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ZooeyModeratorThose are alarming stories. I am sorry to hear that these things happened.
I don’t have any advice, either, but I would make a comment…those guys didn’t beat up your brother-in-law because they are Hispanic.
They beat him up because they are assholes.
The two things are not connected.
ZooeyModeratorI just saw someone claim she was drunk, peed on the carpet, and hit him in the face, and wouldn’t leave his room.
I haven’t read that in a reliable source, but even if it’s true, I feel pretty confident that a professional athlete can handle a drunken woman without kicking her.
It just seems like for every step forward we take as a society, we also roll 1000 feet off the side of a cliff.
Yep.
ZooeyModeratorI don’t care if the Chiefs saw the Instant Replay or not.
In their own statement, they said that the NFL investigated it. I do not believe that the Chiefs had nothing to go on but what Hunt told them personally. There is no way there were not lengthy conversations between the Chiefs and the NFL office, and between the NFL office and the prosecutor’s office (why no charges when the woman said she wanted to press charges?), and I don’t think there is anything in that video that changed the Chiefs understanding so dramatically that suddenly they have discovered there was Unnecessary Roughness.
They knew. And they took their chances that it wouldn’t go public, and were already prepared with their response in the eventuality that it got out.
ZooeyModeratorSo…law enforcement and the NFL investigated this, and nobody who knew about the video bothered to inform the Chiefs until 8 months later. I mean…that’s what you have to believe in order to come out and praise the Chiefs right now.
That is so stupid I have no words.
ZooeyModeratorZooey, so how did it go?
A magical feast for Thanksgiving?
It all went okay, but my wife commandeered the entire meal, and relegated me to Sous Chef, so at her insistence, she did all the cooking. I chopped and diced, and made a couple of appetizers, and that was that. She spent two days at the computer researching recipes (I told her it wasn’t necessary…not like the menu has changed in the last 400 years), but that’s how it went.
And it was all great.
Thanks to everyone for the effort. I just ended up marginalized entirely in the project as it happens.
ZooeyModeratorRams off the bye…50 points. Lions…20 or fewer.


ZooeyModeratorNo, seriously…fuck them.
I am considering here the possibility that I am more disgusted by their cutting Hunt today and trying to pin the fucking embarrassment all on HIM when they OBVIOUSLY KNEW about this, and chose to use Hunt until he became a liability to THEM (I mean…screw the beat up girl, right?), and then they throw HIM under the bus as if the issue is his dishonesty.
“Oh, me! {sigh} Alas that we believed Kareem when he told us that he didn’t hurt that girl. If we only KNEW…{sigh, moan}.
Assholes.
Seriously fucking assholes.
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ZooeyModeratorThey knew video evidence existed. They all knew. There is no WAY that they didn’t know.
There is no WAY that this video changes the NFL’s or the Chiefs understanding of what happened, and for them to imply that Hunt denied doing it and had the benefit of the doubt until today is Grade A mercenary BullShit.
They released Hunt because all of us now know of the existence of this video.
So…just for emphasis…they did not have a moral conscience about this beating until society found out about it.
I am disgusted, though in no way surprised, by the mercenary amorality of rich sons of bitches. Fuck them.
ZooeyModeratorSaints still have 2 against Carolina, and one against the Steelers. They could lose another one.
ZooeyModeratorWorked for me, in the end. I will take it.
ZooeyModeratorWhat’s sorcery is this? We actually get the Rams’ game, JoeMad?
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ZooeyModeratorThe way I see it is that the Rams owe playoff payback to Dallas, Washington, and Minnesota. So I’m fine with anyone of those teams stepping up to the guillotine in Los Angeles.
I agree Washington isn’t likely to make it. When your QB got run out of Cleveland….
The Cowboys will get in by default, and Seattle is a likely entry because they’ve been playing better, and their running game seems to be solid. And then…the Vikings. I’d be happy to see MN or DAL in the first game.
ZooeyModeratorWill Presti@WillPresti
Aaron Rodgers is now 0-37 when trailing by more than one point in the 4th quarter to a team with a winning record. That’s a real stat. #GBvsMIN #SNF #Packers #VikingsWhat?
