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znModeratorThe @WashingtonNFL defense scores their second of the game. đȘ
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— Sunday Night Football (@SNFonNBC) December 13, 2020
znModeratorChase Young locking up that DROY
— PFF (@PFF) December 13, 2020
znModeratorRams Brothers@RamsBrothers
Eagles up 17-0 over the Saints. As we alluded to on the most recent podcast, the #1 seed in the NFC is still VERY much up for grabs.
znModeratorKenny Moore with the sticky handsđ±
— PFF (@PFF) December 13, 2020
znModeratorJALEN HURTS UNDER PRESSURE
ON 4TH DOWNđŻ
— PFF (@PFF) December 13, 2020
znModeratorWhy did PFF all of the sudden forget what @jalenramsey did to @dkm14? Feel like we see this tweet every week. Itâs legal, and weâve seen it work. https://t.co/7yToNYbFqc
— Rams Brothers (@RamsBrothers) December 13, 2020
znModeratorIt's the @Lions who strike first. #OnePride
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znModeratorDan Orlovsky@danorlovsky7
More impressed with the @MiamiDolphins today than I am @Chiefs. Iâm always impressed with KC. I know theyâre great. Theyâre head an shoulders above anyone else. But Mia was impressive and it was led by their young QB. Theyâre the really good team I thought they wereFrank Schwab@YahooSchwab
Pretty funny that the Lions open up the offense – which they should have done all season instead of slowing things down for Adrian Peterson – the moment Matt Patricia gets fired. What an all-time bad hire that was.
znModeratorfrom https://theramswire.usatoday.com/2020/12/13/rams-12-personnel-sean-mcvay-offense/
In the last two weeks, the Rams have actually used 12 personnel more than any other package. According to Next Gen Stats, the Rams have had one running back, two tight ends and two receivers on the field 59% of the time, which ranks highest in the NFL.
âI think itâs added another layer to our offense thatâs important,â McVay said last week. âThat was something that we wanted to be intentional about this offseason. I think Coach (Aaron) Kromer, our coaches and then it all goes back to the playersâ execution. Itâs big because when you play against some of these bigger defenses, where theyâve got some heavy edges, being able to have seven true bodies committed to the blocking surface gives you a little bit more versatility in what you can activate in the run game, as opposed to when youâre just in your three-receiver sets. For us, we want to make sure that weâre able to be as multiple as we can, kind of try to continue to try to apply pressure to the defense based on what theyâre giving us. The last two weeks has definitely been reflective of that and really a lot of credit to the players.â
znModeratorJourdan Rodrigue@JourdanRodrigue
The Rams say they have placed OLB Jachai Polite on the reserve/COVID list. Polite was waived but then re-signed last week to the practice squad.Vincent Bonsignore@VinnyBonsignore
Don’t look now but @RamsNFL @ABlythe63 is the sixth-ranked center in the @NFL per @PFF. Rams offensive line began getting turned around last year when he moved from guard to his natural position of center.How to rebuild an offensive line: Austin Corbett, who the @Rams stole from the @Browns for a 5th round pick last October, is @PFF 12th ranked guard. David Edwards, who the Rams picked in the 5th round in 2019, is the 19th ranked guard.
You can’t always throw big money and high draft picks at problems. Drafting and developing and finding value where others can’t see it (Blythe, who the Colts cut and Corbett, who the Browns gave up on) is as important as the “big” moves.
.@RamsNFL offensive line coach Aaron Kromer was front and center in the identification/development of all three players. One of the best in the @NFL
znModeratorI just sort of feel like if any of your ideas had merit, they would be re-tweeted by John Cleese. But Iâve never seen that happen with you, soâŠ.
Touche.
