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ZooeyModeratorActually no, Obama.
The oligarchy is the single biggest threat to democracy.
The internet is the single biggest threat to the oligarchy. https://t.co/QoUeLYHJy5
— Peter Daou (@peterdaou) November 17, 2020
ZooeyModeratorLos Angeles scored 17 points in the first half to take a 17-13 lead over Seattle into the break. It wasn’t a dominant first-half performance, but it was the Rams’ best offensive yardage output of the year. They put up 275 total yards of offense, which was their most in the first half this season
Yeah, and they ended up with 389 yards for the entire game which included an opening drive in the 2nd half of 88 yards, and a TD. After that…21 yards in 3 drives (not counting the 4th and final “drive” of -2 yds on kneel downs).
It’s a good thing the defense dominates 2nd halves this season.
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I have many layers of thoughts/feelings about ‘anarchist’ direct-action campaigns like this. Too many to list.
…On the one hand, i think most-if-not-all of the young-anarchists have a higher Political-IQ than 90 percent of the American population. I think they understand what capitalism is doing to the nation, and to the biosphere.
So, they are smart, informed, passionate, critical-thinkers, for the most part.
(at least the ones who are legit anarchist, and not proud-boy-types doing false-flag games)But, being young, and passionate the anarchists are utterly stupid when it comes to strategy, tactics, etc. Many are impatient, and reckless and selfish. And they are young, so there is no getting thru to them.
And to just shoot from the hip…I have noticed in my life, that Anarchists tend to be giant pains-in-the-Ass. To everyone. Including other Anarchists.
Switching to another layer….when i put it in a wider context, Corporate-capitalism is causing mass extinctions, fracking poisoning of children, pollution, Climate Change, Mass Incarceration, Ungodly-Inequality which leads to massive suffering and death, Imperialism, Massive Lie-Campaigns, Coups, Torture, etc etc etc.
So you have THAT on one hand. Meanwhile the LA Times focuses on a small group of anarchists breaking windows.
That is corporate media. Perfect example of corporate media. What they cover. How they cover it. And what they dont cover.
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vYep. ^^^^This^^^^
ZooeyModeratorBest game of the year
The Rams’ defense played quite well
Shoulda scored more, though
ZooeyModeratorWhy are they mad at Fox news?
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vIn the past year, FOX News has said a couple of things that bordered on truthful. I think the first thing was on Covid stuff, and his rallies.
I saw the National Park estimate, too. 11,000.
It doesn’t matter, though, really. It could be 72 million, and it wouldn’t matter.
ZooeyModeratorSeptic Trucks Arrive In Washington To Begin Refilling The Swamp
November 12th, 2020
WASHINGTON, D.C.—Mulitple sources are reporting that Biden-Harris septic trucks are beginning to arrive in Washington to refill the swamp.Driven by executives from Wall Street, the military-industrial complex, and China, the trucks pulled in and immediately started filling the swamps that were devastated by the Trump administration’s policies. They are a key part of Joe Biden’s transition team, as he’s vowed to begin refilling the swamps on day one of his presidency.
“We are here to repair the enormous damage Trump did to the beautiful swamplands of D.C.,” said Kamala Harris in a speech, as Biden was napping. “It’s absolutely horrifying when you look at how dry and cracked these swamps are.”
“Together with Joe Biden, the Harris administration will make Washington’s swamps great again!” Swampy creatures such as the Swamp Thing, reptiles, and Hillary Clinton were seen slithering back into the quickly refilling reservoirs.
At publishing time, a freight train had been seen heading toward D.C. with attack drones that had been in storage for the last four years.
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ZooeyModeratorBy all rights, 99% of the nation should have rejected Trump and the GOP based on nothing more than the pandemic. Not necessarily as any kind of embrace of Biden and the Dems, but simply as an indictment on the worst government response to a national emergency in our history.
It’s not close.
Agree with all that.
Never mind ALL the OTHER STUFF. This alone….
ZooeyModeratorSeattle can score
Seattle can’t stop a score
Rams: Forty-Thirty
ZooeyModeratorBiggest game so far
A placekicker would be good
Haiku makes football
ZooeyModeratorWell, what exactly are Democrats supposed to do? Trump is taking cases to court. Courts will decide them.
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vSirota is arguing that the Democrats should be out there controlling Spin as well. He’s right. They do a very poor job of framing issues. They should be out there using language like “Coup, unAmerican, Democracy” Whatever. Call them out for what they are doing.
ZooeyModeratorTwitter restricted Ollie’s account and applied the label of “unusual activity” after he published video of Bolivians greeting Evo’s return with joyous celebration. The most vital independent journalism is being suppressed before our eyes. https://t.co/q13aOy25fT
— Max Blumenthal (@MaxBlumenthal) November 11, 2020
ZooeyModerator— The West Wing gifs (@twwgifs) November 11, 2020
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ZooeyModeratorWell my Twitter feed is ablaze with fear of a Trump coup after Pompeo’s remark.
