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    in reply to: judgments & analysis of the trade coming in #127587
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    Hall of Fame QB Kurt Warner joins “Good Morning Football” and reacts to Brett Favre’s comments on Deshaun Watson, talks Tom Brady and Patrick Mahomes and breaks down the Matthew Stafford, Jared Goff trade.

    Kurt talks about the Rams trade at 4:10 in

    Vid link: https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nflvideos/kurt-warner-reacts-to-brett-favres-comments-on-deshaun-watson/vi-BB1dogga

    in reply to: Players on the trade… starting with Akers #127584
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    in reply to: the first Stafford thread #127583
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    in reply to: tweets (Rams) … 2/4 thru 2/7 #127581
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    in reply to: tweets (Rams) … 2/4 thru 2/7 #127580
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    in reply to: tweets (Rams) … 2/4 thru 2/7 #127579
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    in reply to: tweets (Rams) … 2/4 thru 2/7 #127576
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    in reply to: judgments & analysis of the trade coming in #127574
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    How many teams have unloaded 3 superbowl qbs in their prime years.

    Ferragamo, they let him go take Canadian money.

    Warner, we know that story.

    Goff, we know that story.

    in reply to: judgments & analysis of the trade coming in #127573
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    What i wonder is, if there is someone in the Rams Org
    who is trashing Goff. Thats the issue to me. Not
    whether ‘its true’ or not. Just that there
    is someone trashing Goff.

    Its not very classy if thats whats happening.

    Well I missed that you were saying that.

    And yes if they were doing that it gets us back to Zygmunt territory.

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    here is the video…..

    * https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/02/03/aaron-donald-was-shocked-by-jared-goff-matthew-stafford-trade/#comments
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    Los Angeles Rams: Charles Robinson explains why Rams soured on Goff

    The full details behind why the Los Angeles Rams traded quarterback Jared Goff may never be fully known. Yahoo Sports’ Charles Robinson sheds some light on the situation.

    Blaine Grisak

    * https://www.downtownrams.com/single-post/2021/02/03/los-angeles-rams-charles-robinson-explains-why-rams-soured-on-goff/

    Los Angeles Rams

    The full details behind why the Los Angeles Rams traded quarterback Jared Goff before his extension even hit may never be known. Goff signed his extension with the Rams shortly after taking the team to the Super Bowl. Under two years later, and he’s no longer not only the franchise quarterback, but he’s no longer on the team.

    Senior NFL Reporter for Yahoo Sports Charles Robinson sat down with Michael Holley and Michael Smith to explain how the relationship between Goff and McVay soured so quickly. It’s a lot so I’m going to break it up into three sections.

    “I remember talking to McVay last summer and he was telling me that he was really excited about Jared Goff. He kept talking about how excited he was for Goff to grow beyond him. What he meant was, your elite quarterbacks, they put their imprint on the offense. They don’t need a coach constantly micromanaging it when they get to a certain level. They put their own fingerprints on it. He was anticipating that. He wanted that from Jared Goff. That’s really what he was pushing for.”

    This goes back to right after the Super Bowl and when Goff signed his long-term extension. At that point there was no reason to think that Goff wouldn’t be the Los Angeles Rams’ quarterback for the next 10-15 years. This coach-QB duo had potential to be the next Belichick-Brady or Montana-Walsh. McVay anticipated Goff to take the next step and make the offense his own a little bit as he moved into year three. Like Robinson said, this is what you get from the elite quarterbacks in the NFL.

    Robinson continues:

    “About a month left of the season, I started talking to people there. What I kept hearing was, ‘He keeps making the same mistakes over and over.’ A guy literally said to me, ‘He’s making mistakes that a first year quarterback shouldn’t be making in the NFL and he’s still making those same mistakes now.’ Sean had a pretty negative opinion of him down the stretch. From what I understood internally there, it was Sean looking at his offense (after the Super Bowl) and going, Im going to constantly be needing to change and update my scheme and what I do to keep it ahead of the curve. He looked at Goff and said, this guy has to change with me. He’s got to come with me on this journey and he felt like Goff just wasn’t.”

    Again, this shouldn’t be anything that Rams fans don’t already know. Over the last two years, Goff kept making the same mistakes over and over. He was simply reckless with the football at times as he ranked near the top of the league in turnovers. After seeing how John Wolford ran the offense, heading into the Seahawks playoff game, it was clear he felt like Wolford could run the offense how he wanted to call it. Goff never evolved after 2018 and that resulted in taking a step back.

