos OC Adam Gase is flying to Chicago to interview for #Bears OC tomorrow, source said. Could move very quickly.

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