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znModeratorhere is the video…..
Los Angeles Rams: Charles Robinson explains why Rams soured on Goff
The full details behind why the Los Angeles Rams traded quarterback Jared Goff may never be fully known. Yahoo Sports’ Charles Robinson sheds some light on the situation.
Blaine Grisak
Los Angeles Rams
The full details behind why the Los Angeles Rams traded quarterback Jared Goff before his extension even hit may never be known. Goff signed his extension with the Rams shortly after taking the team to the Super Bowl. Under two years later, and he’s no longer not only the franchise quarterback, but he’s no longer on the team.
Senior NFL Reporter for Yahoo Sports Charles Robinson sat down with Michael Holley and Michael Smith to explain how the relationship between Goff and McVay soured so quickly. It’s a lot so I’m going to break it up into three sections.
“I remember talking to McVay last summer and he was telling me that he was really excited about Jared Goff. He kept talking about how excited he was for Goff to grow beyond him. What he meant was, your elite quarterbacks, they put their imprint on the offense. They don’t need a coach constantly micromanaging it when they get to a certain level. They put their own fingerprints on it. He was anticipating that. He wanted that from Jared Goff. That’s really what he was pushing for.”
This goes back to right after the Super Bowl and when Goff signed his long-term extension. At that point there was no reason to think that Goff wouldn’t be the Los Angeles Rams’ quarterback for the next 10-15 years. This coach-QB duo had potential to be the next Belichick-Brady or Montana-Walsh. McVay anticipated Goff to take the next step and make the offense his own a little bit as he moved into year three. Like Robinson said, this is what you get from the elite quarterbacks in the NFL.
Robinson continues:
“About a month left of the season, I started talking to people there. What I kept hearing was, ‘He keeps making the same mistakes over and over.’ A guy literally said to me, ‘He’s making mistakes that a first year quarterback shouldn’t be making in the NFL and he’s still making those same mistakes now.’ Sean had a pretty negative opinion of him down the stretch. From what I understood internally there, it was Sean looking at his offense (after the Super Bowl) and going, Im going to constantly be needing to change and update my scheme and what I do to keep it ahead of the curve. He looked at Goff and said, this guy has to change with me. He’s got to come with me on this journey and he felt like Goff just wasn’t.”
Again, this shouldn’t be anything that Rams fans don’t already know. Over the last two years, Goff kept making the same mistakes over and over. He was simply reckless with the football at times as he ranked near the top of the league in turnovers. After seeing how John Wolford ran the offense, heading into the Seahawks playoff game, it was clear he felt like Wolford could run the offense how he wanted to call it. Goff never evolved after 2018 and that resulted in taking a step back.
Last chunk here:
“(McVay) felt like (Goff) was falling off and McVay couldn’t bring him along. What I was told, when Sean was off it and said, ‘This isn’t the right guy for the offense. We’re not going to win a Super Bowl with this quarterback.’ That was the end of the conversation. Then it was, ‘Now we got to trade this guy.’”
This is clearly how it went down after the season. McVay went to Snead and said we can’t win with Goff and therefore they started to explore trades. It also brings to the point that, if this doesn’t work out and Stafford doesn’t win or the offense looks the same with Stafford, this is now on McVay. He can’t hide behind the poor play of Jared Goff. Stafford is considered a top-10 quarterback by some. If McVay’s offense remains the same, that’s on McVay and it’s on Snead for complying.
The Rams went all in for Stafford and now it’s championship or bust
znModeratorHa! This site was unavailable to me for a period of time, like it had been dismantled and terminated. I tried to find this crew as I have in past migrations. Couldn’t find you guys. I thought it was over. Then I just tried again and here it was!
