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    Draft Thoughts, Now That the Party is Over

    Before this all started, back in early March, even earlier, I said over and over to anyone who would listen, and some who wish I would shut up, that offensive line was the only saving grace of an awful draft class, full of character risks, but mainly one lacking in players at most positions who have the physical measurables to play in the NFL, let alone ever start.

    It’s pretty clear when you have fullbacks, deep snappers, and punters going as high as they started this year, what kind of crop of pure athletes there is.

    However, way before draft day, I saw at least 20-25 offensive lineman who should be drafted. So why is that, seeing the rest of this abysmal crop?

    One reason is that measurable don’t apply at all to O-linemen. Some of the best ever wouldn’t get much attention as obvious athletes. Believe me, I’ve seen some undressed in the locker room. So less offensive linemen get eliminated from my list because they ran a lousy forty, or couldn‘t jump.

    But that’s every year, so what makes this year so special?

    1. Pure luck that you had a bunch of guys graduating and coming out early, from schools that breed great linemen, like Florida, Miami, FSU, Wisconsin, Iowa, Pitt, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, and Stanford. And the guys coming out happened to be stars.

    2. Really great health among this crop, which pushes their stock up.

    3. For a running team, such as the Rams, it’s an even better crop, and if you don’t need a LT, like the Rams, it’s spectacular, among the best I’ve seen in years.

    4. While the passing teams went for certain guys, they left the ones the Rams coveted.

    I think Fisher, Snead,, OL coach Paul Boudreau, and their scouting staff saw that the abundance of guys who fit what they wanted made for an almost perfect storm for them in the draft. Even so, the way they orchestrated it all was brilliant, and they even let Gregg Williams have a bone or two.

    Why so brilliant?

    Lets start with the hill they had to climb, so high fans wanted Joe Barksdale to get whatever he wanted to sign. But here’s the deal. Does Barksdale fit what Fisher and Cignetti want from their RT? Plus it’s his only position, and they wanted a lot of flexibility so injuries never cripple their chances.

    They brought in Garrett Reynolds, who can play both sides at tackle, and have Tim Barnes and Barrett Jones already trained at both G and C. Both Greg Robinson and Rodger Saffold can play all over.

    But look at the rest of the roster on the line before the draft. No high, or even mid round picks ready to plug in, due to ignoring O-line in favor of free agents. No right tackle or backup, no right guard or backup. Four spots to fill with capable talent that again, fits the system.

    So after drafting Gurley, instead of trading down to add a much needed third rounder, perhaps for a young passer, the Rams took a chance on a big deal down, confident that they would still get their starting RT, and now had at least a shot at a QB to groom, one with real potential.

    This is why they were brilliant. Only two OL went before the Rams too Rob Havenstein—Mitch Morse of Mizzou, and Jake Fisher of Oregon. Both could be good, but both played in spread offenses in college. Like Qbs, coming to a running team may not work for those guys, and the Rams were not interested as a result.

    So they get Havenstein, who was so impressive at the senior bowl that, like seemingly every Wisconsin lineman, he moved up draft boards, especially teams looking for guys from great rushing offenses. Havenstein is huge, strong, smart, experienced, well coached, and comes from a dynamic running attack and a school with a great history of OL success. Remember that theme.

    When their own round three pick came up, the Rams had their pick of Qbs, especially the one they wanted. If they didn’t get him, maybe they don’t even take a QB at all. However, the Rams had been sweating bullets because another lineman, perhaps the last in the same tier with Havenstein might not get to them, so they jumped all over Jamon Brown, who they see starting at guard.

    At Louisville, their linemen switch sides depending on the play, and which is long or short side of the field, so Brown has played with either hand in the dirt, and both at guard and tackles. He probably could play center as well.

    Because of the big dropoff after Brown, the Rams figured it was time to take their QB, the one they targeted all along and worked out, with a nice clipboard and lots of studying awaiting; Sean Mannion from Oregon State. It won’t take him long though, having learned the pro system from former NFL coach and offensive guru Mike Riley.

    Then round four rolls around, and there are still some good linemen left, when other positions are going all over the place as far as trying to find talent. The Rams go with another guy from a great lineman tradition, Andrew Donnell from Iowa, who played every year across from 5th overall pick Brandon Scherff.

    Unlike Scherff, Donnell is more a technician, but he has great feet, and could add strength and weight for a year and really be a good one, and another alternative at RT, like Havenstein, probably his only position as a pro.

    The Rams then waited an eternity, before picking what might be a real steal that late, in round six; Missouri WR Bud Sasser. Don’t let the name fool you. He’s a strapping 6-2, 220lb athlete, who ran 4.52 at his pro day. He took over for Dorial Green -Beckham this year, and put up a 77 catch, 100 yard, 10 TD season, with less than stellar QB play. He will give Chris Givens, who probably won’t be re-signed by the Rams next year, a real run for the money, especially if he plays special teams and can block.

    In round seven, the Rams added a pick by trading Zac Stacy, per his wishes, to the Jets, where he actually could play a lot. Then with back to back picks, they filled the last guard spot opening with Cody Wichman from Fresno St. another big physical player, though this one from a passing offense primarily.

    Still a pretty good prospect for a late pick in this draft. So was MLB Bryce Hagar, a heat seeking missile from Baylor, whose dad played for the Eagles and Rams. Britt Hager was coached by none other than Jeff Fisher, the Eagles DC, who was behind the Eagles trading a load of picks to move up for the Texas product. Hager should be a terror on special teams while he learns behind Laurinaitis.

    With their final pick, the Rams took Martin Ifedi, from Memphis, who holds their sack record despite being injured last season, which is why he fell so far. The 6-3, 275 lb defensive end brings memories of popular former Ram Victor Adeyanju, as far as abilities, if not height.

    Now when you look at those impossible to fill holes, with so few picks, so much luck involved;

    1. Young talented passer, highly productive, from a pro offense, and similar to your starter….check

    2. Starting right tackle with experience and talent who can start right away and be a great run blocker for sure? …. Check

    3. Starting caliber player at RG, experienced, big strong, nasty, with some flexibility, from a running or at least balanced offense ………Check

    4. Two backups on O-line with talent to eventually even start …….Check

    5. A backup MLB from a good football program that can play special teams that fit s their profile….Check

    6. A big receiver to compete with Givens and maybe be a sleeper down the road…check

    Now add in the opportunistic move of snatching Todd Gurley, before anyone got him and made the Rams sorry for a long time.

    The Rams drafted nine guys, and eight have a pretty easy path to making the team, because of their perfect fit with need. That my friends, is how you do a draft, not taking guys you have to cut anyway.

    They only have 12 open spots at all in camp for undrafted guys, with 65 players already on the team roster. The Rams already signed a couple receivers and Malcolm Br own, Texas running back. They need camp legs, with Gurley probably not participating, and Brown is a decent prospect, as most Texas guys are.

    One thing very noticeable about this draft is the quality of coaching these players have had; Mike Riley for a QB, Gary Pinkel for a WR, Kirk Ferentz, Brett Bielema & Gary Anderson, Bobby Petrino, and Tim Deruyter, for the O-linemen, and Art Briles for the MLB.

    That bodes well for few problems, and all these guys, when interviewed, were very polished and impressive.

    Of course it remains to be seen how these actual players fare, but as far as filling holes, the Rams are to be congratulated for doing that repair with some really strong stuff.

    One last note, really two; First, Kudos to the Chicago fans for their ovation for the great Jim Kelly. How great is it that one of America’s favorites LOST four Super Bowls. I hate the Cubs, but I love Chicago, and Chicagoans. It really is “My kind of town”, so this Bud is for the classy people of the Windy City.

    Secondly, as much as I hate the Seattle Seahawks, and their stupid 12th man nonsense and gimmicked stadium to funnel noise, you cannot help but dig Pete Carroll, for what he has done for the inner city kids, and for signing Texas deep snapper and 34 year old former green beret Nate Boyer as a free agent.

    Right on, dude !!

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    Rams sign UDFA CB- Imoan Claiborne

    3rd or 4th round grade…but our DBs are very deep.

    Competition looks to be very fun this summer.

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    Imoan Claiborne | Cornerback
    Team: Northwestern State Demons
    Ht / Wt: 5’11 / 187

    Overview

    2014: Recorded four interceptions in 11 games played. 2013: All-Southland Conference second team. 2012: Played in nine games. 2011: Redshirted. 2010: Played in five games.

    Pro Day Results

    40-yard dash: 4.59 and 4.56 seconds
    Vertical jump: 39 inches
    Broad jump: 10 feet
    Short shuttle: 4.58 seconds
    3-cone: 7.28 seconds
    Bench: 13 reps of 225 pounds

    Analysis

    Strengths

    Can significantly disrupt routes when he gets hands on his target. Quick feet and loose in the hips. Able to open and run or change direction easily. Can mirror and match talent off the line. Has range to help over the top when asked to play deep third. Plays through receivers at point of catch. Willing to mix it up against the run. Recovered three fumbles and had four interceptions this year despite a lack of targets his way. Works as hard in the classroom as on the field. Confident in his talent. Can play gunner and cover kicks. Against Baylor in 2014, Bryce Petty rarely looked his way.

