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znModeratorIan Rapoport@RapSheet
The #Texans are releasing star JJ Watt, source said.==
The Rams would (obviously) be a good fit for J.J. Watt, and he would help their pass rush. But there are a lot of hurdles, namely that pesky salary cap https://t.co/Dl6Tybe7Xc
— Cameron DaSilva (@camdasilva) February 12, 2021
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znModeratorGregg Bell@gbellseattle
Russell Wilson’s far too calculated to have not talked to Pete Carroll, John Schneider about this. He says he has.The “frustrated” QB isn’t going rogue. He isn’t getting–or wanting to get–traded. He wants better #Seahawks pass pro
Tony Softli@SoftliSEA
I believe he spoke with them about what the Offensive future should look like from the QB POV, but going national media blast on teammates and organization was not part of that conversation. Totally out of character! Possible trouble right here in the emerald city.
znModeratorFive Key Takeaways From the Matthew Stafford-Jared Goff Trade
https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-five-key-takeaways-from-the-matthew-stafford-jared-goff-trade
The interwebs are already full of misguided takes on what the Los Angeles Rams gave up for Matthew Stafford in the blockbuster trade announced Saturday night. The trade was a pivotal move for both franchises, and the risks and rewards extend beyond the particulars of the deal. There are a handful of key points to understand when analyzing the trade and its ramifications over the next few years.
THE TRADE COMPENSATION WASN’T THE HAUL SOME THINK
A superficial accounting lists two first-round picks, a third-round pick and Jared Goff as the compensation for Stafford. But those first rounders are future picks, and the trade market has traditionally discounted future picks significantly.
We can get an estimate of the current trade value for future first-round picks by analyzing the last three trades with future first rounders added onto easily valued current picks.
Player Pick JJ Value Traded Picks JJ Value Future 1st JJ Value
Mahomes 10 1,300 27, 91 816 484
Watson 12 1,200 25 720 480
Davenport 14 1,100 27, 147 713 387
Average: 450Using values from the Jimmy Johnson trade chart, the implied values for future first-round picks in the above transactions can be found by calculating the difference between the value of current picks received and traded away. Patrick Mahomes and Deshaun Watson were acquired in the 2017 draft at pick No. 10 and No. 12, respectively, and each included a future first as part of the trade compensation. It was the same situation when the New Orleans Saints traded up for Marcus Davenport in 2018.
The implied values of the future first-round picks in these deals ranged from roughly the 42nd (480 JJ value) to the 50th pick (387 JJ value), or solidly in the middle of the second round. If you consider that draft-day trades are probably more likely to overpay than in an offseason deal like this, you can move the value up a bit higher to the front of the second round.
Noting their market values, the future first-round picks the Rams traded away should be viewed the same way as trade packages including current picks. It’s likely that teams undervalued future picks, but that doesn’t change the market dynamics that should dictate acquisition costs. If you add up the implied values of the future first-round picks and the current third-round pick the Rams traded away, the total value is in line with a 2021 first round pick in the 15-20 range.
There are reasons to think that the teams might value future picks more due to difficultly evaluating this offseason, or that the Lions specifically should value future, multiple picks more with a likely path of rebuilding ahead. Adding these considerations, the market value of the pick package could be viewed higher, but probably not as high as a single top-10 pick.
If you’re basing potential Deshaun Watson trades building on this deal as two first rounders, then you’re not capturing the discount on future picks and where they’ll likely be in the first round.
THE LIONS ARE DOING THE SMART THING AND EMBRACING VARIANCE
While the market value of the Rams’ future picks might be lower than some think, the real value is probably higher. The Lions have given themselves the opportunity to benefit greatly from things going against expectations.
