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    Clock Mismanagement

    Geno’s Revenge

    Joe Nicholson-USA TODAY Sports

     

    Russell Wilson returned to Seattle with what we expected to be a far superior Broncos team to the Seahawks squad he left behind. A baffling night — and an ugly 17-16 Seattle win — tossed those preconceptions in the trash.

    A few things that actually happened:

    • Geno Smith, Wilson’s former backup, started 17-of-18 through the air and finished 23-of-28 for 195 yards and two touchdowns. He was crisp and efficient, in both the passing and quote game. “They wrote me off. I ain’t write back, though,” he said afterward.
    • The Broncos fumbled twice on the Seattle 1-yard line.
    • New Denver coach Nathaniel Hackett will be lambasted in today’s news cycle after wasting 30 seconds at the end of the game with good field position … all to attempt a 64-yard game-winning field goal. Hilariously, Brandon McManus had two tries after the Seahawks called a timeout just before his first attempt sailed wide left. His second attempt did the same. Peyton Manning almost had an aneurysm on air thanks to the sequence.
    • Wilson, arguably the best player in Seahawks franchise history, got booed before his first snap Monday.

     

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    “Seattle Seahawks all alone in first place in the NFC West” is not a sentence anyone saw coming this season.

     

    Rams are fooling everyone with this “pretend not to be good” routine. Teams are clearly getting suckered in by it.

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    Thomas Lecaque@tlecaque
    Hi, Medieval historian and life long Tolkien reader here. Let’s have a little chat, fanboys, shall we

    Black people are real. They are not an innovation of “woke” directors and writers designed to ruin a perfect pristine white supremacist Middle Ages. Most of the world is not white, and Europe was not isolated from the rest of the universe until after 1492.

    There were Black people in Europe in the Middle Ages. There were Black people in Europe in Antiquity. Black people exist in art and legends and historical narratives across Europe. This includes missionaries sent to convert England to Rome-style Christianity, it includes the

    Patron Saint of the German kingdoms, and it includes normal people living their lives in the Mediterranean basin and beyond.

    Having Black actors cast as hobbits and dwarves and elves is… normal.

    As for the lore. I read the Hobbit in second grade and Lord of the Rings in 3rd, I’ve read the Silmarillion and a good chunk of the unfinished tales.

    This is a TV show based on appendices of a fictional work that Tolkien himself didn’t publish.

    Can there be Black elves and dwarves and halflings in the Second Age? Absolutely. These characters aren’t in the books, because the series is appendix based fan fiction. This is only a disservice to “lore” if you require an all white Middle Earth.

    That’s a YOU problem.

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    Jourdan Rodrigue@JourdanRodrigue
    Outstanding insight from Tremayne Anchrum today, as he prepares for potential first start at guard. Think I learned more about OL play in 12 mins than I could in a few weeks. “Won the press conference” as the saying goes. He’s excited for the opp and ready to prove himself.
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    This is a great thread.

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    Jourdan Rodrigue@JourdanRodrigue
    I think Thurs showed they really miss Jefferson not just bc what he can do but how his routes themselves can change covg contours. They could rush four/sit in a hard, cloudy zone all day. Stafford’s nos. tank the most in that scenario + didn’t see many adjustments
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    Everything works better if Rams can rush their even and odd fronts successfully without blitzing. Can keep integrity of the shell to cap explosives, manipulate DB muddiness with extra players available. Can constrict into quick game even under shell (actually have ILBs now!).

    It’s why Rams were willing to offer a big contract extension to Von (despite a would not/could not of the 3rd guarantee year bc Kupp, Donald deals were incoming), why the Bills, who also played with a zone shell (tho slightly different type) constricted the Rams’ offense, it’s

    why I’ve repeated since March that Rams will have major decision to make ahead of trade deadline with multiple, agile offenses and top QBs on deck after that, week after week. Rush fronts, let ILBs and DBs cook back there.

    It’s only Week 1, so plenty of time to figure it out.

    Obviously there are a lot more little variables at work inside a defense, and no, this doesn’t mean there aren’t other issues in other areas to solve, bc we know multiple things are true. But, Rams blitzed 28.9% of drops thurs, Bills never rushed > 4 and kept the cap on the back.

