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  • #1831
    zn
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    #1833
    zn
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    ajhicks11

    Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:56 pm

    On First Take earlier today they had former Seahawk Michael Robinson on the show. He said he thinks the Hawks can win the West again but said “You heard it here first. Watch out for the Rams!”

    #1835
    zn
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    Michael Robinson calls Sam Bradford ‘soft’

    By Ryan Van Bibber

    http://www.turfshowtimes.com/2014/7/16/5909299/michael-robinson-calls-sam-bradford-soft

    The former Seahawks fullback had some nice things to say about the St. Louis Rams … just not their quarterback.

    Former Seattle Seahawks fullback Michael Robinson was on ESPN’s First Take on Wednesday morning. Yes, it’s that awful show with Skip Bayless and Stephen A. Smith, so you probably didn’t watch it. A few people did, and they heard what Robinson had to say about the St. Louis Rams and their quarterback Sam Bradford.

    Robinson picked the Rams as his surprise team in the NFC West. That’s a positive. The Rams are starting to get some respect from their peers around the league, and it’s been a long time since we’ve seen that.

    On the subject of Bradford, Robinson went another direction, calling the fifth-year quarterback returning from an ACL tear “kind of soft.”

    He didn’t stop there either. Robinson said the Rams had plenty of weapons on offense, pointing out specifically last year’s first-round pick Tavon Austin, but they needed to “toughen up” their quarterback. Robinson insinuated that Bradford had developed that “soft” reputation around the NFL.

    We’re working to get video of Robinson’s comments now.

    Take it for what it is, player trash talk. If nothing else, it’s a good way to fired up for a pair of game against the Seahawks this season.

    #1836
    wv
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    Well, that was interesting. He thinks Bradford is a little “soft.”

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    #1837
    zn
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    On the subject of Bradford, Robinson went another direction, calling the fifth-year quarterback returning from an ACL tear “kind of soft.”

    He didn’t stop there either. Robinson said the Rams had plenty of weapons on offense, pointing out specifically last year’s first-round pick Tavon Austin, but they needed to “toughen up” their quarterback. Robinson insinuated that Bradford had developed that “soft” reputation around the NFL.

    That’s misreported. Listen to the vid in the original post. He doesn’t quite say that and he says more than that (that’s positive). He ends by saying when the game slows down for him a bit, his career will take off.

    The vid is a bit different from how the article represents it.

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    #1838
    Agamemnon
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    #1839
    zn
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    NFL guys going against St. Louis…what do you think of Sam Bradford?

    I’ll give it to you straight…a little soft. I said it even when he was coming into the league, I don’t know, maybe it’s his look or his body … just a little soft… we know that we can send the dogs after him and he’ll throw us the ball… we understand that if we can move him off his spot and jam his receivers … the guy Austin is an awesome playmaker …he needs to slow the game down in his brain a little bit though

    #1840
    zn
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    I was wrong earlier when I say that Robinson’s words were misreported. When I first heart it I thought the “slow the game down in his brain” remark referred to Bradford, but now I think it refers to Austin.

    #1841
    wv
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    On the subject of Bradford, Robinson went another direction, calling the fifth-year quarterback returning from an ACL tear “kind of soft.”

    He didn’t stop there either. Robinson said the Rams had plenty of weapons on offense, pointing out specifically last year’s first-round pick Tavon Austin, but they needed to “toughen up” their quarterback. Robinson insinuated that Bradford had developed that “soft” reputation around the NFL.

    That’s misreported. Listen to the vid in the original post. He doesn’t quite say that and he says more than that (that’s positive). He ends by saying when the game slows down for him a bit, his career will take off.

    The vid is a bit different from how the article represents it.

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    I think he was talking about Tavon. When the game slows down for Tavon his career will take off.
    He wasn’t talking about Bradford at that point.

    Ryan Van Bibber said something about this being ‘trash talk’ btw. I dont see Robinson’s view
    as ‘trash talk’ at all. He really does simply think Bradford is a bit soft.