I just saw this post. Howdy Maddy! Welcome back to the feast.
znModerator𝒥𝒾𝓂 𝐸𝓋𝑒𝓇𝑒𝓉𝓉@Jim_Everett
Hey @JaredGoff16, you’ve touch a lot of people brother. Know, your work ain’t done yet! Go do your thing. Gotta a good one @Lions
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znModeratorWe just taped an interview with Aaron Donald (@AaronDonald97). He said he's pretty sure everyone was "shocked" by the Stafford/Goff trade. #Rams #Lions
Full interview will air tomorrow morning on @FoxSportsRadio and @PeacockTV pic.twitter.com/Ieg8EQjxpq
— Dan Patrick Show (@dpshow) February 3, 2021
.@AaronDonald97 on unfair criticism of Jared Goff: "Once you're the starting QB, if things aren't going right, you're always going to get talked about. I will never say nothing bad about Goff though, that's my brother." #Lions #Rams pic.twitter.com/TgZWwYaDZz
— Dan Patrick Show (@dpshow) February 3, 2021
znModeratorAaron Donald: ‘Everybody was shocked’ by Rams trading Jared Goff
Cameron DaSilva
* https://theramswire.usatoday.com/2021/02/03/rams-aaron-donald-jared-goff-trade-reaction-interview/
It’s Super Bowl week and although the Rams aren’t playing in the big game, unfortunately, players are making the rounds on radio shows and podcasts. Rams players have been popular guys to interview, too, with the move Los Angeles just made over the weekend, sending Jared Goff to the Lions for Matthew Stafford.
After Cam Akers said he was shocked by the trade, Aaron Donald echoed his thoughts. Donald says he thinks everyone was surprised by it and as stunning as it was, he realizes it was a business decision. Here’s what he said on the “Dan Patrick Show” Wednesday.
“I’m pretty sure everybody was shocked with it,” he said. “But Stafford’s a great quarterback. I’m excited about having him with the team, a veteran guy that knows the game, that’s been playing the game at a high level for a long time. It was a business decision that the Rams organization chose to make. I’ll always love Goff. That’s my brother forever. But I guess things didn’t work out how they wanted to so they made a change.”
Donald spent the last five years with Goff, getting to know him over time in Los Angeles. Being a leader in the locker room, Donald had nothing but great things to say about the quarterback on his way out.
He wished him well in Detroit and wouldn’t criticize Goff in any way as he heads to the Lions.
“I think there’s a lot of things that were said,” Donald said when asked about Goff’s unfair criticism. “Once you’re the starting quarterback, if things ain’t going how they’re supposed to go, you’re going to be talked about a lot. I will never say nothing bad about Goff. Like I said, that’s my brother. Always going to keep in contact with him, always going to talk. I wish nothing but the best for him in Detroit. So we’re not going to worry about the negativity that’s talked about. He’s got a bright future ahead of him, a fresh start, and hopefully he does great things there.”
Replacing Goff will be Stafford, a guy Donald has faced three times in his career. When asked about the team’s new quarterback, Donald knew exactly how many times he sacked Stafford in their three meetings – taking him down three times in their 2015 meeting, once in 2016 and twice in 2018.
“Six times in my career,” Donald said. “He’s going to help us win some games so I’m pumped up about that.”
Stafford has never won a playoff game in his career, but with a strong supporting cast around him – and a superstar like Donald on the other side – that should change sometime soon.
znModeratorArians Enjoys Watching Stafford Warm Up: ‘Because He’s So Special
Buccaneers head coach Bruce Arians believes Matthew Stafford deserves more accolades.
https://www.si.com/nfl/lions/news/arians-enjoys-watching-stafford-warm-up
John Maakaron
Across the National Football League, Detroit Lions quarterback Matthew Stafford has earned the respect of many head coaches and players.
During his Tuesday media session, Tampa Bay Buccaneers head coach Bruce Arians took the time to explain why Stafford is a special quarterback and is a player he enjoys watching during pregame warm-ups.
“He’s one of my all-time favorite guys. He’s tough as nails,” Arians said. “Like I said the other day, he’s one of the few quarterbacks I like going out and watching warm up, just to watch him throw because he’s so special.
“Always felt like he was extremely, one of the top four or five guys in this league for a long time. He’s tough as nails, and his guys know it. They know he’s gonna suck it up for ’em.”
Despite widespread favor across the league, Stafford does not garner much attention in MVP or Pro Bowl talks.