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    NFL Quarterback Tiers 2022: Allen, Herbert and Burrow Make Tier 1 Debuts

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    It’s a new era for Quarterback Tiers as 50 NFL coaches and executives have shaken up the elite ranks for 2022, the ninth incarnation of my annual survey.

    Young guns Josh AllenJustin Herbert and Joe Burrow have joined the Tier 1 ranks, while a couple big names are conspicuously missing — including a certain quarterback the Seattle Seahawks traded to the Denver Broncos in a blockbuster deal recasting expectations for both franchises.

    The full 2022 Quarterback Tiers results are below for every veteran starter. The results reflect voting from 50 NFL coaches and executives, including six general managers, eight head coaches, 10 evaluators, 12 coordinators, six quarterback coaches and seven execs whose specialties include analytics, game management and the salary cap. The remaining ballot was put together by four members of one team’s personnel department.

    The panel placed 35 veteran quarterbacks into one of five tiers, from best (Tier 1) to worst (Tier 5). Quarterbacks were then ranked by average vote and placed into tiers based on vote distribution, beginning with Aaron Rodgers, whose 1.00 average vote reflected his status as a unanimous Tier 1 selection.

    The survey excludes rookies because voters have not seen them play in the NFL. More than one quarterback is featured for teams with unsettled starting jobs.

    TIER 1

    A Tier 1 quarterback can carry his team each week. The team wins because of him. He expertly handles pure passing situations. He has no real holes in his game.

    1. Aaron Rodgers

    Rodgers stands alone at the top, the eighth time in nine years of QB Tiers balloting that he finished no worse than tied for the top spot. He is the standard for Tier 1 quarterback play.

    “I can’t wait to rate him as a 2,” a defensive coordinator said. “That will be like the favorite day of my career.”

    Rodgers through the years has received 401 votes in Tier 1, seven in Tier 2 and none lower than that. Some who placed him in Tier 2 previously repented in follow-up conversations.

    “Where is the flaw?” a defensive coach asked. “He can make every throw, he has got command of things, he can read defenses, he is challenging to go against because of the mental part of it.”

    This is the sixth time in nine years Rodgers was a unanimous Tier 1 choice.

    “The smirk, the shoulder shrug, the command of hurry-up tempo in 2-minute, he’s got it all,” a coach said. “The head coach (Matt LaFleur) wants to run the field goal team on and Rodgers waves them off, calls another play, completes it to make the field goal try easier and burns enough time so the kickoff coverage team doesn’t have to run out there. The guy oozes Tier 1 in ways others QBs can only dream doing.”

    Rodgers beats the competition in two categories multiple voters cited: the ability to elevate his weaponry and in how he not only outsmarts opponents, but relishes doing so.

    “(Tom) Brady has had the more decorated career with 10 Super Bowls and seven rings, but I will say this,” an offensive coach said. “Aaron Rodgers has helped elevate every player on that offense. Brady with N’Keal Harry did not elevate his game. Aaron has had Davante Adams, but he is still waiting for a first-round receiver, they have not had great receivers overall and he is still putting up major numbers.”

    As for showing up opponents, Rodgers owns the most condescending smirk in the game.

    “It’s not enough to make a good read and see a coverage rotation and throw where he needs to throw,” a defensive coach said. “He wants you to know that he got you and look at the sideline with that smirk. He is outsmarting you … always trying to catch you in a blitz and throw a little smoke out, or whatever. He’s just an extreme challenge to go against, beyond any of these other guys that have talent.”

    2. Patrick Mahomes

    A single contrarian voter prevented Mahomes from tying Rodgers at the top. That voter, a veteran defensive play caller, thinks there were times last season when Mahomes failed to read defenses the way top-tier quarterbacks should.

    “We love Mahomes because of his unorthodox throws, not because of his natural pocket presence,” this voter said. “And when that disappears, that is when they lose games. I don’t think that is a 1. I think that is a 2. Nothing against the guy. I love the kid. But take his first read away and what does he do? He runs, he scrambles and he plays streetball.”