The baseline assumptions built into the trade are that the Rams will be a playoff team, picking near the end of the first round and that Jared Goff isn’t valuable with his current contract. It’s possible for these assumptions to get slightly worse for the Lions, but the downside is limited. If the Rams win the Super Bowl both years and the Lions are drafting at 32 instead of an assumed 25, it hurts a little. If Goff struggles and needs to be cut, the Lions will have dead cap charges — not the worst thing in a rebuild.
The downside risk for the Lions is limited, but the upside is huge. The Lions are now short the success of the Rams, and I explain below why that might not be the worst position to have. If the Rams struggle the next two seasons, the Lions could have multiple top-15 picks, or perhaps one top-10 if things really go badly. The jump in value going from an assumed draft position of 25 to the top-10 is enormous — much greater than the downside of falling to 32. If the former No. 1 pick Goff can turn things around and play like he did in 2017-2018, the Lions could have a real franchise quarterback or a valuable trade asset in a year or two.
The Lions probably aren’t competing for the next couple of years, so acquiring assets with limited downside and disproportionate upside is the perfect play to raise their ceiling going forward.
STAFFORD WON’T NECESSARILY MAKE THE RAMS BETTER
I hate to step into #QBWinz territory here, but this might be how Stafford is judged a season or two post-trade. The Rams have been one of the most successful franchises in the NFL the last four seasons, whether you think that’s because or in spite of Jared Goff. The Rams ended the last four years with one trip to the Super Bowl, two other playoff appearances and a 9-7 record that would have been good enough to make the playoffs under the format the NFL adopted last season.
What carried the Rams in 2020 wasn’t Goff, who ranked 19th in PFF passing grade (71.9), but a defense that had the best grade in the NFL (85.9). We know that defensive stability is lower than offensive, and the Rams lost Brandon Staley, their wiz kid coordinator who became the head coach of the crosstown Los Angeles Chargers. The Rams were relatively lucky with injuries before the playoffs, with Jalen Ramsey, Aaron Donald and many other key contributors playing full or nearly full seasons.
If the Rams defense falters with bad injury luck, difficulty adjusting to a new coordinator or lose key free agents like John Johnson, Leonard Floyd and Troy Hill, the team could miss the playoffs, even if Stafford is playing at a higher level than what we’ve seen from Goff.
Our grading didn’t see a huge difference between the performance of Stafford and Goff since 2017 (excluding Goff’s disastrous rookie season), with Stafford posting a PFF passing grade of 84.7 and Goff at 81.6. Though Goff’s numbers had been on a steady decline in the most recent seasons, Stafford had one of his best years ever in a shortened 2019.
THE RAMS HAVE GONE ALL-IN MORE THAN ANY TEAM IN THE NFL
The Rams have been in win-now mode for years, and this deal pulls even more future assets into the present. With this trade, the Rams won’t, as of now, have made or hold any of their first-round picks over a seven-year window from 2017-2023.
The total list of picks traded for Jared Goff (the No. 1 pick), Jalen Ramsey and now Matthew Stafford is something to behold:
Six first-round picks
Two second-round picks
Three third-round picksAll of the traded picks mean fewer opportunities to fill the roster with cheaper rookie contracts, some of the best values in the NFL. As of now, the Rams’ the top-10 cap charges in 2021 add up to more than $140 million, which would equal more than 75% of a hypothetical $180 million COVID-affected salary cap.
Without the breadth of talent that comes from cheaper rookie contracts and cap space for mid-range free agents, the Rams will have one of the most fragile rosters in the NFL. If the Rams’ top players, like Stafford, Donald, Ramsey, Cooper Kupp and Robert Woods, can stay healthy, they’ll be a top competitor in 2021. But any injuries or unexpected dips in performance could sink the Rams’ precarious roster.
Looking forward, the loss of picks in 2022 and 2023 compounds the team’s difficulty in building back a talent pipeline, which not only provides cheap current deals but also leads to extensions that come much cheaper than paying for talent in free agency or via trades.