Stafford has only been voted onto the Pro Bowl roster on one occasion in his 12-year career.
“I think same old story is winning, you know?” Arians said. “You can be a great player, (but) if your team’s not winning, you’re not going to get what you deserve — and he deserves a lot.”
February 3, 2021 at 8:49 pm in reply to: Exclusive: Jared Goff LATimes interview with Sam Farmer #127559
znModerator3 former (short-time) Rams set to play in Super Bowl LV https://t.co/XjMaQ2IKng
— TurfShowTimes (@TurfShowTimes) February 3, 2021
znModeratorThank you @JaredGoff16 You were a huge piece in one of the biggest wins in franchise history. Down 13 points early in the most hostile territory and you never gave up, never wavered. NFC champions. Thank you for the great memories and efforts #16 pic.twitter.com/G8x5aFwezR
— RAMS ON FILM (@RamsOnFilm) February 3, 2021
znModeratorDan Orlovsky@danorlovsky7
Rewatching 2007 SB-don’t think Spags played the same coverage 2X in a row
-don’t think the coverage he showed pre-snap-was what he played post snap 1 timeAlso Justin Tuck was an absolute MONSTER
February 3, 2021 at 1:51 pm in reply to: Trumpie behaviors (examples of that, plus comments on that) #127546
znModeratorBREAKING: The Bill to remove Marjorie Taylor Greene from Committees will be voted on tomorrow. It’ll pass. Greene will be removed from both Committees.
— Scott Dworkin (@funder) February 3, 2021
znModeratorCoaches are teachers. If English, Math & Science teachers don’t yell to get the best out of their students, why do coaches need to scream at or demean their players to improve performance? They don’t. The field is the classroom.. Find different ways to enlighten and inspire ❤️🏈 https://t.co/re6sOBqyoM
— Bucky Brooks (@BuckyBrooks) February 3, 2021
znModeratorGottleib claims his info came from a coupla sources inside
the rams….says goff’s work ethic wasnt as good as Wolford’s and he didnt take work-ethic cues from workaholic McVay, and Goff didnt take responsibility for bad games, etc.You can’t take bait like that so easily.
I mean who is Gottlieb and who are his “sources”?
Meanwhile there are several beat reporters in LA and even national guys based in LA and across 5 years we heard none of this.
And of top of it no one knows Goff better than Holmes, the former Rams chief of scouting who is now the Detroit GM and just traded for him.
Do you trade for a guy with a questionable work ethic?
In fact Holmes turned down an offer for Stafford that included the 8th pick in the draft (from Carolina). If Detroit took that, they would have the 7th and 8th picks in the draft, which is plenty of ammo to go after a qb. Instead he took Goff.
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znModeratorCam Akers wasn't expecting Jared Goff to be traded, says Matthew Stafford will be 'a great asset' https://t.co/xgImcBh5IH
— Rams Wire (@TheRamsWire) February 3, 2021
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znModeratorSpider2YB
Matt Stafford is one of the top 5 most physically gifted QBs in the NFL. His arm talent is only rivaled by Mahomes and Rodgers. He can make every single throw ever invented by an OC. Opposite hash deep outs. Deep posts. Deep digs. 18 to 16 opposite hash comebacks. Literally *every single throw*. But I think the most encouraging signs over the last couple days is that when the media has talked to his former teammates, 99% of them just talk about his toughness. They talk about his leadership. Even though his physical ability jumps off the screen, they’ve celebrated the other stuff.
znModerator"Matthew Stafford to the Rams is a Super Bowl move… I'm ready to declare LA as the team to beat in the NFC for Super Bowl LVI."@AdamSchein is pumped up for the Rams after they traded for Stafford. pic.twitter.com/pSLRXIen4L
— CBS Sports Network (@CBSSportsNet) February 2, 2021
znModeratorDoug Gottlieb@GottliebShow
Was told by very good sources #Rams were frustrated at Goff’s lack of work ethic, football IQ, mobility, accountability and he simply wouldn’t take chances on explosive plays. Locker room respected Wolford more.Joe Curley@vcsjoecurley
This doesn’t sound like the Jared Goff we’ve known for nearly five years. More importantly, how do the Rams give $134 million to a player who lacks “work ethic, football IQ… (and) accountability?” That seems like a really bad decision that isn’t getting enough attention.
