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    Snapshots From Camp – Jul 31 2015

    To see the pics, go here —>
    http://www.realramsfans.com/viewtopic.php?t=86789

    Football is back!

    Day one of camp proved to be a scorcher. The humidity wasn’t terrible, thankfully. Still you could see the guys were a little conscious of possible cramping. The crowd turnout was pretty good, though noticeable was the lack of anyone under the season ticket holder tent..

    – Tavon Austin is wearing #1 in camp this year.

    Gregg Williams. Allegedly.

    – Am I the only one that thinks that DC Gregg Williams is in the witness relocation program or something? His hairstyle and beard/patch/fu manchu/biker goatee change so often that I start to wonder if they’re all just disguises and if one day I’ll look at him and see Jaqen H’ghar standing there wishing my valor some morghulis.

    – Not a lot happening early on in running scrimmage. Some late breaks on the draw game with Tre Mason flying off left guard for a long gainer.

    – Seemed like a lot of attention being paid to WR’s blocking on the edges.

    – Foles predictably had some trouble with hitches and timing routes. Pretty much something I’d expect on a day one with a group of receivers he’s only worked with in OTAs

    ..

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    IMO … this is a good one.

    Quick didn’t used to be a good interview. He’s getting there.

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    from Scout Picks Packers-Patriots Super Bowl, Breaks Down Every Team

    By Mike Freeman

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/…rs-patriots-super-bowl-breaks-down-every-team

    Arizona Cardinals: “With Carson Palmer back, they have a really good shot at unseating the Seahawks in the division. They’re the only team that can do it because of their quarterback play. They also have the defense to slow down that running game. But I think [there’s a] good chance they win the division this year.”

    San Francisco 49ers: “I know Jim [Harbaugh] could be a pain in the ass. He’s an odd guy. Really bright guy also. One of the smartest in all of football. The 49ers won’t be [the] same without him. That whole situation could implode pretty quickly.”

    Seattle Seahawks: “I’m not convinced the addition of Jimmy Graham will transform that offense the way so many people seem to believe. The Saints always threw the football. The Seahawks won’t do that. They’ll still give it to Marshawn [Lynch]. They’ll use Graham to loosen up things for Marshawn, not the other way around. I also think we’re going to see just how good a coach Pete Carroll really is. He has [the] toughest job in the sport next year. Getting the team to recover from that Super Bowl loss will not be easy. I don’t care how talented they are.”

    St. Louis Rams: “I think Nick Fairley will be good, if not really good. I know him. He has pride and doesn’t want to be known as a bust. That’s also a very professional locker room he’s going to. I don’t think the one in Detroit had as many true pros when Nick played there. Big problem for the Rams is that offense. It will be one of the bottom five in football.”

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    vid link, includes highlights

    KTVI – Nick Foles took part in his first day of training camp with the Rams.

    http://fox2now.com/2015/07/31/foles-rams-discuss-contract-extension/

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    One-On-One with Isaiah Battle

    Watch reporter Dani Klupenger chat with rookie tackle Isaiah Battle about his first NFL Training Camp and his newborn baby

    http://www.stlouisrams.com/videos/videos/One-On-One-with-Isaiah-Battle/3c8ca789-84b4-49ea-81e0-3619f7f216c5

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    #RamsCamp Wired: Stedman Bailey

    Check out wide receiver Stedman Bailey mic’d up the first day of Training Camp.

    http://www.stlouisrams.com/videos/videos/RamsCamp-Wired-Stedman-Bailey/55e668df-ea98-4a6d-b7bb-a2eed7450f66

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    This was the least tricky practice I’ve ever seen, though THANKFULLY, no inside handoffs to 170-pound RBs. Lots of play action, pretty even run distribution (end vs. middle), lots and lots of short passes. Based on today, the plan again this year is for a lot of 16-play scoring drives.

    IMO. We are getting all sorts of hints that this is exactly what we will see a lot. Ball control passing/lots of running/ setting up some shots.

    Foles is actually a good rhythm/short game passer. Last year Foles, as everyone knows, was not as stellar overall as he was in 2013, but where he did do well was throwing the ball in under 2.6 seconds. He had a 73.5% completion percentage when he threw quickly, which was 6th out of 39 qbs, and a qb rating of 103.5, which was 11th.

    Everyone talks about Foles being able to get out of trouble and look downfield, but actually, he is generally a worse qb overall when he does that. When he has the ball for more than 2.6 seconds, his completion percentage in 2014 was 46.4%, which was 38th out of 39. His qb rating fell to 59.4, which was 37th out of 39. Only Blake Bortles and Josh McCown were
    worse.

    He was also sacked at a much higher rate on passes that took more time. On quicker passes, his sack percentage was 0.6%. On the passes with more time, it goes to 4.2%. 4.2% isn’t bad at all but it’s 7 times as bad as 0.6%.

    So, to me, with a young line, a re-invigorated emphasis on the run, a new qb, and a new coordinator, it makes sense that they would put Foles in a position where he has actually done very well before—throwing a load of quick ball control passes.

    Plus of course there’s an emphasis on defense, so in effect you don’t really get long drives, what you get is field position wars. 8 plays, punt. Defense. Opposing punt. Shorter field.

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    Basically this is just all from the press conference so I put it here.

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    Practice Report 7/31: Training Camp Begins

    Myles Simmons

    View: http://www.stlouisrams.com/news-and-events/article-practicereport/Practice-Report-731-Training-Camp-Begins/3e39fbc5-c94b-45e7-8f88-88a4f53cc86c

    Football is back at Rams Park, as the team began training camp on a sunny Friday afternoon in Earth City.

    With plenty of fans in attendance, St. Louis practiced without pads, as is customary for the team’s acclimation period over its first few sessions. And head coach Jeff Fisher said he was especially impressed at the way the players passed their conditioning tests earlier in the week.

    “As long as I have been here this is the best we’ve had. From the weigh-in, from the conditioning test — guys have really worked hard during the summer,” Fisher said. “Overall, big picture, very pleased with the condition, and the athleticism, and the energy of this football team. They’re very excited to get back.”