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December 12, 2020 at 3:23 pm in reply to: where they stand 3 games to go (starting w/ Eisen singing their praises) #125575
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znModeratorNFL Week 14 PFF ReFocused: Los Angeles Rams 24, New England Patriots 3
https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-2020-week-14-pff-refocused-los-angeles-rams-24-new-england-patriots-3
The Los Angeles Rams were finally able to enact their revenge on the New England Patriots, who held them to just 3 points in Super Bowl LIII. Aaron Donald and Co. gave the Cam Newton-led Patriots a taste of their own medicine, defeating them 24-3.
Jared Goff and the passing game did not have their best night, but it didn’t matter as rookie running back Cam Akers carried the offense to its division-leading ninth victory of the season.
STORY OF THE GAME
Although many players have come and gone for both sides since their Super Bowl bout two years ago, Sean McVay and the Rams were seeking retribution for their poor outing in the last matchup. Still, it was not the offense that led the team to the win, outside of Akersâ heroics.
It was the defense holding the Patriots to a single field goal on four red zone drives, manufacturing pressure on over 60% of dropbacks, and Kenny Young returning an interception 79 yards for six points.
Donald excelled in his usual fashion, this time generating five QB pressures â just two less than the entire Patriots defense. The Ramsâ defensive line forced six QB sacks â their second-most in a game this season â all of which came in the second half. Jalen Ramsey and Troy Hill were the stars of the secondary, combining for nine targets and allowing five to be caught for 26 yards, none of which gained a first down.
The Newton experiment is wearing out in New England, as he has now thrown for five touchdowns against 10 interceptions on the season. His rushing ability is undeniable, but with a lack of receiving prowess on the outside and Newtonâs shortage of elite accuracy, the Patriots offense has been uninspired, to say the least. Bill Belichick seems to agree, as he pulled Newton in favor of second-year QB Jarrett Stidham in the fourth quarter.
There is not much to write home about for the Rams offense. No receiver had more than 40 yards and Goff completed just 16 of 25 passes for 137 yards with a touchdown and an interception.
There really is only one player to recognize, and that is Akers. The rookie took his 29 carries for 171 yards, not only the most by a Rams running back this season, but the most by a rookie RB. McVay has often gone with the hot hand in 2020, but no back on the roster has received more than 21 carries in a game this season. This performance showcased just how much he believes in Akers heading into the playoffs.
ROOKIE WATCH
Outside of Akers, only safety Jordan Fuller saw more than 20 snaps for the Rams. The sixth-round rookie did not make much noise in the secondary, allowing both his targets to be caught for 20 yards and a first down. He did, however, net two tackles in the running game with one resulting in a defensive stop.
On the other side of the field, tackle Michael Onwenu, tight ends Dalton Keene and Devin Asiasi, safety Kyle Dugger and linebacker Anfernee Jennings saw significant playing time tonight. Onwenu struggled in pass protection, allowing three QB pressures â including a sack â and was beaten on a couple more occasions on 32 pass-blocking snaps. Despite seeing plenty of playing time between the two, Keene and Asiasi combined for just one target and no receptions.
Dugger did not need to do much in coverage, as he saw just one pass come his way, which wound up incomplete. But he was a force against the run, netting three total tackles, two defensive stops and one tackle for loss or no gain. Jennings was unable to make much of an impact in his time on the field, recording no significant stats.
znModeratorNFL Stats@NFL_Stats
Teams allowing lowest passer rating this season…Steelers – 70.7
Rams – 75.2
Dolphins – 76.7
Colts – 82.3
Saints – 83.3
Chiefs – 83.5
Washington – 85.1
Patriots – 85.6
Ravens – 87.4
Broncos – 87.5
znModerator69RamFan
My Recap After the Patsies GameâŠ
First off, letâs give big props to our OL/two TE set.
They out muscled the Pats DLâŠ
They played outstanding the whole game, except for a few false starts on Everett at the end.
But Iâm not going to let him go unnoticed; Everett was blocking his ass off.
Lined up in the backfield as a FB to lead the way through the holes to block into the second level and Akers did the restâŠ.
