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February 18, 2025 at 6:31 pm in reply to: Stafford’s future … update, he signed & is staying #155149
ZooeyModeratorRams have the window open right now, just need a little more consistency from Rozeboom and Reeder.
Or to draft a true high caliber ILB.
Though what I’ve read so far says this is a weak draft for LBs.
It’s supposed to be a great year at WR and CB and good at OT.
BTW…both of you…I think that the 49ers are going to have to let Dre Greenlaw walk. I’ve been thinking about this, and they have to sign Purdy. And Fred Warner already sucks up a lot of the cap at the LB position.
I doubt that the Rams invest what he will end up eventually costing, but just throwing that out there. He’s not going to get what he thinks he is worth, though. He might be open to a short term “prove it” deal.
February 18, 2025 at 3:05 pm in reply to: Stafford’s future … update, he signed & is staying #155147
ZooeyModeratorBut its not like Stafford has only ONE additional year left. The way QBs are protected now, he could very well have two, three, or four elite years left. Even if he missed half the season in some of those years, the critical thing would be his availability in the playoffs.
Yeah, that’s the other thing. The Rams don’t NEED to replace Stafford for quite a while.
And Colin Cowherd, while he’s certainly right that the Dodgers are great for baseball, is completely wrong on trading Stafford to the NYG for the 3rd pick, and then dealing that down into multiple picks in order to trade up NEXT year for a QB. That’s just nonsense. The Rams have some “doable” off-season holes to fill, and doing that will put them in the hunt next season. The defense just got better and better all year, to the point that the Rams defense was looking like it might be championship caliber as it was. The DL became so dominant that they could harass their way to a Lombardi. So…why would you throw away Stafford and the next couple of seasons on an unknown QB who will need to learn the game? That makes no sense. If they unloaded Stafford now in an effort to reload at QB the year after next, they would be getting up to speed at QB right when Nacua, Turner, Young, Williams, and Avila were expiring. They’re not going to bet it all on Jimmy G.
And the Rams won’t do that because they’re not stupid. We’ve already seen them aggressively get pieces to put them on top, and they’re close enough to do that again. They will figure it out with Stafford.
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February 17, 2025 at 10:26 pm in reply to: Stafford’s future … update, he signed & is staying #155144
ZooeyModeratorI actually don’t take any of this terribly seriously. I can’t imagine why the Rams would move Stafford.
Maybe to Detroit for Goff and a couple of 1st round picks, but nothing less. There are all these trade scenarios out there where the Rams trade him for moving up a few slots in the draft in round 2, or whatever. I mean…there’s no reason to do that. Stafford is really good. And sure he’s mortal, and the Rams will have to replace him some day, but the Rams are a Super Bowl contender with Stafford. They aren’t without him.
So any trade for him would have to be good enough to appreciably increase the Rams’ chances in 2026 and beyond. You don’t close a SB window for marginal improvement. You would only do it for definite, longer-lasting improvement.
February 13, 2025 at 10:03 pm in reply to: Stafford’s future … update, he signed & is staying #155127
ZooeyModeratorhow about Kupp and Stafford to the Chargers for Justin Herbert and Khalil Mack?
Don’t know why the Chargers would want to do that, but…sure. I’d take that.
I mean… I would only trade Stafford if the Rams could get a comparable QB who was younger.
If they don’t get that, then… why?
Stafford is still good. He has some quality seasons in front of him still. So I wouldn’t give him up for an unproven QB. I just would not.
February 13, 2025 at 2:51 pm in reply to: Stafford’s future … update, he signed & is staying #155116
ZooeyModeratorI was giving this the full spectrum of my attention this morning as I commuted to work (Narrator: No, he wasn’t), and I decided that the only trade I would do for Stafford would be…

for Joe Burrow.
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February 12, 2025 at 12:33 pm in reply to: a late start…time for the thread on Trump atrocities, or “Trumpocities” #155107
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ZooeyModeratorMaybe if you guys wanted the Pirates to be good, you should have built Los Angeles in Pennsylvania.
But you didn’t think of that, and now you’re crying.
Well, fiddly-i-doo.
ZooeyModeratorI know Philly looked amazing against KC, but I still dunno if the Eagles are better than a healthy Detroit team.
Rams played well against the top two NFC teams. Looking forward to seeing what Snead has in mind this offseason.
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vI hope he signs that Japanese guy who plays both offense and defense.
