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  • in reply to: Gurley: "It looked like a middle-school offense out there," #60737
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    “I don’t care if we’re out the playoffs or not, I don’t care, just come up, show up and play,” said Gurley, who rushed for 61 yards and a touchdown in 16 carries. “That’s why we play this game. Show up and play.”

    Does Gurley feel everyone has been doing that?

    “I don’t. I really don’t,” he said. “Just going through the motions, I feel like everyone is just playing to get through.”

    Link: http://www.latimes.com/sports/rams/la-sp-rams-falcons-20161211-story.html

    There;s a huge dispute as to what he meant by that. Naturally some took “high school offense” as meaning the scheme and playcalling.

    But there’s this deep long tradition in the NFL according to which star players do not trash the coaches in public after a loss. I mean imagine Steven Jackson doing that, and he has been through worse seasons than this one.

    My own view was he was talking about execution. In fact later in the same interview he directly says so.

    (On if he thinks the losing falls on the coaches or players)

    “No, the coaches aren’t out there playing. The coaches don’t have anything to do with it. This is us. We’re on the field.”

    Here’s the entire interview:

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    Ag, for future reference, some of those in that last post would go in a “reporters” thread. This is the team interviews thread.

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    Postgame Interview with William Hayes

    Defensive end William Hayes talks with Rams reporter Dani Klupenger about each player holding themselves accountable for the team’s poor play.

    http://www.therams.com/videos/videos/Postgame-Interview-with-William-Hayes/fcc179de-d000-4ce5-991f-4107e1d4910f

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    I agree with your post-a lot! I know people that are friends but “I’ve given up discussing this stuff because of their partisanship polarization. And I’m just as sure they have given up on me for the same reason. So I ask : whatever happened to discourse. I do have a theory: We’ve been taught to take this stuff personally. When that happens there is no backing down because our own core is under attack. Like people over identifying with their favorite football team.

    Wish it were not so.

    There never was “discourse” W. That’s a myth. It has always been partisan clashing. You do it too. That’s sort of your main thing here, in fact.

    Do you think in the 20s when an avowed white supremacist was president and the KKK was at its height that there was “discourse”? How about during Vietnam?

    Etc.

    People are partisan because people are partisan. I mean you’re partisan. Why are YOU partisan? Same reason everyone else is.

    They have some deeply held beliefs about the world and when those are threatened they seek out conflict over it. Same as it always was.

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    Todd Gurley Trashes Rams’ Offense, Questions Team’s Effort

    link: http://ramblinfan.com/2016/12/11/todd-gurley-trashes-rams-offense/

    Los Angeles Rams running back Todd Gurley was pretty upset about the team’s offense after the Week 14 loss to the Atlanta Falcons.

    Todd Gurley is just as disgusted with the Los Angeles Rams offense as you are.

    It was another depressing showing for the Rams’ offense in Week 14, as the team was only able to muster up 14 points during the blowout loss to the Atlanta Falcons.

    In fact, the Rams scored their 14 points in garbage time, which is as good as being shut out in our opinion.

    After the game, Gurley trashed the team’s offense, according to the Los Angeles Times’ Lindsey Thiry:

    Lindsey Thiry ✔ @LindseyThiry
    “It looked like a middle school offense out there,” Todd Gurley says about the Rams.
    8:21 PM – 11 Dec 2016 · Los Angeles, CA

    And, in a showing of actual leadership that this team is sorely lacking, Gurley questioned his teammates’ effort:

    Lindsey Thiry ✔ @LindseyThiry
    Todd Gurley said he does not think everyone has been showing up to play, that people are going through the motions.

    Quotes like these are exactly what this team needs. Kudos to Gurley for calling out his teammates, who have clearly given up on this season before it is over after that putrid showing on Sunday.

    It’s just sad that a 22-year-old has figured this out before his 58-year-old head coach did.

    Granted, Gurley himself has had a disappointing season, but at least he’s speaking the truth and not making excuses, which is something his head coach has become a pro at doing.

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    There is talk, he would like to come back into the NFL. If the Rams decide to go elsewhere, with their front office, getting rid of Demoff and Snead. I’m thinking Polian would be a nice fit.

    That’s because it’s a familiar name to you. It honestly doesn;t mean anything more than that.

    If they actually were going to replace those guys (which I doubt) they would look at people we don’t know about.

    Unless you were one of the people who were talking up Keim and Schneider before they were hired by Arizona and Seattle, respectively.

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    NFL to tell teams cap will increase by $8 million to $10 million

    Mike Florio

    NFL to tell teams cap will increase by $8 million to $10 million

    On Wednesday, the league’s owners will meet in Dallas. And they’ll be told something that, if they’re reading this, they’ll already know.

    Specifically, owners will be told the salary cap will increase by $8 million to $10 million per year, according to Adam Schefter of ESPN. Currently, the cap sits at $155 million per team.

    In past years, the league has been accused of understating the expected growth of the cap. This dynamic often prompts teams to set their spending budgets based on lower numbers, which causes teams to spend less than they could.

    Yes, there’s a four-year, per-team, 89-percent spending minimum. But that means each team can pocket up to 11 percent of the available spending allotment, each and every year. At $155 million, that’s $17 million in pure profit that can be diverted from player spending.

    It becomes much easier to pocket profit if the teams are setting their budgets based on salary-cap projections that are lower than the spending limit actually will be.

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    Who has the edge? Rams (4-8) vs. Falcons (7-5)

    http://www.dailynews.com/sports/20161210/who-has-the-edge-rams-4-8-vs-falcons-7-5

    FALCONS (7-5) AT RAMS (4-8)

    When: Today, 1:25 p.m.