    Weaknesses

    Lacks optimal size to play outside. Shows some indecisiveness in combo coverage at times. Long receivers can keep him at the end of their blocks for too long. Sluggish to sink and respond when running with receiver who breaks off route. Handsy downfield. Average lateral acceleration. Scouts need questions answered about long speed. Will get caught peeking into backfield.

    Draft Projection Round 3 or 4

    Bottom Line Confident, ascending press-cover cornerback with the foot quickness and hips to match receivers off the line of scrimmage and in tight quarters. He’s a willing tackler with decent recovery burst, but his questionable long speed and lack of premium size could turn him into a solid slot corner in the league.

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    First impressions of 2015 NFL draft ranked 1-32 with Jets at top

    Nate Davis, USA TODAY Sports

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/draft/2015/05/02/first-impressions-rankings-jets-leonard-williams-jaguars-vikings-trae-waynes/26793997/

    5. St. Louis Rams: RB Todd Gurley, taken 10th, may be the draft’s most compelling prospect. If he emerges as Adrian Peterson 2.0, the Rams win this draft. GM Les Snead and coach Jeff Fisher spent four of their remaining eight picks on an O-line that was eviscerated after the season while snatching QB Sean Mannion — just maybe a starting candidate in 2016 if Nick Foles leaves — in the third round.

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    Does pounding the ball mean 50% runs? If so, I don’t believe the Rams will ever be able to win a Super Bowl.

    A couple of things. Seattle did not even throw the ball 50% of the time last year (and the year before). Last year Dallas threw around 50%. So teams can win doing that.

    But then I don’t believe the Rams are going to be a 50% team. They will IMO be a more balanced team. The way I calculate that, a balanced team throws around 53%-56% of the time. Like Baltimore (54.2%) or Green Bay (53.5%).

    Here are the top 3 pass heavy teams:

    Falcons: 61.0%
    Saints: 60.2%
    Colts: 59.8%

    I don’t think taking those linemen indicate they will have a run-heavy team (50% or less passing). I just think those are Boudreau linemen. The main thing you hear in reading about all of them is not just size, it’s their aggressiveness. Big aggressive guys = Boudreau.

    I think they took Gurley because he was there. A blue chip offensive difference maker. If one of the 2 receivers had been there and Gurley was gone, I think they would have taken one of those guys quite happily. I mean maybe I am wrong and they really are changing everything.

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    1. #10
    Todd Gurley | RB, GeorgiaHeight: 6-1 Weight: 222I don’t think the Rams are in a spot to be able to take a back this high. But then again, it’s Jeff Fisher. He loves to run it.
    C+

    2. #57
    Robby Havenstein | OT, WisconsinHeight: 6-7 Weight: 321I love this pick. He is a mauler in the run game. He can play right tackle or move inside. Todd Gurley will come to like this pick.
    A

    3. #72
    Jamon Brown | OT, LouisvilleHeight: 6-4 Weight: 323This is another lineman I love. He was on my Better-Than team and will end up moving inside to guard.
    B+

    3. #89
    Sean Mannion | QB, Oregon StateHeight: 6-6 Weight: 229This is nice value here at this point. I think he’s the third-best quarterback in this draft and gives them a young passer behind Nick Foles.
    A

    4. #119

    Andrew Donnal | OT, IowaHeight: 6-6 Weight: 313Donnal is a one-year starter at right tackle who’s technically efficient as most Iowa lineman are but is limited in terms of strength and athleticism.
    B-

    6. #201

    Bud Sasser | WR, MissouriHeight: 6-3 Weight: 219A 1,000-yard wideout in 2014 with good size, body control and ball skills. Doesn’t offer much speed-wise but is a really intriguing prospect.
    B+

    6. #215

    Cody Wichmann | OG, Fresno StateHeight: 6-5 Weight: 319Starting right guard on offense in the Mountain West that averaged 547.8 yards per game. He has versatility to play along the line and ran a sub-5.0 40-yard dash at 6-foot-5, 319 pounds.
    B-

    7. #224

    Bryce Hager | ILB, BaylorHeight: 6-1 Weight: 234Loved his tape. Hager has bloodlines, is very instinctive and understands his position. Lacks elite measurables but can carve out a role in the NFL.
    B+

    7. #227

    Martin Ifedi | DE, MemphisHeight: 6-3 Weight: 275Limited athletic presence on the defensive line but career sack leader for Memphis who seemed to always find a way to the quarterback.
    C

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    Fisher deviates from script, focuses on Rams’ offense in draft

    By Howard Balzer

    http://www.foxsports.com/midwest/story/jeff-fisher-deviates-from-script-focuses-on-st-louis-rams-offense-at-2015-nfl-draft-050215

    To say the 2015 draft was an unusual one for Rams coach Jeff Fisher would be an understatement of gargantuan proportions.

    Fisher has been at this head coaching gig since 1995, and only once before did his team open the draft with a succession of more than one offensive player. Yes, this was the third time in four years with the Rams that the draft began with an offensive selection. But in each of those years, the choices of wide receiver Tavon Austin in 2013 and tackle Greg Robinson in 2014 were followed by two defensive players.

    In 16 years at the helm of the Tennessee Titans (formerly the Houston Oilers), only seven times was offense the choice in the first round. And only in 2006 did the draft begin with two offensive players: quarterback Vince Young and running back LenDale White.

    The offensive onslaught at this year’s draft began with the eye-opening selection of running back Todd Gurley at 10th overall and didn’t stop until Baylor linebacker Bryce Hager was picked in the seventh round (224th overall) with a choice St. Louis had acquired from the Jets for running back Zac Stacy.

    In between, six other offensive players were picked, including four offensive linemen, Oregon State quarterback Sean Mannion and Mizzou wide receiver Bud Sasser.

    Certainly, the strategy was fueled by the need to give assistant coach Paul Boudreau some (hopefully) able and (definitely) experienced bodies for his offensive line. That was achieved, at least on paper, with the addition of four linemen in the second (Wisconsin tackle Rob Havenstein, 42 starts), third (Louisville tackle, but projected guard, Jamon Brown, 40 starts), fourth (Iowa tackle Andrew Donnal, 16 starts) and sixth (Fresno State guard Cody Wichmann, 50 starts) rounds. Those four linemen combined for 148 starts in their college careers.

    Donnal’s starts were limited because after becoming a starter in his sophomore season, he suffered a torn ACL (yes, that injury again) in his third start, but he came back a year later and participated in every game — he just didn’t start. Last season, however, he started all 13 games at right tackle.

    In the three previous drafts, the Rams selected a total of six offensive linemen, but only two in the first four rounds: Robinson in 2014 and center Barrett Jones in the fourth round of the 2013 draft. Jones is expected to compete for the starting job with Demetrius Rhaney, a seventh-round pick last year who spent the season on injured reserve, and Tim Barnes.

    The other two choices were tackle Mitchell Van Dyk (seventh round, 2014), who is currently on the Steelers’ roster, and guard Rokevious Watkins (fifth round, 2012), who has eaten his way out of the NFL.

    General manager Les Snead says that the Rams “studied the OL as hard as any position this year,” and notes that the average round in which guards and right tackles were drafted is 3.6.

    “It was not hard at all,” responded Fisher when asked if it was tough to stick with offense for so long. “Every team is different. Every situation is different. Every draft is different. But we clearly entered this draft collectively feeling that we were going to come away with some solid offensive linemen. We feel good about it.”

    Beyond that, the results of this year’s draft became an illustrative primer in how Fisher wants this team to truly reflect the image and style he desires.

    His Titans became a force in the NFL with Eddie George running behind a large and physical offensive line. From 1999 through 2003, Tennessee and St. Louis tied for the most regular-season wins in the league. It was no secret why.

    Now, with the addition of a healthy Gurley running behind a huge line, Fisher hopes to begin duplicating those halcyon days in Nashville.

    Just check out the linemen added in the draft since a year ago: Robinson (6-5, 332), Havenstein (6-7, 321), Brown (6-4, 323), Donnal (6-6, 313) and Wichmann (6-6, 315). Also added to the group is this year’s unrestricted free-agent signing of Garrett Reynolds (6-7, 305), who has experience playing for Boudreau in Atlanta.

    “We’ve got two big, strong, physical players that extend plays, that finish plays, that go downfield,” Fisher said after Day 2. “They’re mauler-types. They’re very, very aggressive, so they’re going to fit our style.”

    It wasn’t surprising then, to hear Donnal describe himself.

