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znModeratorCooper Kupp quickly proved to be an “overachiever” as a rookie.
Kupp went from being unrecruited with no college offers to holdings several college records. After the Rams “reached” for Kupp in the 2017 draft, he led his rookie class in receptions.
The Rookie Kupp 2017 pic.twitter.com/GqtRfHxNBR
— RAMS ON FILM (@RamsOnFilm) April 8, 2022
znModeratorbasically covered by @truthout, and in an op-ed I "planted" in The Guardian in the hopes of breaking through the media silence. It didn't work. Nothing in the NYT, nothing in LA Times, nothing in WaPo, nothing in Boston Globe, nothing USA Todayhttps://t.co/Adl5EbWtHV
— Peter Kalmus (@ClimateHuman) April 8, 2022
znModeratorCody Alexander@The_Coach_AWith the #Rams losing Miller, there is a need to find an EDGE replacement opposite Floyd I don’t believe that LA wants Bobby Wagner (or Jones) as their full-time EDGE in its 5-1.Jourdan Rodrigue@JourdanRodrigueHollins, Lewis and Garrett have a lot of potential in an expected rotation and Hollins played well pre-injury last year. But I believe the Rams will aggressively explore OLB moves into the year purely bc of schematic implications.April 7, 2022 at 11:04 pm in reply to: Stephon Gilmore? and/or Tyrann Mathieu? updated: Gillmore signs w/ Colts #138259
znModeratorJordan Schultz@Schultz_Reportdon’t be shocked if the #Rams make a run at 4x All-Pro Tyrann Mathieu. Les Snead has $7M of cap to work with and — as another GM told me: “They can get creative again. That’s just what they do. We’ve already seen it with [Bobby] Wagner.”
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znModeratorThe weirdest Rams memorabilia I have is something I found at a flea market… Rams Nesting Dolls. The irony is that Marshall Faulk is the largest (the one that contains all the other dolls) and Orlando Pace is the smallest. In order it goes Faulk, Bulger, Holt, Bruce and Pace.
=== I cant believe you just let the zooey thing slide, though. I mean, he’s literally got a ‘Rams trash can’. Thats one step from having a Rams toilet. w v
It’s not a Rams trash can. It’s a Rams plastic cup photographed through a trick with perspective. So what’s worse. Having a Rams trash can. Or faking having a Rams trash can.
April 7, 2022 at 1:38 am in reply to: Stephon Gilmore? and/or Tyrann Mathieu? updated: Gillmore signs w/ Colts #138246
znModeratorPer Shaad McGinnis #Rams have interest in Tyrann Mathieu. McGinnis was one of the first to drop the news of Wagner signing with the Rams and he's also broke a lot of Colts news. Either way, I'd still take this info with a grain of salt. But at this point, anything is possible 🤣 pic.twitter.com/KrfmsHb02S
— Rams Super Fan (@RamsSuperFan) April 6, 2022
znModeratorWhat cha looking for? Can you see it? pic.twitter.com/4Ic0eztxDg
— Jamie Gnuman197… (@JGnuman197) April 7, 2022
znModeratorAgent’s Take: Digging deep into Bobby Wagner’s free agent deal with Super Bowl champion Rams
How well the Pro Bowl linebacker performs will determine his earnings in L.A.
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Inside linebacker Bobby Wagner gained more experience for his post-career aspiration of becoming an NFL team president by negotiating his own contract for the second time his NFL career. The dynamics were different than when Wagner negotiated a three-year, $54 million contract extension averaging $18 million per year with the Seahawks in 2019 to become the NFL’s highest-paid off-ball linebacker.
Wagner, who turns 32 in June, had to navigate the open market this time around because the Seahawks released him in the days leading up to the start of free agency rather than pay him $16.6 million in 2022 on a $20.35 million salary cap number. He learned NFL teams have concerns about making major financial commitments to older players at non-premium positions, regardless of performance. The 10-year veteran had a career-high 170 tackles while earning his eighth straight Pro Bowl selection and second team All-Pro honors last season.
