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ZooeyModeratorIt is kind of a sad commentary on our times that tickets to the game are going for only $3,500. It’s like there aren’t any true fans out there anymore, the kind who would sell their daughters into slavery for a chance to see their team play in the Super Bowl.
People just take these things for granted nowadays, without a single thought of the great men and women who died fighting for our freedom to spend thousands of dollars on a fucking football game.
January 28, 2019 at 7:46 pm in reply to: the non-call issue continues & has earned another thread #97420ZooeyModeratorThe perception among most fans has always been that the refs aren’t very good. I never agreed with that assessment but I would like to see replay applied to penalties. The important thing is getting the call right, no matter how that happens.
JEEE ZUSSS CHRIST!
Why don’t you just come out and SAY you hate the Rams? OMG, this has just been going on too long with you.
January 28, 2019 at 12:26 am in reply to: the non-call issue continues & has earned another thread #97390ZooeyModeratorConcern around NFL that 4 officials in NFC Championship Game live in Southern California
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ZooeyModeratorI think the Rams are good. I think the Patriots are good.
My main concern is the decided advantage the Patriots have in experience. This is B&B’s 9th Super Bowl. Ninth. And, yeah, they haven’t gone undefeated like the Noll/Bradshaw Steelers or the Walsh/Montana/Young 49ers, but NINE Super Bowls. I really can’t come up with an argument against the proposition that the Patriots are the greatest dynasty in NFL history, and the greatest dynasty of the modern sports era.
They are old hands at the bright lights, and it’s all about the game to them.
The Rams, meanwhile, have never experienced this media onslaught with a handful of exceptions. I think 5 guys, and I don’t know who they are. Phillips, presumably, is one. But Sean McVay better have a way to focus these guys on the Patriots rather than the cameras and Twitter and swarms of celebrities from far and wide.
And the enormous pressure.
I just have a concern about the First Quarter Yips. The Rams had the Yips last year against the Falcons, and never recovered. The Patriots are not going to have the Yips. And I don’t think the Rams can afford to make a couple of mistakes before settling down, especially because a couple of mistakes could very well tighten them up.
I think we will see in the first quarter whether or not the Rams will be there at the end.
ZooeyModeratorIf we go back and fix all the missed calls on the play, it is off setting penalties, replay the down.
yeah, donald does get fouled.
it’d have to be replayed.
and payton needs five fingers across the face.
No, replay doesn’t work like that. The challenge is for a specific thing. New things can’t enter into it. So the challenge in this case would be whether or not there was PI on the play. They couldn’t identify the hands to the face on Peat or whoever was holding Brockers.
They could, however, identify the tipped ball because that would directly relate to whether there was PI or not. Since the ball apparently was not tipped, a challenge would have resulted in PI. The other penalties are not subject to review.
However…if a coach can challenge a Non-Call, then what would stop McVay from throwing a challenge on the hands to the face (which was more flagrant than the hold)?
Now that I think about it, I would think that if the rule changes, it would be to challenge a penalty call, not a Non-Call. That would be problematic…since there is a penalty on almost every single play. Yeah…I bet if there is a rule change, it would be to allow a coach to challenge a Call. You can’t have them challenging Non-Calls. That would be a nightmare.
So even if they change the rule, the rule change they adopt wouldn’t have helped the Saints anyway. That’s my guess.
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January 25, 2019 at 9:56 am in reply to: Snead’s Decisions Good & Bad Have Paid Off & Now Rams Are Heading to Super Bowl #97258ZooeyModeratorI couldn’t make it through that article.
Way too much artificial sweetener. I’m interested in the topic, but when a coy appositive made me gag for the third time, I had to hit the back button. Just…yuck.
ZooeyModeratorLMU93
a stat just mentioned on Boston sports radio
No team has ever won the Super Bowl with a losing road record (regular season). Patriots are 4-5 in 2018.
Just another anecdote.
By the way, Rams are 7-2 this year on the road (and 15-3 overall away from the Coliseum under McVay).
Actually, the Pats were 3-5 on the road in the regular season. That 4th road win is last week in KC.
3-5. They truly suck as a franchise. Word here in California is that they robbed the Chiefs, and don’t deserve to be in the Super Bowl.
ZooeyModeratorThat is a good one.
January 23, 2019 at 8:45 pm in reply to: the non-call issue continues & has earned another thread #97207ZooeyModeratoroh yeah. it’ll die down eventually.
in this day of 24 hour news channels. online media, and social media outlets everything seems to get amplified more than it used to. but it’ll eventually settle down.
Actually…it’s amping up. And it’s not just Saints fans.
I don’t see that. I have listened to only a little radio since Monday, but the CBS and ESPN websites don’t have any follow-up stories (well…ESPN has one about the Saints GM, but it’s a “getting over it” story, not a “fan the flames” story).