    Where: Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum

    Line: Falcons by 6.5

    TV/radio: Ch. 11; 710-AM, 100.3 FM and 1330 AM (Spanish)

    RAMS OFFENSE vs. FALCONS DEFENSE

    If not now, when? The Rams’ are ailing on offense. Running back Todd Gurley has yet to break 85 yards this season and quarterback Jared Goff has been good in small doses but remains in search of a breakout performance. It’s possible that it’s just not ever going to happen for the Rams’ offense, but this is a great opportunity. The Falcons allow 27.6 points per game, fourth-worst in the NFL, and 381.7 yards per game, the league’s sixth-worst average. Teams throw on the Falcons a lot (40.7 attempts per game), in part because Atlanta’s offense lends toward high-scoring games, and the Falcons have recorded only seven interceptions in 12 games. Goff missed a practice this week because of an apparent illness, but if he’s healthy and the Rams’ receivers can bounce back from their drop-fest last Sunday in New England, this could be Goff’s best chance to shine this season. Goff will have to keep one eye on linebacker Vic Beasley, who has recorded 10.5 sacks this season, second-most in the NFL. EDGE: RAMS

    FALCONS OFFENSE vs. RAMS DEFENSE

    After consecutive weeks of slicing and dicing by New Orleans’ Drew Brees and New England’s Tom Brady, the Rams now face Atlanta quarterback Matt Ryan. Ryan attempts 34.5 passes per game, on the low end for an elite quarterback, but leads the NFL with an average of 9.2 yards per attempt. He’s second in the league in passing yards (3,813) and third in touchdowns (27). The hope for the Rams is that Ryan has wobbled a bit of late, with four touchdowns and three interceptions in his last three games. If the Rams are to win this game, wisdom dictates that they’ll need to win the turnover battle. The Falcons have extraordinary offensive balance. They’ve passed the ball 284 times and run it 309. Running back Devonta Freeman, who had a 1,000-yard season in 2015, increasingly is sharing carries with Tevin Coleman. In last week’s loss to Kansas City, Freeman had 15 carries while Coleman had 12. Both backs are threats to catch the ball, and oh by the way, Atlanta also has NFL leading receiver Julio Jones. EDGE: FALCONS

    SPECIAL TEAMS

    Falcons kicker Matt Bryant is 41 years old but remains practically automatic. Bryant is 27 for 29 on field-goal attempts this season, with his only two misses coming from beyond 50 yards, and Bryant has missed only one of 38 extra-point attempts. Things continue to hum along nicely for Rams kicker Greg Zuerlein, but does he have some issues at the Coliseum? Zuerlein has made all six of his field-goal attempts on the road but has missed three of his 13 attempts at home. Rams punter Johnny Hekker added to his legend last week with a 76-yard punt, to go with his 78-yarder three weeks prior in New York. The Falcons have yet to return a kickoff or punt for a touchdown this season, while the Rams could get a boost with the return of returner Tavon Austin, who missed last week with a chest injury. Look for rookies Michael Thomas and Pharoh Cooper to get increased work on the Rams’ kickoff team. EDGE: FALCONS

    COACHING

    Things are getting increasingly weird for the Rams’ Jeff Fisher. He went from a public spat with Eric Dickerson to leaked news of a two-year contract extension to odd comments about his own general manager, Les Snead, that he had to re-explain. If the Rams lose this game, Fisher will finish with a losing record for a sixth consecutive season. Atlanta’s Dan Quinn, former defensive coordinator under Pete Carroll in Seattle, is nearing the end of his second season. It’s been an odd, brief tenure. The Falcons started 5-0 under Quinn last season, then suffered a 1-7 midseason stretch and missed the playoffs. Is history repeating? The Falcons started 4-1 this season but are 3-4 since and have dropped two of their last three. Quinn has a defensive background but the Falcons have thrived under 36-year-old offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan (son of Mike Shanahan), who is in his second season. EDGE: FALCONS

    INTANGIBLES

    Good teams force turnovers and the Rams, well, they do not. They did at one point this season. Through the first four games of the season, the Rams had four interceptions and five fumble recoveries. They also had a 3-1 record. In their last eight games, they’ve recorded only two interceptions and two fumble recoveries, and they went 1-7 in those games. The Rams have a minus-6 turnover margin, tied for sixth-worst in the NFL. The Falcons are in the league’s upper half, with a plus-3 margin. Will there be any road rust for Atlanta? The Falcons played consecutive home games and also had a bye week, so they haven’t been on the road since Nov. 13 and haven’t left their time zone since Oct. 16. EDGE: FALCONS

    MATCHUP TO WATCH

    Rams LB Alec Ogletree vs. Falcons RB Devonta Freeman: Falcons receivers Julio Jones and Mohamed Sanu have been banged up, and third third-leading receiver is Freeman, who has caught 37 balls out of the backfield and scored two touchdowns. Ogletree has good ball awareness and excellent speed from sideline to sideline, but the Rams are only two weeks removed from getting beat by New Orleans on a couple notable screen passes. Of course, Ogletree also must keep an eye on Freeman carrying the ball. Freeman is a 5-foot-8, 206-pound bowling ball who averages 4.5 yards per carry, and even though he’s been held in check, yardage-wise, in his last two games, he has four touchdowns in his last 31 carries.

    PREDICTION: FALCONS 28, RAMS 24

    A loss officially would eliminate the Rams from playoff contention and doom them to their 10th consecutive losing season. That’s remarkable, but there is a path to victory for the Rams. They would have to emulate Philadelphia, which succeeded with an aggressive defense and beat Atlanta 24-15 last month. It’s tough to see the Rams winning a shootout, because where’s the evidence that it’s possible? More likely, the Rams will show some spark offensively, and Goff will have a strong game in his fourth NFL start, but once again the Rams will be in a close game in the fourth quarter and come up short. The Rams might have a chance if they can force multiple turnovers, but they haven’t done that since Oct. 2.

