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ZooeyModeratorWebb, Walter Prescott. “Ended: 400 Year Boom. Reflections on the Age of the Frontier.” Harper’s, October 1951.
So I have two classes of English 11 this term, and…long story short…my kids are actually a Control group for a study by California State University. CSU developed a curriculum that they would like to impose on high schools throughout the state, but their first step is to conduct a study to determine if they actually get “better results” with their curriculum as opposed to mine. (Not just Mine…the study is being conducted at multiple schools). So all the other English 11 teachers here are teaching CSU’s curriculum, and I am left to do whatever I want.
In the past, English 11 has been taught through the lens of “The American Dream.” What is it, and is it a “real” thing, etc.” I haven’t taught this course in ten years, probably, and I’m still not recovered from my weariness at the theme, and I’m playing around with something different. I’m kind of more interested in the American Character. Who are we, and why? Then read a bunch of documents, and stories, and speeches, and a novel or two, and a play, or two.
So I’ve been thinking about this. And here are some characteristics I think are dominant features of our culture…I’d love everyone on the board to chime in with their thoughts and/or suggestions.
A. Our tendency to violent solutions to problems
1. Mass shootings
2. Incessant wars
B. Constant stream of “enemies” (Commies, Terrorists, Mexicans), and always
living under a threat to security
C. Anti-government i.e. “freedom.”
D. Conspicuous consumption – belief in limitless resources
E. Belief in “hard work + wit = prosperity.”
F. SuperioritySo those are characteristics, imo, of the American personality. I’m happy to entertain other thoughts on this.
I attribute these characteristics to our unique history which I think is this: America was colonized by a lot of people who sought freedom from social and economic restrictions faced in Europe, and elsewhere. European social and economic structures were fairly rigid and static for centuries…until the discovery of vast land that was rich in resources, and basically “up for grabs” to anyone with the balls to head west into the unknown armed only with wits and guns.
I started watching “Godless” this week with my wife (it’s set in Colorado in the 1880s) and I noticed how every time people encounter strangers, they pull out their guns. Now…I don’t think this is just Hollywood. If you were living in the middle of nowhere, basically, and the nearest sheriff was a 15-minute horse ride away, and there are a variety of hostile and/or desperate humans around…I mean, the idea of NOT having multiple guns would be laughable, right?
So the first 300-400 years of our cultural history was dominated by a “kill or be killed” mentality out on the frontier. Webb makes the point – in the article I want – that “frontier” in Europe means the thin international boundary between countries. In America, the Frontier means vast, practically limitless space and resources that have to be mastered by the individual rather than the state. It’s a completely different way of looking at the world. So the history of the Frontier really accounts for A through E above.
Our sense of Superiority, I think, can be traced to the Puritans and their “City on the Hill” concept. Also our puritanical attitudes towards moral issues. The Puritans were the first successful colonists, and they were successful partly because of their strict internal discipline.
So now…here we are with all these Frontier attitudes…but no frontier anymore. All filled up. But we treat our resources as if there is always more just over the horizon, and we are vigilant in our search for enemies.
Anybody got any thoughts on that? Or stories/poems/novels/plays that would help bolster any of these themes?
ZooeyModeratorI doubt that the Rams will keep 12 WRs, or 4 QBs. So I’d look for some cuts to be made there before the season starts.
Just a friendly football tip.
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ZooeyModeratorKate Mitchell, from Facebook
In the El Paso shooting, the gunman drove 9 hours, purposely targeting that border town with an AK-47 in a Walmart hosting whole families on a tax-free, school-shopping weekend. We are being terrorized by our own from within.
But it is Antifa, who has killed exactly zero people ever, whom the GOP want to classify as Terrorists.
ZooeyModeratorThat’s how you make an argument. That was a good read.
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ZooeyModeratorPut them on the defensive for a change.
Yeah.
That seems obvious to me.
So obvious, in fact, that is raises the question, “Why AREN’T Democrats doing that?”
And the only answer that makes any sense, is this…
A goal scored against the GOP is a goal scored against their own benefactors.
That is the only explanation for why the Democrats behave the way they do. They kiss the same ring. Nothing else explains their behavior as well, and no other explanation is as simple.
