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znModeratorWhat I think is meaningless is the statistic of # of game winning drives, as a pure number or % frequency. Certain QBs are just presented with fewer opportunities to come from behind
Oh I agree on just the number. That’s not a valid comparative stat. If Goff has 8 and Wilson has 11, those numbers in themselves don’t tell you much.
In terms of percentage, yes that does tell you something. If Rodgers is in comeback situations 10 times and they only win 2, that very likely means he does not have the traits you value in that situation. Whereas if Wilson is in that situation 10 times and wins 7, that very likely means he does have the traits that are displayed in that situation.
However nobody does percentage of wins in that situation as a stat. So it’s hard to do a valid comparison. That would mean going through every qb’s gamelogs for a few years. And, no one is going to do that.
What we do when we hear about Goff’s comebacks is recall the situations. So for example winning on the road in New Orleans after coming back from 3 points down to tie in the final 15 seconds, and then to win in overtime…an ordinary game manager scrub can’t do that.
Same thing displayed in the comeback from a tie win against Tampa 2 weeks ago. So whatever he displayed in New Orleans is still there.
I like to think that knowing things like that can balance the discussion. Which is especially important when the qb lost a game that has everyone angry. My first impulse when everyone is angry at a player, is to drift to balance. Doesn’t mean the person drifting toward balance is right, but, I think it contributes to fuller discussion.
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znModeratorI think I see Goff’s problem. He’s trying to bounce off hurdles instead of jumping over them.
znModeratorPregame "hip thing" limited Rams CB Jalen Ramsey to 50 of 72 snaps vs. 49ers https://t.co/k3g5oqWHzL
— ProFootballTalk (@ProFootballTalk) December 1, 2020
znModeratorThat’s a thought that ought to inspire everyone, liberals most of all. Imagine slightly different circumstances, in which, say, a conservative governor of a red state had used pandemic concerns last summer to impose draconian limits on public protests,
Faulty logic. There is no evidence protests led to any surge in infections. They say that’s because they were outdoors in the open air and people kept moving and many participants wore masks.
What needs to be restricted is indoor gatherings with many people and not a lot of open air circulation with the outside.
And so no one DID try to restrict protests because of covid.
Meanwhile there are churches all over the country WERE covid super spreaders. Here’s a local example:
More than 40 coronavirus cases linked to Maine church that held fellowship rally
“Based on what we know right now, we expect the number of cases associated with this outbreak to increase, perhaps significantly,” the Maine CDC director said..
znModeratorAn interesting opinion article in the N.Y. Times on the recent decision by the U.S. Supreme Court to uphold religious right against pandemic restrictions in the State of New York.
Thank You, Justice Gorsuch
Liberals will one day cite and celebrate this defense of religious liberty.Bret Stephens
It may take a terrorist attack, a war or some other national emergency, but America will one day thank Justice Neil Gorsuch for his stirring words last week in Roman Catholic Diocese of Brooklyn v. Cuomo. “Government,” he wrote in a concurrence to the 5-4 majority opinion, “is not free to disregard the First Amendment in times of crisis.”
The case arises from restrictions Andrew Cuomo imposed by executive order in October that sharply limit attendance at houses of worship in zones designated by the New York governor as pandemic hot spots. In so-called orange zones, attendance is capped at 25 people; in red zones, at 10. That goes for churches and synagogues that can seat hundreds and that were already limiting attendance, barring singing, practicing social distancing and taking other precautions.
The Catholic diocese, along with Agudath Israel of America and affiliated entities, sued, arguing the restrictions amounted to religious discrimination. The crux of the matter was that businesses in orange and red zones, ranging from liquor stores to bike shops to acupuncturists, were subject to no such restrictions because the governor had deemed them “essential.”
“So, at least according to the governor, it may be unsafe to go to church, but it is always fine to pick up another bottle of wine, shop for a new bike or spend the afternoon exploring your distal points and meridians,” Gorsuch wrote. “Who knew public health would so perfectly align with secular convenience?”
