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Our offense does not have super-studs. But it has the POTENTIAL for a synergy that would be above average. And that would include the passing game
I think that’s all true.
I don’t know which skill guys are going to step up and do what in this offense, but I would think it would be at least as good as the Carolina game showed they could be.
.July 13, 2014 at 11:33 am in reply to: buncha pre-camp "Rams preview" articles, pre-season rankings, & vids #1650zn
ModeratorSam Bradford is entering the final year of his rookie contract.
That’s not correct. As most here know, 2015 is his final year.
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July 13, 2014 at 11:30 am in reply to: buncha pre-camp "Rams preview" articles, pre-season rankings, & vids #1649zn
ModeratorPreseason Power Rankings No. 20: St. Louis Rams
Curtis Crabtree
July 13The St. Louis Rams were a trendy pick to possibly make a push for the playoffs last season. A 1-3 start to the season put the Rams in a hole and losing Sam Bradford for the year after seven games was the final nail in the coffin to their playoff aspirations.
But the Rams could take positives out of last year’s performances. Their defense became a nightmare to opposing quarterbacks as Chris Long and Robert Quinn led a scary defensive front and Zac Stacy showed promise as a possible replacement for Steven Jackson.
Unfortunately for St. Louis, they find themselves at the bottom of the best division in the NFL.The Rams added 11 draft picks to their roster as the continue to retool their talent under head coach Jeff Fisher. What are the prospects for the upcoming season? We take a look at the roster below as training camp approaches.
Strengths.
St. Louis may have the best defensive front in all of football. With Chris Long and Robert Quinn combining for 27.5 sacks last season and Michael Brockers and Aaron Donald manning the interior, the Rams will be a handful for any offensive line their square off against. In addition, the Rams still have depth along their front with Kendall Langford, Eugene Sims and William Hayes as rotational players.
James Laurinaitis and Alec Ogletree give the Rams a nice pair of linebackers they can rely on. Also, Jared Cook and Lance Kendricks are a dependable tight end pair.
Greg Zuerlein and Johnny Hekker provide a strong duo of specialists as well for St. Louis.
Weaknesses.
While the Rams defense proved fearsome at times last season, there were still a could problem areas on that side of the ball. Jo-Lonn Dunbar and Will Witherspoon struggled at times at the strong-side linebacker spot. In addition, Darian Stewart and Rodney McLeod had issues at safety after T.J. McDonald suffered a broken leg and was placed on the short-term injured reserve list. Those areas remain question marks heading into training camp.
St. Louis is still lacking a true No. 1 option at receiver and depth in their secondary as well.
Changes.
Cortland Finnegan was released by the Rams over the offseason, which elevated Janoris Jenkins and Trumaine Johnson into the presumed starting roles ahead of training camp. Johnson could get pushed for his starting job by rookie Lamarcus Joyner, but Joyner may be best suited in the slot.
First-round selections Greg Robinson and Aaron Donald both should slot into the starting lineup on each side of the ball. Robinson is slated to replace the departed Chris Williams at left guard with Donald supplanting Kendall Langford at defensive tackle.
Camp battles.
Most of the major position battles should come on the defensive side of the ball for the Rams. Jo-Lonn Dunbar and Ray-Ray Armstrong will battle for the third linebacker position, Trumaine Johnson could be pushed by second-round pick Lamarcus Joyner for the starting job opposite Janoris Jenkins at cornerback and Rodney McLeod could be challenged by fourth-round pick Mo Alexander at safety.
On the offensive side of the ball, the receiver position seems to be wide open. Tavon Austin’s role is secure as caught more passes than any other St. Louis receiver last year.. However, the Rams have a gaggle of receiving options behind Austin without much separation between them. Chris Givens likely enters camp as the team’s top option on the perimeter after leading the receiving corps with 569 yards last year. Kenny Britt, Austin Pettis, Stedman Bailey and Brian Quick all will be vying for playing time as well.
In addition, Isaiah Pead and third-round pick Tre Mason will likely battle for the backup role to starter Zac Stacy at running back.
Prospects.