    “I view myself as a blue-collar grinder,” he said. “I’m a guy that’s going to come out and work my ass off every day to be the best that I can possibly be. I thoroughly enjoy just playing football, being an offensive lineman and moving the guy from point A to point B against his will. Protecting the quarterback and mauling inside. There’s nothing better.”

    “It’s been a long time coming, particularly because of the needs,” Fisher said of this year’s haul. “After Todd, our focus went to the big guys. All of them finish; that’s the thing we really like. They’re downfield, they’re pushing people over piles, they’re aggressive and they’re finishing. As (Rams GM) Les (Snead) said about Cody, ‘If you’re somewhere in the vicinity, he’s gonna hit you.’ There’s some contact involved, and that’s the mindset that we need to carry forward. But it’s also not something that we have to teach; it’s the way they play right now.”

    Fisher took exception when it was suggested that he and Snead drafted a glut of linemen with the hopes that at least a few would work out.

    “We didn’t throw darts,” he said. “We think these guys can play. Now, we’ll have a much better idea once we get them in here, but we feel they all can come in and contribute. They are durable, they’re smart, they’re well coached and they’re going to fit in.

    “We’re building this team for the future and I think we’re establishing an identity right now.”

    There’s no need to expand on what that identity means. What’s in question is where that “future” will be. But that’s a discussion for another day.

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    Rams Head Coach Jeff Fisher, General Manager Les Snead – Post-Draft Press Conference – May 2, 2015

    (On if he spoke with RB Zac Stacy before trading him to the New York Jets)

    Fisher: “You know, I talked to Zac this morning actually, and we had a really good conversation. Looking back over the years, I don’t know if I remember a player that handled the circumstances that he handled last year, with in essence what we’ll refer to as a demotion, better than Zac from a team standpoint. We talked about that. He’s an outstanding young man. He’s a great teammate. We got on the same page this morning. I told him that we’re going to try to go ahead and make a move, but we don’t know what that looks like – whether that was going to be today, or tomorrow, or training camp or whatever. But we were going to try to do that. He was very appreciative of his opportunity here and everything. When we put it together in the seventh (round), I got in touch with Zac before we actually turned the trade in. He was very excited. We’ll get together before he leaves. He’s been one of my favorites. He’s an outstanding young man.”

    (On if they received other calls requesting Stacy in a trade)

    Fisher: “We talked to a number of teams. This just happened to be the best fit.”

    (On if the trade resulted because Stacy got beat out by Tre Mason and Benny Cunningham)

    Fisher: “You know, it was a combination of things. I think last year it was a combination of what we were doing offensively. It was a combination of the change in the quarterback play and everything and then giving Tre an opportunity and then we had the explosive plays and things like that. I mean, you guys saw Zac work on the practice field after Tre took over and he did an outstanding job. He’s going to be fine up there. It’s a good place for him. He’s a competitor and obviously (Jets Director of Player Personnel) Brian (Heimerdinger) has a pretty good feel for him. He was really high on him when we drafted Zac.”

    (On if the offensive tweaks were a little different for Stacy last year)

    Fisher: “Yeah.”

    (On how they feel about the offensive line now that the draft is over)

    Fisher: “I feel good, yeah. I feel real good. It’s been a long time coming, particularly because of the needs and what we’ve done together over the last three years. The Todd (Gurley) pick was great and then our focus went to the big guys. For us to be able to say that we came away with the three and then of course our last pick today, it was pretty impressive.”

    Snead: “Like Coach said, we sat here on, what was it, Thursday night? And of course, ‘Hey, when are we going to help the OL?’ Looking at it, obviously Todd is, as we’ve said, a once in a while talent so that helps everybody. But just looking at a lot that…we studied OL as hard as any position this year and just with what some of the data says, most starting left tackles, the average round you get those guys, average is second. But obviously, you get that position in the first and we kind of addressed that last year. But you take the guard spot, the center spot and the right tackle spot and the average round of all starters in the league is about 3.6. So we felt like in rounds two, three, four we could address the OL and get some guys that have a chance to come in and help us.”

    (On OL Andrew Donnal and Cody Wichmann)

    Fisher: “They do a great job up there…(Iowa Head) Coach (Kirk) Ferentz and his son (Offensive Line Coach Brian Ferentz) do a great job coaching that offensive line. So, he’s very well coached. There’s flexibility there. I think he was perhaps a little bit overlooked because of their left tackle, but we saw some really good things and felt like we would have a chance for him. He’s got as we talk about the ‘flex’ – the guard, the tackle flex – but he’s very well coached. Then Cody’s just one of those guys who’s just a self-made guy that just plays hard all the time. He’s very athletic. We’ve got four guys that we feel like can play.”

    (On if the team is increasing its odds of players working out by stockpiling so many bodies at the offensive line spot)

    Fisher: “We didn’t throw darts, now. We think these guys can play. So, we’ll have a much better idea once we get them in and get going, but we feel like they can all come in and contribute.”

    (On having a suite visit with Donnal at the combine and if they’ve had their eye on him since then)

    Snead: “At the combine you get about 60 interviews max. I don’t know if we maxed them out. Most of the time we do, but when you do 60 it gets old sometimes. Sometimes we go 50 to 60. This year at the combine we did a lot of the offensive lineman there and if they passed the test there, because obviously like Rob (Havenstein) and (Andrew) Donnal, they didn’t come in to the Top 30. But, through vetting them in the interviews at the combine, passed, got the thumbs up and so we didn’t have to bring them in.”

    (On if they first noticed Donnal watching Brandon Scherff or on his own right)

    Snead: “Obviously when the scouts go in, you’re going to evaluate the draft-eligible players. So he was going to get evaluated one way or the other. But last year he played guard. This year they moved him out to right tackle. Did some left tackle a couple times when Scherff went out, he got banged a couple times, so versatile. So you just knew his versatility and then through the combine process tested relatively well for a tall, big man.”

    (On how they kept Defensive Coordinator Gregg Williams at bay during the draft after drafting seven consecutive players on offense)

    Fisher: “I told him, it might’ve been yesterday, ‘See what happens when you have back-to-back shutouts.’”

    (On was it tough to keep passing on defensive players)

    Fisher: “It was not hard at all, no.”

    Snead: “Maybe late in the draft. There was one time where he said, ‘Let’s just look at this side of the board.’’’

    Fisher: “No, we’re fine. Every team’s different. Every situation’s different. The drafts are different. But we clearly entered this draft collectively feeling that we were going to come away with some solid offensive lineman. Todd (Gurley) obviously is quite the bonus, so we feel good about it.”

    (On how many potential starters for the offensive line he felt he had to get out of this draft)

    Fisher: “I don’t look at it…I don’t want to say they’re options, but they’re real players. These guys have played a lot of football in college. You look at the number of games played and starts with respect to all four of the offensive linemen that we drafted, it’s solid. They’re durable. They’re smart. They’re well coached and they’re going to fit in.”

    (On drafting WR Bud Sasser)

    Snead: “You noticed Sasser this year, obviously they had a lot of wide receivers there in the last few years and then a couple of them that graduated. Two of them had shots at camps. We all know the story on (former Mizzou WR) Dorial (Green-Beckham), so this year with Mauks, the quarterback that they have you, just notice, hey him throwing the ball up and that guy going to get it and high pointing it. He was a big part of their offense. I think the stats show that he probably more than tripled his numbers this year. But long story short, we like the size and if you want to call it the arm length and just catch radius. Strong hands.”

    (On if he knew LB Bryce Hager’s father Britt)

    Fisher: “Yes, it’s a great story. Yes, I know him very well. Actually, he was a draft pick of ours in 1989 when I was coordinating in Philadelphia. It made me feel old today. (laughs)”

    (On if Britt Hager played for Fisher and what kind of player was he)

    Fisher: “Yes. He was an outstanding player. The story is this: I was asked by the head coach at the time to evaluate this one linebacker from Texas. His name was Britt Hager. So I watched four or five games, went down the hall and reported my opinion and the head coach told me that I didn’t know what I was talking about. So I said, ‘Fine,’ and then two days later in the draft, the head coach, that being Buddy Ryan, he traded away (rounds) 7-12 in 1989 to get a three to draft Britt Hager.”

    (On Coach Ryan telling him he didn’t know anything)

    Fisher: “That was how Buddy operated. (Laughs) I think I was just some reassurance that he wanted Britt. Yeah, do the research. We drafted Britt. He traded away our whole draft.”

    Snead: “He’s a grand coach. (Laughs)”

    Fisher: “His dad was a good football player. He played really hard.”

    (On if he sees any similarities between Britt and Bryce Hager)

    Fisher: “Oh yeah, sideline-to-sideline. That’s how his dad was, sideline-to-sideline. Texas, University of Texas, Odessa-Permian. He ran and played special teams and was a great teammate. That’s the same thing you see out of Bryce. Bryce was really productive. They speak very highly of him there at Baylor and he should have an impact from a special teams standpoint. Beyond that we’ll see how it goes. He’s well coached and a very talented young man.”