Wagner’s deal
Wagner signed a five-year, $50 million contract worth up to $65 million through incentives with the Rams. The future Hall of Famer reportedly turned down a multiyear contract from the Ravens containing $18 million fully guaranteed to stay close to home. Wagner is from Ontario, California, which is 50 miles east of SoFi Stadium in Inglewood where the Rams’ home games are played.
The contract contains $20 million in guarantees, of which $10 million is fully guaranteed at signing. Wagner’s $5 million signing bonus, $1.5 million 2022 base salary and $3.5 million fifth day of the 2023 league year roster bonus comprise the fully guaranteed money. Technically, the roster bonus is guaranteed for skill and injury at signing and the salary cap guarantee kicks in on April 8. The roster bonus doesn’t have an offset.
The other $10 million of security comes from Wagner’s $7.5 million 2023 base salary and $2.5 million fifth day of the 2024 league year roster bonus. Both are guaranteed for injury at signing and become fully guaranteed next March on the fifth day of the 2023 league year.Wagner has $8.5 million base salaries in 2024 and 2026. His 2025 base salary is $8 million. There are also $2.5 million fifth day of the league year roster bonuses in 2025 and 2026.
The deal has $3 million in annual incentives and $2 million is based on Wagner’s playtime and the Rams’ performance. Wagner gets $250,000 each for 80% or more defensive playtime and the Rams improving their league ranking in points allowed, total defense or average net yards given up per passing play for a total of $750,000. Taking at least 90% of the Rams’ defensive snaps is worth $500,000. Reaching the playtime threshold while the Rams make the playoffs earns an additional $750,000.
One million is tied to Wagner’s honors each season. Wagner gets $500,000 for being selected to the Pro Bowl and the Rams improving their league ranking from the 2021 season in points allowed, total defense or average net yards given up per passing play. It’s $1 million instead for first team All-Pro/All-NFL by the Associated Press, Pro Football Writers of America or Sporting News.Wagner has the right to void his 2024, 2025 and 2026 contract years. He must play at least 90% of the Rams’ defensive snaps in 2022 and 2023, or earn Pro Bowl honors in both seasons, in order to have the option to get out of the final three years.
There were questions about how the Rams were able to acquire Wagner when news of him agreeing to terms broke last week. The Rams had just over $8.7 million of 2022 salary cap space, according to NFLPA, prior to signing him. Wagner’s 2022 cap number is just $2.5 million ($1 million of signing bonus proration and $1.5 million base salary).
The modest $5 million signing bonus allows the Rams to exit the deal after one season prior to an additional $10 million becoming fully guaranteed on the fifth day of the 2023 league year, with minimal cap consequences if Wagner’s skills start to rapidly diminish this season. Wagner’s 2023 cap number is $12 million while the Rams would have a $7.5 million cap charge with him having a very short stint in Los Angeles.In this case, Wagner would have a one-year deal for $10 million because the March 2023 roster bonus doesn’t have an offset. The lack of an offset prevents the Rams from reducing the $3.5 million owed to Wagner if released by the amount of his new deal with another team. Wagner would get to “double dip” where he would receive $3.5 million from the Rams in addition to his full salary from his new contract with another club. With an offset, Wagner would have a one-year deal for $6.5 million because the Rams would be able to recoup the $3.5 million owed to him from his next contract. Presumably, none of the incentives would be earned in this worst-case scenario.
Wagner characterized the incentives as “achievable” in a CNBC interview with Jabari Young. The intention is for Wagner to remain on the field every down and pair him with 2021 third-rounder Ernest Jones at inside linebacker.
The incentives needed to qualify as not likely to be earned (NLTBE) so there wouldn’t be any cap charges during the season given the Rams’ salary cap constraints. Any incentive based on what Wagner or the Rams achieved statistically during the 2021 season is considered likely to be earned and immediately counts against the salary cap while anything that wasn’t achieved in 2021 doesn’t initially count. Wagner’s playtime in 2021 was 89.1%, which is why the standalone threshold is 90% playtime.Linking individual and team achievements together also classifies an incentive as NLTBE. The three easiest achievable team categories based on the Rams’ 2021 performance are the ones in Wagner’s contract. The Rams ranked 15th, 15th and 17th last season in points allowed, average net yards given up per passing play and total defense. The playtime/team improvement incentives are based on performance bonuses in the extension inside linebacker Alec Ogletree signed with the Rams in 2017, except his playtime threshold was 85% instead of Wagner’s 80%.