znModerator.@RealTannenbaum explains why the Jared Goff trade was not Sean McVay’s finest hour on the @RossTuckerPod pic.twitter.com/sWocZCmYup
— Ross Tucker Podcast (@RossTuckerPod) February 2, 2021
February 2, 2021 at 11:27 pm in reply to: Exclusive: Jared Goff LATimes interview with Sam Farmer #127524
znModeratorwell. i hope sean has that conversation with goff. i think it’ll happen. it should happen if mcvay is who i think he is.
and i still am not sure about the trade. i probably won’t be sure until about 11 months from now. and even then. i was looking forward to watching goff develop over the next 10+ years. i’ll probably observe from afar. but it’s not the same as watching him game in and game out. year in and year out.
I have very similar feelings on that part of it.
But it’s a 2-sided thing and on the other side, I do look forward to seeing Stafford play as a Ram. I have good feelings about him. He has basically never had a running game and only had a top 10 defense once his whole time there.
znModerator#Chiefs defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo's key to Sunday? Don't let Tom Brady read your mail. pic.twitter.com/Bo0I4aErsf
— Nick Jacobs (@Jacobs71) February 3, 2021
znModeratorSee more in the SI article I just posted in the anchored Goff thread above. It’s an interesting read.
Yes that’s without question the best article on the trade.
It doesn’t have Goff’d perspective but Silver covers that.
znModeratorLast year, @BillieJeanKing sat down with Bruce Arians, Lori Locust, and Maral Javadifar to find out why an inclusive culture drives the @Buccaneers success. pic.twitter.com/8DotcBiedS
— NFL Films (@NFLFilms) February 2, 2021
February 2, 2021 at 8:05 pm in reply to: Trumpie behaviors (examples of that, plus comments on that) #127515
znModeratorNewsmax invites Mike Lindell, who advocated for a coup and spews dangerous conspiracy theories, on air. It didn't go well. pic.twitter.com/6xzSgXlHua
— Jason Campbell (@JasonSCampbell) February 2, 2021
znModeratorRams WR Cooper Kupp with a goodbye note to former teammate Jared Goff. (via Kupp’s IG) pic.twitter.com/ff7km1fkBY
— Lindsey Thiry (@LindseyThiry) February 2, 2021
znModeratorRams sign LS Steven Wirtel with Jake McQuaide set to hit free agency https://t.co/5x7HZpJ1rE
— Rams Wire (@TheRamsWire) February 2, 2021
znModeratorMultiple @NFL sources indicate to me that Derek Carr is a hot commodity. And it is expected that multiple teams will pursue him via trade That could lead to the @Raiders pursuing Deshaun Watson in a blockbuster trade. My story:https://t.co/rnxHJK9KC0
— Vincent Bonsignore (@VinnyBonsignore) February 3, 2021
February 2, 2021 at 2:57 pm in reply to: Rams were good at 3rd n long in 2020, guess who was better #127506
znModeratorThanks for confirming what I always suspected…
You hate Goff.

znModeratorTrade Talk: Lions expert breaks down what Rams are getting with Matthew Stafford
Cameron DaSilva
* https://theramswire.usatoday.com/lists/rams-lions-matthew-stafford-trade-analysis-breakdown/
The Los Angeles Rams kicked off the offseason with a massive trade, sending Jared Goff and draft picks to the Detroit Lions for Matthew Stafford. After Goff struggled in Sean McVay’s system the last two seasons, the Rams made it clear that they wanted to upgrade at the most important position in sports.
While Stafford is older, he brings a different style of play to the quarterback spot. It’s hard not to get excited about the prospect of Stafford teaming up with McVay, but is this a perfect match without flaws?
We talked to Lions Wire managing editor Jeff Risdon about Stafford and gathered some intel on the Rams’ new quarterback. While he doesn’t pin the Lions’ lack of wins in the last 12 years on Stafford, he did point out some weaknesses in the QB’s game.