ZooeyModeratorwell if you look at zooey’s chart of world series champs, theres only ONE that is from the bottom tier. that weird florida marlins team, that sold off all its players the next year
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vwv’s chief complaint is that the Pirates have no money. Pirate’s lack of money, and RBs who fumble. His two complaints are that the Pirates have no money and RBs who fumble…and immobile QBs…. His *three* complaints are that the Pirates have no money, RBs who fumble…and immobile QBs…and a lack of raisin toast…. His four…no… amongst his complaints…are such elements as the Pirates have no money and RBs who fumble…. I’ll come in again.
ZooeyModerator, baseball shares the World Series trophy more widely than the NFL shares the Lombardi.
Is there an equivalent in baseball to having a top 3 or 4 coach, plus a top 3 or 4 qb, plus a very solid (top 10 or near it) defense? Because what we see in the NFL is that the teams that have those 3 items dominate the postseason.
They also repeat in the postseason. So for example, after KC had Reid + Mahomes + the Spags defense … and they had all 3 as of 2019 … they won 5 out of 6 conference games and then won 3 out of the 4 super bowls they have played so far.
My bet is that the MLB teams that repeat the most often year after year in the playoffs are the big money teams.
I think what you say is true about coach + QB + Defense. And there is no equivalent in baseball. I was thinking about that yesterday when considering your post. There are some really good managers, sure. The best ones are good tactically – managing substitutions etc. – and in building chemistry in the clubhouse. And defense matters in baseball, especially in the postseason. We saw an example of that this past WS. And because baseball is a series of 1-on-1 matchups, a robbed hit on the one hand, or an inexcusable error on the other can make the difference in a game. I think the closest thing in baseball to a QB is the entire pitching staff. The thing people look for, going into the playoffs, is 3 really solid starters, and a “slam-the-door-shut” closer. Most playoff teams come close to that, but don’t “quite” have that. But baseball being the beast that it is, one team’s pitching staff can have a guy rise up and get hot at just the right time, and there you go. That’s just one of the variables, though, that opens the door wider.
Looking at the long haul, as I said to wv, yeah – I bet the Yankees get a ticket into the playoffs more often than the Pirates. I just think that that margin is a lot smaller than people think it is. And it’s been 25 years since a team won back-to-back.
For example, the Yankees, going back to 2001, have been in the Top 3 spenders every single year, with the exception of 2018, when they had the 7th-highest payroll. They spent the most 14 of those years, 2nd-most 7 of those years, and 3rd-most 2 of those years. They have one championship to show for it.
Here is last year’s salary table. The red arrows denote playoff teams. The blue arrows denote teams that got knocked out in their first round matchup. The Guardians made it to the AL Championship round.

Here is the payroll ranking for each world series champion since 2001.

So having a higher payroll helps, but I don’t think it’s as decisive as the common fan thinks it is. I think it’s another ingredient in the mix, like manager, pitching, and defense. But imo, having a strong farm system is more important than payroll size. It’s the equivalent of hitting on Day 3 draft picks. MLB is absolutely littered with high-spending teams that got nothing in return. The Dodgers, meanwhile, have had one of the most productive farm systems in the league. Good player development.
ZooeyModeratorBut I’m surprised you dont think the salary cap is an absolute good. Look at the Yankees salary and look at the Pirates. You telling me, the Pirates can compete with the Yankees year in and year out? With that much disparity?
I don’t know what’s going on with the Pirates. I have no idea who owns them, or what they’re doing. I have no idea what their revenue looks like. I don’t know how big Pittsburgh is. What I do know is that they are consistently near the bottom in payroll, and their payroll is so low, it makes me think that their owner(s) just decided to sit out being competitive, and let the equity build up in the team while doing nothing. I will add that Cleveland, Tampa Bay, and Baltimore are also consistently low in payroll – in the same neck of the woods as the Pirates – but all three of those teams have produced more competitive teams than Pittsburg has. Cleveland and Tampa both played in the WS recently.
But to answer your question: no, I don’t think the Pirates can compete with the Yankees year in and year out. But, otoh, the Yankees have won once (2009) this millennium, the same number of times as the Marlins and Diamondbacks. And baseball strikes me as fundamentally different from the other major sports. It is both a marathon – by far the longest season – and a sprint: 1 game wild card. Best of 5 (used to be Best of 3). Best of 7. You have to endure a very long season, and then play your best in a sprint at the finish. In some ways it is less of a team sport than the other big three are. It’s all a bunch of 1-on-1s. Pitcher/batter, obviously, but also the in-play ball is defensed by one guy, basically. All of this makes baseball more… precarious, I think. I think baseball is the game that is LEAST likely to be won by the best team in the regular season.