    Last chunk here:

    “(McVay) felt like (Goff) was falling off and McVay couldn’t bring him along. What I was told, when Sean was off it and said, ‘This isn’t the right guy for the offense. We’re not going to win a Super Bowl with this quarterback.’ That was the end of the conversation. Then it was, ‘Now we got to trade this guy.’”

    This is clearly how it went down after the season. McVay went to Snead and said we can’t win with Goff and therefore they started to explore trades. It also brings to the point that, if this doesn’t work out and Stafford doesn’t win or the offense looks the same with Stafford, this is now on McVay. He can’t hide behind the poor play of Jared Goff. Stafford is considered a top-10 quarterback by some. If McVay’s offense remains the same, that’s on McVay and it’s on Snead for complying.

    The Rams went all in for Stafford and now it’s championship or bust

    in reply to: judgments & analysis of the trade coming in #127570
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    Ha! This site was unavailable to me for a period of time, like it had been dismantled and terminated. I tried to find this crew as I have in past migrations. Couldn’t find you guys. I thought it was over. Then I just tried again and here it was!

    I just saw this post. Howdy Maddy! Welcome back to the feast.

    in reply to: Players on the trade… starting with Akers #127564
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    𝒥𝒾𝓂 𝐸𝓋𝑒𝓇𝑒𝓉𝓉@Jim_Everett
    Hey @JaredGoff16, you’ve touch a lot of people brother. Know, your work ain’t done yet! Go do your thing. Gotta a good one @Lions
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    Aaron Donald: ‘Everybody was shocked’ by Rams trading Jared Goff

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    * https://theramswire.usatoday.com/2021/02/03/rams-aaron-donald-jared-goff-trade-reaction-interview/

    It’s Super Bowl week and although the Rams aren’t playing in the big game, unfortunately, players are making the rounds on radio shows and podcasts. Rams players have been popular guys to interview, too, with the move Los Angeles just made over the weekend, sending Jared Goff to the Lions for Matthew Stafford.

    After Cam Akers said he was shocked by the trade, Aaron Donald echoed his thoughts. Donald says he thinks everyone was surprised by it and as stunning as it was, he realizes it was a business decision. Here’s what he said on the “Dan Patrick Show” Wednesday.

    “I’m pretty sure everybody was shocked with it,” he said. “But Stafford’s a great quarterback. I’m excited about having him with the team, a veteran guy that knows the game, that’s been playing the game at a high level for a long time. It was a business decision that the Rams organization chose to make. I’ll always love Goff. That’s my brother forever. But I guess things didn’t work out how they wanted to so they made a change.”

    Donald spent the last five years with Goff, getting to know him over time in Los Angeles. Being a leader in the locker room, Donald had nothing but great things to say about the quarterback on his way out.

    He wished him well in Detroit and wouldn’t criticize Goff in any way as he heads to the Lions.

    “I think there’s a lot of things that were said,” Donald said when asked about Goff’s unfair criticism. “Once you’re the starting quarterback, if things ain’t going how they’re supposed to go, you’re going to be talked about a lot. I will never say nothing bad about Goff. Like I said, that’s my brother. Always going to keep in contact with him, always going to talk. I wish nothing but the best for him in Detroit. So we’re not going to worry about the negativity that’s talked about. He’s got a bright future ahead of him, a fresh start, and hopefully he does great things there.”

    Replacing Goff will be Stafford, a guy Donald has faced three times in his career. When asked about the team’s new quarterback, Donald knew exactly how many times he sacked Stafford in their three meetings – taking him down three times in their 2015 meeting, once in 2016 and twice in 2018.

    “Six times in my career,” Donald said. “He’s going to help us win some games so I’m pumped up about that.”

    Stafford has never won a playoff game in his career, but with a strong supporting cast around him – and a superstar like Donald on the other side – that should change sometime soon.

    in reply to: the first Stafford thread #127560
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    Arians Enjoys Watching Stafford Warm Up: ‘Because He’s So Special

    Buccaneers head coach Bruce Arians believes Matthew Stafford deserves more accolades.

    https://www.si.com/nfl/lions/news/arians-enjoys-watching-stafford-warm-up

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    Across the National Football League, Detroit Lions quarterback Matthew Stafford has earned the respect of many head coaches and players.

