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znModeratorfrom quoraAlex Johnston (Was a paid movie reviewer from the age of 19).Why does Hollywood keep making movies with a scrawny female lead, who takes out a room full of large men with mostly her fists?The scrawny female lead is here to stay, and should be welcomed, but I don’t know about expecting her to take a roomful of men with her fists. I would prefer to see her be realistic and use her brain to take them out.
And if she must get into a fight, let her take a few pointers from the six-foot-tall, plausibly-kicks-like-a-mule-and-also-gets-to-use-a-gun action heroines, like Charlize Theron in Atomic Blonde.
The film’s stunt coordinator, Sam Hargrave, points out in this video that Lorraine in Atomic Blonde very sensibly uses every weapon she can find to maximise her own power, from a rubber hose to a saucepan to a freezer door.
The result is one of the most memorable fights in recent movie history, and stunt coordinators have given Theron full credit for properly training, and carrying out as many of her own stunts as possible.
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znModeratorIf you would have told me three years ago that Tom Brady would become more likable, and Aaron Rodgers would become more unlikable, I would have thought you had lost your mind… Yet, here we are. https://t.co/QuXCd5o6Ox
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znModeratorUnderdog NFL@Underdog__NFLNo QB threw more pass attempts to WRs inside their opponent’s 10-yard line last season than Matthew Stafford (39), according to @SportsInfo_SIS. Allen Robinson ranked top-6 in contested catches among WRs in 3 of the last 4 seasons, per @PFF.
znModeratorRams’ Jalen Ramsey immersed in new role while rehabbing shoulder, eyes Sept. 8 return
By Jourdan Rodrigue
IRVINE, Calif. — By the end of the Rams’ second day of training camp, the practice script Jalen Ramsey carried with him up and down the sideline during competitive team drills was crumpled and worn through in his hand.
Ramsey is recovering from right shoulder surgery, which he had in June to repair one of two A.C. joint injuries he sustained around the middle of last season (Ramsey elected to play through the injuries at the time). At first, he said, the thought was that he could go the non-surgical rehabilitation route this offseason, as is possible with such injuries.
“I was hoping (they) would heal on their own, getting some time off and not re-injuring it every Sunday by hitting or whatever the case may have been,” he said. “But it didn’t work out that way. It got to the point where it was just a little too yucky, a little too messed up in there. It just needed to be cleaned out and made new again.
“We kind of had a deadline in our mind (to decide whether to get the surgery). We stuck with that deadline to figure out ‘if it’s not getting better by now then we need to fix it,’ so we’ll be ready when the time is right. It was a calculated decision on all parts, the training staff and myself.”
The expectation is that Ramsey will be cleared for the season opener against Buffalo on Sept. 8.
“There’s no doubt in my mind that I’ll be ready when the time is right,” he said Monday.
The Rams initially said Ramsey would go on the physically unable to perform (PUP) list to open camp, which wouldn’t affect their roster numbers but would mean Ramsey couldn’t participate in team activities such as installation work. The team pivoted Sunday, declining to designate Ramsey to the PUP list after an evaluation by team doctors.
Ramsey has participated in installation periods with teammates but seemed to really relish the mental work he did on the sideline throughout Monday’s practice. He stuck close to defensive coordinator Raheem Morris and defensive backs coaches Jonathan Cooley and Chris Shula, script in hand, and talked several of his teammates through coverage concepts and play calls alongside the assistants. Ramsey held a particularly strong gravitational pull for rookie cornerback Decobie Durant, drafted in the fourth round this spring. Durant workshopped concepts and technical notes with Ramsey whenever he wasn’t on the field.
“He’s very smart. He wants to soak up a lot of knowledge,” Ramsey said of the younger cornerback. “But honestly, not just him — that’s everybody. Him, (Derion Kendrick) ‘D.K.,’ continuing to develop and help (Robert Rochell) ‘Scoota’ … I hate when I hear on a broadcast or something, like, ‘They’re really missing this guy, they’re really missing that guy,’ I hate that. I like when it’s kind of seamless. Maybe there’s a top dog, but everybody else that is under that is all at a steady, extremely high level of playing the position. That’s kind of the goal for our whole unit.”
Ramsey has always enjoyed the tactical elements of football (Cooley told The Athletic last season that Ramsey is “at his best when he’s challenged” in this way and is often a few steps ahead of the class), so having the script with him for the day added another layer to his communication of the defense to others.
“I kind of know the playbook like the back of my hand,” he said, smiling. “That’s really why I carry the script, so I can help the other guys. I know star, corner, whatever position in the secondary. That’s really why I carry the script, so that I can know exactly the play so I can know the certain techniques that I feel like they should be using, that could’ve helped them or if they got beat on a play, why they got beat. I can really analyze it within the play so I can give them feedback as soon as they come off the field instead of me having to wait until we get to the meeting room.”