The Rams sit looking up at the best division in football. Seattle and San Francisco met in the NFC Championship game last season and the Arizona Cardinals were playing as well as anyone at the end of the regular season.
St. Louis faces the real possibility of being an improved team but still not seeing much improvement in their overall record.
Sam Bradford is entering the final year of his rookie contract. The Rams could take a bigger leap than anticipated if Bradford can finally take the step forward in proving he can be one of the league’s better signal callers. Bradford was completing nearly 61 percent of his passes and had posted a 14-4 touchdown-to-interception ratio before his season ended due to injury.
The Rams keep taking baby steps in their quest to improve from their decade of futility. However, they’ll need more than baby steps of improvement to run down the teams at the top of their division.
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ModeratorI think the article’s projection for the Rams of about 58% passing sounds right.
Just exploring the topic generally…forget the article…I’m not sure how valid 2013 stats will be on this. 9 games were with Clemens at qb…and that meant they had to run to win. Running the ball is an entirely different thing with Bradford, since unlike Clemens he can challenge defenses passing.
They could run in 2012 too with Jackson, and the result for the season was a pass/run ratio of 34.8 to 25.6. That’s around 58% passing.
Not sure about these Rams “will be Seattle” claims you hear sometimes.
In 2013, Seattle was ranked 31st in passing attempts and in 2nd in rushing attempts. They passed 45% of the time.
In 2013, SF was ranked 32nd in passing attempts and in 3rd in rushing attempts. They too passed 45% of the time.
In 2012…12 not 13…the Rams were ranked 17th in passing attempts and 22nd in rushing attempts. As I said they passed 58% of the time.
Forget the Rams in 2013. Richardson couldn’t run in the 1st 4 games, and then Clemens started 9 of the remaining 12 games. The stats will be skewed.
Also, related to all this, Bradford’s play action is first rate, so that will fit into a tough power running game.
Oh and I don’t expect SF and Seattle to remain at the bottom in passing attempts. Unlike the popular perception of them, both teams made concerted efforts to upgrade at WR.
So I think this idea that the NFC west means heavy run to pass ratios will hold up, but I also think eventually all 4 teams will be meeting in the middle when it comes to that. I think Rams pass attempts will remain more or less what they were in 2012, and both SF and Seattle will eventually (maybe this year) pass more that they did…meaning, will pass a higher percentage of the time compared to what they did in 2013.
July 13, 2014 at 12:11 am in reply to: First Spectacular Supermoon Of 2014 Will Peak This Saturday #1601zn
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ModeratorFROM JETS SHOULD PASS ON QB
NY POST
By Steve Serby
http://www,nypost.com/sports/jets/64600.htm%5DNY Post
http://forums.theganggreen.com/threads/article-jets-should-pass-on-qb.4619/The draft expert I trust the most, because of his experience as college scouting administrator from 1994-98 for the Rams and Midwest scout from 2001-04 for the Browns, is GMjr.com’s Russ Lande.
Leinart’s Hail Mary task will be to convince Mangini, Tannenbaum and rookie offensive coordinator Brian Schotteheimer that:
* He is not a celebrity Hollywood quarterback who lists Paris Hilton as a friend.
* It is not a red flag that he last week fired superagent Leigh Steinberg.
“I don’t think he’s anywhere near a franchise quarterback,” Lande said. “Personally, I would not take him in the first round. I gave him a second-round grade.”
Lande was more accurate than most when he gave Tom Brady, the Patriots’ sixth-round pick out of Michigan in 2000, a third-round grade.
“I compare Leinart to Brady; very very similar in almost every category I grade,” Lande said.
There are questions about Leinart’s arm strength.
“He can make all the throws; he can’t make them with unbelievable zip on them,” Lande said.
Young’s warts include that dreadful Wonderlic score and an alarmingly-low release point.
“I think he has all the tools to be a franchise quarterback,” Lande said. “He’s a developmental guy. He’s just more of a risk.”
Lande favors Leinart over Young.
“There are so many mistakes made with quarterbacks; I’d take the guy I think is the surest thing,” he said.
Jay Cutler of Vanderbilt has been compared with Brett Favre, and I know that Phil Simms likes him.
