The latest polls on Trump. Fwiw.

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August 9, 2017 at 6:59 am #72125

wv
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trump:https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2017/08/09/poll-a09.html

“…Approval of Trump’s performance as president fell to new lows in virtually every poll: 32 percent according to Investor’s Business Daily, 33 percent according to Quinnipiac University, 36 percent in the CBS survey, 37 percent recorded by both the Gallup daily tracking poll and Reuters/IPSOS, and 38 percent according to CNN.

All of these figures are record lows for an American president during his first year in office…

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…While these polls show massive popular opposition to the Trump administration and its policies, this does not translate into support for the Democratic Party, which has sought to attack the administration from the right by casting Trump as a stooge of Russia and demanding a more aggressive anti-Russian military-diplomatic posture.

The Republican Party had a net negative rating of 42 percent—22 percent favorable, 64 percent unfavorable—an all-time low. But the Democratic Party was also viewed negatively, albeit by a smaller margin, 36 percent favorable versus 48 percent unfavorable.

August 9, 2017 at 9:09 am #72127
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I am very skeptical of polls–and in particular those involving Trump. His hardcore supporters remain firm. And that’s enough to win elections. As someone said on CNN the other day, these polls don’t really measure enthusiasm Clinton had no enthusiasm. She had some hardcore support and people who held their nose and voted for her. Trumps supporters love him. And in an electoral college system that’s huge. Plus the rightwing media is still on his side and the Republicans are a little scared of his base. Even if they hate him.

And how much would someone lie in these polls?

I think it’s entirely possible he would win the election today.
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August 9, 2017 at 10:41 am #72130

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I watched the first 30 minutes of Jimmy Fallon and the Tonight Show last night. Billy Crystal was the first guest, and he brought up Trump’s ratings saying this was a problem for the Administration. He said Trump’s approval rating is at 38% and the Zika virus is at 40%.

rimshot.

August 9, 2017 at 2:12 pm #72132

Billy_T
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I think his “base” is a lot smaller than most people think, and it’s shrinking.

Remember, he won just 26% of the electorate, and Clinton, perhaps the most disliked Dem nominee in history, running one of the worst campaigns, evah, received three million more votes.

His approval rates have been at historic lows from Day One, and they’re still dropping.

Also, his entire “base” would vote Republican, regardless. I think it’s far more a tribal thing than a Trump thing. He didn’t expand his party’s national reach at all, and he turned off plenty of those “traditional” Republicans enough to vote Clinton, and once in office, that only got worse.

A recent study showed that the “Trump Democrat” was basically a myth. It wasn’t that some Dems switched to Trump after voting for Obama. It was that some Republicans had switched to Obama after voting for Bush. They were “coming home” when they voted for Trump.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/theres-no-such-thing-as-a-trump-democrat/2017/08/04/0d5d06bc-7920-11e7-8f39-eeb7d3a2d304_story.html?utm_term=.03b7b5e8e0cd

August 9, 2017 at 5:18 pm #72137

wv
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Billy_T wrote:

I think his “base” is a lot smaller than most people think, and it’s shrinking.

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Who knows what things will look like to voters in three years,
but if the election were this week, I’d guess any Mainstream-pro-corporate-democrat-not-named-Hillary, would eek out a win over Trump.

And after four years of Trump one would ‘guess’ that a lot of working-class voters wont be any better off and they might not be so prone to drink the Trump koolaid next time around.

But who knows.

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August 10, 2017 at 12:42 am #72163

Zooey
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wv wrote:

And after four years of Trump one would ‘guess’ that a lot of working-class voters wont be any better off and they might not be so prone to drink the Trump koolaid next time around.

But who knows.

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I dunno. We’ve seen Americans vote against their economic interests again and again. I think what we have here is a Culture War. And the feelings are pretty strong about what America is.

August 10, 2017 at 2:53 am #72171

zn
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Zooey wrote:

I dunno. We’ve seen Americans vote against their economic interests again and again. I think what we have here is a Culture War. And the feelings are pretty strong about what America is.

I agree with a lot of that. Race is an issue, immigration is an issue which means that race ethnicity and religion are issues, transgender and gay stuff are issues, all mixed up in a big boiling cauldron of issues. I never (personally) see it as just plain economic. “About what America is” means identity.

This comes from another forum. Someone posted the proposed new criteria for immigration, and asked if anyone could pass the test. Most of course (all native born) said they couldn’t. This was my response:

Find Out If President Trump Would Let You Immigrate to America… time.com

I am an immigrant. Or I immigrated young with my family. I don’t know if I qualify or not. But it’s a moot point because Canadian immigrants don’t set off the anti-immigration people’s (prejudiced) alarms. We’re mostly English speaking, we’re mostly white, we’re mostly not not Christian, and our accents are acceptable. Plus we were willing to give up superior health care for the privilege of voting against people with bad immigration policies.

August 10, 2017 at 11:14 am #72178

wv
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Zooey wrote:

wv wrote:

And after four years of Trump one would ‘guess’ that a lot of working-class voters wont be any better off and they might not be so prone to drink the Trump koolaid next time around.

But who knows.

w
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I dunno. We’ve seen Americans vote against their economic interests again and again. I think what we have here is a Culture War. And the feelings are pretty strong about what America is.

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Well it doesn’t matter to me what you Americans do, because
I’ve seceded from America.

I dont have a flag yet though. I’m working on some ideas though. Maybe two Ram horns coming out of a Chomsky-head, with two pieces of toast in the background.

Blue and white, of course.

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August 10, 2017 at 12:08 pm #72179

Billy_T
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wv wrote:

Zooey wrote:

wv wrote:

And after four years of Trump one would ‘guess’ that a lot of working-class voters wont be any better off and they might not be so prone to drink the Trump koolaid next time around.

But who knows.

w
v

I dunno. We’ve seen Americans vote against their economic interests again and again. I think what we have here is a Culture War. And the feelings are pretty strong about what America is.

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Well it doesn’t matter to me what you Americans do, because
I’ve seceded from America.

I dont have a flag yet though. I’m working on some ideas though. Maybe two Ram horns coming out of a Chomsky-head, with two pieces of toast in the background.

Blue and white, of course.

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v

Speaking of Chomsky. I watched Captain Fantastic last night. Loved it. A leftist-centered movie, which is rare these days. The brilliant Snowpiercer was another. Loved that too.

They have a Noam Chomsky day in the movie. I’ll have to watch it again to be sure, but I think it was meant to replace Christmas. So cool. I give it five out of five stars.
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