zn wrote:

Zooey wrote:

AFAIK all the plans were shown to the owners on more than one occasion. All three made presentations at the October meeting for sure. Then the meeting this week started with the Raiders, Rams, and Chargers making their pitches. So I don’t know what the hell zn is talking about there.

You could be right. I just know I was echoing something I read. This may turn out to be a semantics thing, I don’t know. I will say this. I deliberately did not keep up with the details on the move controversies. Usually when I address an issue, I really research it, or at least I look things up. On this, though, I have only picked up bits and pieces. Out there, on different boards, the relocation wars involved a lot of back and forth over minutia, the way board wars do, and I just could not read those. I am not really in a position to make detailed judgments about what is being said. So at the moment I am not able to debate it the way I can on issues where I deliberately read widely to be informed. Maybe that will change, maybe it won’t. Either way, what you say as a rejoinder to that one statement by me makes sense.

Okay, then. I thought you knew something I don’t, but it seems I followed this story more closely than you did, and I distinctly remember stadium presentations to all of the owners in October, and have a less reliable recollection that the stadium committee received updates sometime after that.

zn wrote:

Agamemnon wrote:

I heard this on the radio. kroenke was the reason St. Louis didn’t get an expansion team. He wouldn’t pay the guy who had the stadium lease what he wanted. StL stalls and the Jags are born. I am not sure who was right. But that was bad on somebody. All I remembered was StL blew it.

That’s interesting.

That could be true only if Kroenke had exclusive rights to own the expansion team, or exclusive rights to negotiate the stadium lease. And I can’t see either one of those things being factual.

So I am going to say No Sale on that one. I don’t believe it.

nittany ram wrote:

wv wrote:

They are interviewing “passing game co-ordinators” ?

I wonder if that will lead to any changes
in the passing approach.

w
v

I like Boras and the offense did seem to respond to him somewhat. But part of me wonders why give the OC position to someone who needs a passing game coordinator? Maybe they should hire an experienced coordinator with an established track record and let Boras apprentice at his side.

Does not seem to bode well, does it? I mean…what OC needs help with the passing game? That means Boras is in charge of giving the ball to Gurley? WTF? I could do that.

Well, Dak, I am greatly sorry for your despair, if that’s the right word. I’ve been reading the distress of St. Louis fans this week, and feeling the pain of your pain. We all saw this possibility coming, and now suddenly, here we are. I’ve been more or less silent since the decision because I just know there isn’t really anything that I can say about it. For my own selfish reasons, I wish I had some kind of perspective I could offer that you would find useful, you in particular because we have been through some transformative times together, and I consider you an important friend with commonalities outside the NFL that matter more than the NFL connection. I will miss your presence, and hope you do find yourself on the other board at least, even if you can’t find any interest in the Rams fan part of it.

PA Ram wrote:

They will struggle to support one team–much less two.

Really, Spanos had kind of locked himself into LA. He had no choice but to put his head down and go crawling to SK.

I sort of agree.

I think he could still make something happen in San Diego. There is a willingness down there to do something, and a ballot coming up. Problem is now, if he works with San Diego, the Raiders can go there.

What’s worse? Living in Kroenke’s spare bedroom, or staying in San Diego and having your bowl-cut, red-headed cousin live in the spare bedroom?

If this is the same bit I heard live on the radio the other day, Farr said he thought Los Angeles would draw more interest from free agents.

wv wrote:

Zooey wrote:

I liked it, but…damn. It’s the same story.

Yeah. Exactly. Same story,
but i kinda liked it.

Friend of mine said he was disappointed
that there weren’t more “Aliens.”
I think i agree. I would have liked to see
some more creativity.

w
v

Dang, it even had a reprise of the famous cantina scene.

Mackeyser wrote:

Yep, vote went 30-2, per Sam Farmer of the LA Times as well as on NFL Network.

Super sorry for St. Louisans.

How this impacts Free Agency for the Rams, I dunno.

I do think it may help retain Janoris Jenkins. That’s a real thing. Beyond that, I dunno.

I can’t imagine how St. Louis must feel. I understand once. But to go through the Bidwell stuff, then get a new team that wins the Super Bowl, and then get dumped again in such a brutal way. Man, that is tough.

Yeah, Jenkins made it clear he would love to play in LA.

While Kroenke shat all over St. Louis, I don’t think it damages St. Louis’s chances of hosting an NFL team. It probably damages the chances of them keeping the Rams because everybody can see that relationship is shot. Like a couple where one person really, really wants to break up, there isn’t much point after a while for the partner to keep trying to mend the relationship.

But even of the owners kind of buy into the “St. Louis isn’t fit” argument, the offer just needs to be reshuffled a bit for everyone to look at it afresh. In any event, the question will be “Is St. Louis better than the alternative?” In Kroenke’s case, the answer is No. In someone else’s situation, the answer may be yes.

Not that that should cheer up St. Louis fans. But. Just saying.

Dak wrote:

I didn’t get to see the Hawks-Vikings game. That missed FG, hoo boy, that was just awful. How does a pro kicker miss that?

Ask Scott Norwood.

Agamemnon wrote:

I don’t buy the ‘Laces Theory’, unless the kick is longer than 40 yards. I will buy the choke theory on a gimme.

His foot struck the ball underneath the laces anyway.

He shanked it.

bnw wrote:

wv wrote:

Dak wrote:

Stan’s getting excoriated in the press here, by everybody. Business leaders, government leaders, fans, media … it’s what you’d expect, I guess. There is some very strong vitriol, and most of it comes from that scathing attack on STL as a viable market. I don’t see how Stan can show his face in Missouri again, not that he plans to.

Well, in a diabolical way that works ‘for’ him.
I mean, he can argue to the NFL that relations
are so poisoned and hostile now in St.Louis that
he cant possibly be expected to stay.

w
v

Worse than that he does it at the expense of St. Louis getting another team. StanK salted the field. St. Louis is the Carthage of the NFL.

Nah, he is just making the public cough up another $100 million.

Both Washington AND Minnesota losing in the playoffs on the same day?

Beautiful.

Could not have scripted a better ending.

Seattle gags up the game. Just totally has the game won, and they gag it up.

Only to have Minnesota gag up even worse, and puke the game right back in their lap.

Both teams lost through ineptitude.

Classic. Thing of beauty.

InvaderRam wrote:

looks like they got at least 4 starters out of this class? possibly the foundation of a brand new offense?

shoot. if mannion pans out…

If Mannion pans out….

I dunno what that means. Steve Young played in the USFL for a couple of years, then went to Tampa for a couple of years, then sat behind Montana for a couple of years. Then he panned out.

Rodgers sat behind Favre I dunno how long. Brady sat behind Bledsoe for a couple years.

I dunno.

Go Mannion! Cuz it fer shur ain’t Foles, and it ain’t Keenum.