    But Fisher said the real enthusiasm comes once the team starts practicing in pads.

    “It doesn’t feel like today was the first day of camp,” Fisher said. “But the first day of camp really, I think, it takes shape when you see the guys walk out with pads on. Because this is pretty much a repeat of OTAs that we’ve done from installation standpoint.”

    As for the goals of camp, Fisher said that the team is keeping things general for the time being.

    “There’s just, ‘Let’s get better each day,’” the head coach said. “It’s go out and have fun, enjoy your time together, listen, pay attention and just get better each day. It’s kind of simple here for the next 10 days.”

    ON THE QUARTERBACK

    According to Fisher, Nick Foles had a good day for his first training camp practice as a Ram.

    “It is usually the first couple days of camp you tip your hat towards the defensive side. They usually have the advantage,” Fisher said. “That wasn’t the case today. Nick did a nice job.”

    “I felt like it was good,” Foles said. “I mean there’s always — I’d like to hit every pass. That’s my goal every day. You strive for perfection. There’s things we’ll work on, but I felt like for the first day it was the right direction. So tomorrow we just need it to be a little better.”

    Fisher added that the team is continuing discussions with Foles on a possible contract extension.

    “We are talking with a number of our players right now and their representatives,” Fisher said. “I’m really not involved with it other than that I would like to see us get something worked out at some point with him.”

    As for Foles himself, the quarterback said he’s remaining focused on getting better each day in practice.

    “That’s why you hire agents because my thing here is to be with these guys, to be a player, to be their quarterback,” Foles said. “We have to win games. We hire agents so that clears the clutter out of our brain, and you know I trust them to do the job.”

    ON THE OFFENSIVE LINE

    It’s well known by now that the Rams are prepping young offensive linemen to begin the season as starters. And Fisher said Rob Havenstein and Jamon Brown have been steadily improving up front.

    “Well again, in no pads, I think Rob’s technique is getting better. ‘JB’ is doing the same,” Fisher said. “And I have no reservation whatsoever, when we line up for the opener, playing rookie offensive linemen. They’re going to get plenty of reps. And they’re the best that we’ll put on the field. So we’ve got confidence.”

    Plus, Fisher said that the young linemen have been earning endorsements from veteran D-linemen like Chris Long and Will Hayes.

    “They’re saying, ‘These guys are going to be good,’” Fisher said. “Coming from Chris and Will and those guys, that’s pretty impressive.”

    GURLEY’S HEALTH

    Todd Gurley participated in positional drills on Friday, a significant development in the running back’s rehab process.

    “I’m just glad to be out here and just being with the guys and starting camp again,” Gurley said.

    Fisher said he wanted to keep the running back off of the Physically Unable to Perform list to give him a chance to practice with his teammates.

    “We just felt, in fairness to him, the PUP thing — it just didn’t make sense because he was going to stand there and watch,” Fisher said. “We want to build him. We want to add individual reps. We want him to be able to practice.”

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    Healthy again, Rams’ McDonald eager to become leader on defense

    By Joe Lyons

    http://www.chatsports.com/st-louis-rams/a/Healthy-again-Rams-McDonald-eager-to-become-leader-on-defense-0-11631391

    After sitting out organized team activities (OTAs) in the spring with what he described as an injury “that lingered from last season,” Rams strong safety T.J. McDonald was back where he belonged Friday as the team opened training camp at Rams Park.

    “It just felt good to be back out there with the guys, good to be back on the field and working to get back in the groove,’’ the 24-year-old said. “You never want to miss practice because every rep is important, but the key is to be ready when it counts. I feel like we took the right steps during OTAs and I felt good out there today.”

    A third-round draft pick in 2013 out of USC, McDonald started 10 games as a rookie, missing six weeks at midseason with a broken leg. A year ago, he started all 16 games and led the secondary with 136 tackles. He also had two sacks, an interception and a fumble recovery. Missing OTAs, he said, was tough, but he tried to make the most of it.

    “I love to play this game,’’ McDonald said. “I never like to sit out, but at least I was able to take mental reps, to learn and to help coach up some of the other guys.”

    McDonald, who stands 6 feet 2 and weighs 217 pounds, is excited about the Rams’ defense and his expanding role.

    “The big thing for me is technique, to make sure I’m doing what needs to be done with no wasted movements,” he said. “I need to improve in coverage and my communication. I want to be a leader for this defense, a guy that can be counted on.

    “We know there’s still a lot of work to put in, but we’re definitely excited about this team and especially the defense.”

    McGEE HEALTHY AGAIN

    Chosen in the fifth round of the 2013 draft, cornerback Brandon McGee played in 15 games and showed some promise, mainly on special teams, as a rookie. But a foot injury basically cost him his sophomore campaign.“It’s part of the game, but it’s definitely frustrating because you know what you’re capable of,” said McGee, 24, after being limited to just two games a year ago. “I think we all believe in ourselves to the highest level. We’re all confident in our abilities. That’s really all I want is to get out there and get a chance to showcase my talents.”The University of Miami product said mental reps allowed him to appreciate the game from a different perspective, but …

    “There’s nothing like being out on the field and making plays, making mistakes and learning from those mistakes,” he said.

    The Rams have added significant secondary depth in recent seasons, a fact that McGee is keenly aware of.

    “Every day you come to practice you have to be ready to compete,” the 5-foot-11, 193-pound McGee said. “The best ability is availability. This is a great defense and I want to be a part of it. For me, the key is staying healthy and giving myself an opportunity to play the type of football I know I’m capable of.”

    RAM-BLINGS

    • A decent crowd of 1,181 witnessed the Rams’ first training camp workout in Earth City. Last year’s first workout, also on a Friday, drew 1,484.Both the Saturday (3:30 p.m. start) and Sunday (5:30 p.m. start) workouts are also free and open to the public.A sign spotted in the crowd Friday: “Don’t Do It Stan.”