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    #1842
    zn
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    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>zn wrote:</div>

    On the subject of Bradford, Robinson went another direction, calling the fifth-year quarterback returning from an ACL tear “kind of soft.”

    He didn’t stop there either. Robinson said the Rams had plenty of weapons on offense, pointing out specifically last year’s first-round pick Tavon Austin, but they needed to “toughen up” their quarterback. Robinson insinuated that Bradford had developed that “soft” reputation around the NFL.

    That’s misreported. Listen to the vid in the original post. He doesn’t quite say that and he says more than that (that’s positive). He ends by saying when the game slows down for him a bit, his career will take off.

    The vid is a bit different from how the article represents it.

    .

    I think he was talking about Tavon. When the game slows down for Tavon his career will take off.
    He wasn’t talking about Bradford at that point.

    Ryan Van Bibber said something about this being ‘trash talk’ btw. I dont see Robinson’s view
    as ‘trash talk’ at all. He really does simply think Bradford is a bit soft.

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    Yeah I am ahead of you. Look back at the post just before yours. I already said later on in the thread that though at first I thought he meant Bradford, the 2nd time around when I did the transcript, I realized he probably meant Austin.

    #1845
    wv
    Participant

    Yeah I am ahead of you. Look back at the post just before yours. I already said later on in the thread that though at first I thought he meant Bradford, the 2nd time around when I did the transcript, I realized he probably meant Austin.

    I wonder if he means ‘mentally’ soft, like he can be intimidated — or does he mean, Bradford’s body
    is easily taken-out.

    Clemens is a tough QB and ‘he’ looked totally discombobulated against
    the Seahawks in that game in Seattle. The Legion of Boom made a lot of QBs look soft.

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    • This reply was modified 9 years, 10 months ago by wv.
    #1850
    zn
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    Yeah I am ahead of you. Look back at the post just before yours. I already said later on in the thread that though at first I thought he meant Bradford, the 2nd time around when I did the transcript, I realized he probably meant Austin.

    I wonder if he means ‘mentally’ soft, like he can be intimidated — or does he mean, Bradford’s body
    is easily taken-out.

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    v

    I couldn’t quite figure out what he meant. He seems to say both things. One is that he kind of looks “soft,” meaning his demeanor or his look, or something. Another is that they can jam his receivers and blitz him and it throws his game off. Or maybe he meant both things.

    #1853
    zn
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    Historically, Bradford hasn’t done well against Seattle. The Rams are 2-4 against them with him playing qb. He has more INTs against them than TDs (4 T, 6 I). He has a completion percentage (avg) of around 55%, and a qb rating (avg) of around 64.3.

    #1858
    InvaderRam
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    well i think eli looked soft at the beginning of his career. his own teammate barber criticized him early on.

    hopefully bradford answers his critics this year.

    #1862
    nittany ram
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    well i think eli looked soft at the beginning of his career. his own teammate barber criticized him early on.

    hopefully bradford answers his critics this year.

    Yeah, Bradford’s body language and on-field demeanor have been criticized since day 1.

    Is there anything to it? Does it mean anything? I dunno…

    But the surest way to make everyone forget about all that is to play well consistently over the course of the season. Of course to do that he has to stay healthy as well. If he does that then the speculation about him being soft goes away.

    #1920
    zn
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    Pesci1108

    So, about Bradford being soft… and subsequent talk about his “leadership style” got me to thinking.

    To me, Leaders come in all shapes… and sizes… and with different demeanors…

    I think they just have a certain aura about them… others around them pick up on it and “feel” a certain sense that the person can guide them to success.

    Kurt Warner was a pretty reserved guy IIRC. But he gave off that aura that had the rest of the team believing.

    But, think about those championship teams the Rams had back then. It wasn’t all laid on Warner’s doorstep to lead. They had multiple leaders.. Faulk, Holt, Bruce… and others.

