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Zooey
ModeratorWell, thats nice and all, but the ‘unit’
has to start stopping the Run. Donald included.Ya know.
This is a strange team. I said
that last year, and its even
stranger this year.w
vBoy, yeah. I will always love strong defense. We grew up on the Fearsome Foursome and its heirs, and I just remember flat out stuffing the run. Merlin Olsen, baby.
Felt a little strange for Laurenitis to break his record. Just doesn’t feel quite right. I like JL, but he isn’t in my pantheon of Rams, and taking an all-time record from Merlin just isn’t right somehow.
Zooey
ModeratorQuick is certainly better in this offense , a great blocker, should really help the struggling outside zone run scheme but they have an open roster spot and going up against the “no fly zone” Givens could’ve been a benefit running 9’s Givens lack of production wasn’t his fault. They just didn’t target him much , his career stats are close to double those of Quick’s if you are basing earning a contract on production. I can be happy for Givens knowing he’ll have Flacco’s cannon getting him the ball in the deep game he has been so effective in.
Yeah, it’s true to say he wasn’t targeted much, but after four years, you kind of have to think he wasn’t targeted much because he wasn’t open much. QBs will gladly throw to WRs who are open.
I think he will be better with Flacco – and because there isn’t much anyone else to throw to there – and I wish him well. But I don’t think he got screwed with the Rams. He’s basically a deep threat, and when defenses took the deep routes away from him, he didn’t get the ball much.
October 3, 2015 at 2:35 pm in reply to: Wagoner: Run-first Rams' struggle go beyond the basics #31624Zooey
ModeratorObviously, we are applying different metrics. Just a couple of points:
1. The roster was in rough shape when Fisher and Snead got here. No doubt. But plenty of coaches have built competitive teams much faster than waiting until Year 5.
2. Talent. I started the thread the other day because I fundamentally disagree with the assumption that you can keep building talent until you win. Winning coaches need some talent, but they often beat more talented teams. And bad coaches screw up the opportunity with talent. Football is a coach’s game. Talent is no guarantee, and many teams achieve past their apparent talent limit.
3. In terms of talent, I like the build up of the team. I actually like what Snead does. I’d keep Snead and dump Fisher.
4. These discussions seem to mire themselves in abstractions. But, you have acknowledged some preparation issues, so that’s good. I personally think that this coaching staff’s prepration of its team has for 3+ years been spotty and sub-standard in many ways. I think Fisher is a sloppy coach. And I think it SHOWS ON THE FIELD in scores of ways and plays, whatever the team’s talent level is.
You should acknowledge, then, that the Rams HAVE beaten superior teams a number of times. I don’t think “playing over their head” is sustainable, though, by any team, regardless of the coach. Weaker teams win the World Series occasionally, but it just doesn’t happen in football. They can upset good teams here and there, but nobody in the NFL gets away with playing over their heads week in and week out.
As far as the team’s sloppiness, I agree with that. Though I can’t tell how much is coaching, and how much is youth. Penalties are down this year a bit, and I don’t have any stats, but my eyeballs tell me missed tackles are down. It’s been only 3 games, though. I will be watching the sloppiness, and the blown assignments. I do want to see improvement there.
I just think that this season was destined from the start of camp (with a new QB, OC and OL, coupled with a brutal opening set of games), to really begin on Oct. 25 against the Browns. I am expecting the Rams to win 7 of their last 11 games.
October 3, 2015 at 2:03 pm in reply to: Wagoner: Run-first Rams' struggle go beyond the basics #31620Zooey
ModeratorWell, RFL, first of all, I just don’t know what I don’t know, and I’m reluctant to make judgments about what I don’t know. So, for example, nobody really knows what happened with Barksdale. You say the Rams SHOULD have gone to Barksdale early, and tried to make him feel wanted, and negotiate something that would have kept him here.
But the thing is, you don’t know that they didn’t do that. We DO know that Barksdale wanted a LOT more money than he eventually got on the open market. Meaning…Barksdale and his agent vastly overestimated his value.
So this is kind of made up, imo:
First, it was ridiculous to let Barksdale go. He was clearly miffed at being mucked about. It would not have cost that much to make him happy and keep him. Most likely, it would have been a matter of going to him early and making him feel wanted.