    Mahomes during the past three seasons has commanded 149 Tier 1 votes, with just this single vote in Tier 2.

    “This guy, he’s box office,” a quarterbacks coach said. “I mean, anybody would pay to watch Aaron Rodgers and him play. If you had the worst seat in the house, you would still go watch Patrick Mahomes play.”

    Last season, defenses for the first time curtailed Mahomes’ ability to strike for explosive plays. The Chiefs gained more than 15 yards on 14.6% of Mahomes’ pass attempts where gains that long were possible. That ranked 19th among qualifying quarterbacks. Mahomes ranked first during the previous three seasons at 20.3%.

    “If I’m playing the optimistic side, I say defenses caught up with them a little bit, they wanted a slow death and he was still on a throw-it-downfield mentality because he had 10 (Tyreek Hill),” an offensive coach said. “Without 10, he will dink and dunk, and they will coach him to that. He will complete so many balls this year because they will get his mind wired for that before the season. Moving Tyreek forced them to a mentality that they would have had to do anyway, and now it’s just easier. It is hard to sell that to a quarterback when you have 10 running around.”

    A defensive coordinator said Hill was the No. 1 game-plan consideration when facing Kansas City, above Mahomes.

    “It’s like they play NBA iso-ball and just try to get enough space for a matchup on (Travis) Kelce or a matchup on Tyreek,” another defensive play caller said. “If Mahomes has a quote-unquote flaw, I do not think he is the greatest at diagnosing, but he is so extremely talented with his arm, his release and the way that they run their offense, it is just pick your best matchup and go work that. If you’re a matchup-oriented team and you lose one of your top matchup guys like that, it is going to affect how you play. Maybe he has to adapt a little bit, but I think he has all the makeup to do it.”

    3. Tom Brady

    Quite a few voters think Brady, if isolated only for his on-field contributions, might now belong high in Tier 2. Only eight placed him there. The totality of what Brady provides is why only Rodgers and Mahomes stand above him heading toward Brady’s age-45 season.

    “Oh, Brady is a 1, 100 percent,” a quarterbacks coach said. “He can carry that offense. He is that offense. He has an all-star team around him, but just look at how that team oozes confidence now that they have 12 back and playing. They are a contender again this year, and it’s all because of having him and just his mindset. Can they protect him? That is going to be the big question.”

    Brady last season started every game and led the NFL in pass completions, pass attempts, passing yards and passing touchdowns.

    “You still have to give the dude a 1,” a defensive coordinator said. “He still has the physical skills, different than Peyton (Manning) at the end of his career. Tom is going to get you into the right plays and make the right decisions, and he can still throw it. He can win games.”

    Pro Football Reference credited Brady with five game-winning drives last season, matching a career high.

    “The playoff games were pretty good, but there were spells within those games where you go, ‘Ooooh,’ ” an evaluator said. “The Rams game, both games against New Orleans — certain teams know how to play him well, and he is not simply dicing up guys as much as you would think. He is still talented, but I think he has to have a full package to continue to sustain that success.”

    Brady was second to Rodgers in Total QBR and in MVP balloting.

    “The things that make him great aren’t going to age poorly — his command of everything, his knowledge and vision,” a defensive coach said. “But I do think there’s a wider arsenal of defenses available that are more effective against him. If you are just straight pressuring him, he’s going to murder you, and if you are just straight in coverages, he is going to murder you. We got him on some simulated pressures, which I think people are figuring out.”

    4. Josh Allen

    Allen surged into the top tier after narrowly missing last year. Tossing nine touchdown passes without an interception in playoff games against New England and Kansas City all but expunged from his record his playoff meltdown against Houston following the 2019 regular season.

    “He has proven that he can handle big moments,” a personnel director said. “He still throws interceptable balls, but he gives his guys opportunities to make plays, and nine times out of 10, they are making those plays. You can see the maturity. He used to make really egregious throws. It creeps in every now and again, but he is a big-time passer.”

    Allen became the ninth player in QB Tiers’ nine-year history to command Tier 1 votes on at least 75% of ballots. Rodgers has done it nine times, followed by Brady (eight), Mahomes (four), Drew Brees (three), Russell Wilson (two), Peyton Manning (one) and Ben Roethlisberger (one).