ZooeyModeratorAnyway its not quite dark enough. Zooey, you are too light and optimistic about America.
No, sir.
I just still have the ability to block out everything in my head sometimes, and bash on, regardless.
ZooeyModeratorBut the democrats should be stating over and over that Trump is incompetent, a liar, and a disgrace for a sustained period before the election by conducting the impeachment hearings and having people testify and talk about how sleazy Trump is.
I agree with this completely.
But I think in order to win, the democrats have to do more than that. I think they have to sell an alternative vision…a vision of a future where everyone benefits from a boom in a green economy, a sustainable future, and cool Silicon Valley/Elon Musk shit. And contrast that with the GOP dystopia headed up by President Sleaze. (The “everyone benefits from a boom in the economy” part is the most important message, imo. More people obviously care about their income than the environment. But if the GND is sold primarily as an ECONOMIC stimulus, you’re going to get people on board).
Pick Your Future, America.
That’s what I’d do if I were heading the democrat party. But the democrats are terrible at messaging because to the core of their souls, they do not really care about the green new dream, or whatever it’s called, because THEY are on the take from the same “Looters and Polluters” as the GOP. As we all know.
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ZooeyModeratorIt’s evident that the Democrats are not impeaching because their political calculations conclude they shouldn’t. Trump has committed several infractions worthy of impeachment on their own, let alone the sheer weight of all of them bundled together. No president has deserved impeachment more than Trump.
Furthermore, while Pelosi wrings her hands that only 43% (or whatever) of people favor impeachment hearings, she must have been made aware – in the discussions of political calculus – that 43% in favor of impeachment proceedings is double the support that impeachment hearings had in the case of either Nixon or Clinton. Impeaching Trump is a downhill journey.
Of course, impeachment would die in the Senate. McConnell might not even let it come to the floor. (I dunno if he could stop it, but he seems to have one hell of a lot more power than I ever knew a single senator could have). So…yes…the outcome would certainly not result in Trump leaving office early under compulsion of the Senate.
It appears that the goal is to just keep banging away at this weary horse that nobody wants to actually cross the finish line, perhaps in hopes of maintaining that cloud of dust surrounding the administration. That seems pointless to me, maybe even counterproductive. There is a steady stream of material coming out of the administration anyway, and many of those issues are more important to the public anyway than the collusion with Russia. So I don’t know why they don’t just flat out let Mueller go.
Democrats just suck. There are all kinds of things they could run on, messages they could send, but they don’t do it. Not because they are afraid of alienating the public by going too far (with healthcare, for example), but because they are afraid of alienating their donors. I mean…everybody here knows that perfectly well.
I didn’t watch any of the hearings because there was never any chance of anything new being revealed, and the only thing that could come out of it – at best – would be one of those Viral moments…that would come to my attention anyway because…viral. But unsurprisingly, nothing happened.
ZooeyModeratorI think there has been decay in social etiquette, if that’s what you’re talking about. People no longer stand when guests enter a room, or remove their hats indoors. There is less…respect…for time and place. People are more brusque and salty generally.
Is that decay or just a change in what is considered normal social behavior? What is lost by not removing a hat indoors or not standing when someone enters a room?
I anticipated that argument, and thought carefully before I made my statement.
It is certainly true that there is nothing empirically “well-behaved” about removing one’s hat indoors, or…you know…making a better wardrobe effort than shorts, t-shirt, and flip flops when going to an upscale restaurant, or a Broadway show. Those are arbitrary markers of Respect, or Class, or Etiquette, or whatever, and have no merit in and of themselves.
I think, however, that those Pointless Conventions demonstrate an awareness of others, and a deference of Ego.
I mean…I think that unless you can show me that the Deference and Respect have been simply altered and assumed shape in some other sphere or behavior, I’m gonna stick with that. I think it reflects a trend towards selfishness, basically. We are now saying, as a culture, “I’m gonna be comfortable doing what I’m doing, and not stop to acknowledge our Common Space as worth respecting. You matter less than this arbitrary convention, and the fact is that I’m comfortable in this chair doing what I’m doing, and I don’t want to interrupt that just because you waltzed into the room. Etc.”