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    Johnny Hekker Is The Punter Every Punter Wants To Be

    Dom Cosentino

    I know he’s “just the punter” but there’s a lot of amazing stuff in that article.

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    Rams hope to quiet Falcons’ high-flying offense, and all the noise from recent controversies

    Gary Klein

    http://www.latimes.com/sports/rams/la-sp-rams-falcons-20161210-story.html

    The last time the Rams played at home, quarterback Jared Goff was debuting and rain was falling at the Coliseum.

    Goff, the No. 1 pick in the draft, has matured in the three weeks since, but as the Rams prepared for Sunday’s game against the Atlanta Falcons there was a sense the sky was falling for an organization that suddenly cannot escape week-to-week controversy and melodrama.

    Two things seem certain: Hall of Famer Eric Dickerson will not be on the sideline Sunday, and any pregame handshakes or exchanges between Rams Coach Jeff Fisher and General Manager Les Snead will not escape scrutiny.

    Dickerson, openly critical of the team and miffed by a phone call from Fisher that was spurred by Dickerson’s request for extra sideline passes, has said he will not attend games as long as Fisher is the coach.

    Fisher and Snead, recipients of two-year contract extensions yet to be publicly acknowledged by the Rams, spent Friday separately disputing a report that described a rift between them and a “toxic” relationship.

    “Our focus is on Atlanta right now,” Fisher said after answering several questions about the situation, but it is difficult to fathom how the Rams could not be distracted.

    The string of controversies had its genesis in the Rams’ Nov. 20 home game against Miami, a 14-10 defeat that served as the flashpoint for the Dickerson saga.

    The Rams got blown out the next week at New Orleans, the Dickerson tempest coming to light the next day and raging until the eve of the Rams’ departure for New England.

    Then, on the bus ride to Gillette Stadium last Sunday, Rams players and employees learned via Twitter that Fisher and Snead had received contract extensions. The Rams lost, 26-10, to the Patriots and fell to 4-8 with the NFL’s worst and lowest-scoring offense.

    Now, here come the Falcons, the NFL’s highest-scoring team.

    Rams executive Kevin Demoff said before the loss to the Patriots that the Rams must show “hope for next year.”

    Sunday’s game is the start of a four-game stretch that includes a Thursday night game at Seattle and then home games against the San Francisco 49ers and Arizona Cardinals.

    The Rams must win every game to finish .500 for the first time since 2006 and avoid a 13th consecutive non-winning season.

    So the final quarter of the season could serve as a final job-saving push for the embattled Fisher, who in his 22nd season is one defeat from tying Dan Reeves for the most career losses in NFL history.

    The Falcons arrive with an offense overseen by Kyle Shanahan, a coordinator regarded as part of the possible next wave of NFL head coaches.

    Quarterback Matt Ryan leads a team that is 7-5 and tied for first place with Tampa Bay in the NFC South.

    A Rams defense that could not control New Orleans quarterback Drew Brees but did a fairly good job against the Patriots’ Tom Brady must try to contain Ryan, a ninth-year pro who has delivered touchdown passes to 11 receivers.

    The Rams’ pass rush could be buoyed by end Robert Quinn’s return from a concussion.

    But Ryan, like Brees and Brady, has “seen every disguise known to man,” Rams defensive coordinator Gregg Williams said.

    Rams cornerback Trumaine Johnson is expected to shadow Falcons star receiver Julio Jones, who has been playing through a toe injury and is listed as questionable. Jones has 72 receptions for an NFL-best 1,253 yards.

    “He kind of knows what I’m thinking, and he knows how I see things,” Ryan said of Jones. “I know his body language really well, and I trust him to make plays.”

    The Falcons offense might be slowed by the absence of receiver Mohamed Sanu, sidelined because of a groin injury.

    But even if the Rams keep the Falcons under their 32.2-points-per-game average, they must find a way to score enough to win. That will be a challenge for a team averaging only 15 points a game.

    Goff has passed for four touchdowns, with three interceptions, and appears to be gaining confidence with each start.

    In his debut against Miami, he got only one opportunity to throw downfield. There were more attempts against the Saints, and he completed a 66-yard pass against the Patriots.

    Goff missed Wednesday’s workout because of a stomach ailment but he practiced Friday and said he would be ready for the Falcons.

    As he goes into his fourth start, he said he was fully adjusted to NFL speed.

    “After the Miami game, I was done with that,” he said. “It felt good against New Orleans, and really felt good against the Patriots.”

    He will surely feel even better if he gets his first NFL win. And quiets, at least for a few hours, the controversies surrounding the franchise.

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    Snead, unlike Fisher, is owning his mistakes and laying out ideas and changes to limit them moving forward.

    Man, regardless what happens to JF and LS, I don’t get much out of VB’s stuff like what I quote here. JF straightforwardly said “we have to do a better job on personnel.” Since he’s involved in personnel, he was tarring his own self with that brush too.

    Snead didn’t say anything new.

    But a coach prepping a team for a game should include a dose of optimism in what he says. I am not sure what VB doesn’t understand about that.

    Bernie the 2nd.

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    The answers to most of those questions are need to know, and you, and the general public including me, don’t need to know. Say what you want about Connecticut Yankees, we do have an almost British respect for privacy (and piracy too).

    Really, almost all of those decisions were made to respect the families of the dead. I watched it unfold, almost everyone in the town supported and agreed with every one.

    Plus bnw’s stuff only makes sense to someone outside the reality who is criminalizing the victims because they (ie the outsiders) have a partisan agenda, instead of accepting that what happened, happened.

    The equivalent would be asking everyone killed in the Boston Marathon bombing to prove they actually died of a bombing. No one is going to ask that. Then why ask the equivalent with Sandy Hook? Well because asking in the first place is just this badly misguided agenda-driven conspiracy theory thing.