Keep Barksdale and the challenge this year would have been much less.
We all wanted Barksdale to stay, at least transitionally, including the Rams. Those talks broke down over money, but we don’t know which side bears responsibility for shutting that door. Therefore I don’t blame anybody. I don’t assume it was the Rams’ fault. I just don’t know.
The market was similarly cold for all OL. There are a lot of teams out there with OL needs, and there was just slim pickings in FA.
So the choice there may well have been 1. tie up cap space on a placeholder vet or two (and thus limit their ability to re-sign their own guys just as they emerge as red and blue chip players), or 2. go with rookies with high upside who are cheap, but better for the team in the long run both in terms of talent and finances (and health, incidentally).
They took option 2.
Now you may say that flies in the face of the “fast start” talk in preseason, and I respond by saying, “Big deal.” I don’t care. I want the team built right, and built sustainably for a 5 year run of contention.
If I was going to complain about the slow start, the OL personnel decisions aren’t where I would focus. I would complain that the first team offense didn’t get enough work in the preseason. Foles just hasn’t built any chemistry with his receivers, and the OL needs more experience. I would have played them more.
And my indulgence of Fisher boils down to this: He started with f*** all. And they are still the youngest team in the league. I am in awe of the foundation. Fisher has completely restocked the cupboards.
If they can keep this team together, they are going to win.
Zooey
ModeratorWhich is why they signed a WR to the practice squad, apparently.
I don’t know Zack.People are becoming increasingly frustrated with our offense.I am reading more and more that people want Fisher fired.What’s your take this?
I’m not Zack, obviously, but here are my thoughts:
1. Fisher isn’t going anywhere this year or next year, so there’s no point stressing out over it. I think Fisher could be on the hot seat next season (zn disagrees with me, or at least did). By that I mean I think he is safe through the length of his contract for certain, but a failure NEXT season might mean Stan will evaluate him. I don’t think it’s likely he is gone after next season, either, though. First of all, I am pretty confident the Rams will be in the playoffs next year, and this issue will recede to the standard issue 10% or so of fans who complain about the coach regardless unless he has wins the Super Bowl. Secondly, Stan has a track record of sticking with a course of action both in his sports teams, and in his business developments. He makes a plan, and he keeps pounding away until he wins.
2. This team was terrible when he took over in 2012. Awful. Scrubs. I think there are 7 guys left on the roster from when he took over. Meaning he had to go get 50 guys. That takes time. Furthermore, there have been a lot of substantial injuries, and turnovers in his coordinators. So his “failure” is excusable so far, though I agree it’s time to start winning. But the Rams are STILL the youngest team in the NFL, especially the OL which is about as green as a line can be. New QB, new OC, new OL = takes some time to gel. So that’s the “excuse” side of it.
3. I think there is a lot of talent on this team now, and signs they are ripening even though there are still setbacks. I think this team IS ripening, and I think after the bye, this team is going to start fulfilling its promise. It may not be enough to make the playoffs this year, but I AM optimistic about next year.
Just look at the Martz, Linehan, Spags drafts below from 2000 – 2011, and see what Fisher/Snead have done from 2012 on.
2014 – ST. LOUIS RAMS
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 2 Greg Robinson T Auburn
1 13 Aaron Donald DT Pittsburgh
2 41 Lamarcus Joyner CB Florida State
3 75 Tre Mason RB Auburn
4 110 Maurice Alexander SS Utah State
6 188 E.J. Gaines DB Missouri
6 214 Garrett Gilbert QB Southern Methodist
7 226 Mitchell Van Dyk T Portland State
7 241 Christian Bryant DB Ohio State
7 249 Michael Sam DE Missouri
7 250 Demetrius Rhaney C Tennessee State2013 – ST. LOUIS RAMS
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 8 Tavon Austin WR West Virginia
1 30 Alec Ogletree OLB Georgia
3 71 T.J. McDonald SS USC
3 92 Stedman Bailey WR West Virginia
4 113 Barrett Jones OG Alabama
5 149 Brandon McGee CB Miami (Fla.)