THE LIONS ARE IN ON JARED GOFF AS THEIR FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK, FOR NOW
The trade value discussion above showed that the pure package of picks for Stafford, excluding Goff, wasn’t necessarily a lot more than what the Lions could have gotten from other teams. Reportedly, there were multiple suitors for Stafford willing to give up at least a first-round pick, which would put these other trades in the ballpark of the compensation the Lions received from the Rams.
The powers of deduction can only lead us to assume that the addition of Goff to the deal was viewed by the Lions as, at worst, of slightly negative value. The Lions likely don’t see Goff’s contract, which will pay him $27.2 million per season over the next two years, as a significant deadweight.
Goff’s contract has guarantees of $27.5 million in 2021 and another $15.5 million in 2022, meaning he’s not a player you acquire with the intention of then cutting with minimal cost. Brad Holmes, the Lions’ new general manager, is familiar with Goff from his time working in the Rams’ front office, and he could very well view Goff through a more positive prism than football pundits who thought he could only be moved if the Rams gave away additional compensation.
Sure, the Lions could draft a quarterback with the No. 7 pick, making Goff a placeholder, but making this deal means that doesn’t have to happen, at least this offseason.
What this also means is that the tank, at least the intentional tank, is probably off in Detroit. There’s little chance Goff isn’t on the roster this coming season, and while he isn’t an elite quarterback, he brings more winning potential than other quarterbacks on the 2021 roster, like Chase Daniel, or one that the Lions could acquire in the draft with the No. 7 pick.
New head coach Dan Campbell has assembled a well-credentialed staff, and whatever we think of the bizarre moments in his introductory press conference, the attitude and actions for the Lions point toward a team looking to win in 2021, even if legitimately competing is far fetched.
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znModeratorCameron DaSilva@camdasilva
“Saw Aaron Donald today, who is probably the greatest player in the world. So that was awesome to see.”Joe DeCamillis [Rams new STs coach] was clearly excited to run into AD today lol
Stu Jackson@StuJRams
New Rams special teams coordinator Joe DeCamillis said he’s already spoken to P Johnny Hekker, LS Jake McQuaide and K Matt Gay.Stu Jackson@StuJRams
Part of Joe DeCamillis’ answer on special teams philosophy/foundational principles:“We’ve got to get a great returner. We’ve got to get a guy that can ring the bell and drop the ball over the goal line.
For those jumping to conclusions about what that means for last year’s PR/KR Nsimba Webster, DeCamillis later said they’re still evaluating the return game, adding that an effective return game starts with great blocking.
Sarina@sarina
Raheem Morris and his thoughts on the team and defense as a whole: “This is a fundamentally developed team. They did a great job of developing these guys fundamentally. Some they went out and bought like a Jalen Ramsey. He’s a fundamentally sound absolute yes dog competitor.”Raheem Morris on the coaching staff: “It’s no secret that the Rams coaching staff has just been rated the way it has been because of the things they’ve been able to do here and it starts with our leadership.”
Raheem Morris on Aaron Donald (1/2): “Aaron Donald is so much fun to watch. He’s just a disrupter. He’s a finisher. He’s the guy that just gets things going and leads by example. You can just see it in the field. Nothing he does on the field is shocking.”
“I’m amazed at some of the things he’s able to do. You want to get him aligned up & find ways to get him 1 on 1. He’s done such a great job getting his teammates 1 on 1 to set up the guys around him that you don’t want to take away that part of his strength either.”
Jourdan Rodrigue@JourdanRodrigue
while one could say “3-4 base” in application to Morris’ defense, because they will be multiple and in subpackages at a higher percentage, it would not be accurate to confine them into a “base” per seLindsey Thiry@LindseyThiry
New Rams DC Raheem Morris says their defensive coaching vacancies have been filled, and indicates internal promotions, but declines to give names until the team officially announces.Am told team is still working through terms agreements on this point –
Stu Jackson@StuJRams
I asked Raheem Morris about his plans for Aaron Donald and Jalen Ramsey.“Don’t mess them up. Let’s let those guys get going.”