“Probably the most intriguing of the quarterbacks,” Lande said. “All the physical tools are there to be an elite quarterback.”
But?
“He’s a very inconsistent guy accuracy-wise right now,” Lande said.
Lande’s second-favorite quarterback is Oregon’s Kellen Clemens, who has recovered from a broken ankle and will meet with the Jets Wednesday. Lande likes his quick release, arm strength, accuracy and toughness.
He has Alabama QB Brodie Croyle rated no higher than the fourth round because of durability concerns.
“He’s thin throughout his whole body,” Lande says.
On little more than an educated guess, Lande gave the Jets Ngata in his mock draft to play the nose in their new 3-4.
He thinks the Jets have covered their bases for now with Chad Pennington and Patrick Ramsey, and would do well by taking Davis (“This kid, to me, is a better receiver than Kellen Winslow”winking smiley or Ferguson (“He’ll start from Day 1 and by the second or third year he’ll be outstanding”winking smiley.
Remember, the Jets will have a chance to get quality players to address two of their other needs with the 29th pick they received in the John Abraham trade and the 35th pick.
No one is saying that they don’t need a Quarterback of the Future. But the worst thing a franchise can do is to give in to public pressure and reach for a franchise quarterback just because fans and media think he might be the savior.
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Moderator“I think the addition of Kenny Britt will be a huge boost for the Rams offense,” Witherspoon told SiriusXM NFL Radio on Thursday. “I expect him to blossom into a star.”
Well, it would sure come in handy.
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ModeratorHad to move this one, TSRF. The post before this one explains why. Hope you understand.
July 12, 2014 at 2:18 pm in reply to: Listen to the oldest song in the world…a 3400 year old Sumerian hymn… #1578zn
Moderator[this post is really pasted together fragments from wikipedia]
The oldest incomplete annotated piece of ancient music is a Hurrian song, a hymn in Ugaritic cuneiform syllabic writing which was dedicated to Nikkal. The Hurrian hymn to Nikkal (also known as the Hurrian cult hymn or A Zaluzi to the Gods, or simply h.6), making it the oldest surviving substantially complete work of notated music in the world. It is clearly a religious text concerning offerings to the goddess Nikkal, wife of the moon god.
Nikkal, full name Nikkal-wa-Ib, is a goddess of Ugarit/Canaan and later of Phoenicia. She is a goddess of orchards, whose name means “Great Lady and Fruitful” and derives from Akkadian / West Semitic “´Ilat ´Inbi” meaning “Goddess of Fruit”. De Moor translates Ugaritic
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ModeratorSam is constantly evaluated in relationship to the elite level. That’s perhaps inevitable with a #1 overall. But the discussion is always, “will he break out and become an elite QB this year?” And while that question is legitimate, the sole alternative should not be “bust.” Even if the critics are right and Sam turns out not to be elite, he will give you solid and that is not a bust!
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Yeah I bet we see SB very similarly. IMO unless he regresses…and anything can happen…he ought to be better than just solid.
I don’t think I ever thought he would be elite, though. (I don’t think you did either. That’s my impression.) Meaning, elite being the level of Brady, Luck, and Manning. Or even the (to me) NEAR elite guys like Brees and Rodgers. I think his ceiling is similar to what Rivers was doing last year, or Flacco in 2012 (with a running game).
I’m obviously on record as saying you don’t need an elite qb to win the Whole Enchilada.
You re-watched the games, right? What did you like about Bradford?
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ModeratorWell, I don’t consider Bradford a gamble at all. I think this season will finally put an end to the media’s ‘wondering’ about the abilities of Sam Bradford.
Yeah it’s interesting to see how a different analysis sees the same issue.
http://theramshuddle.com/topic/s-i-offseason-report-card-rams-2/
Will that ascension happen in 2014? Well, it could, if Bradford picks up where he left off last season pre-injury and all that youth matures.Even if the process takes another year, though, this is all headed in the right direction. This current offseason only tossed more coal into the fire.
One say, Bradford and all his issues = a gamble. The other (quoted here) says, Bradford just needs to pick up where he left off.