    • Quarterback Nick Foles, acquired in an offseason trade with Philadelphia, received the majority of reps and looked solid during Friday’s workout. Lots of high-percentage screen passes were thrown, but Foles also hooked up with tight end Jared Cook on a nice touch pass down the seam.

    Foles’ father, Larry, flew in from Austin, Texas, to watch Friday’s workout.

    • RB Todd Gurley, selected with the No. 10 overall pick in the spring’s draft, did some work in individual drills and said he’s excited about taking part in football activities again. He said there’s no timetable for his full return.

    • Rookie guard Cody Wichmann, a sixth-round draft pick from Fresno State, is on the physically unable to perform (PUP) list with a calf injury. Coach Jeff Fisher said he’s expected to be back at practice in the next seven to 10 days. Defensive end Chris Long did not practice Friday because of stiffness in his back. Safety Mark Barron (knee) did some work on the side with trainers.

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    So I take it you don’t believe in accidental self-acupuncture either.

    Okay. Well I guess there’s always skeptics.

    in reply to: Bobby Wagner: "Can't keep everyone" … Seattle & the cap #27843
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    Pete Carroll still hopeful for deal with Bobby Wagner

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/07/31/pete-carroll-still-hopeful-for-deal-with-bobby-wagner/

    GLENDALE, AZ – Russell Wilson received a shining new contract from the Seattle Seahawks on Friday. Meanwhile, fellow 2012 draft pick Bobby Wagner continues to wait for one of his own.

    While Wilson’s contract eats up a sizable portion of Seattle’s remaining salary cap for this season, head coach Pete Carroll was adamant that it doesn’t preclude the Seahawks from signing Wagner to an extension as well.

    “We’re still working, got big stuff to do today. We’re still working. We’re not finished, in case you were wondering,” Carroll said.

    “We’re on it. Whoever thought that we were done with that thing that was not right. We’re on it and we’re going to keep competing to get that done. We have planned for this for a long time and nothing has changed in all that. Our guys are working at it by the hour here.”

    Wagner expressed support for Wilson in his new contract, saying he was “proud and happy” for Wilson. However, Wagner appeared sufficiently upset that he was still without a new deal himself.

    “It could be done, it could not be done. When I have something to sign than it will be done,” Wagner said.

    Wilson and agent Mark Rodgers set a Friday deadline for negotiations for his new deal. Does Wagner have a deadline of his own in mind?

    “Now. That’s my deadline,” he said.

    Per the NFLPA, the Seahawks had $9.2 million in cap space before Wilson’s contract was done. Wilson’s new deal lowers Seattle’s cap room to just under $4 million. That alone could be enough to get a deal done with Wagner.

    However, the salary cap is only calculated off the Top 51 contracts in the offseason. In-season, it counts all 53 active roster players, practice squad, injured reserve, PUP/NFI, etc. So effectively, the Seahawks don’t have that much usable cap space.

    If Seattle were to get Wagner done, it could necessitate the need to part with other veteran players to get under the salary cap before Week 1.

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    Miklasz: Potential move is buzzkill at Rams camp

    By Bernie Miklasz

    http://www.stltoday.com/sports/columns/bernie-miklasz/miklasz-potential-move-is-buzzkill-at-rams-camp/article_c4fb231e-3fcb-500b-aee6-838f23d3c627.html

    The Rams have opened their training camp, and they’re hard at work, preparing for the season, trying to improve and doing their best to block out the noise.

    In some ways, this will be business as usual. Coaches teaching. Players learning. Team meetings. Polishing fundamentals in the summer heat. Going through repetitions, and fine-tuning their knowledge of the offense and defense.

    In other ways, this is a most unusual training camp — a strange way to begin a strange season. No one knows where the Rams will be practicing and training a year from now. They could be in Los Angeles. They could set up, like normal, in Earth City.

    And if Rams owner Stan Kroenke gets his way, this will be the team’s final training camp in St. Louis. And for many fans, it’s becoming increasingly difficult to embrace the team they love. When you aren’t sure if the team will run away from you, the natural reaction is to hold back, stay at a safe distance and try to minimize the pain inside.

    When an emotional connection between a fan and team is being frayed and gradually severed by feelings of uncertainty, fear and betrayal, it’s excruciatingly difficult to put on a front, feign enthusiasm and pretend that everything is normal.

    Is this any way to begin the ritual of getting ready for some football? Something already has been taken away — the happy anticipation of the coming season — and that stinks.

    The fans deserve better. But I have empathy for the players, the coaches, and the Rams’ front office. Coach Jeff Fisher and GM Les Snead don’t ask for pity, but I sympathize with them, too.

    I feel bad for everyone, really, including the non-football employees who have to market the product, sell the tickets and generate a positive vibe.

    And I feel lousy because none of these people is named Stan Kroenke. They just work for Kroenke, but he’s not around. The people who keep the Rams organization going are still here, wanting to do a great job. But they’ll endure the fallout, dealing with the inevitable repercussions that surface when a fan base is agitated and alienated.

    The Rams just want what every NFL team has right now: a fired-up fan base, amped to support them, and filled with optimism. Training camp is supposed to a time of building. Precious weeks that not only strengthen a squad of football players but reinforce the bond between a franchise and a community.

    The Rams haven’t posted a winning record since 2003, or made the playoffs since 2004. Now in their fourth year in charge of the Rams football operation, Snead and Fisher are setting out in search of their first winning season.

    They’ve made significant progress, reconstructing the roster and positioning the Rams for a brighter future. But the problem is away from the field, with the future of the franchise placed on hold.

    This is Camp Kroenke. He’s not here, but his presence will be felt.

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    Thanks Mike. Good to see you in action.

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    My thing is, I don;t have a REAL feel for Foles yet. I have to see him play. Right now he’s too “on paper” for me. I felt the same way about Bradford before the 2010 season.

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    #RamsCamp Practice Report: Day 1

    Rams Insider Myles Simmons talks about Todd Gurley practicing on Day 1 of Training Camp.

    http://www.stlouisrams.com/videos/videos/RamsCamp-Practice-Report-Day-1/f55a3e12-921b-4909-b1cd-00a9b7510373

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    From Fisher. Some good things to hear. Yeah it’s early yeah it’s coach speak to an extent but still.