Now to our Skill players, no, Iâm not going to start with our RBs,,,, Iâm going to go to are WRs,,, they were also blocking their asses offâŠ
Now to our RBs⊠It was a group effort, but it was Akers night,,, he ran for 171yds to include the rest of our RB for a total of 186yds
As for Goff, I thought he played a decent game. Some nice passes to his receivers. His stats were 16/25 for 64% comp 137yds 1TD and 1 run TD 1 INT 74.9 QB passer rating.
His final number should have been better in yardage, comp percentages and QB passer rating, if not for the three drop passes by his receivers and the Refs made a bad call on that INT,,, the film shows that Woods caught the ball and he was down by contact and then the DB took the ball awayâŠ
But the Los Angels up above saw the Refs made a mistake, so they rewarded us with a pick six⊠đ đ đ
Talking about the pick six, it was a great play by both AD and YoungâŠ.. AD held the RB from getting into the position for a screen in which Young intercept the pass for a pick six.
The whole defense was playing excellent. With Six sacks and 7 TFL and 10 QB Hits
The whole team played unselfishâŠ
ST played ok, and I think we found a Kicker for good even though he kicked one OB during the KO.
Now to Coach McVay,,,
He called an outstanding game, he out smarted Bellicheat
The game against AZ, he used a heavy dose of the 12PG but was using Goff in the passing game out of that scheme/formations.
But against the Pats, he use a very heavy dose of 12PG but using as a run gameâŠ
He use the 12PG on 43 plays compared to 18 play with the 11PGâŠ
He has never done that before during his time with the RAMsâŠ
What I liked about this team, they seemed to play unselfish, they cheer for each other success.
Its not just the main players that are getting success, it seems like every week, its someone new that makes a big play or is playing outstandingâŠ
This season, I never got a chance to watch and evaluate the team in camp because of covid.
Before the season started, I had my prediction as the RAMs coming in at 10-6.
Then after the first game against the Cowgirls I raised it up to 12 – 4 record…Well they need to win the next three for my prediction to come true.
This was a great win, and next victim coming to town are the JetsâŠ
znModeratorprobably very slight differences in how much goff gets bothered by pressure.
I’m just wondering how much of that is situational.
Because the idea some have (or that I’ve seen some say) that he is always bothered by pressure, just does not hold up.
I mean we know he’s not GREAT but he is not always bothered by pressure. And you’re right, once we both say that much, then it’s probably micro-differences on the degree to which he is or is not bothered by it.
In fact this year he improved against the blitz–it is getting to the point where you don’t want to blitz the Rams offense.
znModeratoraeneas1
reeder – both young and reader had great games, the first clip in this series shows both guys hustling to the flat on newton’s first pass of the game to make the tackle:
znModeratorStu Jackson@StuJRams
Tonightâs victory clinched the Ramsâ fourth-straight season with a winning record under Sean McVay.goff too.
whoâs the last head coach to do that for the rams?
whoâs the last quarterback?
Rams had 4 winning seasons in a row from 83-86. Coach, Robinson; qbs, Ferragamo, Kemp, Brock, and Everett.
So it’s since 86 or 34 years ago.
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znModeratorDeadpool
I liked the Akers pick. He had nothing at Free Shoes U. No OL, no Qb, no anything. It was him gameplanned against week in and week out, he didn’t quit, complain or half-ass it. He flat out worked and dominated. He would have been a 1st rounder for Alabama or OSU or Oklahoma. (That’s a fact if facts were things I couldn’t prove to be facts.)
Akers has bellcow size and elite wiggle with HR speed. Not many RBs can claim they have all 3…And he has vision and patience.