Here is David Sirota:
https://www.dailyposter.com/p/trump-is-staging-a-coup-why-are-dems
Trump Is Staging A Coup — Why Are Dems Not Sounding The Alarm?
Republicans are following a clear plan to try to overturn the election results, just like they did in 2000. And once again, Democrats are not sounding a loud enough alarm.David Sirota
The recent HBO film 537 Votes about the Florida 2000 election mess offers one overarching message: Democrats’ refusal to sound a clear alarm about the slow-motion heist in process ultimately let the election be stolen.
In that debacle, Democrats seemed to think things would break their way with well-honed arguments inside the cloistered confines of the legal system — they never understood how public-facing politics can play a role in what ultimately ended up being a pivotal political brawl outside the courtroom.
Twenty years later, the lesson of that debacle isn’t being heeded. Donald Trump and his cronies are quite clearly waging a public-facing campaign designed to create the conditions for the Electoral College process to pull off a coup.
This is a full-scale emergency — and yet the Democratic strategy seems to be to try to pretend it isn’t happening, in hopes that norms win out, even though nothing at all is normal.
Trump Has A Deliberate Strategy
In the week since the election, Trump’s and his Republican allies have waged a public campaign to call the election results into question — not just in the courtroom, but in the public’s mind. Their lawsuits and Attorney General William Barr’s recent memo are designed as much to win rulings and initiate prosecutions as they are to generate headlines. Their tweets asserting fraud, and their high-profile promises of financial reward for evidence of fraud are all designed to do the same thing.Most ominously of all, Republican lawmakers in Pennsylvania, Georgia, Wisconsin, Michigan and Arizona are already insinuating the results may be fraudulent, even though they haven’t produced any evidence of widespread fraud.
Why is public perception so important? Because as Ohio State University law professor Edward Foley shows in a frighteningly prescient 2019 article, legislatures could use the public perception of fraud to try to invoke their constitutional power to ignore their states’ popular votes, reject certified election results and appoint slates of Trump electors.
In an article that predicted almost exactly what has already happened in Pennsylvania, Foley imagined Trump seeming to be ahead at first, then losing his lead as votes are counted, then making allegations of fraud, setting the stage for this:
At Trump’s urging, the state’s legislature — where Republicans have majorities in both houses — purports to exercise its authority under Article II of the Constitution to appoint the state’s presidential electors directly. Taking their cue from Trump, both legislative chambers claim that the certified popular vote cannot be trusted because of the blue shift that occurred in overtime. Therefore, the two chambers claim to have the constitutional right to supersede the popular vote and assert direct authority to appoint the state’s presidential electors, so that this appointment is in line with the popular vote tally as it existed on Election Night, which Trump continues to claim is the “true” outcome.
The state’s Democratic governor refuses to assent to this assertion of authority by the state’s legislature, but the legislature’s two chambers proclaim that the governor’s assent is unnecessary. They cite early historical practices in which state legislatures appointed presidential electors without any involvement of the state’s governor. They argue that like constitutional amendments, and unlike ordinary legislation, the appointment of presidential electors when undertaken directly by a state legislature is not subject to a gubernatorial veto.
Foley notes how public-facing politics — outside the cloistered legal arena — could then come into play.
“It might be too much of a power grab. One would hope that American politics have not become so tribal that a political party is willing to seize power without a plausible basis for doing so rooted in the actual votes of the citizenry,” he writes. “If during the canvass itself, Trump can gain traction with his allegation that the blue shift amounts to fraudulently fabricated ballots — along the lines of his 2018 tweet about Florida — then it becomes more politically tenable to claim that the legislature must step in and appoint the state’s electors directly to reflect the ‘true’ will of the state’s voters.”
Normalizing The Idea Of A Second Trump TermTo be sure, pulling this off would be complicated.
Republicans would have to get not one but many of the five Biden states with GOP legislatures to try to ignore the popular vote.
Congress would also have a role to play deciding which electors to recognize, which gives the House Democratic majority some leverage.
And it’s not clear that any of the maneuvers would hold up in court (though let’s remember: the Supreme Court now includes three Republican-appointed justices who worked directly on the Bush v. Gore case that stole the 2000 election for the GOP).
But this is quite obviously what the GOP is aiming for — and they’ve basically said it out loud. Indeed, Trump’s son has promoted the idea of legislatures overturning the election, and so has Trump’s staunch ally, Florida Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis. Meanwhile, a Republican lawmaker involved in Wisconsin’s new election fraud investigation suggested his state’s popular vote could be ignored.
This is why we’ve seen Republican officials and policies continue pretending that Trump didn’t lose the election, and presuming that there will be a second Trump term. This isn’t merely infantile behavior or an immature temper tantrum — it is part of a cutthroat plan.