More observations and notes from the second day of training camp:
(As a reminder, the Rams often structure their live periods to run the second team against the first team on each side of the ball. First-team-vs.-first-team periods will be specified in reports. Media members cannot report on schemes or the depth chart unless addressing it directly with a coach/player in an interview, but otherwise the full practice is open to credentialed viewers.)
• Kendrick, another rookie cornerback, is drawing some early attention. He had a couple of good battles with speedy second-year receiver Tutu Atwell throughout Monday’s practice and even made a play on a contested ball intended for Allen Robinson. One of the plays of the day was made by Kendrick: Backup quarterback John Wolford unfurled a pretty deep pass to Atwell, who had a step on Kendrick well downfield. But Kendrick closed out at the catch point, more than making up for the gap in coverage, and broke up the pass in the end zone as his defensive teammates celebrated on the sideline.
• Receiver Ben Skowronek made up for a couple of lost balls earlier in the day with a sliding catch in the end zone during red zone team drills.
• Cornerback David Long forced an incomplete pass in team drills, and cornerback Troy Hill was the first to record an interception in camp with a snag off a tipped Wolford pass in team drills. Safety Taylor Rapp also forced an incomplete pass near the end of team drills against the second-team offense.
• Receiver/return specialist Brandon Powell drew praise for a tough-fought catch-and-run through the middle of the field during team drills.
• One of the best plays of the day was made by Robinson in red zone team drills. Quarterback Matthew Stafford fired a pass over the middle of the field as Robinson cut across the back of the end zone (and through heavy traffic) to secure the touchdown.
• Stafford, who threw publicly for the first time since the Super Bowl as camp opened, again took a full workload and appeared crisper than he did Sunday.
“He hasn’t been able to throw for a little while now, (and) you can’t simulate what it’s like throwing against a live defense until you get out here and do it,” said Cooper Kupp, who connected with Stafford several times in team drills. “There (were) lot of guys, during OTAs, that (was) all we got was being able to jog through stuff. So there’s going to be a little bit of that, getting back to feeling that (and) processing that as quickly as possible, and for Matthew being able to feel those live throws, speeding things up and manipulating people, manipulating his arm like he does. That’s gonna come. I know it’s gonna be leaps and bounds as things get going here.
“Everyone wants to be in midseason form on Day 1. And it’s just not realistic. So we just gotta be patient, take things one day at a time and just continue to lay bricks.”
• Extra tidbit: Count tight ends coach Thomas Brown and special teams coach Joe DeCamillis among the assistants who ride their bikes to the facilities from the team hotel. The peloton also includes offensive line coach Kevin Carberry.
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znModeratorThis is the Von Miller sack in the SB where Burrow injured his knee. Not many people probably saw the blanket coverage by Jalen Ramsey at the top of the screen and the perfect Robber by Eric Weddle which made Burrow hold the ball pic.twitter.com/aF7xEvEHb2
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znModeratorSteven Jackson deserved better 🤦🏾♂️ #RamsHouse pic.twitter.com/WqR7BlEvsL
— Cam ✨SB LVI CHAMPIONS (@RamsWRLD_) July 25, 2022
znModeratorJourdan Rodrigue@JourdanRodrigueDAY ONE of Rams camp in the books. Ask Matthew Stafford about anything except jointing IG (even about his arm). He threw today and was a “full” participant; plus a few standout plays and unfolding position battles to track and more observations:.Rams QB Matthew Stafford throws publicly, more notes from Day 1 of training camp
<p class=”sc-30702b06-0 eDWKGg”></p>IRVINE, Calif. — Ask Matthew Stafford anything. Just don’t ask him about joining Instagram.
Yes, even ask him about his throwing arm — that topic is preferable to the notoriously social-media-avoidant Rams quarterback.
“I have no idea, guys,” he said with a dry grimace after Sunday’s first training camp practice, when a reporter commented on Stafford joining IG over the weekend. “You can ask me all of the football questions you want. Don’t ask me about that.”
Sunday, Stafford threw publicly for the first time since the Super Bowl. After receiving an anti-inflammatory injection in his elbow in March, Stafford did not throw a single pass during the portions of organized team activities reporters were able to view, and he said he wouldn’t throw until training camp out of extra precaution for that arm.
On Sunday, Stafford was able to work through each phase of individual drills (short, medium and long routes) and also threw in team drills.
“He was a full participant today,” said head coach Sean McVay after practice. “Him having as much experience as he does, we’ll continue to build him up (and) we’re aware of what that pitch count is. But it didn’t restrict him from being able to do anything today.”
On Friday, McVay confirmed that Stafford would be cleared to throw in camp. The Rams have him on a training plan as they monitor how his arm reacts to the increasing workload. Stafford said he had throwing sessions in the time between OTAs and camp, but there’s nothing that can simulate a full practice.