Morris pointed out Ramsey and Donald’s versatility, and wanting to continue to capitalize on that.
znModeratorList of #49ers coaches who departed this offseason:
Robert Saleh (HC Jets)
Mike LaFleur (OC Jets)
John Benton (OL Jets)
Aaron Whitecotton (DL Jets)
Tony Oden (CBs Jets)
Mike Rutenberg (LBs Jets)
Shane Day (QB/Pass game Chargers)
Michael Clay (ST Eagles)
Katie Sowers
Stan Kwan— Nick Wagoner (@nwagoner) February 11, 2021
znModeratorThe Rams biggest draft mistake is apparently not having a first rounder for seven years. They mention not having first rounders to replace Leonard Floyd, John Johnson and Troy Hill, three players that the Rams did not use a first rounder to obtain in the first place https://t.co/3pwscjbm9C
— 𝕋𝕠𝕞 – 𝕃𝔸 ℝ𝕒𝕞𝕤 (@TL_LARams) February 11, 2021
znModeratorIt’s not “economic anxiety” it’s anxiety over losing “status and power” that’s fueling Right wing extremism.
There is a white supremacy radicalism in our society and we can’t afford to dismiss or normalize it. https://t.co/WLxmKeMGn8
— Ilhan Omar (@IlhanMN) February 10, 2021
znModeratorMost big-time throws in 4th Q/OT in 2020:
1. Russell Wilson – 15
2. Tom Brady – 14
T-3. Josh Allen – 13
T- 3. Matthew Stafford – 13 pic.twitter.com/Fhx6BIZ35w— PFF (@PFF) February 11, 2021
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znModeratorMatthew Stafford revealed the laundry list of injuries he played through in 2020: Torn UCL in thumb *and* elbow, broken rib cartilage, “tore something” in left knee and “subtalar, right ankle sprain”
My god https://t.co/F6IJH3Xq76
— Cameron DaSilva (@camdasilva) February 11, 2021
znModeratorFree Agent Spotlight: Troy Hill is set to become an unrestricted free agent after scoring three of the four defensive TDs last season.
— Los Angeles Rams (@RamsNFL) February 11, 2021
February 11, 2021 at 9:41 am in reply to: “where does this one go?” – the comic side of dystopia #127734
znModeratorNahtzee https://t.co/nQFoCB3OZ0
— YS (@NYinLA2121) February 11, 2021
znModeratorfrom Top 3 needs for all 32 NFL teams: https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-haritz-top-3-needs-for-all-32-nfl-teams-ahead-of-the-2021-season
LOS ANGELES RAMS
Team Needs: Secondary, offensive line, edgeThere’s a solid argument to be made that Jalen Ramsey is the single-best CB in the league. The team’s willingness to move him all over the field makes the lack of a high-end partner in crime less of an issue than it might be for a different high-end corner, but either way there needs to be an effort made to at least try and retain free agent CBs Troy Hill and Darious Williams as well as S John Johnson.
Edge defender Leonard Floyd will need to be replaced in some way, shape or form. Like with Ramsey in the secondary, the Rams are always going to be a bit thin across the defensive line due to having so much money wrapped up in all-world talent Aaron Donald. Again, like with Ramsey, Donald’s ability to dominate and move all over the line of scrimmage makes this less of a need than it would be on another team.
The Rams have improved the offensive line from within in recent seasons, but at some point they’ll need to consider investing legit resources to the group. Overall, 2015 marks the last time the team used a top-two round pick on the position. The good news is that having Matthew Stafford under center should help with the rather large drop off in performance when Jared Goff would experience pressure. The early returns from Cam Akers have certainly been promising.
znModerator“I wanted to shoot my shot.”
