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    in reply to: Civil Unrest Kareem Abdul Jabbar #115556
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    Me: Sometimes people don’t have access to the LA Times so I thought I would post that here.

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    Op-Ed: Kareem Abdul-Jabbar: Don’t understand the protests? What you’re seeing is people pushed to the edge

    KAREEM ABDUL-JABBAR

    https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2020-05-30/dont-understand-the-protests-what-youre-seeing-is-people-pushed-to-the-edge

    What was your first reaction when you saw the video of the white cop kneeling on George Floyd’s neck while Floyd croaked, “I can’t breathe”?

    If you’re white, you probably muttered a horrified, “Oh, my God” while shaking your head at the cruel injustice. If you’re black, you probably leapt to your feet, cursed, maybe threw something (certainly wanted to throw something), while shouting, “Not @#$%! again!” Then you remember the two white vigilantes accused of murdering Ahmaud Arbery as he jogged through their neighborhood in February, and how if it wasn’t for that video emerging a few weeks ago, they would have gotten away with it. And how those Minneapolis cops claimed Floyd was resisting arrest but a store’s video showed he wasn’t. And how the cop on Floyd’s neck wasn’t an enraged redneck stereotype, but a sworn officer who looked calm and entitled and devoid of pity: the banality of evil incarnate.

    Maybe you also are thinking about the Karen in Central Park who called 911 claiming the black man who asked her to put a leash on her dog was threatening her. Or the black Yale University grad student napping in the common room of her dorm who was reported by a white student. Because you realize it’s not just a supposed “black criminal” who is targeted, it’s the whole spectrum of black faces from Yonkers to Yale.

    You start to wonder if it should be all black people who wear body cams, not the cops.

    What do you see when you see angry black protesters amassing outside police stations with raised fists? If you’re white, you may be thinking, “They certainly aren’t social distancing.” Then you notice the black faces looting Target and you think, “Well, that just hurts their cause.” Then you see the police station on fire and you wag a finger saying, “That’s putting the cause backward.”

    You’re not wrong — but you’re not right, either. The black community is used to the institutional racism inherent in education, the justice system and jobs. And even though we do all the conventional things to raise public and political awareness — write articulate and insightful pieces in the Atlantic, explain the continued devastation on CNN, support candidates who promise change — the needle hardly budges.

    But COVID-19 has been slamming the consequences of all that home as we die at a significantly higher rate than whites, are the first to lose our jobs, and watch helplessly as Republicans try to keep us from voting. Just as the slimy underbelly of institutional racism is being exposed, it feels like hunting season is open on blacks. If there was any doubt, President Trump’s recent tweets confirm the national zeitgeist as he calls protesters “thugs” and looters fair game to be shot.

    Yes, protests often are used as an excuse for some to take advantage, just as when fans celebrating a hometown sports team championship burn cars and destroy storefronts. I don’t want to see stores looted or even buildings burn. But African Americans have been living in a burning building for many years, choking on the smoke as the flames burn closer and closer. Racism in America is like dust in the air. It seems invisible — even if you’re choking on it — until you let the sun in. Then you see it’s everywhere. As long as we keep shining that light, we have a chance of cleaning it wherever it lands. But we have to stay vigilant, because it’s always still in the air.

    So, maybe the black community’s main concern right now isn’t whether protesters are standing three or six feet apart or whether a few desperate souls steal some T-shirts or even set a police station on fire, but whether their sons, husbands, brothers and fathers will be murdered by cops or wannabe cops just for going on a walk, a jog, a drive. Or whether being black means sheltering at home for the rest of their lives because the racism virus infecting the country is more deadly than COVID-19.

    What you should see when you see black protesters in the age of Trump and coronavirus is people pushed to the edge, not because they want bars and nail salons open, but because they want to live. To breathe.

    Worst of all, is that we are expected to justify our outraged behavior every time the cauldron bubbles over. Almost 70 years ago, Langston Hughes asked in his poem “Harlem”: “What happens to a dream deferred? /… Maybe it sags / like a heavy load. / Or does it explode?”

    Fifty years ago, Marvin Gaye sang in “Inner City Blues”: “Make me wanna holler / The way they do my life.” And today, despite the impassioned speeches of well-meaning leaders, white and black, they want to silence our voice, steal our breath.

    So what you see when you see black protesters depends on whether you’re living in that burning building or watching it on TV with a bowl of corn chips in your lap waiting for “NCIS” to start.

    What I want to see is not a rush to judgment, but a rush to justice.

