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ZooeyModeratorComparing some Combine numbers from two Rams' superstars (WR Cooper Kupp, DT Aaron Donald):
Kupp/Donald
4.62/4.69 – 40 yd
1.62/1.63 – 10 yd
31/32 – Vertical
9-7/9-8 – Broad
204/285 – Weight— Dane Brugler (@dpbrugler) February 14, 2022
February 16, 2022 at 1:39 pm in reply to: highlights, break downs, etc … superbowl … updated w/ Baldinger #136492ZooeyModeratorOn the non-call:
Simply put, the officiating crew didn’t believe it impacted the outcome of the play.
“Our rule is that if there is a grab and twist and turn, there’s enough for a foul,” NFL official Robert Torbert told PFWA pool reporter Joe Reedy, adding the officials saw no twist-and-turn of Ramsey’s helmet. “If there’s just a rake across the facemask, where there’s not a twist and turn even if there’s a grab, there is no foul. The officials did not see any contact that rose to the level of a foul for a 15-yard facemask.”
This is worse than saying they blew it, imo.
He did twist and turn, and it caused Ramsey to lose his balance. Ramsey was inside that guy’s jersey, and could have picked that pass off. Dude flung him out of the way. There’s no way that wasn’t a flagrant penalty. The ref blew it, and should just say so.
ZooeyModeratorThere were a lot of “what ifs” the entire post-season.
The Rams shouldn’t have won that game with all the injuries.
But they benefited from the way I drew up the bracket to give them the advantage in every game. They got AZ at home. SF went to GB, and beat them, and I think they were the only team built to beat GB in GB after a bye week in those conditions. Meanwhile, the Rams got the Bucs in good weather with some injuries of their own. Then SF at home, and then the weakest division winner from the AFC.
The Rams caught a LOT of breaks.
At the same time, they earned this trophy.
ZooeyModeratorI have seen nobody mention that, after that holding call, on the very next play – which would have been 4th down – Eli Apple committed flagrant pass interference anyway.
While it’s true that the next play call might have been different on 4th and 8 rather than 1st and 4, you really reaching into an alternative timeline and rigging it to give you the outcome you want if you claim that holding call robbed the Bengals.
ZooeyModeratorLet me add this: the extremely motivated, competitive guys…they are driven.
And while at the moment it may seem like climbing the peak is the ultimate goal, and having conquered it, there is nothing else…
For guys like that…there’s something else. Because Donald and McVay did not work insanely hard their entire lives to just check off a few awards like a shopping list. There is something bigger. Winning twice. Getting on Mt. Rushmore.
A Super Bowl victory is great, but once that confetti is vacuumed up, they’re going to look around at the guys who have two rings. Three rings.
I could be wrong, but my read on those two guys is that they are internally driven to be the best they can be. Not just to win. To be the best.
And a lotta people have one Super Bowl.
Maybe I’m wrong. Maybe this is enough for them, and they really just want to settle down and drink lemonade on the porch for the next 75 years. But I don’t think so.
ZooeyModeratorZooeyModeratorAnd that’s right when Woods got hurt, so that didn’t help.
They adjusted. He adjusted. And he was clicking with OBJ at the end.
And you left out Higbee.
An offseason with Woods, OBJ, Kupp, and Higbee? Sign me up for that spectacle.
ZooeyModeratorJoe Burrow’s no look pass is insane 😏 pic.twitter.com/lf0fUrZ9KE
— Rams HQ (@LARAMSHQ) February 16, 2022
ZooeyModeratorRight now? He may get in, but not immediately. He would be debated.
Seven more years with McVay?
He’s in.
Probably 3 more years.
After this Super Bowl stuff dies down, and people get bored and start looking at 2nd tier questions, people are going to start looking more carefully at his Detroit years. And I don’t know what that examination will reveal, exactly, because I sure didn’t watch him play in Detroit, but a man who has those stats while never winning is probably going to get a more favorable review. I would think.
If he retired today? He might get in several years after eligibility.
But his trajectory is HOF. If he is a stock, I’m buying.
ZooeyModeratorSo, what do you guys think about the possibility of McVay retiring?
Close to zero right now.