    To be consistent you would have to ask the same of the Boston Marathon but there is no agenda-group out there that would do that.

    Partisan thinking always gets twisted up that way.

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    Johnny Hekker Is The Punter Every Punter Wants To Be

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    http://deadspin.com/johnny-hekker-is-the-punter-every-punter-wants-to-be-1789931094

    The best thing about the Los Angeles Rams isn’t Aaron Donald and the defensive line, or laughing at Jeff Fisher and his endless quest to perfect mediocrity. Nope. The best thing about the Rams is their punter.

    The Rams are 4-8 and losers of seven of eight. They have the NFL’s lowest-ranked offensive DVOA. They somehow lost to the 49ers by four touchdowns, which ought not to be possible. But they have Johnny Hekker, and Johnny Hekker is having maybe the best season of any punter, ever. It was easy to chortle when Fisher declared the other day that the Rams are “on a record-setting pace with our punt team.” But he wasn’t wrong. Hekker, an undrafted free agent in 2012 and two-time All-Pro, really is that good.

    Hekker’s average of 47.5 yards per punt ranks seventh in the league, but that’s a meaningless stat: Punters are often charged with landing punts inside the 20 (touchbacks are bad for punters), kicking high enough to help their coverage, and angling the ball directionally, sometimes to keep it away from returners. The goal is to maximize field position; it isn’t always just to blast the ball out of the stadium. Though Hekker can damn well do that, too.

    Any way you look at, Hekker has been sensational this year. His net average, which takes returns and touchbacks into consideration, is 45.8 yards. How good is that? As Pro Football Talk noted the other day, the league record—set by Hekker in 2013—is a mere 44.2 yards. And that total is still the only time a punter has finished a season with a net average greater than 44 yards.

    Hekker also has 40 punts inside the 20-yard line, nine more than any other punter this season, and just six shy of the NFL record. Football Outsiders provided even more context by noting that Hekker has landed 56 percent of his punts inside the 20, and that Andy Lee of the Panthers is the only other punter above 50 percent. Not only that, but Hekker has just one touchback, and his touchback rate is a minuscule 1.4 percent. By way of comparison, the Colts’ Pat McAfee, the league leader in yards per punt at 50.0, has a touchback rate of 18.2 percent.

    Hekker can seemingly put the ball wherever he wants.

    “To have both distance punting and directional punting—some guys have one or the other, but it’s somewhat rare to see both on a very high level,” former Vikings punter Chris Kluwe told me. “He has the ability to hit that 50-, 55-yarder with 5.0 (second) hang time, which is key; that’s obviously a very handy skill to have. He’s also one of those guys in that he can directional punt while he’s doing it. In terms of being able to just put it over by the numbers, with hang time, that makes it easier for his coverage guys to get down there and get the ball.”

    This, too, can be quantified: The Rams have given up an average of just 3.7 yards per punt return this season, the best total in the league. Only the Patriots (96) have given up fewer total punt return yards than the Rams (101)—and the Pats have punted 20 fewer times than the Rams.* The Rams’ opponents’ start their drives with an average line of scrimmage of the 25.49; only the Colts’ (25.46) and Patriots’ opponents (24.33) start with worse field position. And wouldn’t you know it: Bill Belichick is a huge Hekker fan. In the run-up to last week’s Rams-Pats game, Belichick wouldn’t stop gushing about Hekker:

    “Hekker is a tremendous weapon,” Belichick said, unprovoked. “I mean, this guy is as good a player as I’ve ever seen at that position. He’s a tremendous weapon in his ability to punt the ball, punt it inside the 20, directional kick it, involved in fakes, can throw, can run, very athletic … He’s dangerous. Absolutely. He’s like a quarterback. He can throw. He can run. You gotta defend him like you defend one of those guys.”

    That athleticism Belichick was referring to? Hekker is a former high school quarterback who two years ago was involved in one of the ballsier fake punts in recent memory. Interestingly, Hekker also won the job at Oregon State after walking on, beating out a punter who later transferred to Louisiana Tech. That punter was Ryan Allen, an eventual two-time Ray Guy Award winner who’s been with the Patriots since 2013.

    Hekker ranks third in the league with 27 fair catches on his punts. He’s tied for fifth with eight punts out of bounds, and tied for seventh with nine punts downed. That means 61.1 percent of his punts have not been returned. But even when they have been returned, Hekker hasn’t made it easy. Here’s more Belichick on Hekker, via CSN New England:

    “Another part of the problem is just catching the ball. He kicks it so far and makes the returner move for it. They run over there, they mishandle it, or it hits the ground and rolls for another 20 yards. It’s a tough ball to catch because you’re not just shagging flies out there. He’s making you run, and he’s kicking it over your head.”

    […]

    “It changes field position [in] one play. You think you’re going to get the ball with good field position and you’re at the 15-yard line.”

    Punting often seems like a routine play, so it’s remarkable to see what this looks like when a master does it. Belichick got a first-hand glimpse on Sunday, long after the outcome was no longer in doubt, when Hekker belted a 76-yard punt in the fourth quarter that sent return man Cyrus Jones scurrying some 25 yards backward to get it. It was Hekker’s third punt of 70 or more yards this season:

    In Week 10, the Rams and Jets spent three hours farting into their hands until Hekker, with the line of scrimmage at his own 17, did this. That’s a 78-yard punt, entirely through the air, in case you were wondering:

    Instead of decent field position, the Jets took over at their own 15. They promptly went three-and-out, and instead it was the Rams who got the ball at midfield. Within minutes, L.A. kicked a field goal that proved to be the final margin in a 9-6 win.

