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    Sarah Barshop@sarahbarshop
    Sean McVay said the elbow pain Matthew Stafford is dealing with is “a little bit abnormal for a quarterback.” He said it’s similar to what pitchers deal with.
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    McVay said the training staff tried different things with Stafford in the offseason with the goal of alleviating his elbow pain. “But this isn’t something that we’re totally caught off guard with. I think going into camp we knew that we wanted to have a modified approach.”
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    Los Angeles Rams coach Sean McVay says Matthew Stafford’s elbow pain ‘abnormal for a quarterback

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    IRVINE, Calif. — Los Angeles Rams coach Sean McVay said quarterback Matthew Stafford’s right elbow pain is “a little bit abnormal for a quarterback,” comparing it instead to what pitchers deal with.

    Stafford, who dealt with an elbow injury last season, received an injection in his right elbow during the offseason. He did not throw during the Rams’ spring workouts, saying he and the team were trying to be smart with his throwing arm.

    Stafford threw during individual and 7-on-7 drills on Thursday but did not take part in the team reps. McVay said earlier in the week that he doesn’t expect Stafford to do so before the Rams leave Irvine on Aug. 10.

    McVay said the Rams’ athletic training staff and Stafford “tried some things in the offseason” with the goal of alleviating some of the pain he was feeling in his elbow. McVay said going into camp the Rams knew they wanted to have a “modified approach and a progressive build.”

    “Could he do it? Yes,” McVay said. “Is that the best thing? We didn’t think so. And I think I’ve got a responsibility to try to make decisions that are in the best alignment using medical experts and talking with Matthew. And so all of those things combined led to where we’re at right now. And it is an ever-evolving process, but we are really taking over these next couple weeks, seeing how they go.”

    McVay said Wednesday that Stafford’s pain isn’t a setback but is “consistent with what’s been going on” with the 34-year-old.

    “[You] want to try to have him operate in as little pain as possible,” McVay said. “I think anytime that you’ve played as long and are as tough as he is, I don’t know if you’re ever truly pain-free, but the goal would be for Sept. 8 and really looking towards 17 games then hopefully some games after that if we earn that opportunity.

    “That’s kind of the perspective and the big-picture approach that we want to be able to take. I don’t know that I would feel as comfortable taking that approach if it wasn’t for the experience that he’s accumulated and knowing how intentional he is about staying up to speed with his mental and his physical work that he can do in the absence of some of the stuff in the team settings.”

    McVay said he thought Stafford “looked really good” during practice on Thursday.

    “Even in routes on air, in the types of throws where you’re really seeing all parts of the field being activated, that’s a really good thing,” McVay said. “And so I’ve definitely seen improvement. He was making those types of throws before, but being able to just do it in a smart fashion is kind of what we’re really hunting out.”

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    in reply to: question: does Stafford’s elbow issue worry you? #139973
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    The only concerning thing with Sean McVay’s comments on Matthew Stafford’s arm and the management of his workload is that it’s very similar to what we heard from McVay RE Todd Gurley. But Stafford is about 10 years older than Gurley was
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    in reply to: question: does Stafford’s elbow issue worry you? #139966
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    This is already posted in another thread but it doesn’t hurt to put it here too.

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    https://theathletic.com/3475428/2022/08/03/matthew-stafford-rams-john-wolford/?source=emp_shared_article

    IRVINE, Calif. — Matthew Stafford didn’t throw during Wednesday’s training camp practice, but head coach Sean McVay remains adamant that it’s all a part of “the plan” for the Rams’ 34-year-old quarterback.

    Monday, McVay said Stafford was “still feeling a little bit of pain” in his arm/elbow, and that was the reasoning behind the visibly lighter workload Stafford had that day — which he clarified Wednesday was not a “setback” for Stafford.