    “Josh Allen is a better version of Lamar (Jackson), and I love him as a football player,” a defensive coordinator said. “I still think he is erratic as a thrower and so he doesn’t scare me the same way Rodgers does. But he’s ascending.”

    This voter had only three players in the top tier. Some voters are stricter than others with their Tier 1 interpretations. The group overwhelmingly placed Allen in Tier 1, behind the only active quarterbacks to win Super Bowls and MVPs.

    “Some guys you’ve got to just give credit for being big, talented guys that can overcome a lot of stuff,” an evaluator said. “He may not be perfect, but he’s so big and so talented that he carries the team. He is a freak. He is not going to expertly handle pure-pass situations, but he doesn’t have to a lot of times. He may have five guys hanging on him and complete it anyway.”

    One potential concern: Brian Daboll’s departure from the Bills as offensive coordinator.

    “It will be interesting to me to see if that changes things, because I think Brian did a really good job,” a defensive coach from the AFC East said. “I think he controlled it as much as Josh did. I don’t want to say Josh is going to be on his own, but I’m not sure he totally has that command yet.”

    5. Justin Herbert

    Herbert joins a short list of quarterbacks to reach Tier 1 before age 25. Mahomes, Andrew Luck and Deshaun Watson did it after leading their teams to the postseason and winning there. Herbert pulled it off with a career 15-17 record as a starter and no postseason appearances.

    “Man, I was so impressed with him live,” an offensive coach said. “He has a chance to do something special. He’s the best pure thrower of the three young guys (Herbert, Allen, Burrow). I didn’t realize he was that athletic. One of our studs was chasing him down and he got around him and was laughing at him the whole time. The competitive spirit, the athletic ability, I saw a fricking stud in our game.”

    Combine some of Burrow’s accuracy with some of Allen’s size/athleticism and you’ve got Herbert.

    “I think he’s the next guy, he is on his way, because the thing with him is, he’s not quite the passer, but he’s kind of like a bigger version of Aaron Rodgers,” another voter said. “When we played them, I was like, ‘Damn, I didn’t know this dude could move that well or he was this accurate.’ Five, six, seven years down the road, I think Mahomes, Josh Allen and Justin Herbert will be the guys we’re talking about, the big three.”

    No voter questioned whether Herbert could become a top-tier quarterback. Some did want to see him drive more team success before letting him borrow Dan Fouts’ gold jacket.

    “It takes more time on task to truly be a top-tier guy,” a defensive coach said. “With those guys, it is like going to ‘Top Gun Maverick’ every single weekend because the stunts they pull are the equivalent of pulling 11 Gs and bending the air frame. It takes hours in that cockpit to operate that and not kill yourself and your team and crash the thing. When it is 17-0 at half, that is trying to land the thing in the Indian Ocean with 50 mph winds and 40-foot waves rocking the flight deck, and they manage to get it down or get it close.”

    6. Joe Burrow

    Burrow has started 26 regular-season games and four in the playoffs. He has made it through one season healthy. He also quarterbacked the Cincinnati Bengals to the Super Bowl after Vegas set Cincy’s win total at 6.5, fifth-lowest in the league. Voters love how he plays.

    “Burrow is a young Tom Brady,” said a GM who placed Allen and Burrow in the top tier, but not Herbert. “I think Herbert has shown he can do it in doses. Burrow is a step ahead. I think his mind is a lot quicker than Herbert’s. Burrow wins with his brain, and he has had to, because he played behind probably the worst offensive line ever to go to the Super Bowl.”

    Burrow’s accuracy, calm under pressure and willingness to stand strong in the pocket even when he’s taking punishment has earned admirers.

    “This league is in good hands with the quarterbacks right now, and they’re in good places, with (coaches) who like to throw the ball,” a head coach said. “These veteran guys know that these colleges are throwing the ball more and they had better maximize their abilities, man, or they ain’t going to be doing it long, because the colleges are putting out better guys right now.”

    Any concerns on Burrow?