    Hekker directly affected a win in Week 2, when the Rams upset the Seahawks, 9-3. He averaged just 39.5 yards per punt that day, but all six of his kicks landed inside the 20. And during the the third quarter of a tie game in Week 7, when Fisher had the Rams punt from the Giants’ 41—that weird no man’s land where teams will often go for it because punts from there usually only net a couple dozen yards—Hekker dropped the ball at the 3, and got it to bounce straight up:

    I asked Chris Kluwe how hard that was. Kluwe, who spent eight seasons in the league, was a traditional-style punter because that’s how he learned. But Aussie-style punters like Hekker have become increasingly common in recent years, at every level. With the Aussie style, punters drop the ball vertically when making the kick, with the nose facing the ground. According to Kluwe, Aussie-style punters “definitely have an advantage” with situational punts because of the way those kicks tend to get the ball to bounce backward upon landing.

    Also: “Even if you hit it as hard as you can, the ball is never going to go more than, like, 44 yards or so,” Kluwe said.

    And this can be more effective than trying to angle a punt toward the sideline, which requires less leg power; Kluwe estimated that the so-called “coffin corner” approach uses just 60-to-70 percent leg power, but that by not swinging through the ball, it increases a punter’s chances of making a mistake.

    With the Aussie approach, Kluwe said, punters connect with the ball at “not quite full speed, but close enough,” and that they can “swing through, just like a normal punt.” Hekker, Kluwe added, has “obviously mastered that very well, to where he’s calibrated it in to drop it right around the 9-, 8-yard line. That either forces a fair catch, or if he’s hitting it toward the sidelines, he can just hit it, and trust that the ball with either bounce backwards, or it’ll hit and go out of bounds if he’s hitting it in the right direction.”

    The Rams’ offensive ineptitude has also helped Hekker. In addition to being dead last in offensive DVOA, they average just 24.51 yards per drive, which ranks dead last and is well short of the league average of 32.04. They’re also dead last in third-down efficiency (32.5 percent). As a result, Hekker has attempted 72 punts—tied for most in the league with the Niners’ Bradley Pinion—and he’s getting a lot of long-field opportunities.

    “That’s definitely helping his numbers this year,” Kluwe said, “to know that they’re going three-and-out on their own 30 or their own 20, so he can just crush it.”

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    well then i would argue that the type of qb you’re expecting goff to be is something more than just your run of the mill franchise qb.

    Actually I am not arguing that.

    I am arguing something quite different.

    I am arguing that a lot of what makes it SEEM like the Rams are deficient in terms of personnel all through the entire offense is that we have seen this bunch with nothing but a melted down qb, a #2 caliber qb, and a rookie.

    When Goff can do more than he currently does then defenses will have to defend more of the field, and things will look more promising.

    NOT GSOT…but better.

    AND that’s just is if Goff is reasonably good. Not elite. Just reasonably good.

    BTW if we disagree, that’s fine.

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    i don’t agree. we said before the season as long as the defense was sound. as long as the offensive line was good. and the running game was good. the rams could win.

    we found out that the running game, the offensive line, and the defense were not good. goff ain’t gonna fix that by himself unless he’s elite.

    we’ll just have to disagree.

    Yeah I know, we just disagree. See to me the run and the OL would all be a few notches better if they had a starting caliber qb. Now they have a rookie.

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    I am also concerned about Quinn. I am delighted that draft is deep there, but not delighted that the Rams don’t have a 1st round pick.

    Well I am saying what I am saying about DE in this draft because this coming draft is THAT deep at DE.

    Some are saying it’s the best DE draft they can remember. There will be starters deep after the 1st round.

    And that’s reasonable. If you look at the list of top pass-rushing 4-3 DEs, most are NOT from the first round.

    My bet is they get 2 starting caliber DEs out of this draft. Whether or not they do is a matter of making an effort…because this draft is just stocked.

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    well then i would argue that the type of qb you’re expecting goff to be is something more than just your run of the mill franchise qb.

    Actually I am not arguing that.

    I am arguing something quite different.

    I am arguing that a lot of what makes it SEEM like the Rams are deficient in terms of personnel all through the entire offense is that we have seen this bunch with nothing but a melted down qb, a #2 caliber qb, and a rookie.

    When Goff can do more than he currently does then defenses will have to defend more of the field, and things will look more promising.

    NOT GSOT…but better.

    AND that’s just is if Goff is reasonably good. Not elite. Just reasonably good.

    BTW if we disagree, that’s fine.

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    And IMO if Goff develops, they can get away with what they have at receiver.

    if they can build a top offensive line and if gurley can come back.

    and if the defense can replace quinn which is much easier said.

    actually all of that is easier said.

    See I still don’t agree. (I know, this is just one last slugfest in years of bitter war between we 2). (Kidding.)

    IMO –if Goff improves, he improves those other things too…at least to an appreciable extent.

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    i have doubts about the future of this defense. quinn is not who he was. outside of donald, i think there are question marks on this defensive line. except for maybe brockers.

    the secondary is also a big question mark. they haven’t been able to replace jj and mcleod adequately. maybe they’re able to develop some younger guys.

    and ryan unlike goff has julio jones and an excellent offensive line. in retrospect perhaps the rams should have drafted matthews instead and left grob for the falcons. or maybe boudreau needs to go.

    the rams are going to have to revamp that offensive line and get some real targets. or at least one legitimate superstar target for goff. OR. maybe gurley bounces back and becomes the superstar running back we thought he was. i’m hoping this was a sophomore slump, and he refocuses and gets back on track. a matt ryan caliber qb with a superstar running back would be hard to stop. but again you need a top offensive line. which the falcons have but the rams sorely lack.

    Your view of the immediate future is much darker than mine.

    I am not worried about Quinn, for example. As I said, this is the deepest DE draft anyone can remember. They will come away with 2, one for each side.

    And IMO if Goff develops, they can get away with what they have at receiver.

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    zn is right

    I’m pretty familiar with the English language, yet I don’t recall seeing that combination of words.