    “No, it’s consistent with what’s been going on,” McVay said. “When you really look at the totality of it, wanted to try to have him operate in as little pain as possible. I think that anytime that you’ve played as long or are as tough as he is, I don’t know if you’re ever truly ‘pain-free,’ but the goal would be for Sept. 8 and looking towards 17 games, hopefully some games after that … that’s kind of the perspective and the big-picture approach that we want to be able to take.

    “I don’t know that I would be as comfortable taking that approach if it wasn’t for the experience that he’s accumulated and knowing how intentional he is about staying up to speed with his mental and physical work that he can do, in absence of some of the stuff in the team settings.”

    Stafford had an anti-inflammatory injection in his arm in the spring and didn’t throw through OTAs. He did throw at the start of training camp, as part of what the Rams say is an “onload/de-load” process to get him ready not only for their Sept. 8 opener, but also for a very long season. While he has thrown in red zone and individual drills even on some “de-load” days, Stafford did not participate in team drills for the last two padded practices and isn’t likely to do so until the Rams are back in their regular facilities.

    “We’re really taking it a week at a time, really a couple of weeks,” McVay said. “Don’t expect him to do anything in these team settings for this block or the next three days, next week. Nothing has changed. … This is part of the plan that we feel like is in his best interest.”

    A few things can be simultaneously true:

    • That Stafford and the Rams are trying to manage an ongoing arm issue that clearly bothered him in spots last season

    • That the Rams are aware of this and have him on a dramatically different management plan than they did last offseason (when he took no snaps off)

    • That they probably don’t want to make him throw at a high volume until he has to — when the Rams return to Thousand Oaks, Calif., later this month and actually begin installing their game plan for Buffalo

    • And that an ongoing arm issue is legitimately a concern, though we don’t yet know how big of a concern, because when Stafford has thrown, he’s looked fine.

    To me, the Rams are trying to control everything they can, while they can — because it’s unknown whether this issue will escalate through the course of the season.

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    in reply to: camp reports weeks 2 & 3 #139956
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    Jourdan Rodrigue@JourdanRodrigue
    Allen Robinson just caught a one-handed corner EZ TD with Kendrick draped over him and my jaw fell onto the grass. That was special.
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    ME: Here’s a vid of that. I can only post the link: 

    Rams ‘managing’ Matthew Stafford’s arm; QB2 John Wolford takes over

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    IRVINE, Calif. — Matthew Stafford didn’t throw during Wednesday’s training camp practice, but head coach Sean McVay remains adamant that it’s all a part of “the plan” for the Rams’ 34-year-old quarterback.

    Monday, McVay said Stafford was “still feeling a little bit of pain” in his arm/elbow, and that was the reasoning behind the visibly lighter workload Stafford had that day — which he clarified Wednesday was not a “setback” for Stafford.

    “No, it’s consistent with what’s been going on,” McVay said. “When you really look at the totality of it, wanted to try to have him operate in as little pain as possible. I think that anytime that you’ve played as long or are as tough as he is, I don’t know if you’re ever truly ‘pain-free,’ but the goal would be for Sept. 8 and looking towards 17 games, hopefully some games after that … that’s kind of the perspective and the big-picture approach that we want to be able to take.

    “I don’t know that I would be as comfortable taking that approach if it wasn’t for the experience that he’s accumulated and knowing how intentional he is about staying up to speed with his mental and physical work that he can do, in absence of some of the stuff in the team settings.”

    Stafford had an anti-inflammatory injection in his arm in the spring and didn’t throw through OTAs. He did throw at the start of training camp, as part of what the Rams say is an “onload/de-load” process to get him ready not only for their Sept. 8 opener, but also for a very long season. While he has thrown in red zone and individual drills even on some “de-load” days, Stafford did not participate in team drills for the last two padded practices and isn’t likely to do so until the Rams are back in their regular facilities.

    “We’re really taking it a week at a time, really a couple of weeks,” McVay said. “Don’t expect him to do anything in these team settings for this block or the next three days, next week. Nothing has changed. … This is part of the plan that we feel like is in his best interest.”