They are trying to normalize the idea that regardless of how Americans actually voted, a second Trump term is inevitable because state legislatures and Congress will ultimately hand him the Electoral College.
Where Is Democrats’ Call To Action?
One big takeaway here should be that in the long-term, the Electoral College has to go — it has now become an even bigger threat to democracy, beyond just routinely throwing elections to the losers of the national popular vote. The system is being weaponized by a Republican Party determined to thwart the will of voters.In this particular crisis unfolding right now in the short term, a strong and serious response is needed.
We do not need silly, self-aggrandizing, money-wasting vanity stunts from grifter groups like the Lincoln Project, who are preparing a campaign to try to make Trump attorneys at Big Law firms feel bad about themselves — as if a vicious pol like Trump can somehow be deprived of ruthless legal representation.
We need a vociferous public campaign focused on preventing state legislators from feeling empowered to ignore their own voters. And such a campaign could be successful because at least some of these states’ legislatures are only narrowly controlled by the GOP — meaning they may be sensitive to a future voter backlash in 2022 that could come from their actions to steal a presidential election.
And yet… instead of sounding the alarm, Joe Biden and Kamala Harris seem to have settled on a “nothing to see here” approach.
The Biden-Harris campaign has been proceeding as if everything is fine, rolling out some transition team names and announcing that Biden has talked to some world leaders. Biden’s comments today about the election were even more sedated and anodyne than Al Gore back during the 2000 Florida recount. The most he could muster was an assertion that the GOP’s behavior is embarrassing and might hurt Trump’s legacy — as if this is a West Wing episode inanely presuming that any single Republican elected official in the country cares about such things.
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It will be state by state and decided by the highest court in each state-not the US Supreme Ct. Each state has it’s own constitution and the final determinations of any alleged violation of state election laws are not reviewable by the US Supreme Ct. unless the state’s election procedure has violated federal law or the US Constitution. Bush v Gore was a very unusual circumstance and arguably the single worst decision ever made by the Court with separate opinions by each jurist sitting. How the court found a US federal violation either by federal statute or the Constitution is what baffles scholars today. The order by the US Supreme Court that Florida Supreme Court’s decision to keep counting Florida votes must stop was based on the simple notion that the USSC had jurisdiction because the founders had provided for each state to make its own election laws. How circular is that ? Most Constitutional scholars believe the matter should have ended with the Florida Supreme Court.I’m sure there is a far better explanation re Bush v Gore. All I know is that most constitutional lawyers-at least the ones I drink with-don’t believe the US Supreme Court has jurisdiction to hear the issues being raised in these Trump lawsuits alleging voter fraud. The Republicans can’t argue voter fraud in Pennsylvania is against federal law-its against Pennsylvania’s election laws. So it is only about overturning the state’s election and not the entire election. Its a state by state jurisdiction.
cInteresting. Thanks.
ZooeyModeratorWhich reminds me, Zooey. How did your proposed imitation of the Ginger Man go the other day?
Tequila, or Whiskey?
I went with tequila, but I made it only two shots deep into my drinking before the fun went out of the evening. I had some tentative plan to make up a game with names I would toast to when they got defeated, but the election did not go well, and I shut it off when it was looking like a 50/50 toss-up.
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For the last five years, Trump has broken one law after another, destroyed umpteen “norms,” and far too many Americans are just numb to it.Why isn’t this a “hair on fire” moment for the entire country? First time ever an incumbent loser has done this. And it might work. He’s flooded the zone with lawsuits, and set the table to win the one in Pennsylvania, primarily because they already sequestered the mail-in stuff. So a loyal Trump judge, and then the far-right SCOTUS, could just say throw them all out.
And, of course, he’s ordered the entire executive to refuse all requests from the Biden team, and is stoking serious unrest among the far-right that it’s a “stolen election.”
If Trump gets away with this, he’s president for life. If he lives long enough to implement further changes, the GOP will be the permanent ruling party, and we’re likely going to have the Trump family “inherit” the presidency.
I don’t trust the Dems to put up an actual fight to stop this. Hope I’m waaay wrong. But I think we’re witnessing a . . . at least potentially . . . a successful fascist coup.
The task is enormous, though. They have to have some kind of legal pretext to throw out votes, and it has to pass at least 2 courts, a state court, and the SCOTUS. At least, I think that’s how it works. They really cannot just say, “These ballots were mailed, so they should be thrown out.” That just won’t fly.
Then…they have to throw out results from at least 3 states. Even if they twisted PA, it wouldn’t matter. They have to execute three successful challenges. That seems like a Herculean task to me.
ZooeyModerator70,000,000 people voted for 4 more years of this shit.
The mind reels.