January 23, 2019 at 8:26 pm in reply to: the non-call issue continues & has earned another thread #97205ZooeyModeratorAgreed, Zooey. The chosen angle makes it obvious. The other one makes it look bang bang. A ref looking at it from one angle could easily make the no-call. But not the other.
I just re-watched it on my desktop computer where I have better control over Stop Go than I did on the Chromebook I used last night. From the live angle (which is a better angle than the angle they showed repeatedly on replay), R-C clearly hit him early, and by quite a bit. At full speed it looks bang-bang, but if you freeze it at contact, the ball is 4 feet from the receiver. So…yeah…I’m dropping the “it may not be as bad as they say” argument.
I will never drop the “tough shit; that’s the breaks” argument. “You lost the game AFTER that play, anyway, by letting the Rams drive not once, but TWICE on your defense.”
January 23, 2019 at 6:39 pm in reply to: the non-call issue continues & has earned another thread #97195ZooeyModeratorSo…I say…let’em raise hell. They are entitled to raise hell.
also. the more they raise hell the funnier it gets.
I do think there is a tipping point. Seriously, most people don’t actually care. Eventually, the non-partisans are going to get sick of the story, and since most of them know what it feels like to have their team “robbed,” they are going to turn on people who won’t get over it, and move on. Is my guess.
January 23, 2019 at 6:35 pm in reply to: the non-call issue continues & has earned another thread #97193ZooeyModerator
ZooeyModeratorHe’s an odd one. I cant think of a QB to compare him with. I’m not gonna list his attributes and flaws cause we all know them by now, but…he’s an odd one.
The important thing is, he has now answered the big question: Is he clutch in pressure-packed playoff situations? Yes. He is.
Btw, wv-mom watched the game and her comment about Goff was: “Did you notice how SKINNY the Rams QB is? He’s too skinny.”
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vBy “odd,” I assume you are referring to his uncanny accuracy combined with his canny inaccuracy. Or whatever.
He isn’t exactly erratic. That isn’t the right word. He is just odd in the way he can flick a ball into a ridiculously tight moving window time and time again, and then miss a target by 10 yards. That, I assume, will go away over time.
Dude is 24.
The youngest starting QB in Super Bowl history. And the Rams are going to have him for a long, long time. How cool is this?
January 23, 2019 at 6:12 pm in reply to: the non-call issue continues & has earned another thread #97190ZooeyModerator
From Whitworth’s Twitter feed.
January 23, 2019 at 3:56 pm in reply to: the non-call issue continues & has earned another thread #97180ZooeyModerator
January 23, 2019 at 10:46 am in reply to: the non-call issue continues & has earned another thread #97171ZooeyModeratorI suspect that their emotional level is higher partly because of their brutal loss to the Vikings last year. Two terrible losses in the row.
I also think…and I haven’t seen anyone comment on this, so maybe it’s just me…but when I saw the play live, it didn’t look terrible. The replay they kept running was from behind the play, and depth perception is skewed from that angle. From that angle it looks awful. I rewatched the game last night, and…again…it looked more bang-bang than the replays. I would like to see it from some other angle, but apparently there isn’t one.
Anyway. The clear response for the Rams is to blow out the Patriots.
January 23, 2019 at 10:37 am in reply to: Refs also missed several calls that really hurt Rams #97169ZooeyModerator4 catches 36 yards— Mike Thomas
9 carries 31 yards — mark Ingram
8 carries 15 yards— Alvin Kamara
The refs decided the game though.
Oh I don’t think the refs decided the game. Far from it.
What I do think is that for many, that argument doesn’t go anywhere. The “non-call” fills their mental horizon.
And I’m saying those people don’t have a lot of mental horizon to fill.
January 23, 2019 at 1:09 am in reply to: Refs also missed several calls that really hurt Rams #97141ZooeyModerator
January 23, 2019 at 12:51 am in reply to: Refs also missed several calls that really hurt Rams #97139ZooeyModeratorI dunno.
I don’t think many people care enough to cling to any narrative on the game one way or the other.
Well around here it’s everywhere. It comes up constantly and is the single most dominant thing said about the Rams. My wife’s drive to work is about 45 minutes and basically that’s all that got said about the Rams on the radio. They’re not very good, the refs gave them the game. I’ve already experienced it a few times—a friend will say, but they stole the game on the non-call, and I’ll go bs the Saints had a chance after that to win and threw an INT, and what I get is laughter…as in, oh look, Rams fan, of course he’s going to say stuff like that. It’s not even derisive, it’s just hey you;re cute when you stick up for your team like that in the face of obvious truth.
Okay.
What you do is you get some 12″ Cable Zip Ties, and you zip a shopping cart to their car door handle.