    A few things can be simultaneously true:

    • That Stafford and the Rams are trying to manage an ongoing arm issue that clearly bothered him in spots last season

    • That the Rams are aware of this and have him on a dramatically different management plan than they did last offseason (when he took no snaps off)

    • That they probably don’t want to make him throw at a high volume until he has to — when the Rams return to Thousand Oaks, Calif., later this month and actually begin installing their game plan for Buffalo

    • And that an ongoing arm issue is legitimately a concern, though we don’t yet know how big of a concern, because when Stafford has thrown, he’s looked fine.

    To me, the Rams are trying to control everything they can, while they can — because it’s unknown whether this issue will escalate through the course of the season.

    So, Wednesday was No. 2 quarterback John Wolford’s second day with the first-team offense. He confirmed off-podium that was the expected plan entering training camp (that does at least jibe with McVay’s adamance that Stafford didn’t have a “surprise” setback).

    “(Was it something that) I just realized out of thin air?” Wolford said sarcastically. “No, I think that was the plan from the get-go, is we knew training camp is long, and Stafford has played for, what is it, year No. 16 or whatever? (Editor’s note: Stafford is entering his 14th season.) There’s no reason to drive him into the ground. Yeah, I was anticipating (this) walking into camp.”

    Wolford played really well with his increased snap share Wednesday. While he did miss receiver Cooper Kupp once or twice (once throwing too wide toward the sideline), he also hit second-year receiver Tutu Atwell on a 50-yard touchdown down the sideline in team drills early in the day.

    Most jaw-dropping was Wolford’s work with veteran receiver Allen Robinson, to whom he threw multiple touchdown passes. By far the most impressive throw and catch of the day was a high pass from Wolford toward the back corner of the end zone, which Robinson stretched up to snag with one hand despite being draped by rookie cornerback Derion Kendrick.

    “That was exciting,” Wolford said of Robinson, his eyes widening. “He’s been great. How quickly he’s gotten the offense is pretty unbelievable. He’s a pro’s pro. Comes in, works, and then he’s got freakish ability. He’s going to help our team a bunch, (and) I’m happy to get these reps with him. It’s nice and easy when you just throw it up there and go, ‘Ho-leeee shit.‘”

    Wolford also found a rhythm with Kupp as the day continued.

    The two were especially in sync later in practice, when Wolford hit Kupp on some pretty needle threads in the middle of the field (Kupp’s ability to get open in tight spaces is really interesting to watch, during practices when media can be so close to the action). They finished the day on a closely argued third-down throw and catch, which Kupp felt resulted in a touchdown as he crossed the plane (but was argued on a technicality of the team’s safety rules, in that receivers can’t stretch out for those types of scores).

    “You talk to any of the guys (and they’ll say), ‘John goes about his business,’” Kupp said. “He’s got a process. … He’s pushing himself, he’s challenging himself to be the best version of himself so when he steps in and these kinds of situations come up, we can kind of move into that place (of) him (stepping) in and running the show.”

    With Wolford likely running the first-team for all team and seven-on-seven periods over the next few days, it’s important that the Rams feel he can not only move the ball but also specifically get the receivers the type of work they need on a variety of throws.

    “Those are the expectations I have for when I play,” he said. “You’re just busting your ass to be the best player that you can. I don’t try to put too much pressure on myself. I know every day I’m doing the best I can to be the best I can, and chips fall where they may. But I know if I’m doing that, then whatever anyone else says, I don’t give a shit. It’s just me trying to be me.”

    More notes and observations from another Rams padded training camp practice:

    (A reminder: The Rams often structure their live periods to run the second team against the first team on each side of the ball. First-team-versus-first-team periods will be specified in reports. Media members cannot report on schemes or the depth chart unless addressing it directly with a coach/player in an interview, but otherwise, the full practice is open to credentialed viewers.)