He’s not going to coach until his 65.
But he is a driven man, and he has it all right now, and he knows that he has a shot at football immortality, and a loaded team on and off the field. After the glory and relief wear off, he will look at Belichek and Reid and Arians…and maybe even Walsh and Noll…and he’s going to like his chances of elevating his history right now.
He wants more money, and he deserves it, and he will get it. And that will “provide for his family.”
But he’s not leaving now.
ZooeyModeratorSapp has changed his tune.
He downplayed Donald the first few years. And I guess that’s fair.
Longevity and consistency are certainly factors.
ZooeyModeratorHere's another play… AD is just a beast!😤 pic.twitter.com/OezWyOn1DX
— Alejandro Glvan (@AleGalvan13) February 16, 2022
ZooeyModeratorThe fact that Aaron Donald made this sack is 🤯
That man is unreal. pic.twitter.com/TNlAsutDFE
— Super Bowl CHAMP jonah (@j_nametag) February 16, 2022
ZooeyModeratorbrb running through a brick wall. #SBLVI pic.twitter.com/CvXenl4FCB
— Los Angeles Rams (@RamsNFL) February 15, 2022
ZooeyModerator1000%%% #RamsHouse pic.twitter.com/YvzNfGIBZe
— OBguey objs twin brother! (@mikeyayye99) February 15, 2022
ZooeyModeratorJalen Ramsey gave up 134 yards…
75 of which shouldn’t have counted
46 on a hell of a grab from Chase
That leaves 15… it was by no means his best game ever but we shall not slander this man for taking some chances
Context matters
— Soul Snatching Stafford (@Giruzzi) February 15, 2022
ZooeyModeratorEli Apple trying to guard Cooper Kupp in the fourth quarter pic.twitter.com/gQ2tM29P2I
— Complex Sports (@ComplexSports) February 14, 2022
ZooeyModeratorYoooo RT @NFL_Memes: Eli Apple was reportedly struck by a vehicle outside his Cincinnati residence this morning 😳🙏 pic.twitter.com/wi2M7Lx4UB
— Rastadem 🇭🇹 (@Rizziduals) February 15, 2022
ZooeyModeratorSuch an incredible experience providing coverage at my first Super Bowl, unlike Eli Apple. pic.twitter.com/7QelePlnfE
— Annie Agar (@AnnieAgar) February 14, 2022
February 15, 2022 at 3:52 pm in reply to: the really big articles & longer vids on the super bowl #136504ZooeyModeratorThat was a rock solid piece by Rodrigue. She nailed it.
It’s nice to read and hear the observations of some of these people. I think they mostly caught the nature of the event, and the moment, with the exception of a bit of white noise about the holding call. That stuff is crap. But the rest of this is all good stuff.
This was a good team that crystalized at the right time, and had enough strength to overcome, really, a blitzkrieg of injuries to productive players. I like these guys. I like the culture I watched emerge. I liked having confidence in this team, even when they were down in the 4th quarter. I’m going to remember this season and this squad fondly.
The 99 team was special, too. That team came out of nowhere, and nobody believed they were actually good, and in many ways, the season came easily to that team until the NFC Championship. Not that there was no adversity, but it wasn’t defined by that.
This team went through a lot. This team had to undergo some soul-searching. They had to learn together, and struggle together, and overcome challenges together. By the time OBJ blew his knee out, this team had already tempered its metal, and they just sucked it up, and willed themselves to victory. These guys earned it, and they deserved it.
ZooeyModerator“There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about.”
~ Matt Stafford, The Picture of Dorian Gray
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ZooeyModeratorZooeyModeratorHere’s a Cincinnati view: https://www.cincyjungle.com/2022/2/15/22933100/bengals-tuesday-trenches-they-are-who-we-thought-they-were-super-bowl-56
One thing jumped out at me in particular:
- The offensive line did a good job keeping Burrow clean over the majority of the first half, but as soon as the Rams figured out how to get Aaron Donald one-on-one by sending Von Miller inside, the dam broke. It was only a matter of time before it happened. Unfortunately, it stopped the Bengals from scoring any points over their final five drives of the game. They had not gone five drives without scoring all season. You can’t do that in a game and expect to win.