    “He got fooled on that fourth down in the Super Bowl,” a quarterbacks coach said. “He predetermines a lot of his quick game. They’ll spread it out and try to show him the picture. When you can change the look for him, I think the kid locks in and some of these guys. Once you get a book on them a little bit, you can make these guys struggle a little. I’m not saying this is a guy you are going to take off the map. The kid is a competitor. I’m just saying he clearly predetermines some things and until he grows out of that, he is a good 2 for me.”

    A head coach who placed Burrow in Tier 1 explained that Burrow’s poor offensive line was a contributing factor.

    “Joe reminds me of the West Coast Offense quarterbacks you always were looking for with the anticipation, instincts, ball accuracy, throwing guys open,” another head coach said. “You just don’t see that at a very young age coming out, and I’m talking particularly from the drop-back phase. I’m a Joe Burrow fan. I’d put a 1 on him.”

    TIER 2

    A Tier 2 quarterback can carry his team sometimes but not as consistently. He can handle pure passing situations in doses and/or possesses other dimensions that are special enough to elevate him above Tier 3. He has a hole or two in his game.

    7. Matthew Stafford

    Stafford commanded 18 Tier 1 votes, up from four last year. He remained seventh in the rankings because, while Stafford overtook Russell Wilson and Deshaun Watson this year, he watched Herbert and Burrow race past him. Still, the 1.68 average for Stafford marked a Tiers-era best for him. He now stands about where he did heading into the 2018 season, after four seasons with Jim Caldwell.

    “I think it’s fascinating,” an offensive coach said. “The whole thing with Stafford, you just felt like here is a guy with all the talent in the world and you get him into a situation with a good staff, a good team, and there’s some consistency there. I certainly was not surprised with how he performed. Any time the head coach is the play caller and you get some chemistry and are on the same page, that’s a huge, huge advantage.”

    Stafford might have threatened the top tier if he hadn’t faltered later in the regular season as the Rams, thrilled to have a capable veteran quarterback, leaned into a dropback pass offense to a degree that seemed excessive, perhaps exposing Stafford’s upper limits. One voter cited those limits as his reason for not pushing Stafford into Tier 1.

    “Run it, play defense and have a Tier 2 quarterback, you will win a lot of games with that,” a head coach said.

    The 2021 Rams averaged 10.5 expected points added (EPA) per game on defense and special teams in the playoffs. That’s the fourth-best average among the past 20 Super Bowl winners, according to TruMedia. The Rams’ offense lost 2.5 EPA per game in the playoffs, second-worst among the past 20 Super Bowl winners. So, yes, it’s a team game. A good team helped Stafford after bad Detroit teams dragged him down for years.

    “He still to this day has the best arm I’ve been around or seen,” a voter who was with Stafford in Detroit said. “Whether it’s with a system that suits him and a good partnership with the head coach and all that, a Super Bowl ring gets you an upgrade in my book.”

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    I put this in another thread but it goes here too.

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    According to PFF’s first-run analysis, the Rams’ offensive line gave up seven sacks, four hits and 13 hurries from 50 snaps. That 48.0% pressure rate is the team’s seventh-worst single-game mark since 2016.

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    Why the Rams collapsed in brutal, ‘humbling’ season opener to Bills: The Pile

    By Jourdan Rodrigue

    https://theathletic.com/3579415/2022/09/09/rams-season-opener-loss-bills/?source=emp_shared_article

    INGLEWOOD, Calif. — There’s a first time for everything. For head coach Sean McVay and the Rams, there were a lot of “firsts” on Thursday night, in a brutal 31-10 loss to a bright-and-shiny Buffalo Bills team. Most of them weren’t good.

    It was the first time McVay has lost a season opener, for example. The seven sacks quarterback Matthew Stafford took marked the first time a McVay-led team allowed that high a number in a single game — and the Bills had six of them by the start of the fourth quarter.

    “When you look at the lot of the ways this game unfolded, I feel a huge sense of responsibility to this team,” said McVay. “We weren’t ready to go. I take a lot of pride in that, that’s on me. I gotta do better. … This was a humbling experience, but we’re gonna stay connected.”

    Cornerback Jalen Ramsey put it succinctly: “We got our ass beat, straight-up.”