    • McVay said he was “encouraged” by team doctors’ assessments following Van Jefferson’s surgery Tuesday. My understanding is that the surgery went very well and that it’s not out of the question to believe Jefferson could return by the Sept. 8 opener, in just under 40 days, but the team won’t rush him back. Meanwhile, McVay declined to place a public timeline on Jefferson’s recovery.

    “Very optimistic that things went according to plan, and we’ll take this a little bit at a time,” he said.

    • Third-year outside linebacker Terrell Lewis is moving well, but that’s not a new phenomenon. Lewis, who entered the NFL having to manage an ongoing knee issue, has been healthy for about a year at this point. But in 2021, he was a healthy scratch for the latter part of the season.

    “It was frustrating,” Lewis said Wednesday. “I feel like I learned a lot from that whole situation. That’s another reason why I feel like I have that chip on my shoulder every day. My biggest goal lately is just like, ‘I want to play in a Super Bowl.’ That kinda bothered me a lot.

    “Mentally it took me awhile to get over it and say, ‘What can you learn from that? What can you gain from this experience?’ … Of not only learning from a player like Von (Miller), but also learning the business and how things go throughout a season where you may just have to be the odd man out. … It definitely felt weird, just because I’ve never been out of a game other than health. So it just felt like, ‘Now that I’m healthy, why the hell am I not playing?’”

    • It’s about that time of year when a few players start to emerge as “sticky guys” who could catch on to the roster for special teams (perhaps more).

    Inside linebacker Jake Hummel was among those who drew praise from special teams coordinator Joe DeCamillis (remember, the Rams are trying to replace the substantial role Troy Reeder played in that phase) this week. I think Hummel may ultimately be in the mix for the “No. 4” spot at inside linebacker, with Travin Howard out for an unknown amount of time and Christian Rozeboom clearly the No. 3 (the No. 4 would largely contribute on special teams).

    Meanwhile, receiver Brandon Powell is still clearly the No. 1 on punt and kick return, and in his first full camp with the team has been given opportunities on the first or second-team offense, too (especially lately with Jefferson out). Wednesday he got some opportunities run-blocking with the first team, and it’s clear he’s willing to sell out to grade the road as needed. Powell wouldn’t be in the “four-spot” or maybe even the “five-spot” of rotating receivers once Jefferson is back but is making a case for the Rams to keep him around.

    As of now, I’d put Riley Dixon in the lead at the punter spot, but having Cameron Dicker’s versatility and competition around in training camp doesn’t hurt.

    Outside linebacker Daniel Hardy can crack some playing time early on if he keeps up the good work on special teams.

     

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    Altruism? …ok, but i would like to hear the shark’s version next. w v

    The shark’s version is that he was never actually indicted for anything.

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    After Alex Jones’ lawyers accidentally leak years of emails, Infowars financial documents are revealed in court

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    A lawyer for two parents suing Jones said the emails showed that Infowars at one point in 2018 was making over $800,000 per day.
    Conspiracy theorist Alex Jones attempts to answer questions about his emails asked by Mark Bankston, lawyer for Neil Heslin and Scarlett Lewis, during trial at the Travis County Courthouse in Austin on Aug. 3, 2022.

    Lawyers for Alex Jones appeared to have accidentally sent over the entire contents of the Infowars founder’s phone to the lawyers for the plaintiffs in his defamation trial, according to court proceedings Wednesday.

    Mark Bankston, a lawyer for the parents of one of the children killed in the 2012 Sandy Hook Elementary School massacre and who are now suing Jones, said during the proceedings that “12 days ago, his [Jones’] attorneys messed up and sent me a digital copy of every text” and email from Jones’ phone.

    After Bankston told Jones that the Sandy Hook parents’ legal team had access to years of his texts and emails, he asked Jones, “Do you know what perjury is?”