The Supreme Court’s decision only temporarily prevents Cuomo from enforcing his executive order, pending a decision by a U.S. Court of Appeals. But it marks an important departure from similar cases earlier this year, when the court deferred to the judgment of governors for how best to handle the pandemic. It also rejects the view (argued by New York State) that Cuomo treats houses of worship in red zones more favorably than he does, say, movie theaters. The right to the free exercise of religion, even if subject to regulation, deserves greater deference than the right to attend your local cineplex.
What changed? Most obviously, the death of Ruth Bader Ginsburg and her replacement by Amy Coney Barrett.
But other factors clearly weighed on Gorsuch and the four other conservative justices who voted with him. (Chief Justice John Roberts dissented.) One was time. It was one thing for courts to defer to executive authority in the early days of the crisis. But how long can governors override fundamental rights? “Even if the Constitution has taken a holiday during this pandemic, it cannot become a sabbatical,” Gorsuch wrote.
Another was the game of Hot Zone Whac-a-Mole that Cuomo tried to play with the court as the case was working its way through the legal system, by switching the affected areas’ designations back to “yellow.” That was enough to persuade Roberts and other dissenters that they could leave well enough alone, at least for now. But, as Gorsuch noted, one also has to be modest about judicial modesty: “We may not shelter in place when the Constitution is under attack. Things never go well when we do.”
That’s a thought that ought to inspire everyone, liberals most of all. Imagine slightly different circumstances, in which, say, a conservative governor of a red state had used pandemic concerns last summer to impose draconian limits on public protests, and that he had done so using color-coded maps that focused on denser urban areas and that seemed to apply most restrictively to predominantly Black neighborhoods.
Now imagine this governor had, at the same time, loosened restrictions on large gatherings such as motorcycle rallies, business conventions and football games — on the grounds that these were essential to the economic well-being of the state. Any objections?
The point here isn’t that the interests of public safety and respect for executive authority must always and fully give way to the assertion of constitutional rights. They shouldn’t and don’t. Nor is the point that the behavior of religious communities during the pandemic has been beyond reproach, or beyond the reach of justifiable legal sanction. It hasn’t.
The point is there are no second-class rights — and the right to the free exercise of religion is every bit as important to the Constitution as the right to assemble peaceably, petition government for redress and speak and publish freely. That goes in circumstances both ordinary and extraordinary. As Justice Samuel Alito put it in a speech this month that caused some gnashing of teeth: “All sorts of things can be called an emergency or disaster of major proportions. Simply slapping on that label cannot provide the ground for abrogating our most fundamental rights.”
There is a perennial danger that rights denied or abridged during one emergency for one class of people will ultimately be denied during another emergency for another class. The reverse is also true. The victory for conservatives in last week’s ruling will be a victory for liberals somewhere down the road. The precedent set by the ruling, and the power of Gorsuch’s concurrence, will make the victory sweeter.
znModeratorAlso, on the Game Winning drive front I am not sure its a measurable/meaningful stat, because the context of does your team get behind in the first place is important.
Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in. 😎
Rich, I don’t agree with your take on close games and what the ability to win them means. Good teams play other good teams and many decisive games are close near the end. For example, the 99 GSOT Rams did not pull ahead in the championship game against Tampa until the Proehl TD in the last 4-something minutes, and the superbowl winning TD to Bruce came after the 2 minute warning. And the GSOT Rams set a record for scoring, so sometimes even a prolific offense ends up in a close game.
To be a qb in a team trying to finalize a win in a close game or to come from behind, the qb has to play effectively under time duress and more often than not with the wide-open expectation that they have to pass to win. If a qb is effective under those conditions it says a lot about him. If a team believes in the qb under those conditions it also says a lot about him.
And often it’s the case that the defense is allowing the other team to score so the game is close because the offense has to keep answering. So it matters that in the 2nd SF game in 2019, the Rams offense had to come from behind to tie the game late in the 4th (and then the defense blew the game on consecutive third and longs).