Say that again.
Yeah it’s not true though. Seen that stat before, it circulates. But this year in their opening game GB came from behind to beat the Bears, who have a winning record.
The old stat was that it was 35 games, but that was before this year.
I don;t know why whoever wrote that forgot about the Chicago game.
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So…what are you saying? That Rodgers is 1-37 when trailing in the 4th by 2 or more points to a team with a winning record?
That’s…that’s…that’s what I’d expect from…from Tony Banks. From Colt McCoy. From JaMarcus Russell. I have a hard time believing this.
ZooeyModeratorWill Presti@WillPresti
Aaron Rodgers is now 0-37 when trailing by more than one point in the 4th quarter to a team with a winning record. That’s a real stat. #GBvsMIN #SNF #Packers #VikingsWhat?
Say that again.
ZooeyModeratorI saw that game.
I feel privileged. That was a helluva thing. And I’m proud it was a Ram who did it.
Whatagame.
ZooeyModeratorThat is as poor a docket of games as I can recall ever seeing.
I guess the CAR SEA game holds the most interest for me, but I won’t watch it since I will be blessed in my region with the 9ers Bucs game. Depending on what is going on this evening, I may tune into some of the Packers Vikings, but I’m not sitting down to watch anything today. There just aren’t any games that matter this week. I don’t care about the AFC, and the NFC has 3 teams in it that matter this year, and another 5 or 6 teams that are vying for a token visit to the postseason. And those 5 or 6 teams won’t be playing in do-or-die games for a few more weeks. There just isn’t anything really at stake today.
ZooeyModeratorTrump lies constantly. About a gazillion things. Over and over. And yet, sometimes he pulls back the curtain. I think thats why factions in the CIA hate him. Thats just a guess.
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vHis clumsiness and ignorance certainly drew attention in this case to the fact that the US does not care about the murder of a journalist when there is money at stake.
But…you know…it has been pretty obvious to many of us long before now. I’m not sure there is a silver lining here. The people who can connect dots already have. They aren’t going to learn that skill now, even with the blatant ham-fisted ramblings of the misfit in chief.
ZooeyModeratorWell they havent come out flat all year long. 11 games and no flat ones.
But once upon a time, there was a team in Los Angeles that was 11 and 1.
Heavily favored over a group of Lions. A December game.28-0 Lions.
(chuck knox was oline coach of the Lions)link:https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/ram/1969.htm
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vKnox has moved on, so no worries.
ZooeyModeratorHe supports the Schiano Proposal that I described above: the team that scores gets the ball at their own 30 and it’s 4th down. In most cases, that team will punt (which is safer statistically). But they can go for it, keeping the game alive in the late 4th quarter in the same way the onside kick does. And, in fact, the probability of making that 4th down conversion is greater (but still not good) than the probability of recovering an onside kick.
It actually all sounds reasonable to me.
This would mean, of course, that we would have to let go of all of the “holding” and “illegal block in the back” penalties the Rams earn on kick returns.
But sometimes progress requires sacrifice.
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I’m in favor of this change. I opposed it until I saw this video because there IS excitement in KO returns. But he convinced me with the arguments that A) it is by far the most dangerous play in the game, and 2) it doesn’t actually make any difference, even if your favorite team happens to possess Dante Hall or Tony Horne. That was compelling to me. It makes little difference if the KO return goes to the 18 or the 42.
The Schiano proposal keeps games alive (like the onside kick) down to the last 2 minutes of (2 score) games, and it reduces head trauma. And I think it is actually kind of Awesome that the team that scores retains control of the ball, albeit in a disadvantageous position.
Up until now, I was thinking, “Yeah, sure, kickoffs are dangerous, but anything else would suck (i.e. just giving the other team the ball at the 20 or 25). And it kills the Onside Kick which is an important element.”
This proposal solves all that.
I vote Aye.
ZooeyModeratorI read somewhere else that MBS was somehow disruptive to the goal of regime change in Iran, but I don’t remember the connection between the two.
November 24, 2018 at 10:56 am in reply to: quotes from other fans (Lions, Bears, Eagles, Cards) + 1 new Lions fans posts #94403
ZooeyModeratorI loved the “Aaron Donald is a goddamned cheat code” line.