    Bankston did not respond to a request for comment. An inquiry to Infowars was not immediately returned. NBC News has not independently acquired or verified the authenticity of the messages discussed by Bankston during Wednesday’s proceedings.

    Parents of Sandy Hook victims are suing Jones for $150 million in damages after Jones claimed the shooting was “synthetic,” a “false flag,” and that the families of those who were killed were “crisis actors.”

    Jones has since apologized, claiming that he has not personally published nor signed off on Sandy Hook conspiracy theories for years. New texts revealed by Bankston on Wednesday appeared to show Jones signing off on more Sandy Hook conspiracy theories five years after the tragedy.

    The phone documents also appeared to reveal Infowars’ long-hidden finances.

    Bankston outlined several days in 2018 in which Infowars made over $800,000 per day. Jones did not dispute the veracity of the emails or the dollar figures, but claimed some of their higher-profit days came during the week of CPAC, the conservative conference.

    Earlier in the trial, Jones said the highest figure his company made was $200,000 per day.

    Minutes later, taking questions from the jury, Jones claimed a $2 million judgment in the case “will sink us.” Free Speech Systems, the parent company of Infowars, filed for bankruptcy in late July.

    Jones also had previously claimed that being “deplatformed,” or permanently suspended from services like Twitter and Facebook, had negatively affected the company’s bottom line, likening the situation to “jail.” Bankston said the newly revealed financial documents show that the opposite is true — the company made more money than ever after it was banned from platforms like Facebook and YouTube in 2018.

    “Well after your deplatforming, your numbers keep getting better,” Bankston said.

    Infowars is a private company and is not required to disclose financial records. The company largely makes money by selling emergency survival food and goods, and rebranded supplements like Infowars’ Brain Force Plus. Jones said during the trial that some of the supplements are sold at a 100% markup, and at one point he bragged about the quality of his supplements.

    Neither Jones nor his lawyers appeared to be aware that Sandy Hook parents’ lawyers had access to Jones’ emails and texts. Bankston said he had let Jones’ lawyers know about the mishap 12 days ago.

    On an open microphone in a recess, Bankston asked his fellow lawyers: “You know what nobody’s thought about yet? What happens when that phone goes to law enforcement?”

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    well actually the nflpa had said it would sue if the suspension was for a year. .

    My point was, the PA would not do that because it’s Watson or because they are on his side. It would simply be a matter of how suspensions are handled in all cases like this. It’s just a matter of how the rules are applied.

    In fact, the NFL is appealing the suspension and asking for more.

    I don’t happen to think this is a mess. I think Watson got caught by the judge who was the arbitrator for the case. The NFL wants a tougher suspension, and the PA wants to enforce strict adherence to suspension rules.

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    I’m told NFL is appealing for an indefinite suspension that would be a minimum of one year. But perhaps more significant given the structure of Watson’s contract, source tells me the NFL’s appeal will also include a monetary fine. Money is now a significant part of the equation.
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    but still no conviction. and i just read that the nflpa will fight if they try to suspend him for more. that’s just all horrible.

    There was no conviction because there was no trial and there was no trial because it was hard to prove what happened in one on one encounters.

    The PA would not sue on Watson’s behalf, that would be entirely procedural in terms of what the agreed on protocols for suspensions are. It’s not this case, it’s any case that in the PA’s eyes pushes agreed upon protocols.

    You do not pay off more than 2 dozen women with settlements if it’s nothing.

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    I have no idea what ‘justice’ looks like in a case that does not go to trial, and where two grand juries decided there was not enough evidence to indict, and where we dont know all the facts…..but…where 24 women have prettymuch told the same story. How in the world do you add up all the knowns and unknowns in a case like this, and then do all the human-algebra and then turn it into “X number of game suspensions.” The whole, entire, situation is post-modernly-surreal. Thats all i got. w v

    yeah. the whole thing is just strange. i don’t really know much about the details. the only thing i can think of in recent memory that compares is that whole ben roethlisberger controversy that happened ten years ago. i just looked it up, and he was also suspended for 6 games. roethlisberger for sexual assault and watson for sexual misconduct. not sure if there’s a difference between those two words.