    (On if the players have always came in such good shape in his time as head coach for the Rams)
    “I told them yesterday that this has been by far, from a results stand point it’s been the best since we’ve been here. When you talk about weight, when you talk about offseason improvement and then you talk about a conditioning level and a conditioning test that they blew away; as the rookies did as well.

    (On how much of a luxury it is having everyone back on defense)
    “Well, we do. We got the 11, but we also got some great competition at the backup spots, so we’ve got some depth. So, when you look at (S) Maurice (Alexander), for example, who’s just a tremendous surprise. You’re okay with him playing safety if you have a problem.

    (On RB Todd Gurley)
    We’re not going to take any chances or any risks or subject him to any danger. But, you can kind of read the tea leaves there. We feel like he’s ahead of schedule and he’s a tremendous athlete, and this is going to give him a chance to know the offense inside and out.

    (On the young offensive line)
    Just in talking with the defensive lineman, obviously we have a veteran group of defensive lineman, they’re saying, ‘These guys are going to be good.’ Coming from (DE) Chris (Long) and (DE) Will (Hayes) and those guys, that’s pretty impressive.”

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    Jim Thomas ‏@jthom1

    Jeff Fisher liked what he saw on Day 1, had some praise for undrafted rookie DE Martin Ifedi of Memphis.

    Safety Mark Barron, still coming back from a knee injury in the spring, worked on the side.

    And rookie OL Cody Wichmann (calf) who begins camp on PUP list, is expected to miss first 7 to 10 days of practice.

    Chris Long doesn’t practice because of some tightness in his back.

    Pretty good crowd at first practice of training camp; we’ll have head count in a bit. One sign in the stands: Don’t Do It Stan.

    Otherwise, everybody else practiced. QB Nick Foles threw the ball pretty well. Brushed off questions about his contract, saying he’s. . . . .leaving that up to his agent.. .

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    Myles Simmons ‏@MylesASimmons

    Gurley said he was feeling comfortable on his knee making lateral cuts, wasn’t thinking about it as much. To my eyes, looked like it, too.

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    Nick Wagoner ‏@nwagoner

    #Rams off the practice field Friday night. Coach Jeff Fisher pleased with work today. Team going through acclimation period, pads on Monday.

    One cool note: Bud Sasser is guest of the team this weekend, checking things out, observing various jobs. A job with team his if he wants.

    QOTD-Fisher: “I failed them from the standpoint of I talked to them about wave runners, 4-wheelers, forgot to talk to them about fireworks.”

    A small new thing at practice: #Rams had music playing on the field during individual drills. They’ve dabbled in past but not like Friday.

    #Rams RB Todd Gurley did some individual drills. Says he’s excited to be doing football activities again. No timetable for full return.

    Should add that S Mark Barron also did not practice. Did some work on the side, Fisher said he’s a few days away from a return.

    Fisher said #Rams DE Chris Long had some back tightness. He was held out of practice today. OL Cody Wichmann (PUP) only other not involved.

    in reply to: Jim Fadler walks into camp… + Jimi, tweets from camp #27822
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    Jim Fadler ‏@jimiramsboy

    Stretching and warming up start Barrett Jones actually has a helmet

    Oline fittingly by itself on my right looking for GRob?

    Starting Oline just coming out GRob looks noticeably lighter

    If anything now that I get a closer look at GRob I understated how much trimmer he looks

    Special teams practice with the hero coach Fassel

    And just when I had honestly forgotten about Pead my son pointed him out in the pursuit drills

    Todd Gurley on the side with a coach doing agility drills

    Gurley headed off to the trainers area now

    Janoris non tweeter actually looked good as a gunner on a punt drill

    More limbering up work now some kick returners Givens among them on the other side

    Tre Mason doing some special teams work

    coach Fisher once again has on long sleeves in the STL summer sun

    Gurley

    Gurley in all of the Back drills so far

    Position drills the running backs are closest to me I did see Brian Quck with Bailey and Britt

    Oline doing some “hit the pads” drills away from me

    QB’s join the RB’s Gurley’s burst and quicks stand out

    QB’s throwing to receivers now. Keenum gets good extension. Gurley acquits himself well in pass pro drills

    Trey Watts did a great job on pass pro, rookie named Terrence Franks woeful

    Isiah Battle looks the part of a pro RT

    Receivers doing a close order drill slalom drill around 6 trash cans turn a corner, catch a pass, turn a corner another pass

    It looks like 7 on 7 time and Oline vs DLine

    Quinn is wearing #2 for some reason. Havenstein got beat badly to the inside and then turned his man the next

    Jamon Brown looked extremely good including one rep vs Fairley. Timmy Barnes getting manhandled

    Saffold and Donald great match up. GRob countered an inside spin move by Quinn

    Took a break and watched the 7 on 7. Foles with a really nice deep out to Britt dropped over the defense

    Brockers getting the best of Jones for the most part Brandon Washington getting destroyed

    Single most impressive rookie on the Oline was Jamon Brown. I thought GRob looked very good

    11 on 11 Tre Mason opens at RB

    It looks like Chris Long is sitting out today and Tavon has on #1

    On deep balls Foles throws awfully flat off his ear

    Austin Davis and Trey Watts running with the 2’s

    Jacob Hagen a rookie undrafted from Liberty worth watching

    Foles hits Cook for a TD down the seam. This pass was perfect good arm extension and loft

    Lots of play action and QB rolls so far I assume signs of the future

    On a deep fly pattern either the ball slipped from Keenum or Tebow is in town

    Mannion looks solid so far doing extremely well on crossing patterns

    Ayers with the 1’s on defense

    Two minute drill now Tavon drops one

    Havenstein not having the best of debuts. Givens half asses a deep pass

    And Case Keenum is not having the best of days either

    Isiah Pead looks the part, acts the part, should be the part and somehow never is the part

    Rams have a 6:05 very fast undrafted rookie named isiah Ferguson WR who has caught my eye

    Sean Mannion continues to be nails on crossing routes to a Clemson rookie named Daniel Rodriguez

    Greg the Leg finally nails the tower guy…dead center

    Rams skimped on camp legs this year and have punter kicker named Palardy

    Back to 11 on 11 with Foles and Mason. Maurice Alexander getting some reps with the starters

    Timmy Barnes getting the start at center today doubt he can hold it

    Givens redeems some of it with A nice sliding grab across the middle

    I really like most of what I have seen from Sean Mannion today.