Just watching those games you saw a focused qb who was always capable of developing into something more in time.
I looked at GWD/comeback wins over the last 2 1/2 years, and Goff has 8 in those 46 games. But all the number of them does is tell you that he did them. You actually have to remember the games themselves to decide what qualities Goff demonstrated in those situations.
But the sheer number doesn’t matter as much, other than what it generally indicates about the qb IF that is you remember the specific games and what the qb did in them. As opposed to just the sheer number taken in itself, the real stat, which we don’t have, tells you the percentage of wins a qb has in that situation. But no one provides that stat. (For example, and this surprises a lot of people, Rodgers has not won a high percentage of close games in comeback situations.)
Either way the upshot is that I am still a Goff advocate in general and unless what happened Sunday is a trend over the next games, I will just say that all qbs have bad games in their 5th year, or at least I have not found any who didn’t.
I also don’t put all of last Sunday on Goff. For that matter I don’t put any of the 3 bad games in 2020 entirely on Goff. In all 3 cases, there was the eerie 2018 superbowl effect of watching the team be outcoached, or struggle against a defensive gameplan the playcalling couldn’t crack. But that doesn’t have me giving up on McVay, either. I think he too will develop when it comes to that.
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znModeratorznModeratorMike Sando@SandoNFL
The key to covering DK Metcalf is being Jalen Ramsey.znModeratorJourdan Rodrigue@JourdanRodrigue
Rams G Austin Corbett is on with us this afternoon. The indication is that there are two major themes stemming from this loss, throughout film study and virtual meetings: Accountability, and camaraderie.Gary Klein@LATimesklein
McVay: “Jared knows that I support him. Jared knows that our staff, our players our coaches are going to work as hard as we can to be able to respond and I think we all know he’s wired the right way to be able to handle it and move on as well.”J.B. Long@JB_Long
“A little bit of a hip thing” in warmups, is how Sean McVay described the reduced role for Rams corner Jalen Ramsey yesterday.Greg Beacham@gregbeacham
CB Darious Williams only played 50% of the Rams’ snaps vs SF due to rotational decisions, Sean McVay says, partly because Jalen Ramsey was a bit limited himself with his hip injury. McVay thinks David Long completed well in his 22 snaps.znModeratorDeebo Samuel trolls Aaron Donald after 49ers' win over Ramshttps://t.co/ZQpsU7w7nm
— Rams Wire (@TheRamsWire) December 1, 2020
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znModeratorThis what I was talking about. AD pushed in the back right in a refs face and nothing. Ref didn’t even think about touching his flag. 🙄 pic.twitter.com/WRIxaNl46U
— Twan (@younggothamjedi) November 29, 2020
znModeratorAfter watching the tape, I thought the SF defense really shrunk the field and sat on everything underneath. They never really felt threatened vertically. The Rams needed to hit some deep balls to loosen things up. pic.twitter.com/ZzbitGbvK8
— Daniel Jeremiah (@MoveTheSticks) November 30, 2020
znModeratorMcVay is a great coach but when someone has his number, he’s not good at having an effective countermove.
This hit me when the Bears shut the Rams down the same way the Patriots did in the Super Bowl. I couldn’t believe McVay hadn’t found an answer to that. And Miami did something similar this season, didn’t they?
IMO Miami was different. It was similar in the sense that a defensive scheme stymied the Rams and they didn’t seem to adjust to it. But the defenses in question were different. Seattle btw tried some of the Miami stuff and the Rams tore it up. So the issue IMO has to do with in-game tactics and adjustments. McVay seems tone deaf in-game in terms of changing the dynamics when his offense and/or qb are struggling. He doesn’t seem to shift out of what he’s doing and find something more effective. Compare that to Shanahan. The Rams defense adjusted in the 2nd half, and were taking it to them, but then Shanahan adjusted to the adjustment and was able to score twice on them late, taking the lead back–all with a back-up qb. McVay then had the same opportunity and couldn’t do anything with it.
znModeratorElvis
Shanahan is older than McVay, they know each other well and this seems to work in Shanahan’s favor.
