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ZooeyModeratorI would characterize Trump as a buffoonish Reality TV star. Again and again and again. That’s easy because that is what he actually is. It trivializes him, and emphasizes his incapacity for the job.
I don’t think any leading Democrat will do that, though.
Why AREN’T there any Democrat strategists that have balls? Carville was the only one. The Reps have had a continuous stream of them.
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ZooeyModeratorRuiz looks like a guy selected at random from a crowd at a Monster Truck rally.
ZooeyModeratorI don’t have cable, let alone premium channels, so I’ve missed some good TV. The Wire. Sopranos. Deadwood. GOT. Oh, well.
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ZooeyModeratorI doubt you can enforce a court decision that’s on appeal Zooey. Otherwise, what would be the sense of the appeal. Normally attorneys can get a stay order pending appeal.
That’s the way I’ve always understood it, but if that is the case, why was the story framed to say the Democrats and Trump came to a compromise? It’s not a compromise if the Democrats have no leverage in the matter.
ZooeyModeratorWho are the Cardinals again?
I thought that was college ball. Stanford, maybe. Or Kentucky.
ZooeyModeratorits much like the Kobayashi Maru test. The only way to win it, is to not play by the rules. I would pray to Jesus and let the Lord Of Light decide who would survive the fire.
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vAnd what happens then is they ALL die, and you say, “God moves in mysterious ways,” and “He must have sent us this tragedy to test our Faith,” and so forth.
And you would suck as a human being, but you would get a lot of nice “Amens” from your similarly brainwashed companions.
ZooeyModeratorI actually meant to start a Board War on what the top 5 stories ARE, not a war about how they will play out.
I agree with everything you said, so…see?…no board war. No fun.
ZooeyModeratorThey better KNOW that Trump’s appeal is certain to be denied. I can see some sense in letting it go all the way legally if 1) they know they will win, and B) that they are going to get that decision sooner than later.
Then the strategy would make sense.
I will say that there is no way the Republicans would have let a Democrat off the hook like this if they had the opportunity to close the deal right now.
ZooeyModeratorYeah, I agree with that. And I think life does begin at conception.
But I just don’t think that’s a game-clinching argument like the right supposes it is. Nobody believes that a embryo is equivalent to a human. There’s a “thing” going around in a few different versions that makes this clear. Basically, it creates a situation where you have to make a choice between saving 1,000 frozen, fertilized embryos, or a 2-year old toddler. There’s a fire in the building and time to save only one or the other, or they are both on a train track and you are at the switch and have to decide which track the train goes down to inevitably kill whatever is in its path.
Nobody saves 1,000 embryos.
So deep down inside, everybody knows they aren’t equivalent.
That then leaves the decision at what point that equation changes. Obviously reasonable people can disagree about where that point is which then leaves us to the question of who makes that decision: the woman, or the government?
Here are a couple of interesting things I read on the ‘net. One is an argument that points out the moral hypocrisy of the anti-abortion position, and the second is a legal argument I find interesting.

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“Reasonable people can disagree about when a zygote becomes a ‘human life’ – that’s a philosophical question. However, regardless of whether or not one believes a fetus is ethically equivalent to an adult, it doesn’t obligate a mother to sacrifice her body autonomy for another, innocent or not.
“Body autonomy is a critical component of the right to privacy protected by the Constitution, as decided in Griswold v. Connecticut (1965), McFall v. Shimp (1978), and of course Roe v. Wade (1973). Consider a scenario where you are a perfect bone marrow match for a child with severe aplastic anemia; no other person on earth is a close enough match to save the child’s life, and the child will certainly die without a bone marrow transplant from you. If you decided that you did not want to donate your marrow to save the child, for whatever reason, the state cannot demand the use of any part of your body for something to which you do not consent. It doesn’t matter if the procedure required to complete the donation is trivial, or if the rationale for refusing is flimsy and arbitrary, or if the procedure is the only hope the child has to survive, or if the child is a genius or a saint or anything else – the decision to donate must be voluntary to be constitutional. This right is even extended to a person’s body after they die; if they did not voluntarily commit to donate their organs while alive, their organs cannot be harvested after death, regardless of how useless those organs are to the deceased or many lives they would save. That’s the law.