“It feels good to get out there. Definitely knocking some rust off and feeling it again,” Stafford said. “It’s good to … stress it a little bit, and see how it reacts.”
McVay joked Friday that Stafford was “freakin’ irritated” to not be throwing in the spring more so than harboring concern for any lingering injury. For Stafford, following the Rams’ onload/de-load plan has been an exercise in patience, with a very long season in mind.
“It’s a little bit of a process, but I’ve got to just sit there and go with it,” Stafford said. “There’s a little bit of something that we have down on paper, but it’ll be fluid, I’m sure. So we’ll just go from there …
“It’s an interesting thing, trying to have a little bit of governor on there, and at the same time just be as smart as I can. It’s a process. Gonna have to sit there and work through it, trust it, and we’ll figure it out as we go.”
I spent most of Sunday watching the offense — though the team did break into 11-on-11 drills several times. As a reminder, the Rams often structure their live periods to run the second team against the first team on each side of the ball. Media members cannot report on schemes, but otherwise the full practice is open to credentialed viewers.
Here are some observations from Day 1:
• Cornerback Jalen Ramsey worked with the defense in installation periods, largely at the beginning of practice (he also did an on-field workout with team athletic trainers later in the day). The Rams said Friday that Ramsey, who is recovering from shoulder surgery to repair one of two torn A.C. joints he suffered midseason in 2021, would go on the physically unable to perform (PUP) list to open camp, but the team shifted that plan Sunday.
“Doctors cleared him in a limited fashion,” McVay said, “that enables him to participate in a lot of the jog-throughs, the above-the-neck stuff, and to be able to have him out here with his teammates with all of the different things that we ask of him. He felt good about that, we felt good about that, and so I think that’s what’s best for our football team, (and why) we pivoted in that direction.”
• Ramsey had a great moment with safety Nick Scott during those installation periods, as the two huddled to talk through a concept after a simulated play. Scott’s role will likely increase through the summer and fall.
• Inside linebacker Travin Howard went on the non-football injury list Sunday. Howard pulled his groin while training off-site this summer, and a source said he had to get surgery. No timetable to return has been disclosed. Receiver Warren Jackson, running back Kyren Williams and safety Quentin Lake all went on the PUP list. The nature of Lake’s injury wasn’t previously known (he didn’t practice in the spring), but McVay clarified Sunday that the team is monitoring a knee issue.
Williams, who broke his foot and had surgery in the spring, is likely to be cleared for practice before the end of the preseason, McVay also indicated.
• It was receiver Allen Robinson’s first training camp practice with the Rams, but he didn’t look new. Robinson impressed with his body control on several catches, and Stafford called him out in his news conference for a contested red zone fade. It was hotly debated whether Robinson completed the catch in-bounds, a conversation sure to circulate when the team watches practice cut-ups later.
“Allen is a really intelligent player. I’ve been really impressed by his ability to not only pick up what we’re doing — X’s and O’s and lines on a paper, but (also) the nuanced stuff of what we’re trying to accomplish on each play,” Stafford said. “When you have guys who think like that and can play like that, it makes my job a lot easier.”
• As expected, guard/center Coleman Shelton is competing with rookie guard Logan Bruss for the vacancy on the right side. Shelton can play both guard positions as well as back up Brian Allen at center.
“(Shelton) is a guy we have a lot of trust in,” McVay said. “When you look at getting B-A back and making sure we’re smart with his rep count, he played so many snaps last year (so we’re) making sure that he feels good, and is as fresh as possible. … It’s really fortunate to have a player like Coleman Shelton, who has started, who I think can start at any of the three interior spots and perform at a high level. He’s gonna get an opportunity to do that (and) guys like Logan Bruss.
“But we’re gonna really open it up and try to see what it looks like, to find who is gonna be that fifth player, playing with the other four guys (who) are already established.”
• Cornerback Troy Hill nearly intercepted a pass by backup quarterback John Wolford in team drills, and rookie defensive back Russ Yeast nearly took one away from Stafford in another series.
• Running back Darrell Henderson was able to participate in Sunday’s practice after sitting out all spring with a soft-tissue injury.
• Tidbits that might be interesting only to me: Rams offensive line coach Kevin Carberry (so far) rides his bike to the practice fields from the team hotel. … As demonstrated by receivers coach Eric Yarber, “Yarbs,” the Rams may have invested in new types of padded gloves for use by coaches in individual drills. Teams usually deploy boxing gloves for “punch-out” attempts during those periods, but the gloves Yarber wore Sunday had finger holes and were sheath-padded up to his elbows. That means he wasn’t just “punching” at the ball during catch-and-runs but also could grip-and-rip. That, to me, indicated a slight change in the Rams’ approach to ball-security techniques as a natural integration into drills.