5 160 Zac Stacy RB Vanderbilt2012 – ST. LOUIS RAMS
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 14 Michael Brockers DT LSU
2 33 Brian Quick WR Appalachian State
2 39 Janoris Jenkins CB North Alabama
2 50 Isaiah Pead RB Cincinnati
3 65 Trumaine Johnson CB Montana
4 96 Chris Givens WR Wake Forest
5 150 Rokevious Watkins G South Carolina
6 171 Greg Zuerlein K Missouri Western State
7 209 Aaron Brown LB Hawaii
7 252 Daryl Richardson RB Abilene Christian2011 – ST. LOUIS RAMS
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 14 Robert Quinn DE North Carolina
2 47 Lance Kendricks TE Wisconsin
3 78 Austin Pettis WR Boise State
4 112 Greg Salas WR Hawaii
5 158 Jermale Hines DB Ohio State
7 216 Mikail Baker DB Baylor
7 228 Jabara Williams LB Stephen F. Austin St.
7 229 Jonathan Nelson DB Oklahoma2010 – ST. LOUIS RAMS
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 1 Sam Bradford QB Oklahoma
2 33 Rodger Saffold T Indiana
3 65 Jerome Murphy DB South Florida
4 99 Mardy Gilyard WR Cincinnati
5 132 Michael Hoomanawanui TE Illinois
5 149 Hall Davis DE Louisiana-Lafayette
6 170 Fendi Onobun TE Houston
6 189 Eugene Sims DE West Texas A&M
7 211 Marquis Johnson DB Alabama
7 226 George Selvie DE South Florida
7 254 Josh Hull LB Penn State2009 – ST. LOUIS RAMS
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 2 Jason Smith T Baylor
2 35 James Laurinaitis LB Ohio State
3 66 Bradley Fletcher DB Iowa
4 103 Darell Scott DT Clemson
5 160 Brooks Foster WR North Carolina
6 196 Keith Null QB West Texas A&M
7 211 Chris Ogbonnaya RB Texas2008 – ST. LOUIS RAMS
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 2 Chris Long DE Virginia
2 33 Donnie Avery WR Houston
3 65 John Greco T Toledo
4 101 Justin King CB Penn State
4 128 Keenan Burton WR Kentucky
5 157 Roy Schuening G Oregon State
7 228 Chris Chamberlain LB Tulsa
7 252 David Vobora LB Idaho2007 – ST. LOUIS RAMS
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 13 Adam Carriker NT Nebraska
2 52 Brian Leonard RB Rutgers
3 84 Jonathan Wade CB Tennessee
5 139 Dustin Fry C Clemson
5 154 Clifton Ryan DT Michigan State
6 190 Ken Shackleford T Georgia
7 248 Keith Jackson DT Arkansas
7 249 Derek Stanley WR Wis.-Whitewater2006 – ST. LOUIS RAMS
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 15 Tye Hill CB Clemson
2 46 Joe Klopfenstein TE Colorado
3 68 Claude Wroten DT Louisiana State
3 77 Jon Alston LB Stanford
3 93 Dominique Byrd TE USC
4 113 Victor Adeyanju DE Indiana
5 144 Marques Hagans WR Virginia
7 221 Tim McGarigle LB Northwestern
7 242 Mark Setterstrom G Minnesota
7 243 Tony Palmer G Missouri2005 – ST. LOUIS RAMS
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 19 Alex Barron T Florida State
2 50 Ronald Bartell CB Howard
3 66 O.J. Atogwe DB Stanford
3 81 Richie Incognito C Nebraska
4 117 Jerome Carter DB Florida State
4 134 Claude Terrell G New Mexico
5 144 Jerome Collins TE Notre Dame
6 192 Dante Ridgeway WR Ball State
6 210 Reggie Hodges P Ball State
7 250 Ryan Fitzpatrick QB Harvard
7 251 Madison Hedgecock RB North Carolina2004 – ST. LOUIS RAMS
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 24 Steven Jackson RB Oregon State
3 91 Anthony Hargrove DE Georgia Tech
4 130 Brandon Chillar OLB UCLA
5 158 Jason Shivers SAF Arizona State
6 201 Jeff Smoker QB Michigan State
7 237 Erik Jensen TE Iowa
7 238 Larry Turner C Eastern Kentucky2003 – ST. LOUIS RAMS
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 12 Jimmy Kennedy DT Penn State
2 43 Pisa Tinoisamoa OLB Hawaii
3 74 Kevin Curtis WR Utah State
4 106 Shaun McDonald WR Arizona State
4 107 DeJuan Groce CB Nebraska
5 148 Dan Curley TE Eastern Washington
5 170 Shane Walton CB Notre Dame
5 172 Kevin Garrett CB Southern Methodist
6 184 Scott Tercero G California
7 251 Scott Shanle LB Nebraska
7 254 Richard Angulo TE Western New Mexico2002 – ST. LOUIS RAMS
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 31 Robert Thomas OLB UCLA
2 64 Travis Fisher CB Central Florida
3 84 Lamar Gordon RB North Dakota State
3 95 Eric Crouch WR Nebraska
4 130 Travis Scott G Arizona State
5 167 Courtland Bullard LB Ohio State
6 205 Steve Bellisari DB Ohio State
7 243 Chris Massey C Marshall2001 – ST. LOUIS RAMS
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 12 Damione Lewis DT Miami (Fla.)