And he can thread the needle. He had to at FSU otherwise he was going nowhere. It’s impressive for a thicker back like Akers to get small.
znModeratorBruceB@pboss100
With Reeder playing so well lately, will Kiser get his job back when he comes back from injury? PFF Rating: Reeder- 69 Kiser- 39==
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Troy Reeder
Honestly, the last 2 games, it looks like the light has come on, full strength. He has decent athleticism.. but looked slow a lot because he was lost, imo. Now? Seems he knows what/where he’s supposed to be.. .and is getting it done, often in violent fashion. He’s made more impact in the last two games than I can remember Kiser making… and I’m probably a Kiser apologist. Reeder’s PFF grade, fwiw, is much, much better than Kiser. I don’t know if it’s just a matchup thing with the last two teams they took on… or if it’s more than that. But.. wow… good job
I did not think Reeder had this high a level of NFL performance in him.
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Troy Reeder had a 80.4 PFF grade. His career high. This guy is improving from game to game and deserves more credit. Keep on fighting @troyreeder9 đȘđ„đ€ https://t.co/lBu401U84f— Henry Bear (@HenryBearT) December 11, 2020
znModeratoraeneas1
goff currently ranks 2nd in the league in 3rd down pass attempts completed for a first down (46.6%), second only to mahomes, ahead of rodgers at #3.
znModeratorNewtonâs performance, Harry trending upward, rare O-line struggles across the board, off night for Simon and Winovich, Gilmoreâs latest shutout, Bryantâs big play, Uche surging annnnnnnnnd MORE here in the breakdown https://t.co/68nntDjCcl
— Jeff Howe (@jeffphowe) December 12, 2020
znModeratorI have a theory (which I can get to if it interests anyone) as to what it is that triggers this achilles heel when it happens (like in the Miami and SF games this year) but it is not due to pressure alone. There are other factors besides just pressure. If you donât have those other factors (like in the recent Arizona game), the bad stuff doesnât happen.
well what is your theory?
Well bear in mind what I said about the numbers. Rams have faced 5 of the top 10 pressure percentage defenses this year and won all 5. Goff looked decent to very good in all of them. And in addition to that, according to PRF numbers Arizona pressured him the 4th most times (16) of any games from 2018 on. So they are facing pressure. They handle it better this year with a relatively healthy, good OL than they did in 2019 with a problem OL, but that’s just to be expected.
So the issue is not pressure alone.
The games like Miami and SF this year, and Chicago in 2018, combines other things WITH pressure.
1. a top secondary that slows the passing game (it is never just pressure, it’s pressure plus facing a top secondary)…this is especially true if the secondary is slowing Goff down and getting him out of rhythm
2. no running game–either cause of the RB or the other team defends it, or McVay refuses for some inexplicable reason to run the ball (like Miami this year)
3. McVay does not adjust in-game to the defense he is facing and struggles with in-game instincts and adjustments (like the infamous 6-1 D front issue). McVay adjusts to tough defensive gameplans between games, not IN games. So for example he couldn’t crack the Patz D in the superbowl but he did the next time he played them.
4. also, pressureThe complete collapse games we have seen from Goff have all those features, it is never just one of them–and it is absolutely not just pressure. For example, Tampa is top 10 in pressure percentage on defense. Rams could not run the ball against them. They had to throw to win. In fact they threw 51 times. But it was not one of the infamous Goff meltdown games.
znModeratorRams held Patriots to worst offensive game ever under Belichick, according to this stat https://t.co/R6gjJcPtjB
— Rams Wire (@TheRamsWire) December 12, 2020
znModeratorCanât get enough. Check out Troy Reeder destroying the pats FB đł âŠ@troyreeder9â© pic.twitter.com/MX30CrZosJ
— RAMZILLA (@elitster) December 12, 2020
znModeratorhis effectiveness can drop significantly under constant pressure.
And that’s what’s proving to be exaggerated, or at least over-stated.
This year the Rams played 5 teams that are top 10 in defensive pressure percentage. Ranked in order of how much pressure they bring, it’s the Patz (2nd), Tampa (4th), Giants (6th), Eagles (7th), and Cards (8th).
Rams won all 5 games and Goff had good to great numbers in all of them.