That way you get the last laugh.
January 23, 2019 at 12:42 am in reply to: Refs also missed several calls that really hurt Rams #97138ZooeyModerator4 catches 36 yards— Mike Thomas
9 carries 31 yards — mark Ingram
8 carries 15 yards— Alvin Kamara
The refs decided the game though.
January 21, 2019 at 11:32 pm in reply to: Refs also missed several calls that really hurt Rams #97090ZooeyModeratorI dunno.
I don’t think many people care enough to cling to any narrative on the game one way or the other.
Outside of Saints and Rams fans, that is.
The rule re: challenging judgement calls may be changed as a result.
But I don’t think most fans are going to remember or care in two weeks, let alone two years.
ZooeyModeratorThat is funny.
ZooeyModerator“…a helluva football team going to Atlanta.”
See…
A lot of people see it.
That was good. That was a guy who sees beyond the highlight reel. Rich Eisen sees it.
And I still don’t care.
Because I see it. And I think devout fans HERE see it. And I don’t care about anyone else. They can think whatever they want.
I am looking forward to one helluva a Rams team going to Atlanta in two weeks.
ZooeyModeratorI hate to be a wet towel on the Super Bowl excitement, but I did not enjoy that game at all.
Okay, but…bear in mind…the Rams hung in there, on the road, in what is now perhaps the toughest stadium to play…against the season’s most balanced and most consistent team…and put themselves in a position to take advantage of opportunities to gut out a win.
While holding Ingraham/Kamara to 50 yards rushing.
Not all wins are pretty. But they are all wins.
ZooeyModeratorI’m not surprised that today was spent crying about that call. It was a mistake, and it happened at a crucial moment.
But my guess is that Phase Two of this conversation is going to belong to the Cooler Heads. I think we will hear more of the Colin Cowherd kind of perspective tomorrow.
A football team has 60 minutes to put away the other team. That’s the task. Put the other team away…so that no Variable can come into play, and change the outcome.
A Variable is one of those plays that can turn the tide that is not under control of the team. Things like a gust of wind, a fluke bounce, an injury, a bad call, a blown assignment, a drop, a time mismanagement, a deserved penalty…. Every team strives to put themselves in a position that they are far enough ahead that a Variable can’t affect the outcome.
Here’s the deal: The Saints had the advantage in the beginning of the game, and they failed to put a lock on the game. They had two red zone opportunities in the first quarter, and came away with 2 FG. They failed to score TDs. In any game, there are several Opportunity plays. Several situations in which a team has an Opportunity to force its will on the other team. The Saints came out on the short end of those Opportunity plays.
The Saints got out to a 13-0 lead. The Rams failed to get a first down in the first quarter. But after that point, the Rams won the game statistically. They kept Bashing On, Regardless.
The non-PI call was not the last play of the game. It did not determine the winner. On the very next play, in fact, the Saints kicked a field goal and took a 3-point lead with 1:40 to go. They were winning AFTER that play. They did not lose because of that play. They lost because of what happened AFTER that play.
The Rams took the kickoff, and drove down the field to get close enough for GZ to kick a 48-yard FG – with the season on the line, on the road – and he drilled it. Tie game.
THEN. The Saints won the toss and got the ball. Suh and Fowler collapsed the pocket, and Fowler got a hand on Brees, and his pass went up for grabs (a Variable), and JJ made the play.
THEN. The Rams got close enough for GZ to try an NFC record 57-yard FG on the road, with the season on the line – and he drilled it.
There were several Opportunities in this game, and the Rams won most of them. They won statistically. And they scored more points.
The Saints lost this game because – over 60 minutes – they came up short. Not on one play. The Rams won. The Saints lost. And I think intelligent sports fans will see that. To say that play cost the Saints the game is Cherry-Picking. It ignores the entire story.
I absolutely do not believe that the Rams were unworthy of that victory, or given a Gift. No asterisk.
As for the people who see it otherwise…enh…don’t care. Yeah, for some people, this will be the Blown PI game.
I don’t care. They are wrong, and I don’t care.
ZooeyModeratorHappy birthday, and thanks again for the forum.
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January 21, 2019 at 12:33 pm in reply to: Refs also missed several calls that really hurt Rams #97030ZooeyModeratorThat’s football.
It will always have an element of chance, an element of human error, an element of weird bounces, and weird weather, and whatever.
And if you watch football, sometimes you get the bitter taste of ashes in your mouth.
So it goes.
And, yeah, if it happened to the Rams that would be another mouthful of ashes. But I accept the possibility of that every time I sit down to watch the Rams play. That’s what’s at stake. I accept those terms.
Two weeks from now, I may have ashes in my mouth.
Or champagne.
I’m hoping for champagne.
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