    (On if Hager ran a 4.5 at his junior day)

    Snead: “He did, that’s confirmed by the combine on his junior. He came back and probably ran a…I think he probably ran a 4.6 at the combine this year. Probably in the 4.5s at his pro day. He has always timed well and he plays fast, plays urgent. Instinctive kid.”

    (On drafting DE Martin Ifedi)

    Fisher: “He was on the board there for a while and (Defensive Line Coach) Coach (Mike) Waufle very high on him. His staff was high on him, the scouts liked him. I don’t know if he was 100 percent this year, but the production was still there. We feel like there’s a big upside there with Martin.”

    Snead: “The year before, I forget which year it was, he was probably the nation’s sack leader.”

    (On if Ifedi had a knee injury early on)

    Snead: “Good point. Don’t want to confirm that right now, but he played this year. I want to go back to when he was leading the nation in sacks, I want to say it was probably ‘12 or ‘13, ‘14. But he’s been a guy that in a defense has played defensive end, five-technique, rushes from the inside. So a guy they played all over the field depending on the defense there at Memphis.”

    (On if he is Memphis’ leading sack leader and if they play a good schedule)

    Snead: “Yes.”

    (On if the lineman drafted Saturday match the Rams style of offense)

    Fisher: “They do, yeah they do as well. (OL) Andrew (Donnal) – all of them finish and that’s the thing that we really like. They’re down field, they’re pushing people over piles. They’re aggressive and they’re finishing. As Les said about (OL) Cody (Wichmann) if you’re somewhere in the vicinity, he’s going to hit you. There’s some contact involved and that’s kind of the mindset that obviously we need to carry forward, but it’s also not something that we have to teach. It’s something that, that’s the way they play right now.”

    (On if they remain open to re-signing OL Joe Barksdale)

    Fisher: “Still a possibility, yes.”

    (On the process of working the undrafted free agent process and if their approach is different because of the number of players on the roster)

    Fisher: “That’s a really good segue into us going upstairs.”

    Snead: “Really it affects the numbers, how many players you need. So obviously we need less when there’s more under contract presently. Post-draft, instead of signing 30, you may only need 15, so that’s really all it does. Then from there it’s hey, the draft is, ‘Hey, are there good free agents or are there not.’ And this draft is probably a little less deep than last year. Last year, you get a Marcus Roberson in free agency, I don’t know if we’re getting a Marcus Roberson this year in free agency.”

    Fisher: “Or a Rodney McLeod.”

    (On how they approach the situation involving LSU OL La’el Collins)

    Fisher: “I think across the board I think everybody had interest in him because he was a good college football player, but I think now we just have to let things unfold and see what happens. It’s very, very unfortunate, whether he was involved or not in the incident. Unfortunately, it’s one of those things that happened that’s very, very unfortunate.”

    (On if they made a conscious decision as an organization not to draft Collins)

    Fisher: “That’s correct and I think most people did it. Extraordinary circumstances. They’re very, very difficult and we just have to wait now for the legal process to work itself out.”

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    follow the money, most of these guys are just filling in numbers at camp..team needs 3 left tackles, 3 left guards 3 centers, 4 nickle backs 4 right cb, 4 left cb, 4 qb’s, ect to run drills

    But Westbrook got a 20,000 bonus last year…Bayer got 10,000? guess Brown got 15,000-10,000 and Claiborne maybe 5,000-10000 lot of the others won’t get any bonus…

    Louis Trinca-Pasat got a $15k SB from the Rams & $10k of his 2015 base salary guaranteed

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    Winners

    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25172147/nfl-draft-winnerslosers-gurley-makes-rams-nfc-west-contender

    St. Louis Rams — How you feel about St. Louis and the draft probably depends on how you see Gurley. Drafting a running back in the top 10 isn’t the same value as grabbing someone in the second round and pairing that back (Ameer Abdullah, T.J. Yeldon?) with a wide receiver in the first. But to me, Gurley is a special, special player who I peg as a potential ROY candidate. The Rams weren’t going to have a high-octane passing offense regardless with Nick Foles running it and Jeff Fisher in charge of everything. Gurley coupled with Tre Mason and Benny Cunningham can turn this rushing attack into a dominant unit. The Rams didn’t draft a defensive player until pick 215 overall and pumped resources into the offensive line by grabbing Robby Havenstein (57th), Jamon Brown (72nd) and Andrew Donnal (119th). Greg Robinson should develop and the defense is already a monster.

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    DL Louis Trinca-Pasat, Iowa (NFL, CBS)

    Louis Trinca-Pasat, DT
    School: Iowa
    Height/Weight: 6-1 / 290 lbs.

    STRENGTHS: Possesses a short, squatty frame with a low center of gravity that helps him win the leverage battle. Strong, active hands to rip free of blocks. Good lateral agility and balance to slip off blocks as backs attempt to run by, latching on to build his gaudy tackle totals. Surprisingly quick given his frame and can disrupt by splitting gaps. Terrific effort in pursuit.

    WEAKNESSES: More of a pest than a consistent disruptor. Too frequently loses to size and power at the line of scrimmage, getting knocked back when run at. Short arms give him limited opportunity to grab hold of ballcarriers when he is able to penetrate. Good initial burst to split gaps but is only an average athlete, overall, and isn’t going to run anyone down.

    Player Overview

    While Carl Davis and junior Drew Ott have received most of the national attention directed toward the Hawkeyes, Trinca-Pasat emerged as Iowa’s more productive defensive lineman in 2014. The stumpy, energetic Trinca-Pasast led his group with eight tackles for loss in 2013 and paced the defensive linemen in 2014 with 65 stops over the 2014 regular season, including 11.5 stops behind the line of scrimmage and 6.5 sacks.

    While Trinca-Pasat’s production is impressive, he’ll have to overcome marginal size and explosiveness to produce similar numbers in the NFL. Trinca-Pasat’s quickness, power and relentlessness could, however, earn him a role in a rotation.

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    http://www.nepatriotsdraft.com/2015-nfl-undrafted-free-agents/2

    So far we got:

    DL Louis Trinca-Pasat, Iowa (NFL, CBS)
    CB Imoan Claiborne, Northwestern State (NFL)
    CB Jay Hughes, Mississippi St (nfldraftscout)
    S Jacob Hagen, Liberty (NFL, nfldraftscout)
    RB Terrence Franks, Texas St (nfldraftscout)
    OL Darrell Williams, South Florida (nfldraftscout)
    WR Isiah Ferguson, Arkansas-Pine Bluff

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    Total breakdown: Rams draft defensive end Martin Ifedi in seventh round

    By Nick Wagoner

    http://espn.go.com/blog/st-louis-rams/post/_/id/18175/total-breakdown-rams-draft-de-martin-ifedi-in-seventh-round

    EARTH CITY, Mo. — A few quick thoughts on the St. Louis Rams’ seventh-round draft pick:

    The pick: Martin Ifedi, defensive end, Memphis

    My take: The seventh-round defensive end the Rams took Saturday afternoon didn’t move the needle nationally nearly as much as the one they took a year ago — Michael Sam — but Ifedi is an awfully intriguing prospect to get at this point in the proceedings. At 6-foot-3, 275 pounds, Ifedi is the prototype defensive end and has the production to match the size. He is Memphis’ all-time leader in sacks (22.5) and finished his career ranked tied for fourth in tackles for loss. While defensive end doesn’t look like a pressing need for the Rams, Ifedi is the type of developmental prospect who makes a lot of sense for them. Backup ends William Hayes and Eugene Sims are free agents after the season, which means if Ifedi can make the roster or even stick on the practice squad, he could spend the year learning from the guys in front of him and be well-positioned to offer depth in 2016.

    Academic priority: One thing Ifedi likely won’t struggle with as he adapts to the NFL is learning the game. He comes to St. Louis with an impressive academic track record. He graduated in 2014 with a degree in health promotion and lifestyle management and earned the 2013-14 version of Memphis’ Zach Curlin Award, given to the school’s top male student-athlete.

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    Total breakdown: Rams draft OL Cody Wichmann in sixth round

    By Nick Wagoner

    http://espn.go.com/blog/st-louis-rams/post/_/id/18137/total-breakdown-rams-draft-ol-cody-wichmann-in-sixth-round

    EARTH CITY, Mo. — A few quick thoughts on the St. Louis Rams’ sixth-round draft pick:

    The pick: Cody Wichmann, guard, Fresno State

    My take: At this point, it might be easier to just copy and paste previous takes. The Rams have now taken seven consecutive offensive players, including four linemen. Like with Iowa offensive lineman Andrew Donnal, the addition of Wichmann simply boils down to adding bodies who can come in and compete. The Rams need starters and depth on the offensive line, so there should be an opportunity for Wichmann to come in and compete for a spot. Again, the more bodies they bring in, the better the chance that one or more will become contributors.