The most he has been pressured in a game since the end of Sept 2019 was the recent Arizona game (16 pressures). The Patz had 7 pressures. He did well in both games (which the numbers back). I pointed to plays in the highlights vid against NE where he keeps doing what a strict pocket passer like him has to do against the rush.
No one said he was Marino BUT yes, the more negative take is not really holding up. Like the Arizona game. The MOST Goff has been pressured in any games since 2018 are the 2018 Green Bay game (20 pressures), the 2018 Chiefs game (21), the 2019 Tampa game (20) and the 2020 Arizona game (16).
The other stats some other stat-head dug up is that the negative plays–strip sacks, fumbles–come in bunches in a handful of games (that’s career). This year it was 2 games. There are always a handful of games like that but it doesn’t bleed over into the majority of games. So this year it’s 2 out of 13.
I have a theory (which I can get to if it interests anyone) as to what it is that triggers this achilles heel when it happens (like in the Miami and SF games this year) but it is not due to pressure alone. There are other factors besides just pressure. If you don’t have those other factors (like in the recent Arizona game), the bad stuff doesn’t happen.
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znModeratorBut, people get these impressions, and the plays from each game that I point to apparently just donât count.
no. they do count. but they have to be taken into a larger context.
if he only demonstrates it one out of ten times. and iâm not saying thatâs the case with goff. iâm just saying hypothetically. then thatâs not good.
or if he is demonstrates it 5 out of 10 times. and the average nfl qb demonstrates it 7 out of 10 times, then thatâs not very good.
i donât know. now iâm curious to see how he compares to all nfl qbs in that category.
The context is this (a stat-head on a different board explored this). Goff strip sacks and fumbles happen in bunches. This year it’s 2 games. This goes all the way back to 2017.
I don’t have comparative numbers. But the reason I keep saying people magnify this is because they expect it all the time BUT historically it happens in discrete bunches (this year 2 games).
If he has the ability to sense the rush and bail on it, which he has shown (like I demonstrated with the highlights vid from the Patz game), then, he has that ability. Just watching him I don’t expect Wilson but I also don’t expect those “massive bad plays in 2 games” syndrome to repeat, either.
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znModerator. Seems like Goff is âsurprisedâ more than the elite-QBs. But i dunno.
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vAgree, 1000%
Well if this a debate about whether Goff is “elite,” I dunno man, who is arguing that he IS? I don’t think anyone argues that. He’s not Brady, Wilson, Rodgers, Mahomes, and no one ever argues that he is. But there are a lot of tiers after that one before you get to “just average.” He’s not Warner. But he’s better than Ferragamo, Bulger, and Everett, all of whom were in on their share of Rams winning games.
I say he’s a top 12-10 qb and maybe a bit higher.
In terms of being surprised by the rush? Does that happen more often than most? I would say not–and I even posted a vid (which no one is looking at) that shows him handling the rush. Like literally escaping rushers either to make a throw or run for some yards.
I think the truth is that some people REMEMBER the bad plays harder, so to speak.đ And then don’t look at the vid showing the good plays. đ
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znModeratorfor me itâs not enough to just point to plays where he does demonstrate pocket awareness. it has to be compared to his peers.
I don’t think that’s significant at all, frankly. I mean either he can handle pressure or the rush or he can’t. To me it doesn’t matter who does it better or who isn’t as good.
There’s this myth that he is always bad in the pocket.
And–he’s not. I can show plays from each game that demonstrates that.
But, people get these impressions, and the plays from each game that I point to apparently just don’t count. đ
Arizona pressured him 16 times. That’s the most he has been pressured for more than a year. He did fine in that game. We don’t have the numbers on the Patz game yet (PFR does them). But as I said the Patz are 2nd in the league in pressure percentage. He played well in both games. For a 9-4 team leading its division.
znModerator"We were out-coached, out-played, out-everything really." pic.twitter.com/zxk72dR5NI
— Ben Volin (@BenVolin) December 11, 2020
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