    Stafford threw three interceptions to his one touchdown (to Cooper Kupp, who had a slick toe-tap-and-drag in the back corner of the end zone to score, back when the Rams were actually in the game). He and tight end Tyler Higbee miscommunicated on a route for one of the interceptions, Stafford threw a high ball to Kupp that he tipped and then was picked on another and he had a ball batted and intercepted by defensive lineman Boogie Basham.

    The Rams took the ball away four times themselves — they intercepted Bills quarterback Josh Allen twice, both heads-up plays by outside linebacker Terrell Lewis and cornerback Troy Hill (Hill cranked down on a route he read from depth and jumped the pass). They also recovered two fumbles. But on the other side, their offensive drives were largely wasted.

    “I thought our defense played great in the first half,” said Stafford, “they give us turnovers like that, we gotta do something better with the football, capitalize with it, get more points out of those.”

    Further, the Bills’ effectiveness on third down and after explosive plays were daggers. Buffalo was a whopping 9 of 10 on third down attempts; two of their touchdowns came on third down, one third-down play featured a gnarly stiff-arm from a running Allen to convert the play and on another, the Rams were their own demise via a penalty (too many men on the field, something that should never happen with that many veteran players).

    “That was tough,” said McVay of the substitution error. “Really, I thought (the Bills’) execution was pretty good (on third down). We were tight, they were tight-window throws and catches and Josh was able to create a little bit with his legs. You give credit to those guys, that’s gonna be a really, really good football team.”

    McVay reiterated that the game was a dose of humility, and a lesson from which he’ll learn.

    “I’m not gonna run away from the mistakes I made tonight,” he said. “We’re gonna fix this. That’s all we know how to do.”

    But there was a lot more to the Rams’ loss than that, and some important context to note, too. The Rams, for the first time in the McVay era, are 0-1. Welcome (back) to The Pile, and back to the locker room — where players were composed and insightful despite the loss. Let’s start poking around.

    Rushing four a killer

    Stafford was statistically the best quarterback in the NFL in 2021 when blitzed. The problem is, the Bills successfully only rushed four players nearly the entire game.

    They sacked Stafford seven times (former Ram Von Miller had two), hit him 15 times and each member of the Bills’ front averaged less than four yards of distance from him throughout the entire game, when the NFL average is 4.53 yards (per NextGen Stats). When Stafford has seen successful pressure with just four players, meaning more are dropped into coverage, his completion percentage drops from about 74 percent (averaging throws from under center and shotgun), to about 64 percent, per TruMedia, and his EPA/play similarly plummets.

    “Oh, yeah, they didn’t rush five really at all tonight,” McVay said. “For them to be able to do that, it’s a real credit to them.”

    Guard David Edwards told The Athletic’s Tim Graham that the Rams’ offensive line “killed themselves with mistakes”.

    “I don’t feel like we ever got into a rhythm offensively, just mistakes up front that really cost us drives,” he said. “We’d start moving the ball and then have a false start or a sack, just not clean football. They did a great job of putting us in bad spots, but they also out-executed us, plain and simple.”

    Right tackle Rob Havenstein agreed with Edwards’ assessment.

    “No one’s happy right now. Every guy on the offensive line right now is pointing the finger at himself. This one hurts. There’s no silver lining in this. It’s about correcting the things that need to be corrected with urgency — never panic,” Havenstein said to Graham. “Panic never wins in the NFL. That’s not how our line’s going to handle it. We’re going to keep this thing moving.”

    Stafford, who spent the offseason managing an ongoing elbow issue, stayed in the entire game. McVay cited his “toughness” after the game under heavy, and frequent duress.

    “He’s a tough-minded guy, standing in there, no flinch, getting hit a lot and didn’t have a whole lot of time,” said McVay. “But I love Matthew Stafford. There were a couple of unfortunate balls that get tipped up … I know he’s going to continue to compete, love Matthew and we’re gonna keep riding.”

    Silent night

    First McVay, then Stafford, mentioned that the Rams had to go to their “silent count” (the cadence the quarterback and offense revert to when there is excessive crowd noise). The Rams were the home team Thursday.