If I were to be a complete homer about this, my interpretation is–one guy (Burke, the “just needs to keep it up” guy) saw more Rams games than the other guy (Lande) did.
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ModeratorHowdy TSRF. Welcome aboard. Your other post is on the Board Policies and Issues Board.
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ModeratorHello TSRF. We worried about you. How did you finally find us? I had no email, and so on. I didn’t know this thread was still on the Rams board though so I am going to move it to the Board Policies and Issues board.
Here’s a good thread to join in the festiveness of all this–moving, finding people again…
http://theramshuddle.com/topic/ever-wandering-lost-tribe-of-ram-fans/
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July 11, 2014 at 10:11 pm in reply to: Listen to the oldest song in the world…a 3400 year old Sumerian hymn… #1529zn
ModeratorThen i think its only fair if i bring in other positions. For example
i would argue that “Running RBs” get tackled less
than stationary pocket RBs.Think about that algebra, right there.
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vLook, now you’re just running circles around me. You said you would only do that when I defended fumblers.
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Moderator“Be bold and mighty forces will come to your aid”
― Johann Wolfgang von Goethe“We all of us live upon the past, and through the past we are destroyed.”
― Johann Wolfgang von GoetheExample.
% of medium passes.
With Hill and Davis after 2 games:
% of total passes thrown 10 yards & under:
% of total passes thrown 11-20 yards:
% of total passes thrown 21-30 yards:
% of total passes thrown 31+ yards:-
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ModeratorWell, i’m not even sure i would agree that there is one
category we could call ‘running QB.’Ya know. There’s Staubach. And Kaepernik. And Tarkenton.
And Russell Wilson. And Steve Young. And Montana. And Rothlisberger.
And Cam Newton. And Randall Cunningham. Troy Aikman. And RG3. And even Andrew Luck.I’m not sure, but i think there are different categories QBs in that group.
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vWell, when you get down into the details…that’s true. But I’m fine for now with the simple difference in 2 categories.
I think it’s roughly true that there’s a style of qb who uses his legs as a part of his game–to run or to scramble or to both–and then pocket passers who have varying degrees of lesser mobility.
So for example Bradford is more mobile than Warner but as long as I’m relying on rough categories, I put them both on the “pure pocket passer” side.
So Bradford v. Newton in its own different way amounts to the same as Warner v. McNair.
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ModeratorFROM Analysis: Best quarterbacks are more than passers
By Frank Cooney, The Sports Xchange
read the whole article: http://sports.yahoo.com/news/analysis-best-quarterbacks-more-passers-150802859–nfl.html
ST. LOUIS RAMS
–QUARTERBACKS: Starter — Sam Bradford. Backups – Shaun Hill, Garrett Gilbert, Austin Davis.
Returning from a torn ACL injury that short-circuited his 2013 season, Bradford knows the pressure there is simply to stay on the field. Including his final season at Oklahoma, Bradford has had injuries that affected his play in three of the last five seasons. With the Rams, in addition to 2013, there was a 2011 season affected by a high ankle sprain. He was playing well when the knee injury occurred last season, and he expects to pick up where he left off. Hill replaces Kellen Clemens as the backup, and if he has to play, the passing offense will not be as diminished as it was when Clemens had to play. The Rams like the potential of the rookie Gilbert, and he is expected to win the No. 3 job over Davis, who was cut at the end of the preseason last year only to be brought back after Bradford was injured.
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ModeratorWell for me, the statement “running qbs get sacked more” is perplexing.
I’m not sure what that ‘means’ to you.I mean, would Roger Staubach have been a better QB
if he had stayed in the pocket all the time?
Would Elway or Steve Young have been better
without running ability? Would Russell Wilson be
better if he had no running ability?
Would Rothlisberger be more or less
dangerous if he had no running ability?Obviously the ability to run is a ‘good thing’.
So, I’m not sure what your meta-point is here.
Steve Young, John Elway, Joe Montana,
Ben Rothlisberger, Roger Staubach…Ya know.
There’s running-quarterbacks, and there’s
running quarterbacks.Some of the Running-QBs are just bad QBs.