    The kid safety I mentioned earlier Hagen with a pick off a deflection

    This is the kind of stuff I look for. While the rest are down at Rookie 7 on 7, Brian Quck and Rhaney working with the other 3 QB’s

    Cignetti walks down and the post stretching begins heading home now

    Brockers and Quinn

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CLRtYjmUcAAP-it.jpg

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    Same pic, bigger, fwiw

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    That is what it is. I just skipped the turf times page and went directly to the twitter thing.

    Oh.

    I thought it was 2 things.

    Okay. Thanks.

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    Here’s another at turf show times.

    St. Louis Rams Training Camp Live Updates, 7/31

    Scroll down for it

    http://www.turfshowtimes.com/2015/7/31/9076713/st-louis-rams-training-camp-live-updates-7-31

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    in reply to: Bobby Wagner: "Can't keep everyone" … Seattle & the cap #27797
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    What does Wilson’s deal mean for the Rams?

    In terms of Foles, it used to be that starting qbs up for their 2nd contract were getting around 18 M on avg., with the low end being 16 M and the high end being 20 M.

    Maybe Wilson is raising the avg. He’s just under 22 M a year.

    Maybe now the avg. is 19 M with the low end/high end being 17-21+.

    If Foles signs for less that that range, IMO, it would be because he has accepted the early extension discount.

    If not, any deal would likely be in the 16-18 M range.

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    Russell Wilson and the Seahawks have agreed to a 4-year, $87.6-million extension, per source.

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    White support for the Confederate flag really is about racism, not Southern heritage

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/monkey-cage/wp/2015/07/01/white-support-for-the-confederate-flag-really-is-about-racism-not-southern-heritage/

    Much of the discussion revolves around the question of whether the flag represents “heritage or hatred” (see, for example, here, here, and here). Drawing on rare survey data on this subject, we can shed light on this question. We find that white Southerners who support the Confederate flag are actually less knowledgeable about Southern history; no stronger in their attachments to fellow Southerners (after racial attitudes are taken into account); less tolerant of interracial dating; and more likely to deny that blacks are discriminated against in the labor market.

    Our data come from a survey of 522 white Georgians conducted by the Survey Research Laboratory at Georgia State University in 2004. This survey was designed to assess opinions about three different potential state flags that were being considered at the time: one of these flags prominently featured the Confederate battle emblem:

    Knowledge about Southern history was measured with two questions: whether the respondent could correctly identify the famous Union general, William Tecumseh Sherman, and the number of Civil War battles the respondent could name. (In our analysis, no credit was given for additional battles named after the first two.)

    The argument that respect for Southern heritage drives white support for the Confederate flag might lead one to think that flag supporters would be more knowledgeable about Southern history. We found exactly the opposite: whites with more knowledge about Civil War history are actually less supportive of the state flag prominently featuring the Confederate battle emblem:

    Of those whites who got all three answers correct (identified Sherman and correctly and named two Civil War battles), only 34 percent preferred the state flag with the Confederate battle emblem. Of those who got zero answers correct, 73 percent preferred the state flag with the Confederate battle emblem. Furthermore, this relationship is present even when we statistically control for markers of social class such as income and education. White supporters of the Confederate battle emblem are distinguished not by their knowledge of Southern history but rather their ignorance of it.

    Of course, it is possible that one could feel an affiliation for the South without knowing much about the Civil War. We therefore also examined whether those whites who say they “feel close to Southerners” are more likely to support the Confederate flag. This question is tricky, though, because such whites are also disproportionately likely to express unfavorable attitudes toward blacks. After taking account of racial attitudes, we found no meaningful relationship between feelings of closeness to Southerners and support for the Confederate battle emblem.

    In contrast, attitudes toward blacks were strongly associated with support for the Confederate flag. Among those whites who say they would object if their child dated someone of a different race, preference for the Confederate battle emblem is a full 20 percentage points higher than it is among those whites who would not object:

    Similarly, among whites who do not believe that blacks are discriminated against in the labor market, support for the Confederate flag is 30 percentage points higher than it is among those whites who believe there is continuing racial discrimination.

    Of course, this survey is now over 10 years old. It is possible, though in our view improbable, that the factors affecting support for the Confederate flag have changed significantly.

    Moreover, none of the above shows that the Confederate flag only represents racial intolerance. No doubt there are some whites who favor the Confederate flag for reasons that are not wholly reducible to racial intolerance.

    But the results do suggest that in general, white support for the flag is associated not with a deep knowledge of Southern history or a kinship with Southerners, but with racism — that is, not with heritage but with hatred.

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    Ten questions as Rams open training camp

    By Jim Thomas

    http://www.stltoday.com/sports/football/professional/ten-questions-as-rams-open-training-camp/article_751cd515-9e4d-5e52-91ea-e352e481d279.html

    The Rams open training camp Friday with a new quarterback, a new offensive coordinator, and lots of new offensive linemen. By the end of the 2015 season, they may have a new address.

    The defense, which returns intact, could be dominant. Both the head coach, Jeff Fisher, and general manager Les Snead feel this not only is the best Rams team they’ve had to work with but also a team that can legitimately compete for a playoff berth.

    There are always questions surrounding every NFL team this time of year, and the Rams have their share. We pose 10 questions facing the 2015 Rams as they enter their 21st — and possibly last — season in St. Louis.