When the Giants won 3 World Series in a 5-year span a few years ago, they played a total of 10 playoff series. They were the underdog in 9 of those 10 series, being favored only in a 1-game playoff one of those years. But they got hot at the right time, and they won 3 WS when they – statistically – shouldn’t have won any of them. They were the worst, or next-to-worst, team in the playoffs all three times. On paper. After 6 months of games. That shit is just pretty rare in the other sports. It happens, but in baseball, it happens more frequently than in other sports. You have to get into the playoffs, and then if your pitching staff has more juice left in their arms than other teams, you’re in the fight.
The Dodgers – who IMPROVED on paper this off-season – have a 20% chance of winning the WS this year, according to Las Vegas. That, btw, was exactly the same chance as the Chiefs had at the start of this NFL season. And that’s with a massive salary disparity from top to bottom in the league.
ZooeyModeratorI think the NFL it works this way. Parity is real. But with parity throughout the league, a singular advantage puts you above the parity-driven norm. The clearest and most absolute advantage goes to teams that combine a great head coach, a great qb, and a very solid defense. Which btw would describe the Patz and KC.
That combination is actually hard to get. One of the top 3 or 4 coaches, with one of the top 3 or 4 qbs, with a very solid defense.
With parity in the NFL, what does change year to year is not the super bowl, it’s the playoffs. In the last 3 years 22 teams have made the postseason. 2/3rds of the league in 3 years. If you go back 5 years it’s 29 teams. All but 3.
The longest playoff drought in MLB belongs to the Angels (a Los Angeles team) at 10 years. The NY Jets have a 14-year drought going right now.
I will also point out that the NFL always sent a higher percentage of their teams into the playoffs. Baseball has only recently begun to expand the pool of teams to make the postseason, and I think in the future, baseball fans won’t feel as “locked out” as they do right now. And even given the disparity between the % of teams that make the postseason in their respective leagues, baseball still stacks up favorably to the NFL.

In the past 3 years, 20/30 baseball teams have played in the postseason: 2/3rds. Same as the NFL. If you go back 5 years, it’s 27 teams. All but 3.
That’s certainly comparable. In fact, it’s damn near identical. And, again, baseball shares the World Series trophy more widely than the NFL shares the Lombardi.
ZooeyModeratorBaseball is more equal than football is, if you’re judging by outcomes, rather than team spending.
The NFL has a salary cap. And it doesn’t have parity.
In the past 14 seasons, the Chiefs and Patriots have combined for 15 appearances in the AFC Championship game. The Chiefs are playing in their 5th Super Bowl in a 6-year span.
The last 9 Super Bowls had these teams:
Chiefs 5
Patriots 3
Eagles 3
Rams 2
49ers 2
Bucs 1
Bengals 1
Falcons 1That’s 8 teams filling 18 slots.
Baseball has nothing like that disparity. Not even close. And near the top in spending over the past 9 seasons, the Angels, Padres, Mets, Giants, Blue Jays, Braves and Cardinals have made 0 appearances in the World Series. The Yankees, Cubs, Red Sox, Phillies, and Rangers – all in and out of the top 10 spenders over that time span – have 1 appearance each. Tampa, Cleveland, and Arizona, historically low-spending teams, have each made an appearance.
The Mets, Cubs, Angels, White Sox, Red Sox, Padres, Giants, Phillies, Rangers, and Nationals are all “big market” teams.
Money makes a difference, but baseball, of all sports, has the highest percentage of underdogs getting to the top.
I’m not arguing for or against salary caps. I just have my doubts that caps help the fans. In theory, they were supposed to. But you can spread out the data and take a look for yourselves. I think they help the owners myself.
ZooeyModeratorSo I guess I am not pissed at the NFL for removing that slogan when putting it out there was about as low-effort as it gets in the first place.
And let’s not forget that the NFL which painted “End Racism” on the end zone also blacklisted Colin Kaepernick. So.
ZooeyModeratorI am strongly considering the choice of not watching the Super Bowl.