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Matthew Stafford getting loose – this is the first time I have seen him throw in warmups this year and he’s clearly preparing to throw in individuals coming up (as he said he would be able to do in camp). pic.twitter.com/AsLTDCKNTM
— Jourdan Rodrigue (@JourdanRodrigue) July 24, 2022
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Among the better plays of the day: Stafford over the top to Robinson as Robinson cut across the back of the end zone through substantial traffic, in RZ team period.
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Jalen Ramsey can’t participate in team drills yet but he’s really active with DC Raheem Morris and DBs coach Jonathan Cooley on the sideline working group through covg concepts and calls. Looks like he even has a practice script like the coaches.
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Really pretty deep pass to Atwell from Wolford, and Atwell had a step on Kendrick for a would-be TD. But effort play from Kendrick who closed to the catch point and helped knock the ball incomplete instead.I asked Nick Scott about some of these battles today and a grin spread across his face re. Derion Kendrick; cited another play he made on a jump ball to Robinson and added that the rookie Kendrick has already come out of his shell.
Brycen Hopkins looks a step quicker this year.
PUP is like a gray area where the team thinks they can come back (not season-ending) but they still want them able to work on the side with trainers, they just can’t do on-field team stuff.
When I drop tidbits and clues it is always in the hopes that information is provided to the reader that helps them understand the scenario. Per the rules of the credential, I cannot tell you something like (hypothetical), “Coleman Shelton took the bulk of the RG snaps on Day 1 and Bruss was close behind in the rotation” unless it is asked and addressed in a press conference/interview after observing it in practice. Per the rules of the credential I cannot specifically discuss scheme, rotations, etc., unless i ask directly in a presser/interview and it’s answered. That then makes things complicated because often doing that means people who are not at practice will aggregate small pieces of info off the live feed without context for blog stories, so it’s quite a difficult line to walk overall (not complaining, I love my job – but this is something most people don’t know!)
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<u>Mike Sando</u>Jul 25, 2022.It’s a new era for Quarterback Tiers as 50 NFL coaches and executives have shaken up the elite ranks for 2022, the ninth incarnation of my annual survey.Young guns Josh Allen, Justin Herbert and Joe Burrow have joined the Tier 1 ranks, while a couple big names are conspicuously missing — including a certain quarterback the Seattle Seahawks traded to the Denver Broncos in a blockbuster deal recasting expectations for both franchises.
The full 2022 Quarterback Tiers results are below for every veteran starter. The results reflect voting from 50 NFL coaches and executives, including six general managers, eight head coaches, 10 evaluators, 12 coordinators, six quarterback coaches and seven execs whose specialties include analytics, game management and the salary cap. The remaining ballot was put together by four members of one team’s personnel department.
The panel placed 35 veteran quarterbacks into one of five tiers, from best (Tier 1) to worst (Tier 5). Quarterbacks were then ranked by average vote and placed into tiers based on vote distribution, beginning with Aaron Rodgers, whose 1.00 average vote reflected his status as a unanimous Tier 1 selection.
The survey excludes rookies because voters have not seen them play in the NFL. More than one quarterback is featured for teams with unsettled starting jobs.
TIER 1
A Tier 1 quarterback can carry his team each week. The team wins because of him. He expertly handles pure passing situations. He has no real holes in his game.
1. Aaron Rodgers
Rodgers stands alone at the top, the eighth time in nine years of QB Tiers balloting that he finished no worse than tied for the top spot. He is the standard for Tier 1 quarterback play.“I can’t wait to rate him as a 2,” a defensive coordinator said. “That will be like the favorite day of my career.”
Rodgers through the years has received 401 votes in Tier 1, seven in Tier 2 and none lower than that. Some who placed him in Tier 2 previously repented in follow-up conversations.
“Where is the flaw?” a defensive coach asked. “He can make every throw, he has got command of things, he can read defenses, he is challenging to go against because of the mental part of it.”
This is the sixth time in nine years Rodgers was a unanimous Tier 1 choice.
“The smirk, the shoulder shrug, the command of hurry-up tempo in 2-minute, he’s got it all,” a coach said. “The head coach (Matt LaFleur) wants to run the field goal team on and Rodgers waves them off, calls another play, completes it to make the field goal try easier and burns enough time so the kickoff coverage team doesn’t have to run out there. The guy oozes Tier 1 in ways others QBs can only dream doing.”
Rodgers beats the competition in two categories multiple voters cited: the ability to elevate his weaponry and in how he not only outsmarts opponents, but relishes doing so.
“(Tom) Brady has had the more decorated career with 10 Super Bowls and seven rings, but I will say this,” an offensive coach said. “Aaron Rodgers has helped elevate every player on that offense. Brady with N’Keal Harry did not elevate his game. Aaron has had Davante Adams, but he is still waiting for a first-round receiver, they have not had great receivers overall and he is still putting up major numbers.”