    “We had prepared for it, we prepared to be on the silent count at home again,” said Stafford, “but it wasn’t something that we haven’t done before.”

    McVay said that the Bills’ front seven jumped the timing of their silent count well.

    “No, that does not help us,” Kupp said. “Once you go to a silent count, you lose the advantage offensively to be able to get off the ball. So, ideally, you don’t want to be doing silent.”

    Where were Allen Robinson and Cam Akers?

    Allen Robinson, the Rams’ big-name receiver who seriously impressed in training camp after joining the team in March, didn’t see much action. Robinson’s first target of the game was on a long third down in the second quarter after Stafford took a sack. The play picked up 12 yards, but was short of the conversion. Kupp and a pile of Rams players (featuring guard Coleman Shelton) pushed forward on a catch-and-run for the first down that kept the drive alive. Allen finished the game with just two targets and the one catch.

    It wasn’t completely clear, aside from the frequent duress Stafford faced and the coverages he saw, why Robinson wasn’t more involved.

    “I think they played, (estimating), maybe two snaps of man? It’s a lot of zone,” Stafford said, “they clouded to the boundary quite a bit, Allen saw a lot of Cover 2 over there. I can still do a better job of getting him the ball in some instances.”

    It was, however, interesting to see the Rams work the expected committee of receivers into the rotation in absence of No. 3 receiver Van Jefferson, who was inactive as he continues to rehab from knee surgery. Second-year receiver Ben Skowronek got the start and had four catches for 25 yards. The Rams also tested out second-year receiver Tutu Atwell on a couple of sweeps as a decoy player, but when Stafford hit him in the flat, Atwell dropped the pass after taking heavy contact from a defender. Return specialist Brandon Powell actually took a handoff and had a 10-yard catch, and even tight end Brycen Hopkins, who had a phenomenal training camp, seemed to struggle at times. Running back Darrell Henderson (five catches for 26 yards) could have gotten a first down on a catch-and-run but was stuffed by a player Hopkins likely should have blocked.

    With Kupp, Higbee and Skowronek in the stack as blockers, the Rams in theory should have been able to run the ball better than they did. Henderson, who started and got the lead share of reps, had a couple of really nice runs (including a physical 18-yard long that set up Kupp’s touchdown). But he finished the game with just 47 yards on 13 carries. Meanwhile, running back Cam Akers had just three carries and didn’t come in until the second quarter.

    McVay said that the team not rotating in Akers, who only had three carries and didn’t even get a snap until well into the second quarter, was because they “didn’t get in much of a rhythm tonight”, and added that he’d have liked to get Robinson more involved.

    ‘Third downs killed us’

    The Bills’ 90 percent conversion rate on third down was a key issue for the Rams. Buffalo’s first third down, a third-and-1, was a touchdown that happened when multiple Rams defenders bit hard on a run-fake by Allen, who then had Gabe Davis wide open in the end zone. Allen ran in a second touchdown off a third down in the fourth quarter, but the Rams’ problem was further illustrated by the play that set it up: a 47-yard pass to Davis that came on third-and-7.

    “We didn’t do a good enough job on third downs, felt like third downs killed us,” said inside linebacker Bobby Wagner (he finished the game with a sack and seven tackles).

    “We just, our eyes have to be right. We have to play better. I think it’s a group thing, it’s not just one person … I think those plays (specifically the two third-down touchdowns and the conversion-after-penalty) are plays that we can easily watch film on and get better at. …

    “Anytime you let a team be 90 percent on third down, no matter how many turnovers you get, you’re not gonna win the game.”

    Something good out of something bad

    It was striking to me how the Bills’ offensive game plan was the combination of the Rams’ most frustrating games throughout 2021: The Bills could go ball-control, meaning they were perfectly happy and patient taking little pieces out of the field against the Rams’ zone, and then chose their specific spots for their game-altering explosive plays via a quarterback who could make these happen not just with his storied arm, but also his legs.