    During his Tuesday media session, Tampa Bay Buccaneers head coach Bruce Arians took the time to explain why Stafford is a special quarterback and is a player he enjoys watching during pregame warm-ups.

    “He’s one of my all-time favorite guys. He’s tough as nails,” Arians said. “Like I said the other day, he’s one of the few quarterbacks I like going out and watching warm up, just to watch him throw because he’s so special.

    “Always felt like he was extremely, one of the top four or five guys in this league for a long time. He’s tough as nails, and his guys know it. They know he’s gonna suck it up for ’em.”

    Despite widespread favor across the league, Stafford does not garner much attention in MVP or Pro Bowl talks.

    Stafford has only been voted onto the Pro Bowl roster on one occasion in his 12-year career.

    “I think same old story is winning, you know?” Arians said. “You can be a great player, (but) if your team’s not winning, you’re not going to get what you deserve — and he deserves a lot.”

    in reply to: Exclusive: Jared Goff LATimes interview with Sam Farmer #127559
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    The future is unwritten

    in reply to: tweets (Rams) … 1/31 thru 2/3 #127553
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    in reply to: around the league, starting 1/29 #127551
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    Dan Orlovsky@danorlovsky7
    Rewatching 2007 SB

    -don’t think Spags played the same coverage 2X in a row
    -don’t think the coverage he showed pre-snap-was what he played post snap 1 time

    Also Justin Tuck was an absolute MONSTER

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    in reply to: judgments & analysis of the trade coming in #127544
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    Gottleib claims his info came from a coupla sources inside
    the rams….says goff’s work ethic wasnt as good as Wolford’s and he didnt take work-ethic cues from workaholic McVay, and Goff didnt take responsibility for bad games, etc.

    You can’t take bait like that so easily.

    I mean who is Gottlieb and who are his “sources”?

    Meanwhile there are several beat reporters in LA and even national guys based in LA and across 5 years we heard none of this.

    And of top of it no one knows Goff better than Holmes, the former Rams chief of scouting who is now the Detroit GM and just traded for him.

    Do you trade for a guy with a questionable work ethic?

    In fact Holmes turned down an offer for Stafford that included the 8th pick in the draft (from Carolina). If Detroit took that, they would have the 7th and 8th picks in the draft, which is plenty of ammo to go after a qb. Instead he took Goff.

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    in reply to: the first Stafford thread #127530
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    Spider2YB

    Matt Stafford is one of the top 5 most physically gifted QBs in the NFL. His arm talent is only rivaled by Mahomes and Rodgers. He can make every single throw ever invented by an OC. Opposite hash deep outs. Deep posts. Deep digs. 18 to 16 opposite hash comebacks. Literally *every single throw*. But I think the most encouraging signs over the last couple days is that when the media has talked to his former teammates, 99% of them just talk about his toughness. They talk about his leadership. Even though his physical ability jumps off the screen, they’ve celebrated the other stuff.

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    in reply to: tweets (Rams) … 1/31 thru 2/3 #127527
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    Doug Gottlieb@GottliebShow
    Was told by very good sources #Rams were frustrated at Goff’s lack of work ethic, football IQ, mobility, accountability and he simply wouldn’t take chances on explosive plays. Locker room respected Wolford more.

    Joe Curley@vcsjoecurley
    This doesn’t sound like the Jared Goff we’ve known for nearly five years. More importantly, how do the Rams give $134 million to a player who lacks “work ethic, football IQ… (and) accountability?” That seems like a really bad decision that isn’t getting enough attention.

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    in reply to: Exclusive: Jared Goff LATimes interview with Sam Farmer #127524
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    well. i hope sean has that conversation with goff. i think it’ll happen. it should happen if mcvay is who i think he is.

    and i still am not sure about the trade. i probably won’t be sure until about 11 months from now. and even then. i was looking forward to watching goff develop over the next 10+ years. i’ll probably observe from afar. but it’s not the same as watching him game in and game out. year in and year out.

    I have very similar feelings on that part of it.

    But it’s a 2-sided thing and on the other side, I do look forward to seeing Stafford play as a Ram. I have good feelings about him. He has basically never had a running game and only had a top 10 defense once his whole time there.

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