1 20 Adam Archuleta SS Arizona State
1 29 Ryan Pickett DT Ohio State
2 42 Tommy Polley OLB Florida State
3 83 Brian Allen LB Florida State
4 116 Milton Wynn WR Washington State
4 129 Brandon Manumaleuna TE Arizona
5 145 Jerametrius Butler CB Kansas State
6 197 Francis St. Paul — Northern Arizona2000 – ST. LOUIS RAMS
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 31 Trung Canidate RB Arizona
2 62 Jacoby Shepherd DB Oklahoma State
3 94 John St. Clair C Virginia
4 104 Kaulana Noa T Hawaii
5 139 Brian Young DE Texas-El Paso
6 198 Matt Bowen DB Iowa
7 220 Andrew Kline G San Diego StateZooey
ModeratorFisher is an idiot when it comes to wr’s. Maybe wait until Quick actually plays a game or two. A two years into the future 7th on the youngest team in the league stacked with 1s and 2s doesn’t bode well for future Rams teams though it does strengthen his legacy of failure.
Givens is in his last year. He hasn’t done anything to earn a second contract here. So Givens is gone after this season anyway.
So far this season: 1 Rec 7 yds.
Quick is better.
Zooey
ModeratorI don’t think either Sanders or Trump will get the nomination. The DNC isn’t going to want Sanders, and the Super Delegates aren’t going to want Sanders. The RNC isn’t going to want Trump.
I dunno.
Clinton v. Rubio? Or Biden if he runs?
This is an interesting horse race. While there is a lot of popular desire for an “outsider” this cycle, all of the outsiders appear kooky to the mainstream. You know, Obama managed to be an establishment guy who convinced voters he was Fresh Blood. I just don’t see a candidate this time who can replicate that. Sanders and Trump are not establishment guys, and the establishment, as well as the majority of American voters, do not want to go that far afield. As you know, even a lot of the Liberal Democrats are conservative. Can you imagine Waterfield voting for Sanders? I can’t. He will feel more comfortable with Biden or Clinton.
It’s gonna be an interesting 6 months.
BTW, I read somewhere that Boehner could lock up financing for the rest of Obama’s term before he leaves, thus preventing a government shutdown even after he is gone. I didn’t read the details on that, but that would be an interesting move.
October 3, 2015 at 11:42 am in reply to: Wagoner: Run-first Rams' struggle go beyond the basics #31606Zooey
ModeratorI think Fisher is still building for the future. He’s not in “win now” mode, because he knows he doesn’t have to be. His job is as secure as Belicheck’s. So he’s building every aspect of this team exactly the way he wants it without compromise while knowing he’s going to take some lumps in the process. He’s doing this because he knows he doesn’t have to win now.
You may be right.
And if so, well, I at least would consider that to be a cynical attitude. And damn tough on StL fans who have endured decades of lousy football and ALSO are looking at losing their team just when Fisher’s plans come to fruition.
I’d actually consider this, if true, to be more despicable than mere incompetence.
I don’t think it’s cynical. And the StL vs. LA thing just isn’t Fisher’s responsibility, and I’d be pissed, frankly, if that issue was influencing personnel decisions.