    Now, think about today’s Rams.

    Are there any true leaders on this team? Anything that approaches the names above? Not just on offense… defense too.

    Then, I got to thinking… is it because they are such a young team? None of them feel comfotable enough yet to break out as the leader? Heck, most of them are still trying to learn the NFL game.

    So… who are the leaders on this team?

    I can only come up with a couple names…

    On offense, Jake Long?
    On defense, maybe Chris Long? Maybe Lauriniaitis?

    #1921
    Agamemnon
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    On offense, Jake Long? On defense, maybe Chris Long? Maybe Lauriniaitis?Chris Long and Lauriniaitis for sure. Jake Long and Bradford are leaders. imoAgamemnon

    Agamemnon

    #1923
    InvaderRam
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    yeah. long and laurinaitis for sure. i think joyner will eventually be one. for sure. how could he not?

    on offense? no clue. i don’t think bradford will ever be a leader. i think he’ll be an effective qb. but not a leader.

    zac stacy? i could see it. not sure yet. but i could see it. i could see greg robinson becoming a leader. not a vocal leader. but he just comes across as a guy of such high character and work ethic and ability that i think he could eventually be a leader.

    #1957
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    RockRam

    Bradford is not soft physically or mentally.
    However he doesn’t exhibit an ability to improvise much.

    I think Bradford’s demeanor is not to take many risks, and to operate squarely in the middle of the system.
    When the play breaks down, he doesn’t exhibit much ability to make lemonade from lemons.

    That said, that doesn’t mean that he is soft or incapable of taking the Rams to the Superbowl.
    It means that the system MUST revolve around what he does best, and avoid what he can’t do.

    He needs a pretty clean pocket, because he is a pocket QB.
    He needs WRs to get open, because his conservative nature doesn’t allow him to throw it up for grabs (although, if he had a guy who won most 50/50 balls he might).
    He needs a strong running game, and an oline that can keep his feet clean.
    He needs to be able to step UP into the pocket.
    He needs to only have to throw on average 20 times per game.
    He needs a play action pass scheme.
    He needs very good WRs who can get open and hang onto the ball; if he only has 1 who is reliable, that’s who he’ll look for first every time (Danny Amendola and before him Clayton).

    He CAN roll out, either way, but because he’s conservative whenever he rolls out he’ll only throw to that side of the field and not across his body to the opposite side.
    He CAN audible the Rams out of bad plays.
    He CAN move the ball down the field fast in a fast pace, when asked to.
    He CAN make accurate throws at every distance.
    He CAN make every throw because he has the arm strength.
    He CAN read defenses.
    He CAN translate an offensive game plan to the field.
    He CAN have patience and not get flustered.
    He CAN get rid the ball quickly (fast release).

    He can NOT win a game with his feet.
    He can NOT improvise.
    He can NOT throw a guy open.
    He can NOT move around in the pocket very well or buy time.
    He can NOT be a fiery vocal leader.
    He can NOT carry himself with a swagger and challenge his opponent that way.
    He can NOT throw 35 times per game, in a past first offense, and survive let alone win consistently.
    He can NOT elevate the team by himself ala Rogers, Brady, P. Manning.
    He can NOT be a gunslinger who can throw 4 or 5 INTs ala Favre, and maintain a “what the hell” persona and a true personal confidence.

    This is who Sam is, what he needs, and what he can and cannot do.

    If Schotty will design an offense for this, and he has the players to support him, he can lead us to the playoffs.

    #1968
    InvaderRam
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    in some ways bradford is the perfect qb for fisher.

    i’m not even sure fisher would know what to do with a great qb. if the rams are to go to the playoffs under fisher it will be lead by the defense and the running game.

    so let’s hope that is in order. and bradford should be good enough to help this team win.

    #1977
    wv
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    Laram

    there is an element of that, and is quite prevalent.