As for showing up opponents, Rodgers owns the most condescending smirk in the game.
“It’s not enough to make a good read and see a coverage rotation and throw where he needs to throw,” a defensive coach said. “He wants you to know that he got you and look at the sideline with that smirk. He is outsmarting you … always trying to catch you in a blitz and throw a little smoke out, or whatever. He’s just an extreme challenge to go against, beyond any of these other guys that have talent.”
2. Patrick Mahomes
A single contrarian voter prevented Mahomes from tying Rodgers at the top. That voter, a veteran defensive play caller, thinks there were times last season when Mahomes failed to read defenses the way top-tier quarterbacks should.“We love Mahomes because of his unorthodox throws, not because of his natural pocket presence,” this voter said. “And when that disappears, that is when they lose games. I don’t think that is a 1. I think that is a 2. Nothing against the guy. I love the kid. But take his first read away and what does he do? He runs, he scrambles and he plays streetball.”
Mahomes during the past three seasons has commanded 149 Tier 1 votes, with just this single vote in Tier 2.
“This guy, he’s box office,” a quarterbacks coach said. “I mean, anybody would pay to watch Aaron Rodgers and him play. If you had the worst seat in the house, you would still go watch Patrick Mahomes play.”
Last season, defenses for the first time curtailed Mahomes’ ability to strike for explosive plays. The Chiefs gained more than 15 yards on 14.6% of Mahomes’ pass attempts where gains that long were possible. That ranked 19th among qualifying quarterbacks. Mahomes ranked first during the previous three seasons at 20.3%.
“If I’m playing the optimistic side, I say defenses caught up with them a little bit, they wanted a slow death and he was still on a throw-it-downfield mentality because he had 10 (Tyreek Hill),” an offensive coach said. “Without 10, he will dink and dunk, and they will coach him to that. He will complete so many balls this year because they will get his mind wired for that before the season. Moving Tyreek forced them to a mentality that they would have had to do anyway, and now it’s just easier. It is hard to sell that to a quarterback when you have 10 running around.”
A defensive coordinator said Hill was the No. 1 game-plan consideration when facing Kansas City, above Mahomes.
“It’s like they play NBA iso-ball and just try to get enough space for a matchup on (Travis) Kelce or a matchup on Tyreek,” another defensive play caller said. “If Mahomes has a quote-unquote flaw, I do not think he is the greatest at diagnosing, but he is so extremely talented with his arm, his release and the way that they run their offense, it is just pick your best matchup and go work that. If you’re a matchup-oriented team and you lose one of your top matchup guys like that, it is going to affect how you play. Maybe he has to adapt a little bit, but I think he has all the makeup to do it.”
3. Tom Brady
Quite a few voters think Brady, if isolated only for his on-field contributions, might now belong high in Tier 2. Only eight placed him there. The totality of what Brady provides is why only Rodgers and Mahomes stand above him heading toward Brady’s age-45 season.“Oh, Brady is a 1, 100 percent,” a quarterbacks coach said. “He can carry that offense. He is that offense. He has an all-star team around him, but just look at how that team oozes confidence now that they have 12 back and playing. They are a contender again this year, and it’s all because of having him and just his mindset. Can they protect him? That is going to be the big question.”
Brady last season started every game and led the NFL in pass completions, pass attempts, passing yards and passing touchdowns.
“You still have to give the dude a 1,” a defensive coordinator said. “He still has the physical skills, different than Peyton (Manning) at the end of his career. Tom is going to get you into the right plays and make the right decisions, and he can still throw it. He can win games.”
Pro Football Reference credited Brady with five game-winning drives last season, matching a career high.
“The playoff games were pretty good, but there were spells within those games where you go, ‘Ooooh,’ ” an evaluator said. “The Rams game, both games against New Orleans — certain teams know how to play him well, and he is not simply dicing up guys as much as you would think. He is still talented, but I think he has to have a full package to continue to sustain that success.”
Brady was second to Rodgers in Total QBR and in MVP balloting.
“The things that make him great aren’t going to age poorly — his command of everything, his knowledge and vision,” a defensive coach said. “But I do think there’s a wider arsenal of defenses available that are more effective against him. If you are just straight pressuring him, he’s going to murder you, and if you are just straight in coverages, he is going to murder you. We got him on some simulated pressures, which I think people are figuring out.”
4. Josh Allen
Allen surged into the top tier after narrowly missing last year. Tossing nine touchdown passes without an interception in playoff games against New England and Kansas City all but expunged from his record his playoff meltdown against Houston following the 2019 regular season.“He has proven that he can handle big moments,” a personnel director said. “He still throws interceptable balls, but he gives his guys opportunities to make plays, and nine times out of 10, they are making those plays. You can see the maturity. He used to make really egregious throws. It creeps in every now and again, but he is a big-time passer.”