    The Mankins connection: Before we even delve into this topic, let’s be clear that nobody is comparing Wichmann to former Patriots star Logan Mankins. Now that that’s out of the way: It’s interesting to note that Wichmann attended the same high school — Mariposa High in Mariposa, California — and same college as Mankins. Wichmann calls Mankins his favorite athlete because “he’s a great lineman, role model and he deserves a lot of respect.” Nobody should reasonably expect Wichmann to come in and play for the Rams right away, and he’ll likely have to battle for a roster spot, but at the very least he has tried to follow in the footsteps of a pretty good player.

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    Good story about Britt Hager, Rams new LB Bryce Hager’s dad.

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    Rams’ war-room drama reveals team on a familiar track

    By Michael Silver

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000490604/article/st-louis-rams-warroom-drama-reveals-team-on-a-familiar-track

    EARTH CITY, Mo. — At certain uncomfortable junctures throughout his 20-year career as an NFL head coach, Jeff Fisher has had to adapt to circumstance, reshaping his offense as a pass-heavy attack, or one that takes advantage of a quarterback’s mobility.

    Yet the times when Fisher’s teams have been most effective — the times when the man with the sublime ‘stache has been most at peace with his situation — have coincided with the presence of an elite, eminently productive running back. When Fisher coached the Titans to Super Bowl XXXIV, and later to the 2002 AFC Championship Game, the ultra-physical Eddie George was the offensive focal point. Tennessee’s romp to the 2008 AFC South title, meanwhile, was fueled by the emergence of rookie speedster Chris Johnson.

    And Friday night, for the first time in the three years and three months that have passed since Fisher took over as the St. Louis Rams’ coach and top football decision-maker, he exuded a deep-seated satisfaction impossible to ignore — that of a man who feels his team will play football the way he prefers it, with no ambiguity about its mission.

    As he sat in his office following the second day of the 2015 NFL Draft, leaning back in a cushy chair while sipping a glass of bold red wine, Fisher didn’t shy away from statements that might sound like hyperbole to some: Former Georgia star Todd Gurley, the swift and powerful runner he’d taken 10th overall in Thursday night’s first round, is “a once-every-10-year back” who, along with the upgrades made to the offensive line in Rounds 2 (former Wisconsin tackle Rob Havenstein) and 3 (ex-Louisville guard Jamon Brown), will change the Rams’ offensive identity.

    “We’re trying to become more physical on offense,” Fisher said. “We did that today. We got two guys who are gonna go downfield and finish blocks — and clear space for that guy we got last night to do what he does. It’s not complicated: Hand it off, run play-action passes, get the ball out quickly, keep your defense off the field.”

    Or, as secondary coach and former collision-happy NFL safety Chuck Cecil had put it about 20 minutes earlier: “We’re gonna be going old-school on ’em.”

    Fisher has, along with general manager Les Snead, already assembled an aggressive defense — led by a star-studded stable of pass rushers and run-lane-cloggers up front. The coach believes he now has a suitably relentless offense to go with it. With a new quarterback in Nick Foles, acquired in a March trade with the Philadelphia Eagles for injury-prone passer Sam Bradford, Fisher isn’t looking for big fantasy numbers or cutting-edge passing concepts. Rather, he and newly promoted offensive coordinator Frank Cignetti, who replaced Brian Schottenheimer after the 2014 season, will be quite comfortable handing the rock to Gurley and letting him grind his way down the field.

    On paper, the Rams are bucking a trend. As the NFL becomes increasingly pass-centric, teams consistently unearth short-term answers at running back from later rounds and productive veterans struggle to get lucrative, long-term contracts, the Death of the Marquee Running Back has become a trendy talking point. In fairness, it’s not just talk: No running back was selected in the first round of the 2013 or 2014 drafts, with Gurley and Wisconsin’s Melvin Gordon (who went 15th overall to the Chargers) breaking the ignominious streak on Thursday.

    Going all-in with Gurley, who tore his ACL last November, could be construed as a gamble. When I interviewed the newest Rams runner Friday on NFL Network, he expressed confidence in his recovery, and his new bosses obviously feel similarly. Fisher and Snead locked in on him as their top target midway through April and sweated out the draft’s first nine picks before happily pouncing.

    A couple of weeks before the draft, in an act that was part superstition and part subterfuge, Fisher moved Gurley’s player card well below his actual slot on the draft board in the team’s war room, placing him in the second-round range. “At that point,” Fisher said, “(our interest in him) was on a need-to-know basis.”

    That set up quite the draft-room scene Thursday: After the Giants selected Miami guard Ereck Flowers with the ninth overall pick, Fisher instructed Sean Gustus, the area scout who’d given the initial grade on Gurley, to put the magnetic card “where it really belongs” on the draft board.

    Gustus, Fisher recalled, “tried to stick it on the ceiling,” as the scouts, coaches and other team officials in his midst broke out in celebratory laughter.
    St. Louis Rams’ 2015 NFL Draft

    Round 1, Pick 10 (10): Todd Gurley, RB, Georgia

    Round 2, Pick 25 (57): Rob Havenstein, OT, Wisconsin

    Round 3, Pick 8 (72): Jamon Brown, OT, Louisville

    Round 3, Pick 25 (89): Sean Mannion, QB, Oregon St.

    Round 4, Pick 20 (119): Andrew Donnal, OT, Iowa

    Round 6, Pick 25 (201): Bud Sasser, WR, Missouri

    Round 6, Pick 39 (215): Cody Wichmann, G, Fresno St.

    Round 7, Pick 7 (224): Bryce Hager, ILB, Baylor

    Round 7, Pick 10 (227): Martin Ifedi, DE, Memphis

    Predictably, there were no dissenters. Snead, who’d been speaking glowingly about Gurley since the runner’s true freshman season, put it thusly: “When you’d pick out a game and watch his film, it was like watching a highlight reel. He just kept doing special things, play after play.”

    Said Fisher: “If it weren’t for the injury, he probably wouldn’t be a Ram. Because in everybody’s opinion, he was a top two or three pick. When they say running backs don’t have value anymore, that’s not the case when it’s a once-every-10-year back. That was the consensus in the building, and it was basically the consensus around the league.”

    For all of the Rams’ rich history at the position — which includes Hall of Famers Eric Dickerson, Jerome Bettis and Marshall Faulk, as well as another current St. Louis scout, Lawrence McCutcheon, who got especially fired up in the war room as Gurley’s card was pulled — they haven’t ranked in the top half of the NFL in rushing yardage for the past 15 years. Tre Mason, selected in the third round last year, showed promise as a rookie, which will allow Fisher the luxury of easing Gurley back from his injury. Mason projects as the clear No. 2 behind Gurley; third-year pro Zac Stac was traded — he had requested the move — to the New York Jets on Saturday.

    There was plenty of drama in the war room Friday night, as the Rams — who had a cluster of offensive linemen stacked in the second-round range and were thus open to trading down — fielded a fast and furious barrage of trade offers for their second-round pick (41st overall).

    For five-and-a-half minutes, the room resembled a Jerry Lewis-sponsored telethon, with president Kevin Demoff, Snead and Fisher fielding simultaneous calls from teams making offers — and in some cases, ringing back with sweetened trade proposals.

    “I’ve never seen (a war room) quite that crazy,” Fisher said later.

    The Chiefs, Eagles, Texans, Steelers and Panthers all offered trade-down prospects, and the Cowboys called to gauge the market before bowing out. With four-and-a-half minutes on the clock, Fisher chose the Panthers’ deal. The Rams got Carolina’s second-round pick (57th overall), along with selections in the third and sixth round, and hoped one of the linemen they liked would last another 16 spots.

    Mission accomplished: Four of the linemen the Rams coveted were there for the taking when the Rams went on the clock at 57, and after much back-and-forth at the board (with offensive line coach Paul Boudreau and assistant line coach Andy Dickerson joining Fisher, Snead and Demoff in the discussion), it was decided Havenstein would be the choice.

    “We got a road-grader, boys,” Fisher announced triumphantly. “A big-ass road grader.”

    Or maybe they hadn’t: With a phone at his ear, Demoff informed Fisher that the Buccaneers were offering a trade prospect in which the Rams would move down eight spots (receiving the first pick of the third round) and swap a sixth-round pick for Tampa Bay’s fourth-rounder. After a quick discussion, Fisher decided to take the deal.

    Moments later, Demoff called the Bucs back, only to learn that they had chosen to rescind the offer.

    Gesturing toward Boudreau, Fisher said, “OK, this guy can exhale now. Get him a glass of wine.”

    To the delight of Fisher and Boudreau, Brown — another of the linemen being discussed as the possible second-round choice — was still there when the team’s third-round selection (72nd overall) rolled around. (And the Rams — who later took ex-Oregon State quarterback Sean Mannion with the third-round pick acquired from the Panthers — weren’t done beefing up the line; they selected former Iowa tackle Andrew Donnal in the fourth round and ex-Fresno State guard Cody Wichmann in the sixth round Saturday.)