Matthew Stafford opened up about his trade to the Rams, saying he always wanted to play in big games https://t.co/wJ321OV8Bw
— Cameron DaSilva (@camdasilva) February 11, 2021
znModeratorMatthew Stafford to Marvin Hall. Watch Stafford’s pocket mobility and then launches this ball from his own 15 yard line to the 25 downfield. Hall adjusts well, but this is just stellar pocket awareness and arm talent on display. pic.twitter.com/Np1SnPyV5d
— JAKE ELLENBOGEN (@JKBogenDTSN) February 10, 2021
znModeratorAaron Donald deserve to win DPOY. There is a difference of playing the edge vs the interior and then beating double teams, CONSISTENTLY. Watch the get off from AD. This play was over in two seconds: pic.twitter.com/RELvL8wUDu
— Eddy Flame (@lightshadowwolf) February 9, 2021
znModerator#Chargers planning to make a big push for #Rams FS John Johnson #LosAngeles #NFL ⚡️ pic.twitter.com/nst2ETNBvK
— NFL Rumors & News (@nflrums) February 10, 2021
znModeratorI’ve found the Chiefs creativity from the Super Bowl … but once again the Bucs defense was just 🔥. 👀👀 at this. Seriously. The Chiefs have the back going one way, the jet sweep going the other and then Kelce in the middle for a screen. They’ve crushed with it. Not here pic.twitter.com/QVnNnsigPK
— Geoff Schwartz (@geoffschwartz) February 9, 2021
znModeratorLeonard Floyd’s 8 sacks in 3 games has pushed Russ over the edge https://t.co/jAQisXaWZF
— Cameron DaSilva (@camdasilva) February 9, 2021
znModeratorHoward Balzer@HBalzer721
Hearing that Chiefs lawyers are preparing lawsuits to invalidate the Super Bowl, claiming Bucs win was fraudulent and that Chiefs actually won in a landslide.
znModeratorThis might be the most accurate thing I’ve been in two days…. pic.twitter.com/xtJszQEx9S
— Coach Batty 🤙🚂 ❄️ (@TxAlpha06) February 9, 2021
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znModeratorGeoff Schwartz@geoffschwartz
SB recap!-Tampa thoroughly dominated the Chiefs. What I thought could happen did. The team w/the better OL/DL imposed their will
-Could the Chiefs have done anything different?
-Todd Bowles defensive game plan was Fire. How’d they do it?
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znModerator"Shoutout to Bruce Arians for putting together a staff where somebody can get they Black people mixed up"
–@Bomani_jones after a reporter mixed up Byron Leftwich and Todd Bowles 🙃 pic.twitter.com/kBYXtvHm23
— Highly Questionable (@HQonESPN) February 8, 2021
znModeratorI mean what kind of blueprint did Tampa
show us:
1) First, get the Chiefs OLine all decimated with injuries.
2) Dominate the Line of Scrimmage.Yep.
Any other take on it, IMO, is just overkill.
znModeratorGeoff Schwartz@geoffschwartz
We do realize the Chiefs threw screens, moved the pocket, took play action pass shots, attempted quick passes, helped their offensive line, etc…They could have run the ball more. But the Tampa defense just dominated them. Sometimes it can be that simple.Brett Kollmann@BrettKollmann
Also “just run the ball!” isn’t exactly good advice when Tampa is able to park an actual human boulder in the middle of the offensive line while the best linebacker duo in the league just flies around behind him.People never run on Tampa for a reason. It’s fucking hard to do
SportsCenter@SportsCenter
According to @NextGenStats, Patrick Mahomes ran a total of 497 yards before his passes/sacks in the #SuperBowlThat’s the most pre-throw/pre-sack yards run by a QB in any game this season.
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There's plenty of examples from last night where keeping in protection for the Chiefs OL helped the secondary for the Bucs who were sitting in soft zone. Double teams everywhere. https://t.co/o8aZL3zz39
— Geoff Schwartz (@geoffschwartz) February 9, 2021
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