Allen became the ninth player in QB Tiers’ nine-year history to command Tier 1 votes on at least 75% of ballots. Rodgers has done it nine times, followed by Brady (eight), Mahomes (four), Drew Brees (three), Russell Wilson (two), Peyton Manning (one) and Ben Roethlisberger (one).
“Josh Allen is a better version of Lamar (Jackson), and I love him as a football player,” a defensive coordinator said. “I still think he is erratic as a thrower and so he doesn’t scare me the same way Rodgers does. But he’s ascending.”
This voter had only three players in the top tier. Some voters are stricter than others with their Tier 1 interpretations. The group overwhelmingly placed Allen in Tier 1, behind the only active quarterbacks to win Super Bowls and MVPs.
“Some guys you’ve got to just give credit for being big, talented guys that can overcome a lot of stuff,” an evaluator said. “He may not be perfect, but he’s so big and so talented that he carries the team. He is a freak. He is not going to expertly handle pure-pass situations, but he doesn’t have to a lot of times. He may have five guys hanging on him and complete it anyway.”
One potential concern: Brian Daboll’s departure from the Bills as offensive coordinator.
“It will be interesting to me to see if that changes things, because I think Brian did a really good job,” a defensive coach from the AFC East said. “I think he controlled it as much as Josh did. I don’t want to say Josh is going to be on his own, but I’m not sure he totally has that command yet.”
5. Justin Herbert
Herbert joins a short list of quarterbacks to reach Tier 1 before age 25. Mahomes, Andrew Luck and Deshaun Watson did it after leading their teams to the postseason and winning there. Herbert pulled it off with a career 15-17 record as a starter and no postseason appearances.“Man, I was so impressed with him live,” an offensive coach said. “He has a chance to do something special. He’s the best pure thrower of the three young guys (Herbert, Allen, Burrow). I didn’t realize he was that athletic. One of our studs was chasing him down and he got around him and was laughing at him the whole time. The competitive spirit, the athletic ability, I saw a fricking stud in our game.”
Combine some of Burrow’s accuracy with some of Allen’s size/athleticism and you’ve got Herbert.
“I think he’s the next guy, he is on his way, because the thing with him is, he’s not quite the passer, but he’s kind of like a bigger version of Aaron Rodgers,” another voter said. “When we played them, I was like, ‘Damn, I didn’t know this dude could move that well or he was this accurate.’ Five, six, seven years down the road, I think Mahomes, Josh Allen and Justin Herbert will be the guys we’re talking about, the big three.”
No voter questioned whether Herbert could become a top-tier quarterback. Some did want to see him drive more team success before letting him borrow Dan Fouts’ gold jacket.
“It takes more time on task to truly be a top-tier guy,” a defensive coach said. “With those guys, it is like going to ‘Top Gun Maverick’ every single weekend because the stunts they pull are the equivalent of pulling 11 Gs and bending the air frame. It takes hours in that cockpit to operate that and not kill yourself and your team and crash the thing. When it is 17-0 at half, that is trying to land the thing in the Indian Ocean with 50 mph winds and 40-foot waves rocking the flight deck, and they manage to get it down or get it close.”
6. Joe Burrow
Burrow has started 26 regular-season games and four in the playoffs. He has made it through one season healthy. He also quarterbacked the Cincinnati Bengals to the Super Bowl after Vegas set Cincy’s win total at 6.5, fifth-lowest in the league. Voters love how he plays.“Burrow is a young Tom Brady,” said a GM who placed Allen and Burrow in the top tier, but not Herbert. “I think Herbert has shown he can do it in doses. Burrow is a step ahead. I think his mind is a lot quicker than Herbert’s. Burrow wins with his brain, and he has had to, because he played behind probably the worst offensive line ever to go to the Super Bowl.”
Burrow’s accuracy, calm under pressure and willingness to stand strong in the pocket even when he’s taking punishment has earned admirers.
“This league is in good hands with the quarterbacks right now, and they’re in good places, with (coaches) who like to throw the ball,” a head coach said. “These veteran guys know that these colleges are throwing the ball more and they had better maximize their abilities, man, or they ain’t going to be doing it long, because the colleges are putting out better guys right now.”
Any concerns on Burrow?
“He got fooled on that fourth down in the Super Bowl,” a quarterbacks coach said. “He predetermines a lot of his quick game. They’ll spread it out and try to show him the picture. When you can change the look for him, I think the kid locks in and some of these guys. Once you get a book on them a little bit, you can make these guys struggle a little. I’m not saying this is a guy you are going to take off the map. The kid is a competitor. I’m just saying he clearly predetermines some things and until he grows out of that, he is a good 2 for me.”
A head coach who placed Burrow in Tier 1 explained that Burrow’s poor offensive line was a contributing factor.