ZooeyModeratorWell, i dont think its a coincidence that Kupp elevated his game right when Stafford became the QB. Kupp would not have had this kind of year, with Goff. Its some sort of symbiosis type thing. Stafford and Goff are more than the sum of their parts. Their skills and weird-psychic-connection make the combo lethal. Btw, I predicted Kupp would be injured at some point this year. But he proved to be quite strong and durable. Instead, Higby, Woods, and OBJ went down. w v
Yeah, in the beginning of the season, I thought Stafford was a bit better, and just more mature/experienced than Goff. I now think the gap in talent between the two of them is larger than I initially believed. The book is not closed, of course. We will see how Stafford and Goff each perform next year, but…man. I believe in Matthew Stafford now. I’m a Staffordite.
While there was a lot of noise about that holding call at the end of the game, I saw only one person (Cowherd) make the observation that it was 3rd down. Without that flag, the Rams still have the ball, and I don’t really have doubt that they would have scored on 4th and goal. I just think on 4th and 8, Stafford would have scored anyway. What, in the 4th quarter, did my man Stafford do all season long?
I just now think that the Rams are basically in the playoffs as long as Stafford and Kupp are playing together. Damn, they just won the Super Bowl with no #2 or #3 WR, a #3 or 4 TE (who had ONE regular season possession), and a run game that did nothing but maybe keep the defense honest. Seriously, after OBJ went down, Stafford had Kupp and some filler. The filler did just enough, but that game was about the stars, as others have pointed out.
I underrated Cincy’s DLine, btw. They shut down the run. But they got to Stafford only twice.
ZooeyModeratorPeter King article on the super bowl
Good one. I agree with Peter King on all of that. We see it the same way, even about the Bengals. Colin Cowherd put it like this: the Bengals are like a 6th seed in the NCAA tournament that wins a few games at the buzzer, but ends up in the final against Duke, and the magic runs out.
Man, imagine if the Rams had Higbee, Woods, and Beckham.
ZooeyModeratorRight now, I think it’s clear: Kupp is the best wideout in football; AD the best defensive player; Ramsey the best corner; McVay top three coach. I still don’t know where to place Stafford, but his playoff run gets him into the conversation for at least top five.
I agree with that. And I am still trying to process the idea that the Rams have two players on their team who are arguably the best player in the game.
I think there’s a part of me that just didn’t believe my eyes with Cooper this year. He’s always been scrappy and productive, but not…sensational…or something. I don’t know what I expect from a great WR…maybe somebody huge and fast like Moss or Owens. But, man, you look back on his season, and right through the playoffs, and it just could be the greatest season a WR has ever had. That just isn’t a lie. Cooper Kupp is just a cheat code. He gets open, he catches the ball, and he can’t be tackled. He is surreal.
And just to add to what I said earlier about the Millers and Beckhams finding LA attractive, all of these guys – Beckham, Stafford, Ramsey, Floyd, even Miller to some extent – they all came in with a bit of a chip on their shoulder. Something to prove. I suspect that was more luck than design, but McVay/Snead have put together a team of hungry football players who put in the work. It was rumored that Goff didn’t work as hard as he could have, and it’s rumored that Stafford works. This is a team of workers. They just were not going to be denied, and even with a ton of weapons watching from the sidelines, the OL came through for Stafford, and Kupp was enough.
February 15, 2022 at 12:37 am in reply to: highlights, break downs, etc … superbowl … updated w/ Baldinger #136479ZooeyModeratorGood morning to everyone except the Los Angeles Rams… again 💅
— FOX 8 New Orleans (@FOX8NOLA) February 13, 2022
February 15, 2022 at 12:36 am in reply to: highlights, break downs, etc … superbowl … updated w/ Baldinger #136478ZooeyModeratorThis angle of Matthew Stafford's no-look pass. 😮💨 pic.twitter.com/vwWRUsMekn
— Los Angeles Rams (@RamsNFL) February 14, 2022
ZooeyModeratorMcVay isn’t going to retire. He is telling Stan he has to pay him.
Peter King thinks Donald will retire.
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