ZooeyModeratorYeah, there is probably something to the argument that impeachment would reassure many people that the system works when, in fact, it would accomplish nothing beyond symbolism.
ZooeyModeratorRight. And this is a self-perpetuating point of view, as Chomsky pointed out in MC. The entire fabric of our ideology sees neo-liberalism as Left Wing now.
Interesting commentary.
ZooeyModeratorYeah, I’m talking about the symbolism of it, but I think that has some value…in the Bash On, Regardless spirit of things.
I’m in a pretty dark place, too. I think we’ve passed the tipping point, and hell awaits us. But I can’t surrender to the darkness, and I can’t ignore it and party it up with the time that’s left.
All the world’s a stage, buddy, and men and women merely players. We have our entrances, and exits. And the final scene is always sans everything.
ZooeyModeratorI think there has been decay in social etiquette, if that’s what you’re talking about. People no longer stand when guests enter a room, or remove their hats indoors. There is less…respect…for time and place. People are more brusque and salty generally.
I think television in particular has led the way by making sassy kids and self-aggrandizing behavior funny and cool. People imitate the behaviors they see, and I think Hollywood has become our cultural teacher, rather than families.
I have no way of knowing how much erosion there has been. Your complaint is hardly a new one, and one can find examples of writers lamenting the same thing for centuries. But I tend to agree that basic manners have eroded somewhat.
July 20, 2019 at 8:31 pm in reply to: ZN: a request for info on the subject of "race" as social construct. #103095
ZooeyModeratorThe field you want is called Critical Race Theory.
Scholars important to the theory include Derrick Bell, Patricia Williams, Richard Delgado, Kimberlé Williams Crenshaw, Camara Phyllis Jones, and Mari Matsuda.
That’s a different thing. Allied but different.
It’s welcome too. But BT was specifically asking about the genetics, and that’s an entirely different group of people doing that.
Your documentary (which you graciously copied for me) does address the genetics (Race: The Power of an Illusion).
He asked about race as a social construct. He’s says at the top he already agrees that race doesn’t exist genetically or biologically.
ZooeyModeratorBut I agree with her about not trying to impeach him. With a Repugnant Senate, it would be pointless. It would fail. And we are now close to the election. Let the voters decide.
Here’s the thing, though. Impeaching him, even though it is hopeless to expect to remove him from office, draws a line.
If Trump can’t be impeached for what he’s done, wtf? We have just sat by and accepted, without formal complaint, the most corrupt administration in US history.
July 20, 2019 at 12:26 pm in reply to: ZN: a request for info on the subject of "race" as social construct. #103086
ZooeyModeratorThe field you want is called Critical Race Theory.
Scholars important to the theory include Derrick Bell, Patricia Williams, Richard Delgado, Kimberlé Williams Crenshaw, Camara Phyllis Jones, and Mari Matsuda.
Derrick Bell, Race, Racism and American Law, first published in 73, is now in its 6th edition. I’ve never read it. Bell is considered one of the originators of CRT.
I started reading a book called “How to be Less Stupid About Race” (or something similar to that), but I’ve been interrupted by multiple activities, and set it aside a couple of weeks ago. Based on the first half of it, I can only say I have learned nothing I didn’t already know. I’m gonna finish it, though, as I am looking for new material for the unit I teach on race.
We had a GIGANTIC thread on race a few years ago, but I think the board has been reset since then.
My central spine for the race unit is a documentary called Race: The Power of an Illusion. It’s 3 episodes long, about an hour each. It is well worth watching if you can find it. It’s probably on youtube. The first episode is on science…i.e. there is no such thing as race. The second episode focuses on how we got where we are today when race wasn’t a big deal even a few hundred years ago. The third episode is the one that shows how racial constructs have systemically fucked over people of color through public policies. That one is indispensable for understanding the present, including – really – the MAGA people.
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ZooeyModeratorOkay, well. That was an insightful and interesting commentary. But I don’t think he made any case for the left “winning.” He gave no reason why communities of strength will lose out to communities of vulnerability. All he really did was argue that COV are more honest than COS – and that rings True to me – but I heard no reason to believe that honesty will win out over self-delusion.
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