    Watson settled with all but one of the women who accused him.

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    Twenty-four women filed lawsuits against Watson, alleging that he assaulted or harassed them in massage appointments between 2020 and 2021, when he was on the Texans’ roster. Watson, who has denied any wrongdoing, settled 20 of those suits last month

    from https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/15/sports/football/deshaun-watson-settlement-texans.html

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    Watson’s agent Tony Buzbee told ESPN’s John Barr that the Browns quarterback has agreed to settle three of the four remaining civil lawsuits filed against him.

    from https://www.si.com/nfl/2022/08/01/deshaun-watson-settles-three-of-four-remaining-lawsuits-per-report#:~:text=Ahead%20of%20Robinson’s%20decision%20Monday,civil%20lawsuits%20filed%20against%20him.

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    The 22 active civil suits allege Watson forced two women to perform oral sex, ejaculated on three women and in front of three others, groped four women and kissed another woman unprompted upon arrival for a massage appointment. Eighteen of the 22 active suits accuse Watson of inappropriately touching women with his penis during massage therapy sessions.

    from https://theathletic.com/2496073/2022/07/15/deshaun-watson-sexual-assault/

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    in reply to: Rams tweets … 8/2 – 8/5 #139936
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    They talk about the Rams at 4:55 in.

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    Sarah Spain@SarahSpain
    Tom Brady has been involved in all 3 forfeited first round picks in NFL history: ’08 Pats – Illegally videotaping Jets coaches’ signals on the sideline during a ’07 game ’16 Pats – Deflating footballs used in the ’14 AFC Championship ’22 Dolphins – Tampering with Brady, Payton
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    Given that, how do two grand juries to say there’s not enough to indict?

    That’s a question in its own right.

    Meanwhile the league does not need a criminal indictment to determine if there are grounds for a suspension.

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    There are pics so it’s hard to copy, follow the link.

    Two Weeks In, the Webb Space Telescope Is Reshaping Astronomy

    In the days after the mega-telescope started delivering data, astronomers reported exciting new discoveries about galaxies, stars, exoplanets and even Jupiter.

    https://www.quantamagazine.org/two-weeks-in-the-webb-space-telescope-is-reshaping-astronomy-20220725/?fbclid=IwAR1AQEbSqAruSR251iJTNYQG8z5vInsTn-X5bft_tPY0uD-IO9LxdQeKQJI

    sample:

    One of JWST’s much-touted abilities is the power to look back in time to the early universe and see some of the first galaxies and stars. Already, the telescope — which launched on Christmas Day 2021 and now sits 1.5 million kilometers from Earth — has spotted the most distant, earliest galaxy known.

    A blurry blob of light that’s white in the center and red around the edges.]

    A newfound galaxy dubbed GLASS-z13, which is so far away that we see it as it appeared 300 million years after the Big Bang, now holds the record for the earliest known galaxy. That record is not expected to last long.

     

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    On September 25, 2000, 19-year-old Kevin Hines tried to kill himself by jumping off the Golden Gate Bridge. He fell more than 220 feet to the water below, slamming into it at 75 miles per hour.
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    The impact shattered three of his vertebrae and came within two millimeters of severing his spine — yet he somehow survived. And when he realized he was still alive, he was immediately overtaken by an overwhelming will to live.
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    However, the weight of his clothes kept dragging him down below the surface of San Francisco Bay. For what felt like an eternity, he barely managed to resurface for mere seconds at a time and breathe just enough air to cling to life.

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    Then, he suddenly felt a strange force from below pushing him up above the water, where he stayed until the Coast Guard eventually came to get him. Only later did he learn that eyewitnesses had seen the mysterious force that had been keeping him afloat: a sea lion that was propping up his body until the rescue boat arrived.

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