    1. IS FOLES THE ANSWER?

    In the midst of a contract dispute the Rams finally gave up on oft-injured Sam Bradford, shipping him to Philadelphia in March for Nick Foles in a trade that also included an exchange of draft picks. Which Foles are the Rams getting? The guy who threw 27 TD passes and a mere two interceptions en route to a Pro Bowl season in 2013? Or the so-so performer of a year ago who missed half the 2014 season with a broken collarbone? With only 24 starts, or the equivalent of 1 ½ seasons, it’s a small sample size. Learning the playbook and getting to know his teammates is the first order of business.

    2. WILL YOUTH BE SERVED ON THE OFFENSIVE LINE?The Rams opened the 2014 season with a combined 366 career regular-season starts among their five O-line starters. Or an average of 73 starts per man. This year the Rams could easily open with just 72 career starts on their entire starting line. There could be an all-rookie right side of Rob Havenstein at right tackle and Jamon Brown at right guard. At center, Barrett Jones, Tim Barnes, and Demetrius Rhaney are all in the mix for the starting spot. Only Barnes has any starting experience among that trio, and we’re talking about only four starts in his case. This unit must grow up quickly.

    3. WHEN IS IT TODD’S TIME?

    The good news earlier in the week was that rookie RB Todd Gurley passed his conditioning test and begins training camp on the active roster. Just how much Gurley will contribute early in the season remains to be seen as he finishes off his rehab from knee surgery as a Georgia Bulldog. Look for the Rams to ease Gurley back into action, and it’s still questionable if he’ll play in the opener. There could be setbacks along the way, and players coming off ACL repairs frequently are better in their second season back. So don’t expect early-season miracles from the No. 10 overall pick.

    4. WHAT CAN WE EXPECT FROM CIGNETTI?After three seasons of Brian Schottenheimer running the offense for Jeff Fisher, former quarterbacks coach Frank Cignetti has been bumped up to the coordinator’s position. Known as Cig or Cigs to the players and coaches, Cignetti has extensive coordinator’s experience at the college level but this is his first bite of the apple in the NFL. The Rams are emphasizing simplified terminology in play-calling, and in general a streamlined playbook. No doubt, Cignetti will have tweaks and wrinkles of his own, but the overall run-oriented philosophy comes straight from the Book of Fisher.

    5. IS THERE ENOUGH AT WIDE RECEIVER?

    The Rams finally have some seasoning in their WR corps, and this is a key year career-wise for several members of the unit. Tavon Austin has had some dazzling moments in his first two seasons but hasn’t lived up to his draft status (No. 8 overall) at this point. Is this the year he becomes fully integrated into the offense and enjoys a breakout campaign? And what about late-bloomer Brian Quick? He looked to be finally reaching his potential last season and was on pace to become the franchise’s first 1,000-yard receiver since Torry Holt in 2007. Then came a season-ending shoulder injury in Game 7.

    6. CAN THE DEFENSE DOMINATE?This could be the year. In a league where personnel turnover is a way of life, all 11 starters are back on defense. That’s all but unheard of in the age of free agency. Not only that, but most of the key backups return as well. Free agent pickups Nick Fairley at defensive tackle and Akeem Ayers at outside linebacker bring even more talent to the mix. Over the final eight games of the 2014 season, the Rams were fifth in scoring defense, fourth in rushing defense, tied for fourth in sacks, and tied for sixth in takeaways. There’s no reason to think they can’t pick up where they left off.

    7. HOW ABOUT WINNING IN SEPTEMBER FOR A CHANGE?

    Slow starts have doomed the Rams in their first three seasons under Jeff Fisher. To a large degree, they’ve been out of the playoff hunt by the first frost. In all three seasons they’ve been 3-5 at midseason, and started 1-3 in 2014 and ‘13. The Rams need to reverse those numbers to win back at least some of the fans and give themselves a legitimate chance for a postseason berth. Fisher and his staff should have a better feel for what they have entering the season. And most of the young players have some seasoning. But 4 of the first 5 contests are against 2014 playoff teams, and three are on the road.

    8. FISHER’S FUTURE IN DOUBT?Another slow start could mean a fourth consecutive losing season for Jeff Fisher, and not many coaches survive such a track record. The Rams have pulled off some memorable upsets under Fisher, and after the worst five-year stretch in NFL history from 2007-2011 under Scott Linehan, Jim Haslett, and Steve Spagnuolo (15-65), Fisher has gotten the franchise back to at least the neighborhood of respectability. Does Stan Kroenke want Fisher around to lead the team’s potential transfer to Los Angeles in 2016 no matter what? Or does Fisher, whose three-year mark here is 20-27-1, need to win in 2015?

    9. WHO STAYS? WHO GOES?

    Interwoven with what happens on the field in 2015 will be the business of football. The Rams have more than a dozen players scheduled for free agency after this season, including several starters. The volume of prospective free agents is something the team hasn’t had to face during the Les Snead-Jeff Fisher regime; it’s a byproduct of all the draft picks that came via the Robert Griffin III trade and assorted spinoff deals. Obviously, it takes more than a few minutes on the phone to work out new contracts. So the more players the Rams can re-sign before the end of ‘15, the better off they are.

    10. CALIFORNIA DREAMING?No matter how much the coaches or players try to downplay it, the team’s potential relocation to Los Angeles will be the elephant in the room all season. In the big picture for the St. Louis area, it overshadows anything that will happen on the field this season. There will be key league meetings in August and October to discuss the topic, and by the end of the regular season we should have a pretty good idea of whether the Rams are staying or going. Who knows what developments will crop up before, after, and in between those league meetings? It’s difficult to imagine it not being a distraction.

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    Since 2013, Foles leads all quarterbacks with 23 touchdowns on play-action passes

    More on this, from PFF stats.

    Foles completion percentage, play action

    2014: 57.1%, ranked 33rd of 39
    2013: 58.1%, ranked 29th of 41

    He actually needs work in this area. I think a lot of us assumed he was better than he was at this the last 2 years.

    In terms of the TDs, it’s —

    2013: 14
    2014: 9

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    Ten burning Rams questions: Is Nick Foles enough to get to playoffs?