    There have been many times when Bradford instead of staying upright and keeping his eyes downfield, will just fold in the pocket.

    Another thing he will do is quickly check it down with perceived pressure.

    That extra second or two in the pocket was a prominent attribute that made Kurt Warner great.

    People talk about his o-line but Kurt took a number of hits for the team…standing in the pocket.

    Sam does not handle pressure well at all. Not at all.
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    #1978
    zn
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    Laram

    there is an element of that, and is quite prevalent.

    There have been many times when Bradford instead of staying upright and keeping his eyes downfield, will just fold in the pocket.

    Another thing he will do is quickly check it down with perceived pressure.

    That extra second or two in the pocket was a prominent attribute that made Kurt Warner great.

    People talk about his o-line but Kurt took a number of hits for the team…standing in the pocket.

    Sam does not handle pressure well at all. Not at all.
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    ???

    Since the OL played more or less healthy…going back to the 1st SF game, 2012…Bradford has been sacked 27 times in 15 games. That’s less than 2 a game, which is a good rate. So is that strictly speaking “prevalent”? So if he never did this thing he presumably did a couple of times, the duck and cover thing, he would…what? Be sacked once a game? Which would be better than anyone.

    The span I am talking about includes 644 attempts. 27 sacks is a 4.8% sack rate (rounded up). A 4.8% sack rate against 2013 numbers would be 5th best in the league. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2013/passing.htm

    (I edited this cause I had a math error…he would have been 5th best not 3rd best, which is what I originally said).

    So there’s this “bad thing” which presumably happened part of the 27 times he was sacked in his 684 attempts across the span I am talking about, it just looms as a big, indicative huge thing? As opposed to being integrated and balanced out as just one more thing among others? If it even happened more than a couple of times and wasn’t just being coached to take sacks rather than fumble? Or any of that?

    We also have vids of him taking hits just after throwing, like the one I put up the other day of the 30-something yard throw to Cook in Houston. Where he knew he was going to be hit and made the throw.

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    #1979
    zn
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    Fwiw, here’s Bradford under pressure, according to Pro Football Focus stats.

    2012. They rank him 12th…even though he was hit as he threw more than anyone else. He was also 2nd worst in WR drops when under pressure. He’s 11th in TDs throwing under pressure. He’s tied for 2nd with the least INTs when throwing under pressure.

    His sack percentage under pressure is 10th worst, though, remember, 2012 included 8 games with an injury OL that consisted of Hunter Ojinnaka Turner Dahl Richards. (After leaving the Rams, Turner was benched and Ojinaka, Hunter, and Richardson are not presently on any NFL roster. That’s 4.)

    His completion percentage under pressure is 20th of 38 ranked qbs. His accuracy percentage (or drops counted as completions) is ranked 18th of 38, which btw is still better Eli, Flacco, Luck, Stafford, Romo, and Brady.

    In 2013, the figures are all tilted by the fact that they had no running threat for 4 of the 7 games.

    But in 2013, he is 38th, and his completion percentage and accuracy percentage are both worse than 2012.

    So what I conclude from that is that Bradford does better under pressure when he has a running threat.

    From what I have seen, and just looking at raw numbers, I do not think it is true that he is “bad under pressure,” period. I think he is BETTER when he has a running threat.

    All of this was prompted by Robinson. Well…it IS true that the Seattle defense has the number of the Rams offense. Bradford has 38 career INTs in 4 seasons, which is also 49 games played. His overall INT percentage is 2.2%. If he played 16 games last year 2.2% would rank 11th among qbs with 10 or more starts.

    So he doesn’t throw INTs overall, but against Seattle he has 6 INts in 6 games. (Of the 49 games he has played, he played Seattle 12.2% of the time yet they represent neatly 16% of his total INTs.)

    But then Seattle demolished Manning in the superbowl so I am not weeping into my soup. It’s Seattle. What qb has Seattle’s number? (There might actually be one but if I don’t recall.) The Rams do have to beat Seattle obviously…but the fact that Seattle has their number so far is not this big surprise.