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Aside from clearly having a big arm, what would you say is Stafford’s best trait?His willingness to trust both that arm and the receivers he’s throwing at to make plays that other QBs won’t consider trying. It never allows the defense to relent because he’s proven he will throw it into an impossibly tiny window, or at least try.
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There’s been an argument made that a good portion of Stafford’s numbers come in garbage time when the Lions are getting blown out. Is there any truth to that?He earned the “Stat Padford” nickname early in his career with a certain segment of the Detroit media and it stuck even though he proved it was largely bullcrap. The fact is, he played on a lot of teams that had very bad defenses, especially during the Matt Patricia era. He’s playing from behind a lot more than the average QB.
Having said that, Stafford has always been prone to cold starts and streaks in games where he’s just “off.” Lions fans got used to him going something like 2-for-8, 27 yards, 1 INT in the second quarter of a game; things like that happen more with Stafford than they should for any QB.
The flip side? Stafford has proven himself to be amazing at rallying in the fourth quarter. He’s 7th in NFL history in 4th-quarter comebacks, tied with John Elway. He’s consistently been at his best with the team down two scores in the fourth quarter.
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The Rams use a lot of play-action and rollouts. How does Stafford typically perform on those two play types?He is not a good rollout passer. His ability to throw a strike to a moving target greatly diminishes if he’s also moving. If he can roll, stop and set himself to throw, he’s fine. He also tends to make the big mistake when he’s on the move, like he doesn’t see the field nearly as well. He is not a guy who will win with his legs on designed runs but he got better at tucking and running in the last few years, especially before the second broken back. He’s smart about it.
Play action, he’s phenomenal. When his RBs sell it well (and that hasn’t been the case often enough), Stafford is great at concealing the ball and then quickly identifying where the hole in the defense emerges. The Lions offense didn’t use it nearly enough.
One other quick quirk: He doesn’t like pre-snap motion, and he’s always had a preference to let the play clock drain way down before calling for the snap. It persisted through all his coaches. He made a comment when Darrell Bevell took over as the OC that he hoped “we’re not motioning guys everywhere” (paraphrased) and he meant it.
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There’s about a 6% difference in Stafford’s completion rate from his first 6 seasons to his last 6 seasons. Has there been a notable change in his style of play?It’s an oversimplification to say he played those first years with Calvin Johnson and then without him. As fabulous as Johnson was – he belongs in the Hall of Fame – he still led the NFL in drops in the decade from 2010-2019 two years after he retired, and he never had a good No. 2 receiver to pair him with. Stafford got more accurate and the confidence in his receivers spiked up when he had several capable receivers on any one play – guys like Golden Tate, Marvin Jones, Theo Riddick out of the backfield, Danny Amendola and T.J. Hockenson the last couple of years.
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How worried should the Rams be about Stafford’s 0-3 postseason record, and the fact that he only made the playoffs three times in 12 seasons?Stafford played well enough to win in the 2014 season loss to the Cowboys, a game the Lions had absolutely stolen from them by an officiating controversy. He did not play well in the other playoff games.
As for the lack of team success, it’s very difficult to blame Stafford. He never had a good run game. Detroit had one 1,000-yard rusher in his 12-year career and finished in the bottom five in rushing yards per game and rushing yards per carry more often than they didn’t. The defenses were often just as bad; I’ve been covering the NFL since 2004 and there is zero doubt in my mind the 2020 Lions were the worst-coordinated defense I’ve ever seen. The one year everything really came together for the team (2014) ironically was probably Stafford’s worst – not as good as his numbers might indicate.
His contract was an issue earlier on, that’s perhaps the most valid criticism or finger-pointing at Stafford. When the team had him, Ndamukong Suh and Calvin Johnson all together from 2012-2014, there was very little money to pay anyone else to help them. But that’s irrelevant to the Rams now.
znModeratorI’d use a picture of someone who wasn’t a top-5 pick if I were trying to make this point https://t.co/Kz5LOcfmP8
— Eric Eager 📊🏈 (@PFF_Eric) February 1, 2021
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