    On Friday night, as he rocked back and forth in the chair behind his desk, Fisher was the emblem of serenity and satisfaction. After three seasons in which the Rams have shown occasional promise but lacked consistency — and were unable to overcome the damage inflicted by season-ending knee injuries to Bradford — Fisher has heard the noise that he is in a win-or-else situation for 2015.

    Logic suggests this is in fact the case: Fisher’s teams have gone 7-8-1, 7-9 and 6-10 since he arrived in St. Louis, and with a possible move to Los Angeles looming, there’s a lot of uncertainty about the future.

    Fisher, however, isn’t carrying himself like a coach worried about his job security.

    “I think this reflects a stability in the organization,” he said of Gurley’s selection. “You know, we’re not impatient. We’re going to bring him along and make sure he’s ready to go and then hand him that little brown thing a bunch.”

    For this coach, at this moment, nothing could be more fulfilling.

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    Twitter Reaction to Bryce Hager Pick

    Ron Clements ‏@Ron_Clements

    Hager was one of my Day 3 steals. Great value pick by the #Rams.

    Nick Wagoner ‏@nwagoner

    And the offensive streak is over. Rams go with Baylor ILB Bryce Hager. #STLPick

    Jim Thomas ‏@jthom1

    Bryce is the son of former Rams linebacker Britt Hager, who was w/Rams in 1997.

    Jim Thomas ‏@jthom1

    Britt Hager appeared in 13 games in ’97 and finished with 3 tackles and 1 special teams tackle.

    Bryce Hager ran a 4.49 in the 40 at Baylor’s spring day in 2014.

    Coach Art Briles ‏@CoachArtBriles

    Congrats to Bryce Hager and the St. Louis Rams! Getting great bloodlines and a great player!

    John McClain ‏@McClain_on_NFL

    Rams will like Baylor LB Bryce Hager. Tough, ran well at combine. Started every year. Smart. Captain. Great special teams player.

    Dion Caputi ‏@nfldraftupdate

    With the 224th pick in the 2015 NFL Draft, the St. Louis Rams select Bryce Hager, LB. Baylor. East/west LB; 4-3 only. Impressed at Combine.

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    Height: 6031
    Weight: 275
    40 Yrd Dash: 4.88
    20 Yrd Dash: 2.83
    10 Yrd Dash: 1.68
    225 Lb. Bench Reps: 16
    Vertical Jump: 31
    Broad Jump: 09’03”
    20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.58
    3-Cone Drill: 7.39

    2014: First-team All-AAC. Started nine games. Set school record with 22.5 career sacks. 2013: First-team All-AAC. Started all 12 games. 2012: Second-team All-Conference USA. Switched positions to DE during spring practices. 2011: Played in all 12 games as reserve DT. 2010: Redshirted.

    PRO DAY RESULTS
    Bench press: 17 reps of 225 pounds

    ANALYSIS

    STRENGTHS Worker bee. Keeps playing until the whistle and works to improve his position. Good arm length. Has ability to get under blockers and drive them into the pocket. Reads run plays and reacts quickly. Makes it hard for linemen to reach-block him. Tough at the point of attack. Plays square to the line of scrimmage with a strong base and strength in hands to shed. Launches into tackles and finishes. Highly intelligent.

    WEAKNESSES Slow-twitch, one-speed pass rusher. Not elusive — offensive linemen always know where to find him. Pops straight up out of stance. Looks unnatural when twisting. Appears to lack an accelerator. Slows feet before contact as pass rusher. Missed four games due to injury in 2014. Misleading sack numbers his sophomore and junior year, with most coming on second effort or with quarterback hanging onto ball too long.
    DRAFT PROJECTION Round 7 or priority free agent

    NFL COMPARISON Kerry Wynn

    BOTTOM LINE His lack of athleticism and skill as a pass rusher could hurt his draft stock, but Ifedi has the strength and toughness to be considered as a left end with run-stopping potential in a 4-3 defense.

    Ifedi (6’3/275) left Memphis as the school’s all-time leader in sacks (22.5) and piled up 36 tackles for loss with four career forced fumbles. His senior-year stats would’ve been much better if not for a knee injury that cost Ifedi the first four games of the season. Ifedi ran 4.88 at the Combine with a 31-inch vertical. Long armed (33 7/8″) with the ability to contribute at both strong-side end and defensive tackle, Ifedi may never grow into an every-down NFL player, but is talented enough to become an effective rotational piece.

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    Bryce Hager | ILB, Baylor
    Height: 6-1 Weight: 234

    Analysis

    Strengths

    Once he diagnoses, can explode to the ball. Great pursuit on the perimeter against run. Moves with ease laterally and chases with good angles. Former running back with a muscular build and expected to have good speed scores at his workout. Shows good range in coverage and can play man or zone effectively against the pass.

    Weaknesses

    Not a downhill linebacker. Won’t beat offensive linemen to the spot against run. Delays in diagnosing interior runs. Play speed is inconsistent. Doesn’t bring strong thump behind his pads as a hitter when asked to be face-up tackler. Needs to be clean and free-running to the ball to be effective.
    Draft Projection Round 6 or 7
    Sources Tell Us “The only way I could see him playing inside is if a team is 2-gapping up front and keeping him clean. I think he has to be a 4-3 outside ‘backer. I might want to see if he can catch the ball at all because he could have some fullback potential.” — NFC area scout

    NFL Comparison Colin McCarthy

    Bottom Line

    With his burst to the ball and ability to cover, Hager would be best suited for a 4-3 defense looking for an athletic linebacker who can make plays outside of his area. Hager might end up a late-round pick, but teams like his production and chase traits.

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    Twitter Reaction to Cody Wichmann Pick

    Jim Thomas ‏@jthom1

    Rams defensive coordinator Gregg Williams might as well have gone fishing this weekend.

    Nick Wagoner ‏@nwagoner

    If you’re keeping score at home, Rams have taken seven consecutive offensive players, including four offensive linemen. #STLPick

    Nate Latsch ‏@NateLatsch

    The #STLRams go big again with their second sixth-round pick: OL Cody Wichmann from Fresno State is 6-5 and 319 pounds.

    Josh Norris ‏@JoshNorris

    The Rams are going to start 10 OL and 1 QB apparently.

    Fresno State FB ‏@FresnoStateFB

    Cody Wichmann, a 2x All @mountainwest selection, started in 50 career games, the second most starts by any Bulldog in the last eight years.

    Josh Webb (Twist) ‏@FightOnTwist

    Nice grab by the Rams there. Cody Wichmann is a grinder and warrior. Rams could use the help and he’s a willing worker.

    Dion Caputi ‏@nfldraftupdate

    With the 215th pick in the 2015 NFL Draft, the St. Louis Rams select Cody Wichmann, G. Fresno State. Seasoned dual guard or right tackle.

    Nick Wagoner ‏@nwagoner

    Cody Wichmann attended same high school and college as Logan Mankins.

    Cameron Worrell ‏@CamWorrell

    Cody Wichmann had an excellent pro day, ran 4.9 in the 40 and really shot up draft boards. Did his pro day training @APSportsFresno

    Nick Wagoner ‏@nwagoner

    Like Havenstein and Brown, Wichmann has a bunch of starts to his name. 50 to be exact. Two time all Mountain West player. #STLPick

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    Doesn’t the blue mean sarcastic? lol

    Only on the PD board and the by extension, ROD. (Which I know you know.)

    Here it means “express yourself.” s

    But then so does every other color.

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    OG Cody Wichmann
    Fresno St. Mountain West

    Height 6’6″
    Weight 315LBS.

    Analysis

    Strengths

    Thick and strong with a frame to hold up against power players. Duck­-footed drive blocker after impact. Has enough power to generate push as base blocker and can jolt edge when pulling in short areas. Plus anchor. Held up against Leonard Williams early in 2014. Sees twists coming and can catch twister. Has radar to land his down block in sweet spot and seal off defender.

    Weaknesses

    Average initial quickness and below-average athlete. Can handle himself in small spaces, but struggles when asked to leave his property and block in space. Will likely miss his mark if block isn’t on schedule and he’s asked to adjust to a sudden change of direction.
    Draft Projection Round 6 or 7

    Bottom Line

    Durable, NFL­-caliber build with average to below­-average feet, but above-average strength and anchor. Wichmann will be limited by his lack of athleticism and will need to find a home in a power­-blocking scheme that allows him to live in a phone booth and maul his opposition.

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    Twitter Reaction to Bud Sasser Pick[/color]

    Nick Wagoner ‏@nwagoner

    Rams giving their Mizzou fans a little something to enjoy in round 6 for the second consecutive year…

    The Rams’ first sixth-round pick is Mizzou WR Bud Sasser. Took CB E.J. Gaines in the sixth last year.