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    Coach Robert Ortiz@CoachOrtizOL
    An exchange posted on Facebook by a white friend who was at the protests in Fort Wayne, Indiana giving medical support. This is what you condone @FortWaynePolice? This is your definition of protect and serve? Attacking US veterans trying to help? #GeorgeFloyd

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    in reply to: tweets … 5/29 thru 6/1 #115539
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    from the link above:

    [Doc Rivers] came away impressed with McVay as a coach, raving about him in an interview with Andrew Greif of the Los Angeles Times.

    “I’m telling you, he’s a gift,” Rivers said. “His ability to say the right thing at the right time, for someone as young as him, to see the big picture, to be selfless, is absolutely amazing. Very few young coaches are as secure as him. Meaning, they lose in the Super Bowl and he took it on himself. ‘Guys, that was my fault, I have to do better.’”

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    from https://dailysnark.com/ex-49ers-coach-mike-singletary-steps-down-as-high-school-coach-after-going-1-21-in-two-seasons/?fbclid=IwAR1_c2tOui7dZuMvVS83bjEzSkzp8NATT9VwrbKK_JBUFdy6tNg-nwUocsY

    Mike Singletary … stepped down as the football coach of the Texas high school Trinity Christian Academy-Addison on Thursday after going a combined 1-21 in two seasons at the school, including a winless season in 2019.

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    Ex-FBI official slams Bill Barr for ignoring the right-wing ‘Boogaloo Bois’ infiltrating protests

    link https://www.alternet.org/2020/05/ex-fbi-official-slams-bill-barr-for-ignoring-the-right-wing-boogaloo-bois-infiltrating-protests/

    Attorney General Bill Barr was slammed by the former assistant director for counterintelligence at the Federal Bureau of Investigation on Saturday for misleading Americans about the source of violence at the protests over the killing of George Floyd while in police custody.

    “There’s evidence developing, Brian, that the organization we’re seeing of the most violent protesters is coming from a couple of disturbing places,” both, by the way, there’s disparate in terms in being from the right or the left. here’s what those who monitor these groups and sites are seeing.

    “We’re seeing a far-right group, one group for example known as the Boogaloo Bois, who on their private Facebook page and social media outlets are calling for violence, calling for people to show up,” Frank Figliuzzi told MSNBC’s Brian Williams.

    “We’re seeing evidence in the protests that right-wing dangerous militia groups are there. We’ve seen flags and symbols that come from both Boogaloo Bois and dangerous militia groups,” he warned. “On the far-left, we’re seeing some evidence developing of global anarchists showing up.”

    “So we’re seeing a strange alignment occurring by some groups who are anti-government on the right and therefore anti-police because they think the police are too oppressive to them, aligning themselves with people like Black Lives Matter and saying, ‘hey, we’re one because we both don’t like the police,’ but I’m here to tell you they are not one, their intention is to destroy government and the system of justice, as opposed to calling for justice within the system.”

    “What do we do about it?” Williams asked.

    “Well, ordinarily we’d rely on our system and mechanisms and rule of law, but here’s two things significant that happened today that caused me to be deeply troubled about the summer ahead. The attorney general, William Barr held a press conference where he chose selectively just the intelligence that indicates there’s far-left agitators within the protest groups,” Figliuzzi noted.

    AG Barr: it appears the violence is planned, organized, and driven by anarchic and left extremist groups, far left extremist groups using Antifa like tactics… it is a federal crime to cross state lines or to use interstate facilities to incite or participate in violent rioting

    “He politicized intelligence. We shouldn’t be surprised by it, but we should be disturbed that the whole truth is not getting out about all the groups that pose a threat because that goes toward whether or not law enforcement will take effective action against all groups that are violent and be allowed to take such action,” he explained.

    “And then the second thing that should disturb us today is within the last hour, the president of the United States has tweeted he wants to use the unlimited power of the military with regard to these protests. Well, let me remind our viewers that we have laws in the United States that prevent the military from turning into law enforcement on the streets of America,” he reminded.

    “Yet we see a direction of where this is headed: politicizing the intelligence so that only the far-left becomes the bad folks here, and then a president who seems inclined to use the military on our streets,” Figliuzzi warned.

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    Elika Sadeghi@elikasadeghi
    The video of the man in Dallas being brutally assaulted is horrific and difficult to watch. But if you need to RT it, maybe RT the full, unedited video of him going after people with a machete, rather than the one Breitbart swiped and added its own narrative to.

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    i wanna say this too. i’m watching local news coverage right now.

    they are careful to emphasize that MOST of the protesters today and this whole week really have been peaceful. they are careful to point out that it is only a minority of the people out there who are causing a majority of the destruction we’re seeing now. and i’m sure it’s the same all over the country.

    i don’t know how the national coverage is portraying it.