“Joe reminds me of the West Coast Offense quarterbacks you always were looking for with the anticipation, instincts, ball accuracy, throwing guys open,” another head coach said. “You just don’t see that at a very young age coming out, and I’m talking particularly from the drop-back phase. I’m a Joe Burrow fan. I’d put a 1 on him.”
TIER 2
A Tier 2 quarterback can carry his team sometimes but not as consistently. He can handle pure passing situations in doses and/or possesses other dimensions that are special enough to elevate him above Tier 3. He has a hole or two in his game.
7. Matthew Stafford
Stafford commanded 18 Tier 1 votes, up from four last year. He remained seventh in the rankings because, while Stafford overtook Russell Wilson and Deshaun Watson this year, he watched Herbert and Burrow race past him. Still, the 1.68 average for Stafford marked a Tiers-era best for him. He now stands about where he did heading into the 2018 season, after four seasons with Jim Caldwell.“I think it’s fascinating,” an offensive coach said. “The whole thing with Stafford, you just felt like here is a guy with all the talent in the world and you get him into a situation with a good staff, a good team, and there’s some consistency there. I certainly was not surprised with how he performed. Any time the head coach is the play caller and you get some chemistry and are on the same page, that’s a huge, huge advantage.”
Stafford might have threatened the top tier if he hadn’t faltered later in the regular season as the Rams, thrilled to have a capable veteran quarterback, leaned into a dropback pass offense to a degree that seemed excessive, perhaps exposing Stafford’s upper limits. One voter cited those limits as his reason for not pushing Stafford into Tier 1.
“Run it, play defense and have a Tier 2 quarterback, you will win a lot of games with that,” a head coach said.
The 2021 Rams averaged 10.5 expected points added (EPA) per game on defense and special teams in the playoffs. That’s the fourth-best average among the past 20 Super Bowl winners, according to TruMedia. The Rams’ offense lost 2.5 EPA per game in the playoffs, second-worst among the past 20 Super Bowl winners. So, yes, it’s a team game. A good team helped Stafford after bad Detroit teams dragged him down for years.
“He still to this day has the best arm I’ve been around or seen,” a voter who was with Stafford in Detroit said. “Whether it’s with a system that suits him and a good partnership with the head coach and all that, a Super Bowl ring gets you an upgrade in my book.”
znModeratorRams Brothers@RamsBrothersAllen Robinson has never had a quarterback with Matthew Stafford’s ability. He has never played in an intricate, ever-changing, difficult to fully grasp offense. Not sure if we all know how much we’re going to love him quite yet.…
This clip of ARob is great for a few reasons. He and Kupp or Jefferson could run this interchangeably (rotating inside/outside depending on matchup).
Right now, they’re adding options/layers to this. They’re finding preferences, tendencies, timing, etc. over the next two weeks. pic.twitter.com/aalNzzDtX6
— Rams Brothers (@RamsBrothers) July 24, 2022
znModeratorThe champs are back at it.
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znModerator10 Storylines as Rams training camp gets underwayhttps://t.co/ebsyGrgn9T
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znModerator“What advice would you give to a woman that’s considering having an abortion?” pic.twitter.com/0uBl1JGZrx
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Reminder that even after the last 20 years with Manning, Brees, Brady, Rodgers, etc in a passing league, Jerry Rice still has 5,400 more receiving yards than 2nd-place Fitzgerald. And 9,500 more yards than the closest active player, Julio Jones.SeattleRams@seattlerams_nfl
If you eliminate the roughly 3600 yards from the four seasons with the Raiders and Seahawks, taking only the SF years in account, his numbers are still number one. Unreal.
znModeratorSigh. Well….the whole thing is appalling to me. Prettymuch everything about the NFL , except the ‘game itself’ is appalling. wv-buzzkill
It is one gawddamm garish ring, that’s for sure. It’s like a physical incarnation of Kroenke’s ego.
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McVay said a few mins ago he didn’t expect additions to PUP other than Howard (but was seeking clarity), and we now have more clarity: Jalen Ramsey,
Jourdan Rodrigue@JourdanRodrigueA third point of clarity from Sean McVay: Jalen Ramsey is NOT on PUP. Team wants him available in strictly install and doctors felt health-wise he could be involved in that regard. Still on a specific plan with Sept. 8 clearance in mind.
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znModeratorRams quarterback Matthew Stafford [talks about] his former Georgia teammate.
I didn’t know Brown was a running back at Georgia when Stafford was their qb.
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from PFF:
The 50 best players in the NFL right now
https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-pff50-ranking-50-best-players-2022
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2. T TRENT WILLIAMS, SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS
Williams had a season for the ages in 2021, finishing with a 97.8 overall PFF grade on a scale that only goes up to 100. His run-blocking tape was an endless clinic of dominance, showcasing a peerless combination of technique, speed, agility, pure strength and power. We may never see that level of run-blocking dominance over a single season again. As a pass blocker, he allowed 16 pressures in 15 games.