“Use of a woman’s uterus to save a life is no different from use of her bone marrow to save a life – it must be offered voluntarily. By all means, profess your belief that providing one’s uterus to save the child is morally just, and refusing is morally wrong. That is a defensible philosophical position, regardless of who agrees and who disagrees. But legally, it must be the woman’s choice to carry out the pregnancy. She may choose to carry the baby to term. She may choose not to. Either decision could be made for all the right reasons, all the wrong reasons, or anything in between. But it must be her choice, and protecting the right of body autonomy means the law is on her side. Supporting that precedent is what being pro-choice means.”
Adding the reference to the Supreme Court case upholding that police officers are not obligated to put themselves in harm’s way to save the life of another or to stop a crime in progress. Another example of body autonomy.
Warren v. District of Columbia (444 A.2d. 1, D.C. Ct. of Ap. 1981) is an oft-quoted District of Columbia Court of Appeals case that held that the police do not owe a specific duty to provide police services to citizens based on the public duty doctrine.”
ZooeyModeratorDonald Trump is really a loathsome, petty ass. It is just bizarre to me that so many people are willing to either overlook that, or deny it altogether.
For sure I never, never, ever again want to hear a comment from a Republican about how character matters. How is it possible that the GOP hasn’t completely imploded under the open depravity within the party?
I dunno how the $20 bill can be the thing that elicits that minor rant, but FFS…. There is only one reason to stop the release of the new $20 bill, and it is completely obvious what that reason is.
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Seahawks released veteran S Kam Chancellor and WR Doug Baldwin with failed physical designations. End of an era in Seattle.I guess this means we won’t see Cappy around here for a week or so, as he will be taking time to drink away his sorrow at the End of an Era in Seattle.
ZooeyModeratorMy daughter, on the way to school this morning, told me that she doesn’t expect to live past 30. That’s when the shit is hitting the fan, she said.
I said, no, that that’s the point at which the damage is inevitably going to create mass migration, unlivable hot spots on the planet, drought, famine, and so on. But that the planet wasn’t going to completely DIE in 12-15 years.
She’s pretty sure she’s dead.
Those are the conversations my kids and I have.
ZooeyModeratorOf course, as you well know, our entire society has been conditioned to believe that capitalism is the ultimate realization of economic systems, the way things “work naturally,” the system that best integrates with the way “people truly are.” We’re taught to believe that non-capitalist countries are backwards, and failures. And everybody here knows perfectly well that none of these assumptions are ever challenged in any serious way in the media, outside of sources that are greatly marginalized.
So great is this conditioning that – back to the OP with my brother – a huge portion of our population does not see any benefit they receive from social structures in our society. My brother lives in a semi-rural, upper class, designer development outside of town. The cost – per capita – of getting water, sewers, electricity, roads, and phones out to where he lives is crazy high compared to the much smaller per capita cost of hooking up a 10-story high rise apartment building in a city. These people complain about socialism because the only thing THEY see is the $1.50/month that goes to food stamps to somebody in a city. They don’t see the $100s of thousands of dollars that underwrote their privileged neighborhood.
ZooeyModeratorRight. To say nothing of the deleterious effects of capitalism. Not only homelessness, wage slavery, and so on, but lying to the public about side effects of this and that, and the promotion of greed as a higher value than compassion, and etc. etc.
ZooeyModeratorI forgot to mention the socialist firefighters who stopped the Camp Fire 1/4 mile from his house 6 months ago after it destroyed the entire town of Paradise.
ZooeyModeratorYeah, thanks, but I think you are generous to call it a “knack for discussing.” That wasn’t a “discussion.” It was me doing my Filet thing, whatever the hell THAT is.
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ZooeyModeratorAnybody else notice zn slipping in a little of his Pro-Seahawks agenda?
I am actually kind of concerned by Metcalf!
Enh. Just put Long on him.
ZooeyModeratorAnybody else notice zn slipping in a little of his Pro-Seahawks agenda?
We need to band together, and be vigilant about calling him out on this, or he could reach his goal of flipping this board to a Seahawks fan board.
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ZooeyModeratorYeah, he played an important role in exposing the fraudulent case for invasion.
I did not realize the backstory going back into the Clinton presidency. I knew Bill was bombing Iraq daily, but did not know they were trying to set up Iraq for invasion, too.
So I dunno if we would have avoided this war or not, if Gore had been elected. Kinda seems like it may very well have happened anyway.
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