    Evan Silva ‏@evansilva

    New #Rams WR Bud Sasser is a @LordReebs favorite. 6’3/219. 4.53 40. 34 1/2″ vert. 10′ broad jump. Think he projects best as a “big slot” WR.

    Nate Latsch ‏@NateLatsch

    Mizzou WR Bud Sasser has good size and put up decent numbers at pro day — 4.52 40, 6.88 3-cone drill, 11.37 60-yard shuttle. #STLRams

    Nick Wagoner ‏@nwagoner

    6 consecutive offensive players for Rams in this draft so far.Hope someone remembers to let Gregg Williams out of his office later. #STLPick

    Casey Pearce ‏@ccpearce

    Since Mizzou in the 6th went so well last year…@GainesTrain_31

    Dion Caputi ‏@nfldraftupdate

    With the 201st pick in the 2015 NFL Draft, the St. Louis Rams select Bud Sasser, WR. Missouri. Wins a lot of 50-50s. Can separate.

    Eric Edholm ‏@Eric_Edholm

    Bud Sasser. Nice. Rams landed E.J. Gaines, total theft in Round 6 last year. Rams coaches love Pinkel.

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    All 6 of Rams picks have been on offense. Every other team except for Tampa Bay (1) has taken at least 2 defensive players thus far.

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    It will be tough for Sasser to make 53-man roster, especially if they keep just 5 WRs. Could be him or Chris Givens if that’s the case.

    Sasser had 77 catches for 1,003 yards with 12 TDs last season for Mizzou. He’s 6-2. 210.

    Myles Simmons ‏@MylesASimmons

    Anyway, Sasser made 77 receptions for 1,003 yards and 12 touchdowns in 2014 for Mizzou. He was 2nd SEC in rec, 3rd in SEC in yds receiving.

    Brandon Kiley ‏@BKSportsTalk

    I would not be shocked if Bud Sasser ends up starting for the #Rams.

    Nick Wagoner ‏@nwagoner

    Sasser said he didn’t know Rams were interested but he’s clearly excited about playing here with guys like Gaines, Barnes, etc. #STLPick

    Bud Sasser on coming just up I-70 to play in STL: “This is the greatest feeling of my life.”

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    Exploring Rams’ options for Day 3

    By Nick Wagoner

    http://espn.go.com/blog/st-louis-rams/post/_/id/18113/exploring-rams-options-for-day-three

    EARTH CITY, Mo. — We’ve arrived at the final day of the 2015 NFL draft after the St. Louis Rams spent the first two days working to build an offense they hope will allow them to effectively run the ball at any and every defense in the league.

    Along the way, the Rams made a trade that netted them additional draft picks so they’ll enter the draft’s final day with four choices instead of the originally scheduled three.

    With most of their pressing needs checked off the list, the Rams should have plenty of flexibility with a fourth-round pick, two sixth-round picks and a seventh-round selection.

    Most of the highly-rated players are off the board, though some draft analysts might see a strong value or two. Pittsburgh offensive tackle T.J. Clemmings remains available, though he has questions about a foot injury and will need a lot of time to develop. On the final day, though, the risk might become more manageable for some team. And though the Rams have already heavily addressed the offensive line, it wouldn’t hurt to continue to add bodies.

    Speaking of which, there are a couple of other names the Rams showed interest in during the pre-draft process who could also be in the mix. Florida State guard Tre Jackson and Arizona State’s Jamil Douglas are still available. Outside of that, Auburn’s Reese Dismukes and Georgia Tech’s Shaq Mason are among the top centers who�could be there if the Rams want to add another body to that competition.

    If the Rams want to look elsewhere, such as a wide receiver, East Carolina’s Justin Hardy and Florida State’s Rashad Greene are still there for the taking. And, if they want to make defensive coordinator Gregg Williams happy by finally allowing him to play ball, there are some intriguing defensive tackles and cornerbacks still available.

    Clemson defensive tackle Grady Jarrett and Ohio State defensive tackle Mike Bennett are two of ESPN draft analyst Todd McShay’s three best players still on the board. Arkansas defensive end Trey Flowers also remains and could give the Rams a developmental prospect for the future.

    At cornerback, Louisville’s Charles Gaines, Oregon’s Ifo Ekpre-Olomu and Kansas’ Jacorey Shepherd could be of interest if the Rams want to add help there.

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    A long and physical tackle who reminds scouts of former Eagle John Runyan.

    This comparison keeps coming up.

    And, a kwik reminder—Runyan went to the Eagles as a free agent. The team that drafted him was the Fisher Titans. Round 4, 1996. Same year as Fred Miller…who then replaced Runyan as a free agent when JR went to Phil.

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    Rams Day Two Press Conference – Head Coach Jeff Fisher and Les Snead – May 1, 2015

    (On how the trade with the Carolina Panthers came about)
    Snead: “I think on that one, you’re picking early in the second round and there’s still good players left on the board and teams kind of identify one. They probably simmer on it all day and say, ‘That’s the guy we want.’ They may have had him rated as a late first or something like that and they say, ‘Let’s go get him. Let’s go get our guy.’ So, we had a lot of phone calls.”

    (On if the trade was feasible because they saw a strong group of offensive linemen still on the board that they liked)
    Fisher: “That’s exactly the case. We did, we had a good group. As a matter of a fact, we had expected a number of the guys to come off in the group and that didn’t happen. We had two guys come off prior to that pick. Then, right prior to the trade, I think we were on the phone with five teams.”
    Snead: “We probably missed a call or two. There were a lot of teams calling in.”

    (On if they think that the string of wide receivers coming off the board peaked other teams’ interest in that particular position)
    Fisher: “Everybody has different needs. Obviously, he (Panthers second round pick, Devin Funchess) was important to them. He’s a good player. Tall, big target, so you can see why they had an interest in him. At that point, our group was large. It was good. We felt like we had a chance just to trade out. Really looking at the group, we also thought the three was probably a little more important than a four and a five. So, we opted to go with Carolina and we got the three.”

    Snead: “So what he’s saying there is we could have gone back not as far and gotten maybe a four and fifth rounder, but instead took the three and the sixth rounder to go back a little bit farther.”

    (On if at that point they look at other teams’ needs to see who they think has interest in an offensive linemen)
    Snead: “You’ll take their team needs. You’ll take who they visited, who they worked out – if you have that info and try to predict…if we’re looking for an OL so to speak, if someone picked an OL in the first round, they may be less likely to go to him the next time. So try to use all of that data to make these types of decisions.”

    (On if the draft picks thus far in 2015 are helping to put the final pieces together to form his type of team identity)
    Fisher: “Yes. It really helped with both of the offensive linemen today and of course Todd (Gurley) yesterday. Yes, we’re building this team for the future and I think we’re establishing an identity right now.”

    (On what they like about OLs Rob Havenstein and Jamon Brown)
    Snead: “With big Rob, he is ready to play. He’s a right tackle, started a ton of games – never missed any. They run the ball well up there. Went to the Senior Bowl. All of that translated to the Senior Bowl. He’s just a guy that knows his strengths and weaknesses and how to use them. The other kid (Brown) in (Louisville Head) Coach (Bobby) Petrino’s offense, he’s going to play on the right and left side, but depending you know they flip flop them – strong/weak, whatever they call them, so it’s gives him some versatility. He’s playing left and right. But what was interesting, too, when he did the combine workout, a lot of his numbers in all of the drills kind of jumped into what really good starters in our league do at the combine. There’s an element of upside there with the kid. I think those are the two things that we liked about him.”

    Fisher: “We’ve got two big, strong, physical players that extend plays, that finish plays, that go downfield. They’re mauler-type. They’re very, very aggressive, so they’re going to fit our style.”

    (On if Havenstein projects at right tackle and where Brown fits)
    Fisher: “Yes, most likely. He’s very athletic. As Les said, Brown’s moved around. You can watch him play both tackles. On two consecutive plays he might be flipping, but he’s also done some guard work, so I think we would probably project him as a guard right now.”

    (On if they would still like to add a veteran to the offensive line)
    Fisher: “Well, we’ve got Garrett (Reynolds). Garrett’s done a nice job here just in the short time he’s been here in the last couple weeks. But there’s always that chance that we would add somebody.”

    (On if today’s draft lessens their interest in bringing Joe Barksdale back)
    Fisher: “No. We still have interest in bringing Joe back.”

    (On QB Sean Mannion)
    Snead: “He’s a nice case study. He started four years there, all-time pass leader in terms of yards in Pac 12 history. But, what’s interesting following him is his skill players have all been drafted. As a sophomore, he had two guys in Marcus Wheaton and Brandon Cooks. As a junior, he had just Brandon Cooks. As a senior, he had a group of tight ends and a not so good offensive line. Big, tall, pro-style quarterback, tough – all the things you look for. Smart, knows the system. And I think when we went and did the private (workout), I think that’s what solidified him for us. I know, (Quarterbacks Coach) Chris Weinke, (Offensive Coordinator) Frank Cignetti did a lot of work on him. Great job at the private that really solidified, ‘Hey, that was the fit for us.’ If you want to call it of that final four QBs besides the most talked about two.”