The alternative to attempting to build a rock-solid team from the ground up, patiently, over time, is to try to build one quickly through FA. Well, you can only grab so many guys through FA, and the fact is the Rams did what they could there only to have those players explode. I just don’t think there is any evidence that Fisher is complacently “mailing it in” in terms of building a winner. Actually, I don’t even know what that would mean, or look like.
I mean…”win now” mode is easier if you have the players. Fisher started out with very few quality players, and some of those weren’t ever on the field.
I am tired of the losing, too. We all are. But the explanation for their failure to win yet lies in personnel. I think this is the first season when we’ve looked at the Rams and been able to say, “Yeah, every unit on the team has talent now.” But one of those units -the OL – had to be completely overhauled this offseason, and it is just a bunch of babies. Their sluggish start was expected. And we don’t really know for sure that the line is fixed. GRob is a question mark, and Havenstein and Barnes haven’t dashed all doubts.
This is a young and talented team. Their day is coming, and it’s coming soon. And as I said in the preseason, I think next season is the season the Rams HAVE to produce (barring a rash of injuries).
Zooey
Moderator7th rounder in 2017 according to CBS.
Zooey
ModeratorSo for example it would not even occur to him to compare the relative experience of the Rams D v. the ARZ D, or the Rams OL v. the ARZ OL. That stuff is just not on his horizon. He doesn’t even think to do it. When confronted with material like that, and an analysis that differs from his, he trots out the great “shut down conversation” word….”excuses.” (Excuses = an analysis you don’t like. That’s it, that’s all it ever means in football discussions
Nor does he look at what the Cardinals had vs. the Rams to begin with.
I look at Bernie as a fan. A fan with a significant homer bent to everything he sees. That’s really what he is except he has a column. He isn’t objective, and I don’t think he knows how to be. Like you said, he is a cherry-picker. Sometimes he is interesting to read.
Zooey
ModeratorThe Cardinals will look back on this game as one for which they wish that they had never suited up.
Because they so thoroughly destroy the Rams that they recoil in horror much like the captain and crew of the Enola Gay?
ADMIN: I thought we got rid of all Raiders fans from this forum. What’s Nittany still doing here?
Zooey
ModeratorThe Cardinals will look back on this game as one for which they wish that they had never suited up.
Zooey
ModeratorI have more hope for the AZ game than GB. They play AZ tough, generally, though iirc, they don’t do as well in AZ as in St.L.
September 28, 2015 at 9:48 pm in reply to: Rams sign Toon to PS, move McGee to reg roster, and cut Pead. #31390Zooey
ModeratorIt sounds like now, that Toon was signed to the Practice Squad. That would make more sense.
I didn’t think players with more than a couple of years experience could be signed to a practice squad.
Zooey
ModeratorIn any event, caterpillars don’t come out of them. They go IN them.
A butterfly comes out. Or a moth.
So if the Rams caterpillar is coming out, we got a problem.
September 28, 2015 at 7:05 pm in reply to: Rams sign Toon to PS, move McGee to reg roster, and cut Pead. #31382Zooey
ModeratorREPORT: St. Louis Rams Will Sign WR Nick Toon
The obvious suggested implication? WR Brian Quick is done. After the serious shoulder and rotator cuff injury he suffered last year, he nearly had his career cut short for him:
Well, does it necessarily mean Quick is finished? Perhaps it’s just a case of Fisher looking for immediate help for an offense averaging 8 pts a game over the last two weeks.
Quick may still figure into his plans when he’s finally back to full speed, if that happens.
Well, somebody is done. Presumably a WR.
Another shoe is sailing earthward now.
Zooey
ModeratorIt is frustrating to think we could be 3-0. But the Washington lose upset me, this one, not near as much.
Well, prepare for 1-4 because that is where this is headed.
Zooey
ModeratorTavon has actually shut me up this year so far. He has been a very good complementary player.
The problem is that so far there has been no one to complement.
Zooey
ModeratorWell, I’m a broken record. After all three games, my main complaint is Foles’ inaccuracy.
Stone hands don’t help, either.
And Hekker…geez. That guy is going to get demoted to 4th string QB.