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    #2021
    wv
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    Laram

    Sam has taken hits that he could not avoid.

    What they’re talking about is soft mentally.

    When you get pressure on him if its a choice between hanging in the pocket waiting for somebody to clear or letting it go…he will let it go.

    Sam has thrown 6 pick six’s in only 2 FULL SEASONS. That’s a lot, and is what Robinson meant by “he will throw us some”.

    I have been told that teams gameplan Sam to get a rush in his face, and squeeze the underneath routes.

    That is why we have seen so many underneath routes jumped, and taken to the house.

    They’re sitting on those because that is his tendency.

    They know in the face of a rush, he’s not going to hang in and let the longer routes develop.

    At the NFC championship game I posted a pic of me, my seats and 9ers scouts sitting with me.

    That is the book on him.
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    #2022
    zn
    Moderator

    WV, if you break all those pick 6’s down, you don’t get 6 cases of an unnerved qb throwing blind into coverage.

    Think of Stacy letting Mikkel hit his arm in the Carolina game…or, think of the one that bounced right off Richardson’s hands to a DE who had dropped into coverage (I think that was the Dallas game).

    And I can pull of vids of him rolling out of the pocket and hitting a couple of TDs on the run. I could also repost the 30+ yarder to Cook where he waits knowing that a free lineman bears down on him. Those are just a couple of the off the top of my head examples.

    And what about the 11/11 game in SF in 2012 where he went 26 of 39 (66.67%) for 275 yards, a 7.05 YPA, 2 TDs, and earned a 104.1 qb rating? That was against the NFC champs on their home turf…and that’s without the 80 yarder to Amendola early in OT that was called back because of penalty.

    I have just seen too much that contradicts that view. Even erring on the conservative side, I would say it’s far more mixed than that, and not that cut n dried.

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    #2055
    wv
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    More La

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    Laram

    People/athletes IMO are hardwired a certain way. There are people/players that like living on the edge, that are risk takers. They subscribe to the high risk, high reward theory.

    Some athletes shy away from crunch time, others live for it. You have qb’s that instinctively look for the “kill shot”. They will look for that first, and must be trained to dial it back. It’s very difficult when it is in the reverse.

    The “reverse” is the case with Bradford IMO. Go back and look at any college tape of Bradford, he immediately looks to a predetermined area short, and his receivers did the rest. That continues to be the case today, and the way he is wired IMHO. I don’t know if that can be changed.
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    #2090
    zn
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    RockRam

    I think Sam is my guy on an emotional level. He’s never claimed to be a “star”. Never claimed to be the best. Never claimed to be a one man show.

    He came in under terrible circumstances, won Rookie of the Year, and then had 3 OCs and 3 systems in his first 3 years. Most of his former oline isn’t even in the league any more they were so bad and I don’t think they lined up the same unit more than 2 games in a row due to injuries and ineptitude..

    Then he has the high ankle, a full season, and then the ACL just as he was “getting it” in Schotty’s system, and just as the young WRs were starting to figure it out.

    Everything that could go wrong has gone wrong; everything that is not of his control went south (and certainly some things of his control, as well). And yet, he threw nobody under the bus. He only spoke of how he had to improve and his confidence in his coaching staff and in his teammates.

    Think he doesn’t know the nasty and derogatory things that have been said about him? Of course he does; he doesn’t live on another planet.
    But he has stuck with it, worked hard, stayed positive, been accessible and respectful to the media, and perhaps this year it will pay off for him.

    He is my guy on this team; and no I’m not Pollyanna. Bradford is not Kurt Warner, and it is likely not in his future to be in the HOF. But he is imo plenty good enough to take the Rams to the promised land. IF……he has good enough players to surround him. And at the moment, I think the only doubt area is WR; but that is currently an open question soon tbd.

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