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vSometimes, I will just bite off small pieces and given em a good chew. Like, if this were science, I would have just carbon dated a fossil. Doing that isn’t a commentary on the nature of human existence.
So, I’m not thinking about the general category of “the running/mobile qb” or judging the type in general or downgrading them.
I was just kicking around the idea that running qbs get sacked more. The context of that is, debates over the years with guys who say they get sacked LESS. For example, last fall, I had debates with some guys who said that because he was more mobile, Clemens got sacked less than SB. Actually he got sacked at a higher rate. Whenever this kind of thing comes up, in fact, I say the same thing–the r/m qb gets sacked more, not less.
So it just occurred to me to ask, have I ever actually seen that quantified? I looked. No one had done it, not that I saw in a fast search. So, I just went ahead and did it.
So I haven’t even climbed the ladder yet up to the more complicated issue of comparing them.
I think all I showed is that in terms of sack percentages, the pocket passer tends to do better.
But someone could easily say, yeah, well, but, there are other advantages to having a r/m qb that balance that. And I would probably go…sure.
July 11, 2014 at 4:36 pm in reply to: Isaac Bruce is a Candlestick Legend….. will have Joe Montana as QB #1512zn
ModeratorIt annoyed me, Ike didn’t retire as a Ram.
Now, I understand that as a Seattle fan, it’s your duty to mislead and confuse Rams fans. I get that, and respect it.
But in this case…you’re messing around with Wikipedia.
Wikipedia
On June 7, 2010 Bruce was traded from the 49ers to the Rams so that he would be able to retire as a Ram. Bruce was the last member of the former Los Angeles Rams to retire.
“Bruce to retire as Ram after trade.” June 8, 2010. ESPN.com news services. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5261130
“Snap Judgments: Bruce retirement ends last link to Los Angeles Rams”. CNN. June 8, 2010. http://www.si.com/more-sports/2010/06/08/isaac-bruce
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ModeratorCal and Pancake.
I had to move your posts to this closed “history” thread for a couple of reasons. I hope you understand. There’s a rule against attacking even absent posters, and this closed thread is the only exception we can allow. I have a dilemma with that…if I followed the “no attacking posters” rule IN this thread I would have to delete half of it. The topic is emotional and sadly leads to personal clashes. Yet people have a right to see the history and decide for themselves, and it is difficult (from the point of view of a mod) to sort out what is mere emotion and what is a perspective on the history. So that means this thread must be the only (sad) exception to the no attack rule, or there is no rule.
So the best thing, however paradoxical, is to move them to this closed thread. However, neither am I going to encourage the kind of bickering we remember all too well from the old huddle board wars. Everyone has a view. Most here just dislike conflict of any kind anyway. My own personal advice is just let it go, and move on.
What I want is for people to read this thread weeks and even months from now, and be able to make up their own individual minds about what happened and who saw it what way and why.
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ModeratorYEAH THAT’S RIGHT SHOW OFF YOUR ADAM’S APPLE. YEAH IT’S NICE MR. SHOW-OFF. BUT DON’T THINK WE’RE ENVIOUS CAUSE WE’RE NOT, MR. GOT IT SO FLAUNT IT.
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ModeratorBest wishes Mack, hang in there. You are missed.
If you are ever gone for any length of time, I promise, we will send out search parties.
So…whatever you do…don’t remove “the locator chip.”
Without that, the satellite tracking software is useless.
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July 11, 2014 at 1:59 pm in reply to: discussion: Seattle shows what a top defense does for a qb #1491zn
Moderator2012 = qb rating of 100.
2013 = qb rating of 101.2http://www.nfl.com/player/russellwilson/2532975/profile
When he came out as a rookie, Softli was
emphatic about his football IQ.He’s not an Andrew Luck, but he’s a unique
intelligent, gamer.I would not make the statement, “they win because
of defense and a running game.”
I think that kinda ignores Wilson’s skills.
I’d say they win because of Defense, running game, and
the decision-making of Russell Wilson.
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vI would disgree, but maybe not in the way you expect. First, yeah Softli was emphatic about Wilson very early on and called it perfectly.