Zooey
ModeratorThey all have to deal with price, performance, and fuel economy.
As do we…ie. the consumers. We want emissions standards. If some businesses can’t deal maybe they can retract some of their rhetoric about being competitive. Cause many auto makers handle this stuff and thrive.
Yeah. Because while a car with emission controls costs a bit more, it doesn’t cost as much as treating asthma, bronchitis, and cancer. Etc.
Zooey
ModeratorI disagree. A car has to be able to be sold at a competitive price. It also has to achieve a certain level of performance relative to the competition in order to get market share. I believe it was a last resort considering the EPA and Eurozone mandates hit on price, performance and fuel economy. Eventually mandates serve to deny products rather than spur development. Engineering and materials science are finite. Mandates are infinite. No doubt other manufacturers were doing the same and I won’t be surprised to learn it extended to gasoline vehicles too.
But every car maker has the exact same challenge, so it levels out the competitiveness of pricing. It’s not like VW was hit with higher emission standards than everybody else. They all have to deal with price, performance, and fuel economy.
VW chose – illegally – to get an edge, not to “keep up.”
Zooey
ModeratorNot funny. Though I hope I can get one much cheaper as a result. Amazing technology yet it couldn’t keep up with ever stringent EPA mandates. Won’t be limited to VW either.
I don’t think it’s because they COULDN’T keep up. It’s that it was cheaper to bypass the regulations.
Zooey
ModeratorOkay. Well,I understand that, and it makes sense. But on any pass play, you’ve got to either pressure the QB, or disrupt the passing lanes. Preferably both. On a 3-step drop, there just isn’t enough time to consistently get pressure.
I will be watching this Sunday if I can get a feed.
Zooey
ModeratorWell, Boehner was not a moderate in any sense other than the fact that he did reside in reality based politics. He did want to get deals done. I think he believed the shutdown was a bad idea.
And his replacement, although more conservative than Boehner (gag me), is also a resident of practical politics. The people he is aligned with ideologically aren’t, though. There are about 50 Republicans who are just nuts, who think shutting down the government is actually a good idea. They are the “drown it in the bathtub” crowd. Stunning to think nearly 10% of congress actually hates government that much.
In any event, that party may just end up eating its own over the next decade, but there’s just so many of them, and they are just so rich, I’m afraid they can continue causing damage indefinitely.
September 24, 2015 at 1:02 pm in reply to: Feeling good about Sunday…the "will Rams beat Steelers" thread #31109Zooey
ModeratorThis is the game to which Steelers fans are going to point to as the one where they saw their season go down the drain.
Zooey
ModeratorI saw your post about two hours ago, and didn’t catch the allusion.
Just opened up a news site….
That’s hilarious.
Zooey
ModeratorSo the guy gets burned half the time, huh?
Zooey
ModeratorYou know what Franke said about the defense that was brilliant?
Kirk Cousins had the highest INT rate of any NFL QB; heaven forbid we would want to defend WRs tightly and put pressure on him to try to force him into mistakes.
Ahem.
Zooey
ModeratorBetter. Thanks.
September 20, 2015 at 11:35 pm in reply to: Rams not a road team yet? (official Wash game response thread) #30981Zooey
ModeratorI personally, did not think Foles was “inaccurate” last week.
I dont think thats the word i would use. That pass to Stedman
was like Warner-to-Proehl. It was dead perfect in the clutch.w
vWell, you’re totally wrong. Completely and utterly, mind-blowingly wrong.
Go read Franke’s review. (I think it was him who verified what I saw). Foles had a couple bad passes, a throw completely behind Cook (I think), and one he sailed over somebody’s head. But he also had several passes that floated too much, that made the receiver hitch up, and otherwise failed to lead the way Warner and Bulger did. Throw it where the receiver can catch it in stride and run with it.
He got away with it more last week, and yes, the throw to Bailey was pinpoint accurate. I’m not saying he’s NEVER accurate. The TD pass to Britt today was pretty damn sharp. But he missed a wide open Austin for a TD today, and I don’t know how many other passes – several under 10 yards in the air – he flat out missed and threw incomplete. He was worse today, for sure, but all last week he had several completions that made me feel like I was on an old wooden roller coaster.
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