ZooeyModeratorMy sister, wv-ewe, still cannot relax. The Monster-Trump cant die, she says. He’s too evil.
She told me, she’s seen too many Monster movies where in the last scene, the monster’s hand pushes up through grave to the surface…
No dancing for her. She’s…waiting. For the hand.
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vShe was always a closet Vikings fan, though.
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ZooeyModeratoroffense is worse than i thought it would be.
defense is better than i thought it would be.
special teams are a dumpster fire.
overall the rams are slightly worse than i thought they would be. i didn’t think they’d be capable of the huge brain fart they had to end the first half of the season. i mean what a disaster.
i still think goff is capable of being a top 10 qb. with this defense and this running game, i think goff is capable of leading this team.
i wonder how the second half of the season goes for this defense. they’re already ranked number one overall in total yards at this point. but i think they can get better. they can get better in run defense and better in the pass rush. when i think of the rams, i think mostly about robinson and lewis. and what kind of contributions they can make in the second half of the season. robinson especially. just loads of potential. loads of power and athleticism. the rams defense hasn’t really had anyone like him since possibly suh. but suh was near the end of his career. robinson is only 25 but has disappointed so far. was he playing the wrong system? is the system to unlock his talents? i’ll be curious to find out. but i also like lewis. he’s a rookie so expectations should be tempered. but at the same time, i could see him making a bigger impact as the season wears on.
The punting team is fabulous. Johnny Hekker is fabulous.
Why they can’t find a mediocre placekicker is a unfathomable mystery. I mean…that bartender dude
was good enough. Not ideal. But…good enough.Kicking is obviously a hell of a lot more difficult than it looks, but still. There aren’t 32 people in the country who can kick the ball? I woulda thought that Diego Maradona would be available. You know.
McVay is interesting. On the one hand, the guy is a certifiable genius. But his overall playcalling is questionable. He’s got a bit of Martz blood in him. He’s young, and he may not have “hit his ceiling,” but he isn’t the game day tactician that Bellichucker is. Though nobody else is, either, so…. But McVay still has some room to grow. I think he will, but right now, I’d say he cost us a win against Miami.
The defense is also fabulous.
Like wv said…10-6, good enough for a game or two in January. I’ll take it.
ZooeyModeratorI honestly can’t get past this
👇😆😂🤣😆. I’m dead… pic.twitter.com/qpa7L5OoMM— Claudia Silver (@claudia_silver7) November 8, 2020
ZooeyModeratorThis is a video. I don’t know if I can embed it, so here’s the link. I hope this works.
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ZooeyModeratorZN, do you mean someone other than Booker? Apologies in advance if this is something I’ve just missed, but I thought he was firmly entrenched in Jersey politics.
He meant Charles Booker. Slip of the keyboard.
ZooeyModeratorHillary Clinton, Barack Obama, and Joe Biden laughed at Mike Gravel when he railed against them on their policies of war.
What he had to say wasn't a laughing matter. @GravelInstitute pic.twitter.com/CvzcjYzffv
— Kathryn Rose Fisher (@kayrosef) November 8, 2020
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ZooeyModeratorHe’ll be Obama/Clinton, I assume. He will be a mass-murderer as all modern Dem-Presidents have been. He will use drones to murder countless people-of-color abroad.
He will raise tensions with nuclear-power-Russia.
He will do whatever the CIA/NSA tells him to do. So, he will get effusive praise from all the ex-cia-celebrity-pundits on Dem-Corporate-media.
He will funnel money to the rich as all corporate-Dems have done. The poor will continue to be arrested often, and live under great stress, and die sooner than the comfortable-wealthy liberals.
He will continue to allow fracking to poison children all over my area of Appalachia. They will die much sooner than the wealthy-dem-donor-Biden-neolibs.
He has to be better on the environment than Trump, though I dont know how ‘much’ better.
He has to be better on Covid than Trump, but i dont know how ‘much’ better.
He’ll tinker a bit with police reform but it will be all show and no substance. He will leave it to cities to figure out their own ‘reforms’.
He will be Clinton. Ya know. A moderate Republican. He will listen to moderate-republican-centrists and the corporotocracy will go back to the dem-version.
A lot of progressives think “we could have had Bernie”. We will never know.
Leftists often think the country is more left than it really is. Imho.The only way change will ever happen in this hellscape is for progressives to run for office downticket and upticket and Win. From schoolboards to The House and Senate. Nothing will change unless that happens. Right now the scoreboard is still 99-1. More or less, everywhere.
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vBali

ZooeyModeratorWell, my “feeds” aren’t any better. Worse, even.
Everyone gloating.
And…it’s Joe Fucking Biden we’re gloating about.
I mean….
ZooeyModeratorGood morning! pic.twitter.com/P9Lnny6mMc
— Amee Vanderpool (@girlsreallyrule) November 7, 2020
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