    It’s odd.

    I’ll try, my turn.

    Pumpkin zooms galaxy.

    Hey this is fun.

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    It;s looking more and more like he could be staying. That story is far from written yet but that’s how it looks to me right now.

    In terms of the offense this year, which is what mostly held them back, I will say it again cause this is my strongest conviction on all this—

    if Goff progresses no matter who the coach is, he will be fine

    if Goff doesn’t progress, no matter who the coach is, they will struggle

    MEANWHILE the great draft needs appear to be on the defense. It’s an unbelievably strong draft year for DEs, and they could use 2 DEs. Quinn may have to play in rotation and Hayes may have reached his expiration date.

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    “They’re both very accurate passers with good size,” one NFL executive said.

    “Talent-wise, they’re very similar,” said another.

    Here’s how you want to frame this IMO. It’s not physical talent. (Though they ARE very similar in that respect.)

    It’s 2 things.

    1. When he develops, can Goff be more “clutch” than Ryan has been in big games and the playoffs?

    2. That aside, how would Ryan look on a team with a good defense? Put him on last year’s Broncos. Does Denver trip up and fail with Ryan? I doubt it.

    So that’s your measure. If Goff develops as expected and is more clutch than Ryan has been, then “looking like” Ryan as a physical talent is only one part of it.

    And any comparisons with Ryan have to add in the fact that Ryan (with one exception maybe) has never had a season with a top or even very good defense. The Rams do promise to have that.

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    Les Snead defines relationship with Jeff Fisher as ‘really good’

    Alden Gonzalez

    http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/18244334/les-snead-los-angeles-rams-general-manager-disputes-reports-tension-jeff-fisher

    THOUSAND OAKS, Calif. — Los Angeles Rams general manager Les Snead and coach Jeff Fisher “don’t go hunting and fishing together.” Snead said as much on Friday morning, in the wake of reports describing ongoing tension between the two, and immediately realized how that statement would play.

    “If you write that,” Snead said, smiling, “you have to finish it.”

    Snead went on to say he considers himself “the only guy from Alabama who doesn’t hunt and fish.” Fisher is from Southern California, but he loves the outdoors in that sense. So Snead always tells Fisher that they act as if they are from each other’s birthplaces.

    Now, as for their relationship?

    “I’m well-aware of what has come out, and I can say this — I think it’s painted a picture totally different,” Snead said. “Relationship’s really good. We’ve worked together from the start, in every decision, every decision that’s made. Especially from a personnel standpoint.”

    Snead was reacting mostly to a story on MMQB.com that called the relationship between the two “toxic” and quoted unnamed sources in referring to their dynamics as “junior high.” Snead called that report “very false” and “definitely inaccurate” while meeting with reporters a few minutes before Friday’s practice, and Fisher echoed the same sentiments shortly after his team wrapped up.

    “I don’t know where this came from,” Fisher said. “Les and I have been on the same page since day one. We communicate all the time; we work together; we make decisions together. I don’t know where it’s coming from. I’ll find out.”

    Snead and Fisher were entering the final year of their original contracts, but both received extensions through the 2018 season.

    The news leaked Sunday morning, though the organization was clearly hopeful of avoiding an announcement until season’s end. Fisher confirmed his own extension after Sunday’s 26-10 loss to the New England Patriots but said Tuesday that he was “unaware” Snead also received an extension.

    “I’m so busy here,” Fisher said then, “I was honestly unaware that he was extended.”

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    A Rams’ Jeff Fisher and Les Snead talk openly about so-called ‘Toxic’ Relationship

    http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/sports/LA-Rams-Jeff-Fisher-and-Les-Snead-talk-openly-about-so-called-Toxic-Relationship-405708095.html

    NFL GM Les Snead and NFL head coach Jeff Fisher attend The ESPYS in Los Angeles. On Friday, they openly discussed their relationship which reportedly was called “toxic.”
    Sometimes the most toxic people in your life are disguised as your family.
    That’s logically the case with Los Angeles general manager Les Snead and head coach Jeff Fisher who have become family after an arranged marriage by Rams’ owner Stan Kroenke brought them together in 2012.

    Kroenke cleaned house of the then St. Louis Rams after the 2011 season, firing both head coach Steve Spagnuolo and general manager Billy Devaney on the same day.
    Since then, Fisher and Snead have had their ups and downs over the last four seasons, but things exploded on Thursday when a MMQB story by Albert Breer on SI.comstated that things between Fisher and Snead were “toxic,” and that the Rams practice facility in Thousand Oaks, CA was a “junior high” atmosphere.

    Both Fisher and Snead disputed that report on Friday morning and vowed to find the “anonymous source,” that was quoted in the Breer article.
    “I don’t know where it’s coming from, but I’ll find out,” said Fisher. “In our business, unnamed sources, they’re not good. If we’ve got sources from within the organization that are speaking, then we’ll address it. But there are no issues between Les and I.”

    Snead ushered the same sentiment when he met with reporters about an hour before Fisher did.
    “The working relationship is good,” Snead said.
    Was Jeff Fisher Justified in Eric Dickerson Ban?
    Fisher and Snead each received two-year contract extensions before the season began, but an announcement didn’t come until last Sunday morning before the Rams faced the New England Patriots in Foxborough.
    Fisher was asked about Snead’s extension after practice on Tuesday and he told reporters that he was “honestly, unaware,” that his GM of the last four years had received an extension and added “we need to do a better job from a personnel standpoint,” a comment that the media took as a jab at Snead.
    LA Rams Feud With Eric Dickerson Reaches Fever Pitch
    However, Snead saw the comments and said that he did not take them personally.
    “I didn’t blow it out of proportion in any way,” said Snead. “I realized we were in the same boat as far as getting extensions.”
    LA Rams Future Looks Eerily Similar to Past
    As for the comments about a “junior high” environment at the facility, Fisher said those came from the “writer or editor” of the story and did not believe that anyone in the organization feels that way.
    “I don’t know where that’s coming from, but I don’t pay as close attention to those things as you do because I’m more concerned about the Falcons,” said Fisher. “But I’ll just say this again, Les and I are fine. We work together. We talk every day. ”
    For now, Fisher and Snead are focused on football and snapping a three-game losing streak by beating the Atlanta Falcons at the Coliseum on Sunday, but the witch hunt for the unnamed source within the organization has officially begun amidst the dramatic Hollywood backdrop that has become the 2016 Rams season.