Wagner has a legitimate chance of earning the $2 million of playtime/Rams performance incentives annually provided he stays healthy and continues to be an every-down linebacker. Over the past five seasons (2017-21), Wagner was on the field for 94.5% of Seattle’s defensive plays.
Wagner will need to have a similar career trajectory of the off-ball linebackers inducted into the Hall of Fame in recent years to earn any of the honors incentives. Ray Lewis was selected to the Pro Bowl during every season for the ages Wagner is under contract to the Rams (32 through 36). He was a first team All-Pro as a 33- and 34-year-old. Brian Urlacher was a Pro Bowler at 32 and 33. Derrick Brooks’ last first team All-Pro selection came when he was 32. He went to the Pro Bowl when he was 32, 34 and 35. The most recent inductee, Sam Mills, was named first team All-Pro as a 37-year-old.It’s conceivable that Wagner will earn the right to opt out of his contract. Considering Wagner’s age was a concern this year, trying to get more than $32.5 million, with an additional $9 million of incentives over the final three years of this contract on the open market two years from now for seasons when he is 34, 35 and 36, would be a risky proposition. If Wagner maintains his level of play, he might be able to use the void to get the final three years structured better where there is additional security and some, if not all, of the incentives are put in the base value of the deal.
Final thoughts
The value of Wagner’s contract will depend on how he continues to perform. It’s a one-year deal for $10 million in the worst-case scenario. As long as Wagner is still with the Rams next March after the fifth day of the 2023 league year, he is assured of $20 million from the contract. Wagner maintaining his current level of play for an extended period of time should allow him to get into latter years of deal. If so, it’s hard imagine that Wagner wouldn’t have a realistic opportunity to earn at least $2 million of the incentives annually.
znModeratorWho is the best receiver in the NFL?!@joethomas73: @CooperKupp@RealMikeRob:@tae15adams pic.twitter.com/kSISHnQZjW
— NFL Network (@nflnetwork) April 6, 2022
April 6, 2022 at 12:43 pm in reply to: different non-Rams stuff from around the league (starting 4/4) #138231
znModeratorThe Jets reportedly were willing to offer the 10th overall pick in the draft to the Seahawks for DK Metcalf, but the Seahawks reportedly aren't listening to offers. https://t.co/xorcI8HYCa
— ProFootballTalk (@ProFootballTalk) April 6, 2022
znModeratorApril 6, 2022 at 1:40 am in reply to: Stephon Gilmore? and/or Tyrann Mathieu? updated: Gillmore signs w/ Colts #138229
znModeratorI thought Mathieu was a safety. If they see him as a nickle…that’s actually good news. That means they are confident in Rochell as CB2. Very confident.
Rams have used nickel safeties before. That’s what Joyner was, basically.
znModerator‘It’s going to be weird without Whit’: Rams adjusting to life without Andrew Whitworth
Joe Noteboom will be the Rams’ left tackle in 2022 after spending most of the last four seasons learning from the recently retired Andrew Whitworth.
Andrew Whitworth was the left tackle for the Los Angeles Rams for five seasons, but somehow it felt like more.
Whitworth joined the Rams in 2017, when they were coming off a 4-12 season, playing in the aging Los Angeles Coliseum and quarterbacked by Jared Goff. By time he retired earlier this month, the Rams were Super Bowl champions, playing in the most modern of NFL stadiums at SoFi Stadium and quarterbacked by Matthew Stafford.
It’s going to take the Rams a little while to get used to a world without him.“It’s a new era of Rams offensive line,” center Brian Allen said. “It’s going to be weird without Whit there.”