BUT IMO you could put up to a dozen and a half qbs on that team, have them run the same offense, and they would do as well or better.
So I think you over-value him…but just by a bit. I am not in the “Wilson suxx” camp.
It’s like I said though. Put Luck on the Seahawks and they are a freaking dynasty, NOW. Put Wilson on the Colts and both he and they struggle a lot more than they did. Obviously that’s just an opinion, but I like putting it that way.
Who are the many other qbs, who in my mind could qb the 2013 Seahawks with the same results or better? (“Better” probably just meaning they pass more and so the passing attack is a bigger part of their game.)
Alphabetical order –>
Bradford
Brady
Brees
Cutler
Flacco
Foles
Griffen3
Kaepernick
Luck
Manning, E
Manning, P
McNown
Newton
Palmer
Rivers
Rodgers
Roethlisberger
Romo
Ryan
Smith, Alex
Stafford..
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ModeratorI doubt Johnson is even remotely in the cards for the Rams. He would be about about an 11 M cap hit, and that’s just for this year. Rams can’t afford a 11 M cap hit without heavy roster reduction.
http://overthecap.com/cap.php?Name=Andre%20Johnson&Position=WR&Team=Texans
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ModeratorI mean, that’s what a play-action passing game is! It depends on a relationship between running and passing that stresses defenses. …Sam offers the difference between a nice running game last year and a nice running game combined with a nice play action passing game yielding something special.
I quote this again. This is the key. If his 2013 performance is any indication, Bradford already IS a good play action qb. If you want highlights vids of SB, you keep seeing the play action. He’s suited for it, he has a knack for it.
PFF numbers back that up (as many already know). Now the thing about PFF grades is that sometimes they’re iffy (particularly grading OL). BUT this one is easy. They simply break down the play action throws by different qbs and do ordinary stats on them (completion percentage, and so on).
Although only 19% of SB’s attempts were play action in 2013, he had a 65.6% completion percentage (9th in the league). His YPA was 9.7 (7th in the league). His qb rating in play action was 111.5 (7th).
BTW, his percentage of attempts was down from 2012 (21.3%, ranked 14th). But his completion percentage was up over 2012 (58.6%)…as was his YPA (8.5, 18th), as was his qb rating (101.5, 18th).
So I personally don’t predict Bradford will break out…I think he will continue to be good. Maybe the national perception of him will change as a result, but I just think he was already pretty good and will stay good.
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July 11, 2014 at 12:49 am in reply to: the archive: 4 articles from 2006/7 on the collapse of Wms' 2006 Washington D #1445zn
ModeratorOriginally these articles went up because there were some questions about whether Wms could sustain a defense, or if he burned players out.
In 2003, before he got there, the Washington D was ranked 25th. While he was there they were ranked as follows:
2004: 3rd
2005: 9th
2006: 31st
2007: 8thAll the above articles try to figure out what happened in 2006. The story gets muddied because one player at least turned against him and complained, though anonymoustly. The player was assumed to be Adam Archuletta.
It was a variety of things, but I don’t think the articles support the “players burn out on him” narrative. The most dramatic thing I could see was that he changed personnel between 05 and 06 and made a lot of poor choices with the replacements. There’s other stuff there too but that to me looked like a key thing.
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ModeratorYoung has told people close to him that his thumb was fine and he could have returned to the game, a source who spoke with the quarterback after the loss told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter. The source also said that Young doesn’t think he needs surgery on the thumb.
According to the source, Young was upset that Fisher didn’t believe in him and didn’t put him back in the game when the quarterback felt he was healthy enough to play.
Titans place Vince Young on IR
November 23, 2010
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5839537
NASHVILLE, Tenn. — Tennessee Titans coach Jeff Fisher said Vince Young needs season-ending surgery on his throwing hand. Not that being healthy would have kept the quarterback in the Titans’ starting lineup.
The team is placing Young on injured reserve within the next few days, but after his latest meltdown — throwing his pads into the stands — Fisher said Young wouldn’t have started Sunday against Houston anyway.