McVay is a great coach but when someone has his number, he’s not good at having an effective countermove.
Anyway we’ve played some really good games this year and some pretty bad ones. The season is probably gonna continue like that.
You can’t write us off and you can’t pencil in any wins.
e that the LosznModeratorPFF ReFocused: San Francisco 49ers 23, Los Angeles Rams 20
https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-2020-week-12-pff-refocused-san-francisco-49ers-23-los-angeles-rams-20
With quarterback Jimmy Garoppolo and star tight end George Kittle out due to injuries, the San Francisco 49ers found a way to knock off the division-leading Los Angeles Rams for the second time this season, 23-20.
Both teams did their best to hand the other a victory, with the Rams throwing two interceptions and losing two fumbles and the 49ers owning an interception and two lost fumbles themselves.
STORY OF THE GAME
Nick Mullens started for the fifth time this season and struggled outside of play-action, completing just 62% of his passes for 5.3 yards per attempt with an interception and no TDs. Mullens connected on all six of his play-action attempts for 99 yards, which makes you wonder why head coach Kyle Shanahan did not lean on it more.
Raheem Mostert, fresh off of injured reserve, resumed his bell cow role, taking his 16 carries for 43 yards and touchdown. Jeff Wilson Jr. was also heavily involved, gaining 43 yards on 12 attempts. Neither back was exceptional and both fumbled once against the Rams’ strong front seven.
The offense revolved around second-year receiver Deebo Samuel, who saw a career-high 13 targets. He hauled in 11 receptions for 134 yards but was unable to reach the end zone. Samuel was absolutely electric — he forced seven missed tackles, and four of his catches went for 15-plus yards. The Rams as a team only forced six missed tackles and had two passing plays of 15-plus yards.
Richard Sherman saw his first live action since his Week 2 injury and did not disappoint. Jared Goff threw his way five times, but Sherman allowed just three to be caught for 49 yards while snatching an interception.
Speaking of Goff, it was an outing he will want to quickly forget. Like Mullens, he couldn’t find the end zone through the air and missed consistently on passes 10-plus yards downfield. On such throws, he completed just one of seven attempts for 30 scoreless yards and a costly interception.
Due to Goff’s struggles, only one receiver was able to reel in over 50 receiving yards. Robert Woods was his quarterback’s safety blanket, corralling seven passes for 80 yards, but he was only able to gain three first downs.
The ground game was similarly inefficient outside of second-round rookie running back Cam Akers, who had an impressive 61-yard scamper down to the goal line and eventually punched it in for a touchdown. He finished the bout with nine carries, 84 yards and the one score. Malcolm Brown handled only three rushing attempts for a measly 4 yards and lost a fumble, which resulted in Sean McVay sending him to the bench. Darrell Henderson was not stellar, either, carrying the ball 10 times for a paltry 19 yards.
Although both teams forfeited points off turnovers and could not keep drives going, the 49ers were able to improve to 5-6. The Rams are now 7-4 but have gone 3-4 outside of contests against the faltering NFC East.
ROOKIE WATCH
Outside of Akers, there were few rookies who took the field in this matchup. For the 49ers, fifth-round offensive lineman Colton McKivitz received his first start, and the lack of experience showed. He allowed two QB pressures and was being getting beaten by defenders on two more occasions when Mullens was able to release the football before they reached him.
First-round defensive tackle Javon Kinlaw fared much better, generating one pressure, nabbing three assisted tackles on seven snaps against the run and pulling down an interception that he took 27 yards to the house.
For the Rams, only safety Jordan Fuller saw significant snaps on either side of the ball. The 49ers made it a point to test him, throwing the ball five times into his coverage. He allowed four to be caught for 94 yards and four first downs. He missed two tackles but did grab a nice interception, saving the day from being completely awful.
znModeratorNotable PFF grades from the Rams loss to SF:
A.Donald 92.2+
J.Johnson 90.6*
D.Edwards 90.2^
S.Joseph-Day 88.8^
A.Blythe 77.7
T.Reeder 73.7*+5th game in the 90s this season
*season high
^career high pic.twitter.com/p4mP8jFykq— J.B. Long (@JB_Long) November 30, 2020
znModerator. I’d guess he would be better than Goff, but who knows?