The Rams have been grooming his replacement, Joe Noteboom — a third-round draft pick in 2018 — the past four seasons. Noteboom has played various offensive line positions, started a total of 17 regular-season games and was recently re-signed by the Rams to a three-year, $40 million contract with $25 million guaranteed.
“The best part is knowing the coaches have the confidence in you to sign you back to a contract here and put you in that spot,” Noteboom said. “But it’s also a challenge. Being the guy now comes with a little more responsibility. It’s motivating more than ever.”
Noteboom said his four seasons as Whitworth’s teammate weren’t wasted. He said he learned things such as work habits, preparing his body for a long season and diet from the veteran tackle.
“It was a perfect situation [to learn],” Noteboom said. “There was no other guy in the league I’d rather have been behind for those four years. That gives me confidence going into it.”
Noteboom played some at both tackle spots and left guard last season, his first with Stafford as his teammate.
“He’s a plug-and-play player for us,” Stafford said. “Wherever we needed him, he stepped in and played at a high level against some really quality opponents. I’m looking forward to seeing his development on the left side and seeing him do his thing for a bunch of years.”
Allen and Noteboom arrived the same season as Rams draft picks. Allen said Noteboom was “the left tackle in waiting” over the past four years even as he moved around the offensive line.
“I think that left tackle spot really is where he’ll shine the most,” Allen said. “I’m pumped for him to have this opportunity to really be the guy. … He absorbed so much wisdom and so much stuff that Whit taught him over those four years.”
Allen also re-signed with the Rams this year, on a three-year contract for $18 million, with $10 million guaranteed.
“It was definitely a little more stressful than I thought it was going to be … being my first time having gone through free agency so I really wasn’t sure what to expect or really what I was getting myself into,” he said. “But I wanted to be back in L.A. and I’m excited about how things unfolded.
“I really didn’t want to leave not knowing how much better I could be in our offense. That was definitely something that was in the back of my mind that I didn’t want to go somewhere and be in a situation where I didn’t have someone like Matt to work with … he’d be a hard person to let know you were leaving.”Losing Whitworth isn’t the only change coming to the Rams on offense. They also traded wide receiver Robert Woods to the Tennessee Titans for a sixth-round pick in 2023. But they added another receiver, Allen Robinson II, in free agency with a three-year, $46.5 million contact and re-signed Stafford to a four-year contract extension worth $160 million.
The Rams could still re-sign wide receiver Odell Beckham Jr., though he won’t be available early next season after tearing his ACL in the Rams’ Super Bowl LVI victory over the Cincinnati Bengals.
znModeratorPFF revealed its five 2022 boom-or-bust free agency signings Wednesday and had Noteboom at the top of the list. Here’s what it said:
Although he played in only 10 games this past season including the playoffs, Noteboom registered a top-15 pass-blocking grade (81.6) from 142 pass-blocking snaps. He was just as productive on true pass sets, where he earned a 77.0 pass-blocking grade and allowed just five pressures — only one of which was a sack.
The 2018 third-round selection will now become a starting blindside protector for the first time in his NFL career after re-signing with the Los Angeles Rams. Noteboom will replace the now-retired Andrew Whitworth, who posted an 89.8 pass-blocking grade at the position in his age-40 season. If this contract pans out, the TCU product can become another Rams draft gem to thrive in a lead role.