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    5 things to know about the Falcons on Friday

    5 things to know about the Falcons on Friday

    FLOWERY BRANCH — The Falcons (7-5) are set to face the Los Angeles Rams (4-8) at 4:25 p.m. Sunday at the Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum.

    Here are five things to know about the Falcons on Friday:

    1. Injury watch. We fully expect the Falcons to declare wide receivers Julio Jones (turf toe) and Mohamed Sanu (groin) out for Sunday when the team releases their final injury report today. Even if they don’t do it today, we don’t expect them to play of Sunday. If Jones plays, he’ll be a decoy. Left tackle Jake Matthews (sprained knee) was moving well on the sidelines on Thursday and appears to have a chance to play.

    2. 2017 Free agent class. With the signings of right tackle Ryan Schraeder and cornerback Robert Alford to contract extensions, here are the team’s prospective unrestricted free agents for 2017: defensive tackle Jonathan Babineaux, quarterback Matt Schaub, linebacker Paul Worrilow, offensive guard Chris Chester, tight end Jacob Tamme, linebacker Sean Weatherspoon, defensive tackle Courtney Upshaw, special teamer Eric Weems, defensive end Dwight Freeney, linebacker Philip Wheeler, offensive tackle Tom Compton, fullback Patrick DiMarco, linebacker LaRoy Reynolds, wide receiver Aldrick Robinson, cornerback Blidi Wreh-Wilson, tight end Levine Toilolo and safety Kemal Ishmael. Toilolo and DiMarco would appear to be the next in line for extensions. Worrilow, after being demoting, may want to test the open market. Perhaps they might want to reward Upshaw for his play and the rest you can take care of in the offseason. Of course, the interesting one is long-timer Babineaux, who may want to carry on after collecting all of $25 million of his last contract. Also, the team has the fifth-year option on cornerback Desmond Trufant and can do his extension next season. “For sure, Tru totally embodies all the things that we’re looking for in terms of the effort and strain of how we can play,” Falcons coach Dan Quinn said. “It even showed for him like he was trying like crazy to come back even with his injury just to see if he could make it. We’re hopeful that he’ll be with it for the long term as well.”

    3. Series record. This will be the 77th regular-season meeting between the Falcons and the Rams, former division foes in the old NFC West. The Rams lead 47-27-2. The Falcons won the last meeting with the St. Louis Rams 31-24 on Sept. 15, 2013. The Falcons won their last game against the Rams in Los Angeles, an 8-5 win on Oct. 2, 1994.

    4. Tale of the tape. Here’s how the Falcons and Rams matchup statisically:

    2016 Regular Season Statistics Rankings
    Falcons Rams
    32.2 (1) Points/Game 23.4 (32)
    412.0 (3) Total Offense 333.3 (32)
    110.0 (9) Net Rushing Yards/Game 98.8 (30)
    302.0 (3) Net Passing Yards/Game 234.6 (29)
    29:47 (20) Possession Average 29:26 (25)
    27.6 (29) Opponent Points/Game 21.8 (15)
    381.7 (27) Opponent Total Offense 345.0 (10)
    100.8 (15) Opp. Rushing Yards/Game 114.0 (21)
    280.8 (32) Opp. Passing Yards/Game 231.0 (9t)
    +3 (11t) Turnover Differential -6 (26t)

    5. Depth chart. Here’s a look at the official depth chart for the Rams’ game.

    OFFENSE

    WR 11 Julio Jones, 16 Justin Hardy, 14 Eric Weems
    LT 70 Jake Matthews, 76 Tom Compton
    LG 67 Andy Levitre, 63 Ben Garland
    C 51 Alex Mack, 63 Ben Garland

    RG 65 Chris Chester, 71 Wes Schweitzer
    RT 73 Ryan Schraeder, 76 Tom Compton, 66 Kevin Graf
    TE 81 Austin Hooper, 80 Levine Toilolo, 82 Joshua Perkins
    WR 12 Mohamed Sanu, 18 Taylor Gabriel, 19 Aldrick Robinson
    QB 2 Matt Ryan, 8 Matt Schaub
    RB 24 Devonta Freeman, 26 Tevin Coleman, 28 Terron Ward
    FB 42 Patrick DiMarco
    DEFENSE
    DE 50 Brooks Reed, 99 Adrian Clayborn, 93 Dwight Freeney
    DT 95 Jonathan Babineaux
    DT 97 Grady Jarrett, 91 Courtney Upshaw
    DE 94 Tyson Jackson, 77 Ra’Shede Hageman, 54 Malliciah Goodman
    LB 44 Vic Beasley Jr., 41 Philip Wheeler
    LB 45 Deion Jones, 55 Paul Worrilow, 53 LaRoy Reynolds
    LB 59 De’Vondre Campbell
    CB 23 Robert Alford, 29 C.J. Goodwin, 38 B. W. Wilson
    CB 32 Jalen Collins, 34 Brian Poole, 30 Deji Olatoye
    S 37 Ricardo Allen, 27 Robenson Therezie, 20 Sharrod Neasman
    S 22 Keanu Neal, 36 Kemal Ishmael
    SPECIALISTS
    K 3 Matt Bryant
    KO 5 Matt Bosher
    P 5 Matt Bosher
    KR 14 Eric Weems, 16 Justin Hardy
    PR 14 Eric Weems, 16 Justin Hardy
    LS 47 Josh Harris
    H 5 Matt Bosher

    in reply to: Rams Junior High: Inside a Dysfunctional Front Office #60627
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    I don’t think anything got decided that Fisher did not approve, except drafting Goff. That came from higher up. imo
    I don’t think Fisher farms that stuff out and I really don’t believe anything Fisher says when it comes to stuff that might or might not be true. But, this is all my opinion. If you have a different one. Fine. I did stuff to my satisfaction. That may or may not satisfy others.