Well good, here’s a chance for a completely NEW board war! 😉
IMO but…Bradford just never had the same degree of sheer qb talent Goff does.
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znModeratorznModeratorJared Goff was responsible for three of the Rams' four turnovers in a 23-20 loss to the 49ers. Goff now is tied for second, along with Kirk Cousins, for most turnovers this season with 14. Only Carson Wentz has more. https://t.co/KvJwPZ0Bkz
— Lindsey Thiry (@LindseyThiry) November 30, 2020
znModeratorunclesams
This game is on McVay. With 3 minutes and 11 seconds left in the game and you have the ball at your 25 yd line, he did some horrible play calling by not trying to work your way down the field and run the clock. Throwing a 30 yd pass on 3rd and 5 was just inexcusable. Several of these losses that we are racking up from sub par teams is basically on McVay by stupid play calling.
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znModeratorGoff the last four games: 6 interceptions, 4 fumbles. Just throwing that out there.
Last 4 includes a game they won when they couldn’t run and relied on passing 51 times against a top defense.
You’re my lifelong brother, H, but, counting just the negative doesn’t give the full picture.
It’s a real question as to whether the future is in the bad games or the good games or endless oscillation between the 2.
Though actually it’s 3 bad games out of 11 (since I don’t put the Bills loss on the offense). Not that even just 3 is acceptable.
But I’ve already responded in this thread too much. 😎
znModeratorznModerator“We can go on and on with all the farcical claims alleging interference in the 2020 election, but the proof is in the ballots. The recounts are consistent with the initial count,” says Krebs. “The American people should have 100% confidence in their vote.” https://t.co/SBqu3FlK6S pic.twitter.com/5ZMHcnLGYa
— 60 Minutes (@60Minutes) November 30, 2020
znModeratorQB IS SNEAKING WHEN O-LINE IS DROPPING IN PASS PRO
FIRE EVERYONE pic.twitter.com/633syvqRNr
— Warren Sharp (@SharpFootball) November 29, 2020
znModeratoryou were called out today in the Chat for womanly cowardice by somebody, and I think that tarnishes your opinion somewhat.
You are, sad to say, not in enough chats.
You don’t seem to realize that being called that in our chat room is a high compliment of the first order.
I blush when I hear it again.
All I can do in response is curtsey modestly, and giggle.
znModeratorLindsey Thiry@LindseyThiry
Jared Goff was responsible for three of the Rams’ four turnovers in a 23-20 loss to the 49ers. Goff now is tied for second, along with Kirk Cousins, for most turnovers this season with 14. Only Carson Wentz has more.Aaron Donald remains a favorite to win a third NFL Defensive Player of the Year.
Today: He tipped pass that was intercepted, forced a fumble that was returned for a TD and had a sack.
Donald leads NFL with 10 sacks, 40 QB pressures and is tied for first with 4 forced fumbles.
RAMS REPORT🗯@RamsNFLReport
I’ve been trying to find the words to express how I feel after this loss, but my mind just keeps coming back to this:I love the
@RamsNFL
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I love these players.
I love these coaches.
I love this team.This loss is a big blow, but it will not set us back.
znModeratorWe have different ideas of “will to victory.”
And I bet the qbs that regularly meet your definition are a very short list. I mean throughout the league and across time. Even Warner showed he wasn’t the same when he did not have a top OL, a hall of fame RB, and two hall of fame WRs. In Arizona he did have Fitz.
Meanwhile, it is significant, and not negligible, and part of the actual equation, that Goff has been an important part of several Rams wins that could not have happened without the passing game working at the end of close or tied games.