    (On how much the fact that Mannion played in a pro-style offense help the decision to draft him)
    Fisher: “Well his understanding of terminology, of defenses, decision-making. We sent some information, let him study the night before. We talked about it the next day and he had it down. He’s exceptionally smart. Again, I think the thing that I was most impressed with was his ability to make every throw; the different touches, the deep balls, the shorter throws and then the footwork. I thought his footwork in the pocket and getting out of the pocket was much better than I saw on tape. He had a great pro-day and like we said he had a great workout for us.”

    (On how they looked at Mannion’s 2014 season compared to his other seasons)
    Snead: “I told Coach Fish, if you were a fan of Sean Mannion, I almost told our video guy to just delete the Oregon State 2014 film just so…you don’t want that to be your first exposure to the kid because he had lost a lot of weapons. A couple of his really good offensive lineman had gotten injured and missed the season so he was under duress, but when he had some weapons-I know this-they went to two bowl games his sophomore and his junior year. (Former Oregon State Head Coach) Mike Riley’s done a good job there. They’re probably undermanned every time they go play somebody in the Pac-12 and that group with Mike and Sean at QB, they just won games when they had just enough skill. So, that’s why at that point I was like, ‘Let’s delete 2014 and just watch the ’12 and ’13 stuff.’”

    (On how Mannion handled himself during his tough 2014 campaign)
    Fisher: “He did a great job. Unfortunately for him we’ve seen numerous times where he’s got hit right in the chin and he’ll get back up and back under center and throw a comeback for a first-down. He’s that kind of player. Those things don’t bother him. Has excellent numbers in the red zone, or the scoring territory plus 20. He’s just an excellent thrower, particularly cause his height, his vision and his release and the velocity on the ball. He throws a lot of touchdown passes inside the 20-yard line.”

    Snead: “I think Coach Fish made a good point. We broke down this QBs, we did a lot of work on them and situational, threw a lot of TDs in the red zone, whereas some of the other QBs may throw a lot just on some deep balls in college football. Also, in analyzing the picks, a lot of his picks came when they’re down by 28 and everybody’s bringing the house and he’s just trying to win a game. So, you try to breakdown and analyze the situations in how it would be different if he got to a place with better surroundings.”

    (On if Mannion is similar to QB Nick Foles)
    Fisher: “Yeah, there are similarities there. Tall, good target, good release.”

    (On if they worked out all six quarterbacks in one weekend)
    Snead: “I think we can say that now. Yes, all six.”

    (On if they were surprised that no quarterbacks were selected in the second round of the draft)
    Snead: “Maybe a little bit, but what happens in that second round when you’re trying to figure out the draft, there’s still good, positional players left that are going to probably play upwards of four downs a series for a team where some of these guys are probably not playing opening day. So, I think all teams are more tempted and probably right to go pick the player who may play four downs for you.”

    (On if Havenstien and Brown’s experience will help them prepare for the NFL faster)
    Fisher: “Well it was a factor. I mean, we look at games played and games started and both of them their numbers were somewhat similar, but it’s definitely a factor. It’s durability, it’s reliability. It’s important and experience. If you’re not going to miss a game in college or rarely missed a game the odds are you’re going to do the same here.”

    (On if there are any concerns about Havenstein’s injury history)
    Snead: “We really looked at him and the nice thing is because of the surgery scrutinized him. The medical staff OK’d it. Like Coach Fisher said, when you do the research, you’ll like it because when guys play a lot guys they’re going to get banged up. Football it’s an aggressive sport. What you do like when you do the research is, ‘Hey the guy doesn’t miss practice, he doesn’t miss games. He just got banged up and toughed it out.’”

    (On how much work Havenstein needs in pass protection)
    Snead: “The key to probably a right tackle who’s obviously going to be less athletic than the left tackle, that’s why he’s playing right-is he knows his strengths and weaknesses. So, he knows what can beat him and what can’t. I think those guys over time learn to use all that knowledge to know his weaknesses, not get himself into a place where those weaknesses are going to be exposed. The smartness probably comes in handy there.”

    (On what Mannion did off of the field that solidified him as the selection)
    Snead: “All the draft-nicks would say after his pro day he was buzzing. I think Coach Fish saw that on the plane. We had on the iPad. When you go see it live, you just see a guy that’s tall, quick release, improved his release and the ball is coming out of his hand. He’s driving it, as (Quarterbacks) Coach (Chris) Weinke would say, ‘through the receiver with timing.’”

    (On RB Zac Stacy’s status after his comments last night)
    Fisher: “Yeah, we’ve been so busy I haven’t addressed it with Zac. We’ll get to that, but I can understand his concerns. I think his first comment was ‘Yikes.’ Somebody said something to me, he tweeted that. We’ll address it. Zac’s a team guy and I can appreciate his concern, but we’ve not talked about with him yet.”

    (On if Stacy’s status has not changed)
    Fisher: “That is correct.”

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    I like 29 Marcus Hardison DT Arizona State as a DL developmental prospect. But, is there room for him on the roster this season?

    IMO? Yes. They have only 3 DTs at this point, and one of them (Fairley) is on a one year. They rotate 3 and when you rotate 3 you need 4, cause otherwise an injury means you can’t rotate.

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    Will fisher start two rookie OLinemen?

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    IMO? Only in the event of multiple extensive injuries of the kind you rarely see with pro teams.

    In other words…maybe.

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    from off the net

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    Kind of Blue/Gold

    McShay LOVED the Havenstein pick on the ESPN draft coverage. I usually DVR both the NFL Network and ESPN coverage, watching them in that order.

    2014 First Team All-Big Ten

    Rough telecast transcription:

    McShay – “There isn’t an uglier football player in this draft than Rob Havenstein. Watch the combine, look at this guy, he can’t play, he’s like a junior member of a beer league softball team. But put on the tape, and he is one of the best OL you are ever going to watch. I don’t know how he gets there. He isn’t that athletic, doesn’t run great 40 times, somehow, he is always in position, he knows the angles, he’s a veteran, and he’s so much stronger football-wise than he is in the weight room. Look at this guy, consistently wins at the second level, sealing off, doing whatever it required in order to get those big creases for Melvin Gordon, and now Todd Gurley, who was the first back taken, is going to take advantage. I really like this pick for St. Louis.”

    Dilfer – “The way OL make up for a lack of athleticism is being synched together, their eyes, hands and feet. When you watch Havenstein play, he’s synched up. What his eyes see, his hands and feet react to, this guy’s a mauler. Yes, he had to wear a t-shirt in the pool when he was in high school, but he is laughing at all those guys who laughed at him now, he is going to dominate DEs in the run game in the National Football League.”

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    Rams draft OL Jamon Brown in third round

    Nick Wagoner, ESPN

    http://espn.go.com/blog/st-louis-rams/post/_/id/18075/total-breakdown-rams-draft-ol-jamon-brown-in-third-round

    EARTH CITY, Mo. — A few quick thoughts on the St. Louis Rams’ third-round draft pick:

    The pick: Jamon Brown, OL, Louisville

    My take: The trend here is pretty obvious. The Rams want to run the ball at you and, preferably, over you, though I’m sure they’d settle for around you in a pinch. Like second-round pick Rob Havenstein, Brown is a big, physical mauler who should create plenty of holes for first-round running back Todd Gurley. Brown is listed at 6-foot-6 and 326 pounds, and though he started all 39 games in the past three seasons at tackle, he projects as a guard in the NFL. With Havenstein and Brown in the cart, the Rams have drastically re-made their offensive line with premium draft capital and demonstrated a serious commitment to having a dominant, power-running attack.

    Been around the block, Part II: If it sounds like Brown bears a striking resemblance to Havenstein in terms of size and what he brings to the table, it’s because he does. And, like Havenstein, Brown also has plenty of legitimate game experience. He started 39 consecutive games for the Cardinals during the past three seasons after starting his college career as a defensive tackle. He only allowed two sacks in 2014 on his way to second-team All-ACC honors.

    Pursuing Blalock: Much like Havenstein potentially altering the future of Joe Barksdale with the Rams, Brown’s addition could nudge aside another free-agent offensive lineman: guard Justin Blalock. St. Louis has expressed interest in Blalock, who played for current Rams offensive line coach Paul Boudreau in Atlanta, but Blalock has not been in a hurry to sign and remains on the market. But just because the Rams added Brown doesn’t mean they should pass on Blalock. The offensive line doesn’t have a veteran presence other than Rodger Saffold, and a player like Blalock would allow them to not only bring Brown along slowly, but provide guidance for the young linemen.

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