Also…”I’m watching Madden Night Football…LOL.”
And…”Damn. What sorcery is this?”
That was as good a collection of comments as I’ve seen compiled.
Props to Hacksaw for that.
ZooeyModeratorSo what you’re saying is that the Rams are clearly the better team because they won’t suffer cramps the next time they play each other.
ZooeyModeratorYeah, Kap has been deliberately screwed. There is no question about it.
Washington is going with Colt McCoy? And bringing in Mark Sanchez?
There is no way
ZooeyModeratorHe supports the Schiano Proposal that I described above: the team that scores gets the ball at their own 30 and it’s 4th down. In most cases, that team will punt (which is safer statistically). But they can go for it, keeping the game alive in the late 4th quarter in the same way the onside kick does. And, in fact, the probability of making that 4th down conversion is greater (but still not good) than the probability of recovering an onside kick.
ZooeyModeratorI think most analysis is superficial, and tends towards cliche. And some analysis tries to stand out from the pack by saying something unconventional. Loudly, if possible. This argument that the Chiefs are better seems to be based mostly on the fact that the Chiefs had 5 TOs and that is a high water mark that ordinarily won’t happen, and therefore the Chiefs would have won without that anomaly occurring.
TOs are big. They are momentum changers, and often result in good field position. In this case, two of the TOs were directly converted to points by rEbuke’em.
But turnovers are not in and of themselves points. They are turnovers. Punts are turnovers, too. Missed FGs are turnovers, and failed 4th down plays are turnovers. Throw all these into a brand new category we can call “Stops.”
The Chiefs had the ball 8 times that they did not score if you add the 3 punts to the 5 TOs. The Rams had 4 punts and 2 TOs for a total of 6 Stops (not counting the kneeldowns at the half and end of game which shouldn’t count…they weren’t Stops).
So basically what I’m arguing is that a deflected pass on 3rd down, or a hurry that creates a bad throw, or a sack on 3rd down, are all almost as good as an INT or Fumble. It’s basically the same principle that had Donald rated very highly by PFF the first four weeks of the season even though he didn’t record a single sack. Turnovers are striking, and perhaps psychologically important, but…a Stop is a Stop.
I don’t think it makes any sense to conclude the Chiefs are better because of the 5 TO anomaly that will not happen if they meet again in the Super Bowl.
I don’t know how one concludes anything from that game other than that the two teams are evenly matched, and the outcome is pretty much a tossup.
The analysts are going to talk because that’s their job. And that means their job is to say things that are interesting, and it’s always more interesting to take an unconventional position than a conventional position. I mean…do they REALLY believe that the Chiefs proved they are the better team? I mean…REALLY?
ZooeyModeratorI watched about 2 minutes. Then I felt he had nothing really intelligent to say, so I quit wasting my time.
Watch from the 5 minute mark to 8 minutes. That is the core argument. He started with his weakest point and worked his way to his strongest points.
ZooeyModeratorOnsides are a fluke bounce. He builds a whole case on how kickoffs are stupid and bad (and the most dangerous play, even when a team takes a touchback).
Jeff Wilkins was actually great at OSKs. Wasn’t just a fluke.

Yeah, I thought about him.
He played on turf which is advantageous.
But the injury risk is still there on kickoffs regardless of how excellent the Rams are historically compared to the other wanna-be teams in the NFL.
ZooeyModeratorDid you watch the video?
That – to me – was the big disadvantage to doing away with kickoffs. No onsides.
But what he proposes in lieu of kickoffs is that the team that scores gets the ball at…I think the 30…but it is 4th and 15, or 4th and 10. So they will usually punt. But they can go for it if they choose to. Either a fake punt, or line up and run with the QB. Either way, you have a regular football play with strategy. Onsides – all kickoffs, according to him – are just without strategy. Onsides are a fluke bounce. He builds a whole case on how kickoffs are stupid and bad (and the most dangerous play, even when a team takes a touchback).
ZooeyModeratorUsually in November we are killing time waiting for FA and the draft.
Now we are killing time waiting for the playoffs.
This way is better.
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