BTW I rank Goff higher than Bulger and I liked Bulger. There are things Goff can do that Bulger just couldn’t.
znModeratorJared Goff keeps making mistakes, and Sean McVay is calling him out
Jourdan Rodrigue
https://theathletic.com/2227446/2020/11/29/jared-goff-sean-mcvay-turnovers/
INGLEWOOD, Calif. — Sean McVay bubbled with rage at the podium Sunday after a 23-20 loss to San Francisco, the Rams’ first loss in their new stadium and their fourth consecutive loss to their division rivals from up the freeway.
It isn’t just that the Rams lost.
It’s how they lost.
The Rams turned the ball over four times. Quarterback Jared Goff was responsible for three, throwing his ninth and 10th interceptions of the year — a second straight game in which he’s thrown two picks — and coughing up a fumble, his seventh of the year and the fifth he has lost.
“Our quarterback has got to take better care of the football,” McVay practically spat, in what was perhaps his most blunt public criticism of one of his players — especially his franchise quarterback.
Maybe that’s because it wasn’t just the fact that Goff turned the ball over. It’s how he turned it over.
One interception went for an all-too-easy touchdown return on the second play of the second half, and gave the 49ers a 14-3 lead. Another, in the first quarter, went directly to veteran cornerback Richard Sherman, so naturally that it seemed Sherman — and not Robert Woods — was the intended receiver. The fumble happened in the second quarter when Goff elected to run with the ball, barreling into a defender instead of sliding down safely with the ball tucked to his chest.
“Too many times, we beat ourselves,” McVay said. “And we just have to play better. We’re not taking good enough care of the football and that’s something that has got to change. Otherwise, I’m going to continue to sit up here and say this week in and week out. It just can’t continue to happen.”
He already is doing that, though. “Week in and week out.” In his last four games, Goff has thrown six interceptions and lost four fumbles.
Even when Goff has played well in problematic phases this season, like in a comeback effort in Buffalo, or when executing extremely well against blitz pressure over the last two weeks, it’s hardly been a totally clean effort. Never has there been a moment this year to really unclench, because of the turnovers. Take last week at Tampa Bay: Goff’s play success rate against the blitz was 80 percent, nearly double what it was three weeks earlier in a catastrophic loss to Miami and its Cover-0 defense. Even so, Goff threw two interceptions.
It’s just not enough to perform well in some areas and come undone in others.
Goff knows it.
“At the end of the day, (the turnovers) need to be eliminated,” Goff said postgame, agreeing with McVay’s comments that he needs to take better care of the football. “I don’t think that there’s one thing that needs to stop. (I) just need to be smarter with the ball and (have) better decision-making. That’s part of my job.
“I may be good at other parts of the job right now, but that’s the main part. That’s something I need to be a lot better at.”
Sunday, the Rams reverted to what has become their pattern: Hand the game away multiple times on offense, then hope and pray that their defense can do something superhuman to save them.
The defense, led by All-Pro defensive tackle Aaron Donald, almost did it, too — and in stunning fashion.
Donald had a hand in wrecking several 49ers plays, including a batted ball in the first quarter that was intercepted by rookie safety Jordan Fuller (his third in two games). In the third quarter, Donald blew up a Raheem Mostert carry and stripped the ball. Cornerback Troy Hill scooped up the ball and ran it back for a touchdown — the first Rams touchdown of the day, which narrowed the 49ers’ lead to 17-13.
Donald sacked 49ers quarterback Nick Mullens for a loss of eight yards on the first play of the next series, which set up a three-and-out punt.
Even Aaron Donald’s extraordinary play couldn’t lift the Rams to victory. (Kirby Lee / USA Today)
The Rams then took a 20-17 lead early in the fourth quarter on a three-play, 68-yard drive, all of which came from rookie running back Cam Akers. On the next series, Rams defensive lineman Morgan Fox sacked Mullens for an 11-yard loss on third down, and the Rams got the ball back with almost 12 minutes left. The game was theirs to take.But the offense failed to put together a scoring drive — no, not even a field goal — on its final two series. Meanwhile, the 49ers kicked two field goals to ultimately tie the game, and then squeak away with the win. Robbie Gould hit the game-winning 42-yarder as time expired.