    Allen didn’t throw the ball past 20 yards (without the yards-after-catch from a receiver) until late in the second half of the game. The 47-yard throw (the aforementioned third-down play) set up a touchdown. Allen also threw a 53-yard touchdown and his first touchdown technically counts as an “explosive”, meaning a pass play of 20-plus yards, even though the last 10 yards or so were picked up by Davis after the catch.

    The Rams mostly play zone, coming down from depth as a part of their two-high shell first installed in 2020. That “shell” is intended to put a roof on an offense they can’t crack with explosive air-yards plays, which are statistically far likelier to set up points than several shorter passes eventually equating the same amount of yards. Things get complicated with Allen, a player who can throw on the run and even while getting hit and reach his target.

    “They were really attacking our little zones, like our soft spots in our zones,” Ramsey said. “Obviously we’ve gotta watch the film, but I’m sure we all would’ve liked to play man a little bit more. I feel like we kind of had a mentality like, ‘bend, don’t break’ a lot, because they were driving the ball but they weren’t scoring, like, we were getting turnovers, interceptions, whatever it was.”

    Then, Ramsey said what I think was the most illuminating piece of this matchup: “We felt like they weren’t going to be patient enough to do that the whole game, just take those five yards, three yards, four yards, right? But they were, for the most part,” he said, “(and) then they had … two or three explosives that ended up turning into touchdowns, and that was like, the difference. They won by three touchdowns.”

    As I’ve written about for years, patiently taking little pieces out of this defense’s soft places (willing to die a “death by 10,000 paper-cuts”, as Miami coach and former 49ers coordinator Mike McDaniel used to say), is the way to beat it. As Ramsey noted, the ethos of this defense is to out-patience the other, to bet the other side will make a mistake before they do. Thursday’s first half illustrated that before the Bills started creating explosives and picking effective spots for big plays. Speaking of the 49ers, whose concepts seemed to show up in the Bills’ game plan a few times Thursday night, what happens when a team such as Buffalo combines that paper-cut patience with a quarterback who has legs like Allen and can actually make any throw?

    “Once he starts scrambling, you gotta try to find somebody and, like, latch on to ’em. It is even tougher, actually, when you’re in zone,” said Ramsey. “When you do play a lot of zone, when you do play a lot of zones. Once you’re in your zone, then he starts scrambling, you gotta go find somebody to attach to, like the nearest person in your zone. It’s extremely tough, and he did that a couple times.”

    The combination is a reality check for the Rams, because others will try to play them this way. They may not be able to do it like this, because they don’t have Allen.

    So, then, it has to be a positive in all of the muck to have seen Wagner’s own in-game adjustments on a specific 49ers-inspired play: The toss runs. The Bills ran some toss plays early in the game, and you could almost see Wagner’s mind whirring in real time. A run-stop in the second half (perhaps one of his best of the evening) happened because he perfectly diagnosed the toss concept, recalled it from his study of 49ers tape and reacted. The 49ers, a clear influence on how teams will try to beat Los Angeles, used that concept to attack the Rams’ inside linebackers with a lot of success in 2021. Wagner wasn’t fooled twice.

    Bottom of The Pile

    • Receiver Odell Beckham Jr. was present on the Rams’ sideline pregame. While I don’t normally comment on clothing (that’s uniform enthusiast and podcast co-host Rich Hammond’s job), Beckham is a very intentional person and wore the non-football version of Thursday night’s Rams uniform: Yellow pants, a simple white T-shirt and a blue hat.

    Beckham helped present the Lombardi Trophy to the Watts Rams, a local group of youth football players, ahead of the Super Bowl banner ceremony … standing next to owner Stan Kroenke and general manager Les Snead as he did so.

    • No. 3 running back Kyren Williams injured his ankle and was listed as “questionable” to return, and his updated status wasn’t announced in the press box (presumably the injury happened on special teams, because Williams didn’t get a shot at playing running back). McVay next speaks to media Friday afternoon, and will likely have a status update at that time.

    • A small positive: Kicker Matt Gay hit a 57-yard field goal with enough room behind it to be a 68-yarder, according to NBC’s kick measurement analysis. On the other hand, it wasn’t totally clear why Powell took out kickoffs nearly every time, including one that was stuffed at about the 10-yard line and set up poor field position.

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