Young saw a hand specialist Monday, and Fisher said team doctors recommended the surgery to repair Young’s torn flexor tendon in his right thumb. Young was injured late in the third quarter of Sunday’s 19-16 overtime loss to Washington.
Fisher said he didn’t know — and didn’t sound as though he cared — if Young will get an outside opinion.
“He may want to get a second opinion. He may want to get two dozen opinions. Our doctor said for his position, it needs to be fixed,” Fisher said.
Rusty Smith, No. 2 on the depth chart on Sunday, replaced Young in the game and Fisher said the rookie will start against Houston. Smith is a sixth-round pick out of Florida Atlantic, and the Titans are bringing in Chris Simms to back up Smith. Kerry Collins is the No. 3 quarterback for now, but is expected to start once his strained left calf heals enough for him to play.
After tossing his pads, Young had a heated exchange with Fisher in the locker room following the loss, then bolted the stadium.
Asked Monday if he was tempted to release Young, Fisher said no.
“He’s got an injury. We put him on injured reserve,” Fisher said.
The Tennessean reported Monday that owner Bud Adams had talked to Fisher and Young and told them to “get this thing settled” and work together. Adams said Young told him he wanted to return to the game, and the 87-year-old owner isn’t going to release the No. 3 overall pick in the 2006 draft.
“Oh, God, yeah. He is under contract. I wouldn’t want to let him go. We are going to pay him a lot of money,” Adams told the paper. Young is due to receive $8.5 million in 2011.
Fisher, whose contract also runs through 2011, said team officials discussed Young’s injury and the need for surgery in a conference call with Adams. But Fisher hasn’t talked to Young since he stormed out of the stadium. He informed Young’s agent, Tom Condon, that the quarterback was being put on injured reserve.
“My focus is on this football team. He’s not going to play anymore games for us this year because of the injury. We can deal with all that when the season is over,” Fisher said, referring to trying to repair the relationship with Young.
That may not be possible.
“It was just an awkward situation,” Young told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter in a phone conversation. “I just want to play football. I want to win games. I want to go to the Super Bowl. That’s it.”
Fisher said Young didn’t tell him, the offensive coordinator or the quarterbacks coach that he wanted to return and could play with the injury.
Randy Moss was open a few times against the Redskins, and Fisher said Young had some incorrect reads — rare public criticism of a player by the coach. Once injured, Fisher noted Young sailed one pass into the kicking net as he tried to test his heavily taped thumb.
“If I thought Vince could go out and give us the best chance to win, then he would’ve gone back on the field,” Fisher said. “I was not going to put him on the field, knowing ahead of time he had an injury that would prohibit him from throwing accurately.”
Fisher said he isn’t worried that being challenged by Young after the game will have any impact on his control of the locker room. Even with three straight losses, Tennessee is only a game back of Jacksonville (6-4) and Indianapolis (6-4) in the AFC South with five divisional games down the stretch.
“That issue’s over with. I discussed it with the team,” Fisher said. “We’re coming back ready to work on Wednesday.”
Asked if frustration had been building with Young, Fisher said no.
“All I’ve done here since Vince has walked through the door is try to help him be to the best player he can be and stood behind him and defended him from the get-go, so there’s no frustration,” Fisher said.
Fisher, in his 16th season, is the longest tenured coach in the NFL and has a no-nonsense reputation. But Young is the player Adams essentially watched grow up in Houston, where the owner stayed when his team relocated to Nashville. Adams declared after grabbing Young in the 2006 draft that “VY is my guy.”
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ModeratorDunno who that avatar face is, btw.
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ModeratorRamBill
Which QB’s Are Entering Pivotal Seasons? Brian Baldinger and Shaun O’Hara talk QB’s, including Rams QB Sam Bradford.
Watch QB’s Discussion
http://www.rams-news.com/which-qbs-are-entering-pivotal-seasons-video/
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Curtis Conway answers a question about each NFC West team in his version of NFC West Summer School. The Rams question: Is Sam Bradford the long term solution for the Rams? (5:29)
http://www.rams-news.com/is-sam-bradford-the-long-term-solution-for-the-rams-video/
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