April 5, 2022 at 8:17 pm in reply to: Stephon Gilmore? and/or Tyrann Mathieu? updated: Gillmore signs w/ Colts #138220
znModeratorPer Sources: Rams has emerged as a potential suitor in the Tyrann Mathieu sweepstakes there is mutual interest as Rams see him as the perfect nickel in there zone match scheme where he can be a ball hawk underneath… #RamsHouse
— The King Of Colts👑 (@ShaadMcGinnis) April 5, 2022
znModeratorCitizens for Ethics@CREWcrewWe’re not moving on from the fact that Clarence Thomas was the lone vote to block investigators from getting White House documents about the insurrection when his wife was messaging the White House in support of the insurrection
znModeratorJalen Ramsey and Aaron Donald wasted no time recruiting Bobby Wagner to the Rams after he was released by Seattle https://t.co/xZ6Glttxcz
— Rams Wire (@TheRamsWire) April 6, 2022
znModeratorSUPERBOWL CHAMPS@KeenanC1996“Rams are in cap hell” Les Snead “we’re in cap hell when I say we’re in cap hell”
znModeratorTodd Gurley vs The Philadelphia Eagles 2017. One of @TG3II most exciting games with 135 yards and 2 TDs. Gurley had amazing balance for a bigger runner. The true MVP of 2017, if you ask me. And look at @Rodger_Saffold mauling players on the move! Love the effort even in defeat pic.twitter.com/4QtpBIT2SF
— RAMS ON FILM (@RamsOnFilm) April 5, 2022
znModeratorJourdan Rodrigue@JourdanRodrigueRe. video of Matthew Stafford on IG with left arm/wrist in a brace (non-throwing), he got an anti-inflammatory shot in his elbow and the intent of the brace is to limit range of motion while the shot does its thing, sources said.April 5, 2022 at 12:52 am in reply to: Stephon Gilmore? and/or Tyrann Mathieu? updated: Gillmore signs w/ Colts #138199
znModeratori wouldn’t do this deal. if it’s even true.
Yeah it might be a bit much.
znModeratorAaron Donald and his Wife talking about how he was cheering for the 49ers to beat the Packers so he could beat them in the Playoff’s… The Rivalry runs deep! 💙💛🐏 #goat pic.twitter.com/bS09Iavioe
— RamsNation46 (@LARamsey46) April 5, 2022
znModeratorJourdan Rodrigue@JourdanRodrigueOh this is great. Les Snead says the Rams draft group has a “Bobby Wagner Rule” after overthinking where he would drop over a decade ago and missing him (and then seeing him in the division for “too many years”). Essentially: Don’t worry about where player *should* fall if you
znModeratorJohn Randle played for 14 seasons. Sapp played for 13 seasons. Alan Page played for 15 seasons. Steve McMichael, the great DT on the old 85 Chicago defense, played for 15 seasons. Randy White played for 14 seasons.
2022 will be Donald’s 9th season. So 4 or 5 more years sounds possible.
znModeratorJourdan Rodrigue@JourdanRodrigueMy understanding of Wagner contract: Essentially two years, $17.5 million ($6.5 million cash in year one) with $10 million in total guarantees and up to $23.5 million in various incentives; both parties may mutually renegotiate after 1st two years of “functional” contract..Ian Rapoport@RapSheet.Stu Jackson@StuJRamsRams GM Les Snead said he sat with head coach Sean McVay, defensive coordinator Raheem Morris and the rest of the defensive staff to figure out schematically how they could use both Ernest Jones and Bobby Wagner.
znModeratorWe know Stafford throws picks, but i wonder why the 4th quarter is usually different?
I don’t think anyone really knows yet. Some people just focus when the game’s on the line. But this is unusual. We have seen clutch qb play before but who throws a no-look pass in the final, “must win now” drive of a superbowl?
We do have a long great history of great clutch wins. Warner to Proehl then Warner to Bruce. Bulger had a few comeback wins (at one point he had the highest percentage of wins in that situation of any qb). Goff in New Orleans. Stafford had 3 in a row culminating in the super bowl.
znModeratorAaron Donald said he thought he'd want to be done with football after the Super Bowl, but he's still hungry.
"I ain't satisfied. I want to get it one more time." https://t.co/QNnqEklRme
— Cameron DaSilva (@camdasilva) April 4, 2022
znModerator.@DianteLeeFB x @TheAthletic 😎👏 https://t.co/hMO2wXnxyZ
— Jourdan Rodrigue (@JourdanRodrigue) April 4, 2022
znModeratorThe NFL and the Commanders are staying mum in the aftermath of the report that someone has alleged to Congress that the team kept ticket revenue from the league. https://t.co/FKmBsxkeyn
— ProFootballTalk (@ProFootballTalk) April 4, 2022
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