    Nick Wagoner, ESPN Staff Writer

    http://espn.go.com/blog/st-louis-rams/post/_/id/19789/ten-burning-rams-questions-is-nick-foles-enough-to-get-to-playoffs

    EARTH CITY, Mo. — Training camps around the league are either already underway or will be before the end of the week. The St. Louis Rams officially get underway on Friday.

    In the days leading up to the start of camp, we’ll take a look at 10 burning questions facing the Rams as they head toward the 2015 season.

    No. 2: Can Nick Foles be enough of an upgrade at quarterback to make the Rams contenders?

    If nothing else, the Rams’ decision to trade Sam Bradford for Foles in March injected some new life into an offense desperately in need of some. From here, comparisons between Foles and Bradford will be unavoidable as Bradford takes the reins in Philadelphia and Foles does the same in St. Louis.

    But really, for those attempting to evaluate Foles’ impact on his new team, Bradford comparisons shouldn’t be the baseline. Foles isn’t really replacing Bradford, who didn’t play a regular-season snap for the Rams after the midpoint of the 2013 season. Rather, Foles should be held up against the likes of Kellen Clemens, Austin Davis and Shaun Hill.

    In that regard, it would be a surprise if Foles doesn’t exceed the productivity of the backups that have been under center for the Rams in the past season and a half.

    The question then becomes will having Foles be enough of an upgrade — given all the other moving parts on the offense — to elevate the Rams to playoff contention?

    Assuming Foles is able to stay healthy, he should be a good fit for what the Rams expect of their quarterback in a run-heavy offense. Foles won’t be asked to carry the load for the offense by throwing 40 to 50 times a game. His primary focus will be on keeping turnovers to a minimum and taking advantage of deep ball opportunities when they arise.

    More specifically, much of what the Rams hope for from Foles will come in the play-action game. That could be an ideal match considering Foles’ success in that area. Since 2013, Foles leads all quarterbacks with 23 touchdowns on play-action passes. If Todd Gurley and the running game can get rolling, Foles should have ample opportunity to take advantage of play-action.

    In 2014, Davis and Hill each went 3-5 as the starter, combining for 3,658 yards, 20 touchdowns and 16 interceptions. The yardage and touchdown totals are probably reasonable expectations for Foles but to get the Rams into playoff contention, he’ll need to reduce the interception total by about half. Even more to the point, he’ll need to cut down on the type of back-breaking turnovers that turned into touchdowns for the defense.

    Rams quarterbacks threw six interceptions and coughed up two fumbles that were returned for touchdowns in 2014, miscues that often either proved the difference on the scoreboard or allowed a close game to get away.

    Foles’ job won’t be easy, especially with three new starters on the offensive line and a new coordinator in place but if he proves capable of taking care of the ball and offering the occasional big play in the passing game, it would go a long way toward getting the Rams back to the postseason for the first time since 2004.

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    Kam Chancellor a no-show for start of Seahawks camp

    Mike Florio

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/07/30/kam-chancellor-a-no-show-for-start-of-seahawks-camp/

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    The Legion of Boom could be a bust, at least for now.

    With safety Earl Thomas likely headed for the PUP list and cornerback Richard Sherman still a bit of a question mark after not having surgery on an elbow he dislocated in the NFC title game, safety Kam Chancellor has opted not to show up for the start of camp, due to dissatisfaction with his contract.

    Per multiple reports, Chancellor officially will be holding out.

    He’ll be subject to a fines of $30,000 per day for each day missed as he tried to get the Seahawks to enhance a contract that runs through 2017. He’s due to make $4.55 million in 2015.

    Chancellor is the lone no-show, which means that defensive end Michael Bennett has opted to report, despite dissatisfaction with a contract of his own that runs through 2017. And quarterback Russell Wilson is present and accounted for; a holdout for him was never a possibility, even though as of this posting he doesn’t have a new contract.

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    Snead believes this could be the Rams’ year

    By Jim Thomas

    http://www.stltoday.com/sports/football/professional/snead-believes-this-could-be-the-rams-year/article_0b16badf-ab07-585c-9486-3f4e1b38f712.html

    Last year at this time, Rams general manager Les Snead talked about the third year being the charm, citing examples of other rebuilding jobs in past NFL seasons around the league that clicked in Year 3.

    Well, you know the story. Quarterback Sam Bradford suffered a season-ending knee injury in the Rams’ third preseason game, and things went downhill from there. The result was a 6-10 record, the worst finish in the three years of the Jeff Fisher-Snead regime in St. Louis.

    Year 4 for that tandem is now upon us, and Snead remains as optimistic as ever.

    As Fisher told the Post-Dispatch on Wednesday, Snead told a media gathering Thursday at Rams Park that he feels the 2015 edition is the most talented of the four Fisher-Snead squads.

    “You know what? I actually do,” Snead said. “I’m not going to speak about it a ton because you’re tired of hearing about it. But you started in a pretty deep hole here.”

    That was a reference, of course, to the roster he and Fisher inherited after the 2011 season and the fact that the Rams had gone 15-65 from 2007-11.

    “But since ‘12, we’re third in win-percentage improvement, only behind Denver and Seattle,” Snead said. “It’s an interesting stat – we just started a lot lower down the hill than they did. But it has shown some progress.

    “And there’s some adversity. You didn’t plan on 25 straight (games) with your backup quarterback. You’ve gotta always overcome it. The league usually wins about 26 percent of the games with a backup QB, and in that time we won 40 percent. And we’ve done all this with a young team.”

    Those are interesting numbers. But the only numbers that matter are the wins and losses – more precisely, having more wins than losses.

    “We’re close,” Snead said. “I can feel it. . . . I anticipate us contending for the West. I’m planning on it, expecting it, and not scared.”

    The thought of facing Seattle, Arizona, and even a depleted San Francisco roster twice a year in the NFC West can be scary. But with a defense that returns basically intact, a new quarterback in Nick Foles, and a roster than can be characterized as young but seasoned, Snead feels this can be that long-elusive “over the hump” year for the Rams.

    With a healthy Foles, Snead feels the Rams can be a legit playoff contender.