20. TE George Kittle, San Francisco 49ers
Deebo Samuel stole the show for the 49ers’ offense last season, but when he was out of the lineup, Kittle continued to dominate like few tight ends the game has ever seen. He led the position in yards per route run (2.35), and the three games in which he saw double-digit targets netted 372 yards and three touchdowns.
26. EDGE NICK BOSA, SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS
Bosa bounced back from a knee injury in 2020 to resume his career as a game-changing edge rusher. He posted 75 total pressures, 39 defensive stops and a career-best 89.8 PFF pass-rushing grade in 2021. Bosa has elite speed around the edge and the power to cause frequent problems for opposing tackles.
28. WR DEEBO SAMUEL, SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS
Samuel is a unique weapon in today’s NFL — a hybrid player who is capable of excelling as a wideout but then moving into the backfield and taking handoffs as a running back. Only Kupp gained more yards per route run than Samuel’s 2.93, and Deebo added another 500 rushing yards and nine touchdowns on the ground (including the playoffs).
30. LB FRED WARNER, SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS
Warner wasn’t as dominant in 2021 as in the year before, but he still remains an elite player at the position and one of the best coverage linebackers in the game. Warner recorded 77.0-plus PFF grades in every facet of play except as a pass rusher, where he notched eight pressures across 48 blitzes. This season will be important for him to see where his baseline of play truly lies.
31. WR DEANDRE HOPKINS, ARIZONA CARDINALS
An injury cost Hopkins much of the 2021 season, and a suspension will cost him the beginning of the upcoming one. Before that, we saw a four-year stretch where he was as good as any receiver in the game. Hopkins dropped just nine passes over the past four seasons and caught at least 45% of contested targets in each of those years, and he continues to dominate despite the Cardinals’ offense doing little to scheme him favorable matchups.
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from PFF:
The 50 best players in the NFL right now
https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-pff50-ranking-50-best-players-2022
1. DI AARON DONALD, LOS ANGELES RAMS
Donald is the best player in football and is increasing his all-time legacy with each passing season. It’s difficult to quantify his standing alongside such greats as “Mean” Joe Greene, Alan Page, Reggie White and Lawrence Taylor without PFF data and grading for those legends of the game. Nonetheless, at the very least, the gap between the best to ever do it and Donald is negligible at this point. Donald once again led all defenders in PFF grade last season (93.5) and took over the Super Bowl on the final drive to secure a championship for the Rams.
13. WR COOPER KUPP, LOS ANGELES RAMS
Kupp stepped up last season as a truly dominant force across the board for the Rams. Once seen as a slot receiver only, Kupp dominated in all areas, including on the outside against press coverage. He was the only receiver in the league who gained more than 3.0 yards per route run (3.12) and caught over 50% of his contested targets.
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14. CB JALEN RAMSEY, LOS ANGELES RAMS
Ramsey continued to excel in 2021 despite playing in a new role, producing his best overall PFF grade since his career year in 2017 for Jacksonville. Ramsey lined up in the slot or in the box on more than double the snaps he did a year ago, and it meant he racked up 25 defensive stops, 12 pass breakups and four interceptions in the regular season.
znModeratorOfficer John Cox in Texas assaulted an unarmed man for no reason and then lied about it. The police chief of Humble, TX said "at no time did the officer strike the suspect" but this footage shows a cop committing assault and then slamming the victim's head on the ground at 0:26. pic.twitter.com/s58jBUpECi
— Fifty Shades of Whey (@davenewworld_2) July 24, 2022
znModeratorThe Rams have a loaded roster entering the 2022 season, but some positions appear to be stronger than others right now. https://t.co/qN7gqlYYgP
— Rams Wire (@TheRamsWire) July 24, 2022
znModeratorAfter Thursday's primetime January 6 hearing, a group of GOP MAGA extremists harassed former DC Police Offer Fanone – a man who had protected our Capitol during the insurrection. Texas Paul reacts and exposes the roots of these right wing conspiracy movements. pic.twitter.com/xxevU64Jc2
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znModeratorStu Jackson@StuJRamsA’Shawn Robinson said last season was his best he’s played as a pro, a big credit to Rams DL coach Eric Henderson. “He’s one of the big reasons why I was able to lock in and have that consistency throughout, because he stayed on top of me and made sure I did the extra things.”.Robinson added that even when he and Henderson weren’t doing those extra things together, he made sure he was doing things on his own to maintain that level of consistency..Robinson, as you likely remember, emerged as a key piece to the defense late last season, and was especially critical to the stout performances by L.A.’s run defense in the playoffs.
znModeratorGaetz: "Why is it that the women with the least likelihood of getting pregnant are the ones most worried about having abortions? Nobody wants to impregnate you if you look like a thumb." pic.twitter.com/0qqvun3Pf8
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