To be clear, I am not joining the boycott that was started by more than 300k other fans protesting the sketchy officiating throughout the season which has inexplicably and consistently benefited one of the teams in this Super Bowl (KC). I am also not boycotting because the public persona of other team’s fans is to be “the most horrible human beings we can be, make other people hate us, and not care but revel in it” (Philly). While I will not deny truly wanting both teams to lose, I am thinking about making this choice because the NFL has made a clear gesture, and has kowtowed to the racism that is sweeping our nation in the last few weeks.
NFL Executives decided to remove the “End Racism” slogan from the end zone, specifically now in this game. For context, this slogan has been in the Super Bowl end zone since 2021. It has been there in most games since 2000 and the summer of protests about racial inequality. Choosing to remove that slogan now, during this game, is no coincidence. Our President, the racist bigot in chief, will in attendance at the game. The NFL’s rationalization for why they are making the change now is also full on PR bs, almost as bad as someone blaming plane crashes on DEI.
I am not deluded, and I know my not watching will do nothing, but I am pretty sure I cannot watch and stay true to myself and my values. As my head comes back above the utter shock of watching our Democratic institutions being unlawfully destroyed, I will certainly look for more productive ways to fight back against the shit show that has been the last two weeks, but for now I am thinking this may be the best choice for me.
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6112317/2025/02/04/nfl-end-racism-super-bowl-dei-trump/
I was also dismayed by the NFL’s capitulation to prevailing racist winds. I was deeply disappointed in this decision. Calling it “cowardice” is probably being generous.
I’ve had a couple of days since you posted this, though, to mull over why it isn’t a tipping point for me. FWIW.
And I have concluded that “End Racism,” as a slogan, never meant very much to me. I mean…it doesn’t mean anything.
You could put “End Racism” on every end zone, every helmet, every telephone pole in this country, and it still wouldn’t change a damn thing. It reminds me of a tweet I saw by somebody a few years ago that said something like, “Black people just asked that cops stop killing people, and white people said, ‘Fine, we’ll change the name of this pancake mix.'”
“End racism” doesn’t mean anything. It suggests that the problem is individual. That the problem would be wiped away if a few more people took individual responsibility to still their personal animosity along racial lines.
An End Zone slogan that said, “Hold Police Accountable.” Or “Make Red-Lining Illegal.”
Those would be messages that carried weight, that actually put pressure on the system.
“End Racism”… I’m not even sure that phrase is well-intentioned. Sounds to me like something that a moderately smart defender of racism would come up with as a solution.
“Hey. We’ll meet you halfway. We give you these bumperstickers with rainbows on them, and you quit the public protests and go home. Deal?”
So I guess I am not pissed at the NFL for removing that slogan when putting it out there was about as low-effort as it gets in the first place.
ZooeyModeratorThat wasn’t the Fearsome Foursome singing. That was Rosey Grier backed up by some amazing dancers. I had no idea Grier could sing as well as tackle QBs, RBs, and assassins.
ZooeyModeratorThey won’t get a goddam thing for him.
If all they could get for Robert Woods was a 6th, and basically nothing for Ernest Jones, with those $ numbers on Kupp’s deal, they’re probably going to have to sweeten the pot.
Kupp and a 3rd round pick for a 2nd round pick.
I hate this planet.
I’ll bet they don’t even get that much, actually.
Well, if the Rams are gonna eat the contract, there is just no point in trading him. What for? If they aren’t getting return value, and very little cap relief, keep him. I don’t understand any of this.
To trade Cooper Kupp, the Rams will likely have to pay a chunk of his 2025 compensation
ZooeyModeratorThey won’t get a goddam thing for him.
If all they could get for Robert Woods was a 6th, and basically nothing for Ernest Jones, with those $ numbers on Kupp’s deal, they’re probably going to have to sweeten the pot.
Kupp and a 3rd round pick for a 2nd round pick.
I hate this planet.
I’ll bet they don’t even get that much, actually.
ZooeyModeratorThey won’t get a goddam thing for him.
If all they could get for Robert Woods was a 6th, and basically nothing for Ernest Jones, with those $ numbers on Kupp’s deal, they’re probably going to have to sweeten the pot.
Kupp and a 3rd round pick for a 2nd round pick.
I hate this planet.
ZooeyModerator
The Rams are the Meryl Streep of football.
Wherever they go, somebody wins an academy award.
ZooeyModeratorSometimes…I swear.
I have this assignment I give. For my college class. It’s about data interpretation. I just throw out a bunch of pie charts, bar graphs, line graphs, and tables. And I say, “Write a paper.” You know, it’s a college thing. Do a study, collect data, so what? So here’s some data. Find something in it that you think is significant, and write a paper.