    “I would anticipate that,” Snead said. “Nick’s won 63 percent of his games. . . .Once Nick became available (via trade), that made it very intriguing because the guy, he’s actually taken a team to the playoffs.”

    Snead, by the way, said contract extension talks with Foles are ongoing and that it’s “definitely realistic” to think Foles could have a new Rams contract by the end of the 2015 season.

    Switching to defense, Snead said he expects to see a dominant group.

    “They did a heck of a job last year, when they tipped and turned and got to gel,” he said, referring the second-half surge last season. “It was fun to watch. The goal is to carry that over into this year, and sooner rather than later. . . . I don’t know if I’ve been around a defense like this one.”

    The defense may have to carry the squad early in the season as Foles settles in, Todd Gurley completes his knee rehab at running back, and the ultra-young offensive line adjusts to life in the NFL.

    “You would love for them, as we gel on offense, to be the bell cow,” Snead said. “Just on paper, that would be the ideal scenario. The defense kind of pulls some weight as our offense gels, and then once they gel – let’s roll.”

    But as is the case with Fisher, Snead could feel job pressure if the team doesn’t contend in the West or make a legitimate playoff push.

    “Never think about,” Snead said. “I get what you’re saying: It’s Year 4 of your tenure. But you’re actually more jacked about it because you actually feel good about the foundation and where we’re going. It just hasn’t occurred yet.”

    With a 20-27-1 record over three seasons here, there’s no time like the present.

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    Some quotations from Snead. Taken from an article that is just Snead’s press conference typed up. I edit it down to just the quotations.

    http://www.bnd.com/sports/nfl/st-louis-rams/article29568511.html

    On Foles:.

    “The interesting thing is from the first day in all those phases, the first day you go in the building and throw with receivers and no coaches, whatever phase that may be, it seems like from that day that skill group was like ‘Wow, we love this guy,’’’ Rams General Manager Les Snead said Thursday at Rams Park. “It’s not like he had been the quarterback here for two years; you had a case of his first day at school, hello to everybody, we don’t know each other. He kind of took charge there.

    “You can tell those guys will battle, he’s done a nice job with leadership. That’s the biggest thing I can say about him. Great guy.”

    Foles’s possible extension:

    “I always put it in perspective,” said Snead, who confirmed he’s had talks with Foles and his agent about a contract extension with Foles in the final year of his current deal. “It’s one thing if you’ve been around three years and you walk in (and say) ‘Hey, let’s go.’ This guy is walking in the locker room and doesn’t know anybody and (says) ‘Hey, let’s go.’ It’s a little tougher.”’

    On the trade:

    “That’s one of the big reasons going back to Sam, it would have been hard to let Sam go and not have a replacement,” Snead said. “Because we’ve kind of lived through that. Once Nick became available, that made it very intriguing because he’s actually taken a team to the playoffs.

    “I’m not saying it’s all him, but he was part of a good organization, good team, good coaching staff, and they did what they had to do.”

    On Gurley doing drills in the heat:

    “It’s harder,” Snead said. “It’s the same distance, (but) it’s more stressful. All the strength and conditioning (guys) will tell you that the stopping and starting more…St. Louis can get hot and that day was hot. I called that a South Alabama day where you woke up and it was (hot and humid). That was the most impressive thing. The thing about Todd is he’s a large man coming off an ACL, it’s really hot and he’s rolling.”

    “He still needs time,” Snead said. “But in this scenario … like we’ve always said there’s no black and white answer. It’s all gray, so you have to kind of measure him on a weekly basis to see where he’s at. How he’s getting stronger and also how he’s recovering and how everything’s handling (with) increased intensity. As all that meshes together, that will determine the date.”

    Could Gurley be ready for the season opener?

    “That would be a false black and white deadline,” Snead said. “We’ll kind of see how it goes from there.”

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    Jim Thomas Talks Rams’ Training Camp, Todd Gurley and Young Offensive Line

    http://www.insidestl.com/insideSTLcom/STLSports/STLRams/tabid/137/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/18503/Jim-Thomas-Talks-Rams-Training-Camp-Todd-Gurley-and-Young-Offensive-Line.aspx

    St. Louis Post-Dispatch beat writer Jim Thomas joined The Wendy’s Big Show on Thursday to discuss several Rams topics on the eve of 2015 training camp, including the health of first-round pick Todd Gurley.

    Read notable quotes and listen to the full interview below:

    On Todd Gurley passing his conditioning test:

    “Tuesday they had their conditioning test and it’s a pair of 300-yard dashes. But you do them in 25-year intervals…up to 300 yards. And then you get to rest for three or four minutes and you do it all over again. It was brutally hot day…Gurley lit it up there. He looked very impressive there. He’s going to be on the active roster on the start of training camp. That’s an indication he’s a little closer to playing on opening day, but I don’t think it guarantees it. But at least he’ll be doing some practice work Friday afternoon. He’ll be doing some of the individual drills, maybe some of the seven-on-seven stuff. It’ll help him get indoctrinated into NFL football. There’s always an adjustment period when you learn what the NFL is like.”

    More on Gurley:

    “He’s had more of a pro-style and more exposure to pass-blocking (in college), so mentally he should be fine. Physically is a different matter. I can’t even stay for sure…that he’s going to be playing in any of the preseason games or opening day. We’re not going to see Todd Gurley get 20 or 25 touches in September. They’re still going to be pretty conservative with him.”

    On the inexperienced Rams offensive line:

    “My time of covering the team…they’ve never had a line this young. They firmly expect Rob Havenstein – the second-round pick – the starting right tackle. Jamon Brown – the third-round pick – he’s the starting right guard. At center, you’re going to have either Demetrious Rainey, Tim Barnes or Barrett Jones. That’s a very inexperienced group as well. You’re almost talking about three rookies on the offensive line. I have a little bit of skepticism on how it’s going to work out. But that’s what they planned to do and let’s see how it works out. You’ll see these rookies play more in the preseason than a normal starting lineman would. And they have one of the best defensive lines in NFL going against them every day in practice. If they don’t get demoralized doing that, that’ll be a great learning curve.”

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