    Okay point taken!

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    I’m watching store after store, after store in areas all over So Cal that are being either on fire or being looted from inexpensive to the elegant stores in Beverly Hills. I have not seen anything like this since Rodney King. This is not democracy. This is anarchy. During the day it was not like this. It was peaceful and impressive.

    Yeah as I said that’s one part of the story. But you’re acting like it’s the whole story and it just simply is not.

    There’s also police violence and escalation. All over the country. Is your news broadcast showing that too?

    There’s also peaceful protest. All over the country. Is your news broadcast showing that too?

    Some of that police violence is against peaceful protest. Seeing that on tv?

    There are also all sorts of instances where police are handling protest fine and in some cases even joining the protests. That on your tv?

    I keep saying the same thing–this entire issue cannot be reduced to one simple narrative. That will remain true, I mean…it’s just going to remain true! You can repeat all you want that all your tv shows you is destruction of property. And yes, okay, that’s what your tv is showing you. What is NOT true is that that’s the only thing happening.

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    I’m watching most of what’s happening in So Cal.

    No you’re not watching them W. You’re watching what tv shows you about them.

    I know some people IN those protests in southern cal who are posting in Facebook and in twitter about them. The word is always the same–it’s peaceful until the police show up and try to shut them down with violence. Sometimes elements of the crowd react violently to that.

    Police over-reacting? Isn’t that what we should expect in LA by now?

    And I just posted a series of images/vids from peaceful protests all over. Some with the police joining in. Normally most people will tell you, I don’t get fooled by tv. Well, in my experience, the truth is most do, in spite of what they say.

    There are all sorts of things going on right now and this is not a time to reduce everything to a one-note narrative. What you fear might be happening IS one of the things that’s happening. But it is false–false, as in 3 + 3 = 2 false–to act like it all reduces to just one story.

    Yes there are peaceful protests going on. Yes the police are causing trouble all on their own unprovoked in a lot of cases. That’s all true too.

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    from https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/05/30/jared-goff-there-needs-to-be-change-and-it-can-only-happen-together/

    Jared Goff has added his name to the growing list of quarterbacks, many of whom are white, who are speaking out after the death of George Floyd and the protests that have followed.

    The Rams quarterback calls for change, saying “it can only happen together.”

    “My heart hurts for our country,” Goff wrote on Instagram on Saturday night. “There needs to be change and it can only happen together. I’ll never pretend to understand the struggles that the Black community goes through daily in our country and never will know this struggle. It is my responsibility to educate myself and actively participate in advocating for the change our country desperately needs in words and action. Love each other a little more than usual, come together, and continue to push for positive change in our community.”

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    yeah. and the people responsible are in the minority. most people are peacefully demonstrating.

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    I’m not interested in getting a statistical breakdown of who did what, for what reason.

    There could be leftists, white nationalists, and selfish chaos-lovers in any kind of blend, and the bottom line is this:

    Our police departments need reform, and the police must be held accountable for their actions.

    The rest of it is ideological tug-of-war.

    Reform won’t come tonight. Right now the anarchists must be stopped. And don’t fool yourself this has nothing at all to do with the death of Floyd. The genuine “protests” have ended. It’s now about hoodlums and thugs. Simple. If you think otherwise your hiding behind an agenda. And don’t think I don’t believe there is police reform desperately needed or I don’t believe that the police must be held accountable. But this-what your watching tonight-has zilch to do with that.

    W–that is quite simply not true. Like saying 2 plus 2 = 7 not true. The protests have NOT stopped. They’re everywhere and all over twitter.

    The idea that it’s all thugs etc. is you buying the tv narrative I warned about.

    I know people who are planning the protests in Portland. I am in contact with people who are in the protests in LA. It goes on and on beyond that.

    There are protests, lots of them, and they’re huge and ongoing. It’s all over the country.

    They aren’t showing all of it are they.

    The fear narrative you were worried about? You’re buying into it. But it is FAR from the whole story. The thugs haven’t taken over. Your fear of it being thugs has taken over.

    I cannot imagine that the ones who want civil disobedience are ONLY white nationalists and I’m sure there are far left radicals amongst these people as well with the same goals in mind.

    Of course you can’t imagine otherwise and of course you’re sure of that. Cause–this is about perceptions.

    But it;s also a fact in the USA: our history is, blaming left radicals for violence in the USA has happened a LOT more than actual violence by left radicals. This is an old old story.

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