I give them four folders of graphs: economic, healthcare, criminal justice, and education.
And this is the shit I get:

Racism is an accident, apparently.
ZooeyModeratorWho is on here twice?

ZooeyModeratorYou make a good case.
Plus the Chiefs might show people how you defend Barkley.
There’s just nothing to hate there. For me, anyway. Mahomes isn’t an arrogant SOB, Kelce doesn’t kill dogs – and it’s not his fault Taylor Swift is mad on him.
I haven’t tracked the “NFL refs are in the pocket of KC” stuff. Refs blow calls sometimes, and sometimes they blow them on plays that turn out to be significant, and sometimes they blow them on 2 or 3 plays in a game, all breaking in favor of one of the teams.
But they DON’T do it deliberately, and they don’t do it with partiality.
ZooeyModeratorI may be the only non-KC fan to be pulling for the Chiefs. I did not see the games last Sunday, and Championship Sunday is usually my favorite weekend (unless the Rams are in the SB). I punched into the NFC game near the end of the 1st half, and there was pushing, shoving, and facemask pulling, followed by replays of earlier animosities, and I was suddenly filled with hatred for the Eagles. Dunno why them, particularly. I think the fact that WA has changed its name, and Snyder is gone, and Snyder is rooting against WA, and the fact that WA never really did any serious damage to the Rams, coupled with the arrogance of Eagles’ comments before they beat the Rams…
I’m for the Chiefs. I have no reason to hate them. Reid is just good. Spags is good. Mahomes is good. They don’t deflate footballs, or illegally film opponents’ practices.
And. Like I said earlier, Brady never won 3 in a row. So that’s that.
January 25, 2025 at 1:46 pm in reply to: set up for NFC/AFC championship games & game reactions #154956
ZooeyModeratorWell, I’ve moved past this season and am in the process of getting stoked for next season. Next year’s Super Bowl venue is Levi Stadium.
I really, really want the Rams to be there.
I thought it was in Levi this year.
Well, that’s good because it gives me time to get filthy rich. I’m thinking that if I can get my net worth up to $100 million by next season, I’ll just attend the Super Bowl in person to see the Rams play. I’ve never been to a Super Bowl, and don’t have much desire to attend one, but since the Rams will be in it, and I won’t have to travel far, I think I should do it this once.
January 25, 2025 at 12:30 am in reply to: set up for NFC/AFC championship games & game reactions #154937
ZooeyModeratorI can’t help but think that I would be more interested in this weekend if the Rams were playing the Commanders.
ZooeyModeratorHe has good vision and feet. Listen to the announcers when they talk about him. We haven’t had a back as productive since Gurley 2018. He doesn’t have great speed. Ok, but he does all the other stuff really well
This is right. I was only a kid when I watched McCutcheon, but that would be my comp for Williams. He is not as good as Dickerson, Bettis, Faulk, Jackson, or Gurley. The first 3 are in the HOF, Jackson probably ought to be, and Gurley would have been there, too, if not for the brevity of his career. Those guys were tier one guys. Williams is Tier II. That’s pretty good, and I’m not going to complain until he drops a tier.
They’re talking extension. I wouldn’t give him more than 3 meaningful years, but he’s worth that, I think.
January 23, 2025 at 10:35 pm in reply to: set up for NFC/AFC championship games & game reactions #154927
ZooeyModeratorI must say I do have a modicum of affection for Washington
I think that in the Blue Board Charter, it was determined that nobody could have affection for Washington, and our forefathers made no mistakes; they served the lord. That Charter was passed on through multiple boards, and still exists here today.
So I’m going to ask you to leave.
ZooeyModeratorYou put in the bluesky tweet by Rapaport. Unfortunately it was only a link. I tried to get the tweet to post, but it wouldn’t–it came out link only no matter what I did (some tweets are like that, sometimes they won’t post, you get only links). So I just copied it, to be all print. Then in the process of doing that I noticed another bluesky tweet about Pleasant and just added it.
That’s all okay, right? The original intent was just to fix the Rapaport tweet, which would only post as a link.
Oh, I didn’t even notice it was a different tweet. LOL. So both tweets are from bluesky, but Rapaport’s appeared only as a link, but PFT displayed properly?
Well…okay. I think it’s the first time I’ve linked bluesky. I will watch what happens next time.
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