“Football is a game of momentum,” receiver Cooper Kupp said. “How well you can respond to the upswings, and also, how well you can respond to the downswings. There’s going to be that — regardless of whether it’s a turnover or a bad play, it happens in football. We have to do a better job of responding. I think there is a natural human element to feeling like you have to adjust your game plan (after a turnover), or do something different. We’re at our best when we’re able to play freely and do what we know we can. … We have to find ways to make that a week-in, week-out, day-in, day-out thing.
“It is tough, in the middle of games, when you’re trying to get something going and you just can’t quite get over that hump, to be able to try to find that energy and have someone be able to make a play for you. … We were able to do that for a little bit there at the end of the game, but it’s just way too late to have something like that, to get into that lull.”
A few pundits said the Rams could be a Super Bowl team after consecutive wins over Seattle and Tampa Bay, two of the toughest opponents they’ll face all year.
They won’t be if they can’t beat the teams they’re supposed to beat, including a 49ers team riddled with injuries and players on the COVID-19 list.
They won’t be if they keep making the same mistakes and expecting different results.
They won’t be if this offense opens up too many leaks and takes on too much water for the defense to frantically plug up. Donald and others on the Rams’ defense are extraordinary — even superhuman at times — but expecting them to save the day every time is not a sustainable model for success.
The Rams will not be a Super Bowl team if potential on either side of the ball is wasted by a few poor decisions … every … single … game. Kupp said the offense operates at its best as a function of the whole. It finds its rhythm when all players, including the quarterback, execute their specific roles at the same time — much as fingers fold into a fist before a swing.
Try punching something with that fist if one finger is sticking out the wrong way. The finger breaks, and the entire hand becomes useless.
So now, the Rams are playing a game of offensive whack-a-mole: Hammer out a problem, and a new one presents itself the next week. And the Rams are running out of time to exorcise this troubling facet of their identity.
McVay, speaking about the things he and Goff will work to fix, in hopes of cleaning up the turnovers, said: “It might be keeping two hands on the ball. It might be understanding that if someone is swarming around you, you can’t just throw it away when you don’t see where you’re going. Being able to trust your guys to be able to separate. Overall, any time you turn it over as many times as we did — as he did — it’s just got to be better. And he’s capable of it, but we’ve got to be able to get it done.”
McVay doesn’t ask Goff to execute outside of himself. For McVay’s offense to be successful — even explosive — his quarterback is only asked to be consistent.
Right now, it’s not about Goff’s potential ceiling. Instead, as the coach and quarterback continue their partnership through the crucial years of Goff’s long-term development, the two need to honestly ask themselves: What is Goff’s floor?
That’s where the fixes actually start.
znModeratorJourdan Rodrigue@JourdanRodrigue
Rams QB Jared Goff: It starts with me, and taking care of the ball…At the end of the day, (the turnovers) need to be eliminated.Jeff Simmons@realjeffsimmons
NFC West Math:-McVay owns Carroll
-Shanahan owns McVay
-Carroll has Shanahan’s number.None of this makes sense.
Stu Jackson@StuJRams
Rams DL Aaron Donald on his performance today (5 total tackles, 1 sack, 4 QB hits, 1 forced fumble, 1 pass breakup): “I just made plays when they presented (themselves).”Said he was playing the same as he has been in previous weeks.
NICK HAMILTON@NickHamiltonLA
Sean McVay was not pleased with Jared Goff’s performance: “Our quarterbacks have to take better care of the football.”Bob Condotta@bcondotta
49ers pull the upset. So, Seahawks back in first in NFC West at 7-3. Rams are 7-4. Cardinals 6-5. 49ers 5-6. Seattle golden opportunity to take over first all by itself tomorrow in Philly.Ryan Dyrud@RyanDyrudLAFB
Probably close to the most disappointed I’ve seen Coach McVay in a press conference -
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