    We may be talking past each other a bit here. I know Fisher’s in charge…of that I have no doubt. But he does not actually do the scouting work, so he can’t make informed decisions about a 5th round guard on his own. He said that himself, in 2012. My approach, always, to front office structure and organization issues is completely neutral. I am never out to exonerate or blame someone…I am just interested in how the structure works. Plus I do not see Fisher as having thrown Snead under the bus. When JF says we have to do a better job with personnel he means himself too. He might ALSO mean that things like the differences between Morton and the coaches is something they have to move beyond or fix in some way.

    So I wasn;t disagreeing with you, ag…just discussing and exploring. Different people remember different things so it helps if everyone pitches in their 2 cents.

    Either way, details aside, if it gets boiled down to one simple statement, the situation the Rams have is like Seattle—the coach is the final say, and the GM ultimately defers to him.

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    the friction between parties is caused by differences between asst. coaches and Taylor Morton, Director/Player Personnel. Morton seems to rub people the wrong way. I have read that somewhere.

    BREER: As for the personnel side, their retort is swift. After jettisoning Brian Schottenheimer after the 2014 season, Fisher has chosen two first-time offensive coordinators who proved to be in over their heads, and offensive line development has been sparse behind line coach Paul Boudreau. (The coaches have similar complaints on Snead’s right-hand man, director of player personnel Taylor Morton.) The personnel side will acknowledge the team needs more help there, and at corner and receiver, but point out that losing players like cornerback Janoris Jenkins wasn’t their call. (Coaches will tell you they wanted Jenkins back too.)

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    I am not partisan or any other label. I question the “science” behind man made global warming. I don’t think it holds up.

    You know I wasn’t referring to you.

    Anyway, we disagree, and profoundly, on the science on global warming.

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    MATCHUP TO WATCH: DT DONALD VS. FALCONS’ INTERIOR OL

    Andrew Hirsh

    http://www.atlantafalcons.com/news/blog/article-1/Matchup-to-Watch-DT-Donald-vs-Falcons-Interior-OL/4d548c8d-c1db-473c-9695-b5a768ee5168

    A strong argument can be made that Aaron Donald is the best defensive player in football. The Rams DT was the 2015 Defensive Player of the Year, after all, and in 2016, his numbers remain stout: In addition to notching six sacks and two forced fumbles this season, he has earned 25 QB hits and 15 tackles for loss – both league-highs, per NFL Game States and Information.
    “Coming out of Pittsburgh you saw the speed and quickness that he played with,” head coach Dan Quinn said. “He plays really strong and really violent. He’s not 320 pounds, but he has real strength especially in his upper body where he can get his hands on you, he can throw, change gaps quickly and he’s got very good initial quickness. It’s not surprising to see him sometimes line up as an end, and he can do that as well based on the speed that he has. I’d say it’s a combination of the quickness and power that he plays with.”

    Because Donald has the speed and strength to line up at various spots, multiple offensive linemen will need to worry about him on Sunday afternoon. One of those players is guard Andy Levitre, who compared the two-time Pro Bowler to Buccaneers star and familiar foe Gerald McCoy.

    “Him and McCoy have a similar get-off,” Levitre said. “They’re quick off the ball. He just gets in the backfield a lot. He’s good at timing off the count, getting off the ball. He’s got a good first couple steps. He’s got some power to him, too. He can toss guys around, too, hit them with his hands. He’s got a lot of good tools to use.”

    Another Falcon who will be tasked with blocking Donald is Alex Mack. The veteran center has brought stability to Atlanta’s offensive line in 2016, and as the leader up front, his pre-snap adjustments could go a long way towards neutralizing LA’s inside push.

    Through 12 games, Mack has given up just two sacks and three quarterback hits, according to Pro Football Focus.

    “You know, I’m just really impressed (with Mack),” Rams head coach Jeff Fisher told AtlantaFalcons.com Wednesday. “We’re early in the preparation week, but just really impressed with his quickness, his strength, his leverage, the ability to get down to the second level, his ability to help the guards.

    “It’s really the first time I’ve really studied him in a few years, and he’s got some really good players lined up next to him as well. I’m really impressed with how the offensive line is playing.”

    Donald has been playing some of his best football of late. In the last five weeks, he’s recorded 26 pressures, 11 tackles, 10 stops against the run and three sacks. His pressure and stop totals are first and second among DTs in that span, respectively.

    While the Falcons understand Donald will present a tough challenge, they haven’t altered their routine to get ready for a talented opponent. Instead, the focus, as always, remains on what Atlanta can control.

    “You have to prepare your best game. It really comes down to how we do, the technique we play with,” Levitre said. “So, I give him a lot of credit – he’s a great player, don’t get me wrong – but I think it’s going to come down to how well we play.”

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    Read other sources with an open mind. Question things. You question climate science. Question this to the level you do that.

    Some people are so seriously and deeply partisan that those are wasted words. No one “questioned” climate science, they bought into a partisan view of it. And on the other stuff you say to question–it will be the same thing. Partisan first. Partisan uber alles.

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    Very good points. What other team would keep Saffold around as long as the Rams?

    But RS was playing well before he went out.

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